[16:45] <pleia2> good morning
[16:47] <pleia2> running downstairs to grab some coffee before the sprint :)
[16:56] <knome> oh
[16:56] <knome> the sprint
[16:56] <knome> hahah
[16:56] <knome> well
[16:56] <Sysi> so you're drunk?
[16:56] <knome> looks like i came home the right time ;)
[16:56] <knome> Sysi, ehh, no?
[16:56] <knome> just forgot that
[16:56] <knome> are saying i'm an alcoholic?
[16:57] <Sysi> possibly.
[16:57] <knome> based on what?
[16:57] <Sysi> saturday
[16:57] <knome> :P
[16:57] <knome> saturday makes people alcoholics?
[16:58] <Sysi> possibly
[17:02] <pleia2> hehe
[17:03] <pleia2> ok, sprint time!
[17:03] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Sprint
[17:04] <pleia2> beardygnome worked on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Drafts
[17:05] <pleia2> it's ideas for the about page, would be nice to get it into a more refined form within the next week
[17:06] <knome> i can look at that shortly
[17:07] <pleia2> knome: when you're ready, I just want to quickly go through the items under "To do" before content review
[17:08] <knome> i partly need to focus on something else, but i'm ready :)
[17:09] <pleia2> pl
[17:09] <pleia2> ok
[17:09] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website
[17:10] <pleia2> so... under "Footer" "Replace "Xubuntu links" with "Useful pages""
[17:10] <pleia2> do you mean wording or actually adding links that are useful? :)
[17:10] <knome> heheh, yeah
[17:10] <knome> links that are useful
[17:11] <knome> the wiki links etc can be under the developer tools page
[17:11]  * pleia2 nods
[17:12] <pleia2> I kind of like having the mailing list links in the footer
[17:13] <knome> hmm
[17:13] <knome> http://wp.xubuntu.org/developertools/
[17:13] <knome> i'm really going to build a easy-to-use page of that
[17:13] <knome> we could probably link to xubuntu-users in the footer
[17:13] <knome> with "Mailing list for support" or so
[17:14] <pleia2> what other links are useful?
[17:14] <knome> link to developer tools
[17:15] <knome> link to sitemap
[17:15] <pleia2> faq?
[17:15] <knome> mmh, that too
[17:16] <GridCube> :)
[17:16] <GridCube> sup
[17:16] <madnick> hi, i will join in a second
[17:16] <pleia2> ok, so let's go with these
[17:17] <pleia2> Support Mailing List, Developer Tools, FAQ, Site Map
[17:17] <knome> yeah
[17:17] <knome> sounds good
[17:17] <pleia2> next on our To do list: "Fix articles archive"
[17:18] <pleia2> we want to make the articles stubs instead of full, is that a trivial enough theme thing?
[17:18] <knome> that's min!
[17:18] <knome> *mine
[17:18] <knome> yeah, that's trivial
[17:18] <knome> i need to create archive.php
[17:18] <pleia2> ok cool, that's sorted
[17:18]  * pleia2 nods
[17:18] <pleia2> Next... "Think of a good way to present the different mirrors"
[17:18] <knome> mmh
[17:18] <pleia2> GridCube: hi! :)
[17:18] <knome> i'd really want the markup to be clean
[17:19] <pleia2> how do we feel about how the Natty ones are displayed currently? unclean?
[17:19] <pleia2> (btw, I will fix to reflect Oneiric today)
[17:19] <knome> they are too scattered imo
[17:22] <pleia2> any thoughts?
[17:22] <pleia2> we should put it in a TABLE!
[17:22] <knome> maybe.
[17:22] <pleia2> hah
[17:22] <knome> with full urls
[17:22] <pleia2> visible to visitor urls?
[17:22] <knome> two columns, country and url
[17:22] <knome> yeah.
[17:22] <knome> why not?
[17:23] <pleia2> that seems reasonable
[17:23] <knome> that would justify using a table
[17:23] <knome> ;]
[17:23] <pleia2> hehe
[17:23] <knome> and the markup would be rather clean
[17:23] <pleia2> works for me
[17:23] <knome> and easy to remove/add items
[17:23] <pleia2> yeah
[17:23] <pleia2> ok, I can write that in a bit, then you can clean it up later :)
[17:23] <knome> sure
[17:23] <knome> sounds good
[17:24] <pleia2> great, that's the whole To do list, now we're on the page content review :)
[17:24] <knome> hehe
[17:24] <pleia2> as for home/ you sent a mail to the list with a mockup...
[17:24] <pleia2> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_sprint/website-changes-20111130.png
[17:24] <knome> yeah
[17:25] <pleia2> how well does that shrink on smaller screens? (think netbooks, phones)
[17:25] <knome> the top part: as badly as before
[17:25] <knome> bottom part: that will shrink better, as each column can be on-top-of-each-other
[17:26] <knome> phones *should* use the mobile/handheld stylesheet, which ain't done yet though
[17:26] <pleia2> hm, how can you read it if they are on top of each other/
[17:26] <pleia2> ?
[17:26] <knome> lol
[17:26] <knome> not in the 3d sense
[17:26] <pleia2> I guess I'm just unconvinced about the 3 columns :)
[17:27] <knome> Latest news
[17:27] <knome> blbalbalblablaala
[17:27] <knome> Second column
[17:27] <knome> blablablalbabla
[17:27] <knome> Important links
[17:27] <knome> lbalbalbalbablabl
[17:27] <pleia2> oh I see
[17:27] <knome> ^ like that
[17:27] <knome> on-top-of-each-other
[17:27] <knome> ;)
[17:27] <pleia2> that's great then
[17:27] <pleia2> oh! I forgot one part about the footer - can we get rid of all the Meta stuff?
[17:27] <knome> sure.
[17:28] <pleia2> maybe put Entries RSS somewhere useful, but everything else is bad
[17:28] <knome> well
[17:28] <knome> that way we could have both xubuntu links and useful links
[17:28] <knome> not sure how much sense that makes
[17:28] <pleia2> I think just useful links is good
[17:28] <knome> maybe do "useful links" and "mailing lists"
[17:28] <pleia2> I say just delete meta and have a less crowded footer
[17:28] <knome> mmh
[17:29] <pleia2> the lox slid off my bagel
[17:29] <pleia2> messy breakfast
[17:29] <knome> lox?
[17:29] <pleia2> smoked salmon
[17:30] <knome> hmm
[17:30] <knome> right
[17:30] <pleia2> we can think about this footer thing later
[17:30] <pleia2> I'm happy with the new design :)
[17:30] <knome> lax (in swedish) == salmon (in finnish; lohi)
[17:31] <pleia2> ah :)
[17:32] <pleia2> oh, what will actually be in the Second column on the front page?
[17:33] <knome> no idea. but i was thinking of putting pages not otherwise linked
[17:33] <knome> maybe something like the useful links.
[17:33] <knome> but more links
[17:34] <pleia2> ok
[17:34] <pleia2> the about page will have to be discussed later, since it's complicated and we need to review it further
[17:35] <knome> mmh
[17:35] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/tour/
[17:35] <pleia2> seem ok still?
[17:35] <knome> pretty good
[17:35] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/help/
[17:35] <knome> i might need to remove the bottom border on hover for images within a link
[17:36] <knome> or actually
[17:36] <baizon> nice look :)
[17:36] <knome> we need to remove the links from the images
[17:36] <pleia2> ah, those end up as clickable links
[17:36] <pleia2> yeah
[17:36] <baizon> well done
[17:36] <knome> yeah, you need to specify "no link" when adding to post
[17:36] <pleia2> thanks baizon 
[17:36] <pleia2> ok, let me log in here and see...
[17:37] <knome> sorry for still partly having to focus on something else :/
[17:37] <madnick> I wonder something
[17:37] <madnick> How come this does this:
[17:37] <madnick> http://wp.xubuntu.org/fgdfdfsdfsdfsdf
[17:37] <pleia2> ok, removed links
[17:38] <knome> madnick, not-found links apparently show the archive.
[17:38] <madnick> yup
[17:38] <madnick> but thats not optimal :P
[17:38] <knome> o'rly
[17:38] <knome> :P
[17:40] <pleia2> ok, fixed clickable images on /help too
[17:41] <pleia2> I think /help is ok, I added the link to the FAQ last sprint time
[17:41] <knome> mm-hmm
[17:41] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/press/
[17:41] <ochosi> sorry i can't join your website-sprint today/now
[17:41] <pleia2> I think we just need to add links for 11.10, I'll grep through my logs, I post reviews in here pretty often
[17:42] <ochosi> have a nice evening though!
[17:42] <ochosi> ->
[17:42] <pleia2> thanks anyway ochosi, have a good one :)
[17:42] <pleia2> hm, actually, this page could use some love
[17:42] <knome> all you need is love
[17:43] <knome> pappadapaapaa
[17:43] <pleia2> :)
[17:43] <pleia2> I'll update it in the format it's in and we can discuss this one further later
[17:43] <knome> mm
[17:45] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/contribute/
[17:45] <knome> hmm.
[17:46] <knome> i think we should rethink the images at the top
[17:46] <pleia2> yeah
[17:46] <knome> and probably the teams too
[17:46]  * pleia2 nods
[17:46] <pleia2> our wiki pretty well outlines the teams in the menu
[17:47] <pleia2> we are sort of duplicating wiki content on the site, not quite sure how to reconcile this yet
[17:48] <knome> mmh
[17:48] <knome> maybe try to cut down the website content
[17:48] <pleia2> wiki should probably be more ideas driven and detailed, and we link to wiki from the website
[17:48] <pleia2> yeah, so website has a quick overview to get people interested, they go to wiki for more
[17:49] <knome> yep
[17:49] <knome> wiki is also more easily editable
[17:49] <knome> at least for the developer community as whole
[17:49]  * pleia2 nods
[17:50] <pleia2> ok, so in the next week I'll go through the contribute/* pages and make some drafts, and suggestions as to what should move to the wiki (it looks like there is some valuable stuff on the site which isn't on the wiki)
[17:50] <knome> yeah
[17:50] <knome> sounds good :)
[17:50] <pleia2> last one! http://wp.xubuntu.org/developertools/
[17:51] <pleia2> add mailing list to this, any other thoughts?
[17:51] <knome> well that definitely needs some love
[17:51] <knome> maybe send a mail to mailing list to get ideas
[17:51] <knome> what is it what people need the most
[17:51] <knome> what would they like to see there
[17:51] <pleia2> ok
[17:52] <GridCube> i guess
[17:52] <pleia2> the one last thing I had is that we still have empty "Quick Links" on the right hand side of each page
[17:52] <GridCube> that there should be links to current xubuntu projects
[17:52] <GridCube> in the developer tols
[17:52] <knome> pleia2, yeah. i'm going to add the important links as well as the useful links there
[17:52] <GridCube> like to shimmer and stuff like that
[17:53] <knome> pleia2, do you think we want the newest articles there too?
[17:53] <pleia2> GridCube: ah! upstream
[17:53] <pleia2> knome: yeah, maybe
[17:54] <GridCube> something like; "Current Xubuntu Projects" > shimmer, madnick's lightdm API, some other thing
[17:54] <pleia2> xfce :)
[17:54] <GridCube> :P xfce
[17:54] <pleia2> maybe "Related Projects"
[17:54] <knome> yeah
[17:55] <knome> that's where shimmer belongs too
[17:55] <knome> as it's not a xubuntu project
[17:55] <GridCube> okay :)
[17:57] <pleia2> ok, added shimmer and xfce
[17:57] <pleia2> under a related projects heading
[17:57] <pleia2> hey vinnl :)
[17:58] <vinnl> Hey :)
[17:58] <pleia2> I'm about ready to wrap up, anyone have further thoughts?
[17:58] <pleia2> I'll email the list with our new To Do list :)
[17:59] <knome> not at this time
[17:59] <knome> thanks for going through it
[17:59] <pleia2> thanks knome, madnick and GridCube :)
[18:00] <madnick> :)
[18:00] <GridCube> :)
[18:05] <knome> i don't understand why imagemagick montage creates bigger images than specified in -geometry
[18:06] <knome> or i do, because that's the *tile* size, but the tile is bigger than that