[02:12] <insin> Hi, I recently installed 11.10 - my first real go at linux. I just logged out for the first time and when I log in, it flashes up the usual "Starting... Checking battery state" stuff then dumps me back to the login screen. The last thing I was doing before logging out was playing with setting PS1 in my profile by loading another script. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[02:12] <insin> I'm unable to login as root (was never prompted to set up a password for it - d'oh) and it seems like the guest account isn't allowed to use sudo
[02:14] <ToZ> https://github.com/andrzej-r/xfce4-panel/wiki/quit
[03:58] <stahlfaust> hi, just installed xubuntu, but cant use 1024x800 resolution... i have a sis mirage3 card, and i googled it but it only seems to be a way on unity... HELP!!
[04:09] <bazhang> unity on xubuntu ?
[04:23] <Mp5shooter> I don't think so bazhang
[04:23] <bazhang> Mp5shooter, exactly. stahlfast was asking about that though
[08:39] <shevek_> I just had to add the --laf option to netbeans to get gtk look and feel. It doesn't honour swing.properties, or use gtk by default.
[08:39] <shevek_> Is there any way to make it by default?
[08:56] <Sysi> shevek_: you could cp /usr/share/applications/netbeans.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/ and mousepad ~/.local/share/applications/netbeans.desktop
[08:56] <Sysi> edit exec-line to be what you need
[08:56] <Sysi> chech that file and folder names are correct and exist
[09:13] <shevek_> Sysi, I'm more concerned that a java app didn't honour swing.propreties. I know I can do it for any individual app.
[09:13] <shevek_> let me try some other apps, maybe nb is special
[09:14] <shevek_> Also, if you're familiar with thunderbird, is it treating my "sent-mail" folder magically, since it doesn't appear in the folder tree?
[09:15] <shevek_> google has at least one screenshot with a visible 'sent-mail' folder in thunderbird... but mine shows in evolution but not thunderbird.
[09:16] <shevek_> Actually, tbird isn't showing about 3 of my folder hierarchies, it's not just 'sent-mail' that's missing.
[09:16] <shevek_> I'll wait, maybe they'll appear.
[09:22] <Sysi> I don't really know about java apps or thunderbird
[09:29] <shevek_> I worked out the tbird thing. Just had to wave a chicken over it
[09:29] <shevek_> ha. That's better
[09:29] <shevek_> shevek received 30279 new messages, it says
[09:31] <shevek_> the editing the .desktop thing doesn't work because I still think it's 1994 and run everything from an xterm
[09:31] <shevek_> xubuntu still rocks btw
[09:32] <shevek_> some stuff's a bit iffy, but that's what you expect from linux. It's basically all there.
[09:33] <shevek_> Some dev needs to 'add a launcher for a program as item 2 of a panel'
[09:34] <shevek_> since, you have to go to panel, add item, then it adds a blank item as the last item on the panel
[09:34] <shevek_> then you have to go to panel prefs, and wind it all the way up to item no.2, then open the edit thing for it, and add the app to the launcher
[09:34] <shevek_> and meh
[09:34] <shevek_> it's linux, this is normal
[09:35] <shevek_> oh dear god, video works :-)
[09:35] <shevek_> now I can cam4
[09:46] <Sysi> shevek_: 11.04 or 11.10? you can just drag from menu
[09:46] <Sysi> on 10.04 you should get popup to set up launcher when you add it
[09:47] <CiPi> Who know what is with all the usernames in /etc/passwd ? For what use are them, and why the usernames are there? And if they can be deleted?
[09:49] <shevek_> CiPi, I know. They are used by subsystems which operate with their own privileges, so that all subsystems are isolated from one another by the security mechanism. Your system will break if you delete them.
[09:50] <CiPi> Thanks alot.
[09:50] <shevek_> The rule of unix is that root is allowed to shoot himself firmly in the foot.
[09:52] <CiPi> One time all this usernames was vulnerable in the hackers ssh scanners.
[09:52] <CiPi> www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh
[09:52] <CiPi> backup:x:34:34:backup:/var/backups:/bin/sh
[09:52] <CiPi> All of them.
[09:53] <shevek_> well
[09:53] <CiPi> They had stupid passwords like backup:backup
[09:53] <shevek_> those usernames should have * for a password
[09:53] <shevek_> and a shell of /bin/false
[09:53] <shevek_> and your ssh daemon should not allow password logins
[09:54] <CiPi> I don`t have the ssh installed, now I`m talking in general... i just asking how this works...
[09:54] <Sysi> that vulnerability must've been AGES ago
[09:54] <shevek_> Various things need their own security ids to keep them isolated.
[09:56] <shevek_> thinking of which, can I reasonably prevent statd and rpcbind from starting...
[09:56] <shevek_> *hunts*
[09:56] <CiPi> Sysi, I`m not so sure about it... :)
[09:57] <CiPi> On a server ar this stupid usernames with /bin/sh are really risky...
[09:58] <dirtycookie> i have attachted a external monitor onto my laptop, but how do i "extend" my desktop? and not cloning my displays
[09:58] <shevek_> CiPi, If you decide to remove them, please do it on your equipment, not your employer's equipment. Your employer is likely to be unhappy.
[09:58] <shevek_> dirtycookie, nvidia-settings for nvidia. I'm not familiar with ATI yet
[09:58] <CiPi> I know the system crashes :))
[09:59] <shevek_> guh. ati's ui is ugly, and useless. nvidia's is ok.
[09:59] <dirtycookie> shevek: i have a eeePC which has an intel chip
[10:00] <shevek_> uhm, is there a video settings icon in the notification area? no idea, sorry
[10:00] <Sysi> dirtycookie: arandr
[10:00] <dirtycookie> Sysi: arandr
[10:00] <dirtycookie> ??
[10:00] <Sysi> !info arandr
[10:00] <shevek_> used to be xrandr
[10:00] <Sysi> aka. app what does what you want
[10:01] <CiPi> dirtycookie, graphic cards should work by default in Xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu
[10:02] <CiPi> I have a netbook also, and a really new model...
[10:02] <CiPi> And all is working well.
[10:02] <dirtycookie> CiPi: well when i press Fn+F5 to switch around monitors, i only get one or the other OR cloned
[10:03] <shevek_> my knowledge is a bit outdated on this, but fn+f5 used to trigger a hotkey thing in /etc/acpi/scripts which would then communicate with /proc/acpi/... to set the video output
[10:04] <shevek_> however, nowadays it's probably all changed
[10:04] <shevek_> So, play with arandr, which is actually capable of changing the video resolution, which is what's required to extend a screen
[10:04] <CiPi> I don`t know...my Fn key works for the video and sound...
[10:05] <shevek_> ooooh, notification-daemon says I received 134,641 new messages. Email's working then.
[10:05] <CiPi> :)
[10:07] <shevek_> yes, apparently now acpi keys generate input events by magic
[10:20] <Sysi> CiPi: if you have gnome-services started on startup you get dualhead by default, normally it's cloned
[10:21] <CiPi> I don`t know if I have...
[10:30] <shevek_> So, what's the modern equivalent of taking a service out of a runlevel?
[10:30] <shevek_> I want potrmap and statd not to start at boot, but they seem to be hooked into some enormous dependency tree
[12:42] <rafael_> hello
[12:42] <rafael_> someone there?
[12:43] <Myrtti> only us ghosts
[12:43] <rafael_> lol
[12:43] <rafael_> dind someone know how to shutdown x in xubuntu?
[12:44] <Myrtti> other than logging out?
[12:44] <rafael_> logging out stops xfce not x or am I not right?
[12:45] <Myrtti> it stops xfce but also x, you should see a completely blank, black screen for a while before the login screen comes
[12:45] <rafael_> so it restarts x
[12:45] <rafael_> ?
[12:45] <rafael_> I need to install nvidia drivers
[12:45] <rafael_> and for that I have to close x
[12:46] <rafael_> to install it in tty1
[12:46] <rafael_> I need something like /etc/init.d/[g|k|x]dm stop
[12:47] <rafael_> not restart
[12:47] <rafael_> init 3 has no effect
[14:26] <egil> synaptic won't start on xubuntu... It crashes as soon as I try to run it...
[14:27] <egil> anybody else got synaptic working=
[14:27] <egil> ?
[14:33] <rafael_> Hello
[14:33] <rafael_> how you manage dual-screen setups?
[14:36] <TheSheep> egil: try starting it from a terminal and see what it says
[14:36] <TheSheep> !dualhead
[14:37] <TheSheep> rafael_: try that link
[14:37] <rafael_> there was a nice gui in gnome
[14:38] <rafael_> and I know I can do it in nvidia settings
[14:38] <rafael_> but I cant install them
[14:38] <rafael_> I can't install the nvidia driver
[14:40] <rafael_> i assume the problem is the missing /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[15:06] <Egil> TheSheep, thanks for helping with my Synaptic problem. It turned out all my menu defs wereto  also lost. I decided to reinstall Xubuntu, which I'm doing right now. Will be back :)
[15:14] <ubuntunoob> so is this better than Ubuntu?
[15:14] <ubuntunoob> so is this better than Ubuntu?
[15:15] <bazhang> ubuntunoob, not really no
[15:15] <ubuntunoob> is ubuntu better than xubuntu?
[15:15] <bazhang> ubuntunoob, got an actual support question?
[15:53] <egil> TheSheep, I'm back. Fresh install of Xubuntu 11.10. Have ran the update manager to get all updates. Synaptic crashes. From terminal trying "sudo synaptic" : It just crashes with no error message. Trying just "synaptic" it crashes with "Memory segment fault" (error message translated from Norwegian)
[15:54] <egil> TheSheep, I'm back. Fresh install of Xubuntu 11.10. Have ran the update manager to get all updates. Synaptic crashes.
[18:50] <Shirakawasuna> question: is xubuntu supposed to use the xfce notifications by default, or the more unity-style ones?
[18:50] <Shirakawasuna> as of 11.10
[20:30] <JennyBlueBird> Hmm, it seems clicking my scroll wheel does not generate evenst as it should
[20:30] <JennyBlueBird> xev doesn't notice it
[20:57] <BlueParrot> ok, so I want to enable emulation for the third mouse button by pressing both simultaneously, but it seems modern versions ignore xorg.conf , so what do I do ?
[21:32] <Paimun> apparently xubuntu doesn't wanna play nice with my phone now
[21:33]  * Paimun grumbles
[23:25] <xubuntu829> ..
[23:26] <xubuntu829> i'm just installing xubuntu right now