[02:22] <Noldorin_> any windows guys around here?
[02:25] <jelmer> hi Noldorin_
[02:25] <fullermd> I hope so.  I haven't laughed a good schadenfrudes laugh all day.
[02:25] <Noldorin_> hi jelmer
[02:26] <Noldorin_> fullermd, hmm? i think you mean masochists. schadenfreude is enjoying others' pain ;-)
[02:26] <Noldorin_> which you may be :-)
[02:26] <Noldorin_> heh
[02:26] <fullermd> If they're running windows and I'm not, I am   ;p
[02:27] <Noldorin_> fullermd, yeah, but you said laughed at schadenfrudes... which doesn't quite make sense. unless you're laughing at people laughing at windows users ;-)
[02:27] <Noldorin_> though i like your poetic license with the word schadenfrude anyway :-P
[02:28] <fullermd> Well, it was rather flowery phrasing maybe.  But it's like "laughed a good laugh"; doesn't mean you're laughing AT a good laugh, just laughing in a good way.
[02:28] <fullermd> Thus, I'd be laughing in a scadenfreudorific fashion.
[02:29] <Noldorin_> fullermd, oh right, i slightly misread your original message
[02:29] <Noldorin_> yeah.,
[02:29] <Noldorin_> fair enough
[02:29] <Noldorin_> fullermd, still, lol @ "schadenfrude"
[02:29] <fullermd> (yes, language _is_ my plaything, why do you ask?  ;)
[02:30] <Noldorin_> i don't ask ;-)
[02:30] <Noldorin_> but i do admire the rare software developer who has a good grasp of natural language in addition to those of the programming variety.
[02:32] <fullermd> Well, I'm a perl guy, not a python nut.  Twisting things into valid but bizarrely hideous constructs is second nature.
[02:32] <fullermd> Maybe first and a halfth nature.
[02:33] <Noldorin_> heh
[02:34] <Noldorin_> thou speaketh not with forked tongue.
[02:34] <fullermd> Depends on what I'm working on.  Sometimes, my language _does_ get pretty forked.
[02:35] <Noldorin_> fullermd, especially if it's process-related bash ;-)
[02:35] <fullermd> Oh, I'd be all KINDS of forked off if my processes started showing up under bash...
[02:36]  * fullermd hugs his precious %
[02:36] <Noldorin_> meh, powershell is what the cool kids use these days.
[02:37] <fullermd> I...   you...   it doesn't...   the world...   I...
[02:37]  * fullermd huddles up in the corner whimpering.
[02:38]  * Noldorin_ ticks off the 100'th unix fan he's made sob
[02:38] <Noldorin_> you got to admit, windows users are harder to troll :-D
[02:38] <fullermd> Do you get a new badge for that, or is it just an endorsement?
[02:38] <Noldorin_> personal gratification
[02:38] <Noldorin_> everyone has their own way :-)
[02:39] <fullermd> Well, yeah.  But it's uncouth to even try.
[02:39] <fullermd> It's unsporting to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
[02:39] <Noldorin_> oh trust me, if i wanted to face an unarmed man, i'd pick on Apple users.
[02:40] <Noldorin_> i daresay there's 100s of delightfully trollable users online Freenode right now!
[02:40] <Noldorin_> *sits here typing this on his MacBook Pro*
[02:41] <fullermd> If you unsuccessfully troll yourself, is that victory or defeat?
[02:42] <Noldorin_> it's some strange superposition of the two
[02:42] <Noldorin_> Schrodinger called it win-lose.
[02:42] <Noldorin_> it has adverse affects on the fabric of quantum space-time.
[02:43] <fullermd> Ah yes, Quantum Trollodynamics.  Much harder to evaluate than the old Substandard Model.
[02:45] <Noldorin_> i can't decide whether that's the study of the motion of tiny trolls, or the study of the effects of a little bit of trolling
[02:46] <fullermd> Well, it means when you get into sufficiently small quantities of trolling, it becomes impossible to tell which side is being trolled.  Only on the macro-level do things settle down.
[02:48] <Noldorin_> yeah. it's what makes uber-trolls so deterministic.
[02:48] <Noldorin_> predictable, that is.
[02:48] <Noldorin_> i'm still waiting for the 10^-50 chance some uber-troll spontaneously trolls himself.
[02:48] <fullermd> These sort of things have a built in uncertainty principle, too.  It's impossible to discuss them at all without driving any real physicists in the audience into a seething rage over pop-cultural interpretations of their field...
[02:49] <Noldorin_> it's the only reason i'm on IRC, you now
[02:49] <Noldorin_> know*
[02:49] <Noldorin_> research into QTD.
[02:49] <lifeless> quantum troll displacement?
[02:49] <Noldorin_> quantum trollodynamics
[02:49] <Noldorin_> but indeed, displacement is an interesting phenomenon too
[02:50] <Noldorin_> i hear there's a net out-flux from EFnet these days
[02:50] <fullermd> That's just Cherangstkov radiation.
[02:51] <Noldorin_> fullermd, funnily enough, i am a "physicist", and as such can vouch that our humour is pretty much confined to this level
[02:51] <Noldorin_> in the same way the quark-gluon palsma is confined to the atomic nucleus.
[02:52] <fullermd> Only until we turn up the Electron Pump.
[02:58] <Noldorin_> don't meddle with such things
[02:58] <Noldorin_> the results are unknowable!
[02:58] <fullermd> Oh sure, _that_ advice always has the desired effect   :p
[02:58] <fullermd> You say "meddle", I say "hold my beer and watch this!"
[02:59] <Noldorin_> irony is interpreted literally by physicists, alas
[03:02] <fullermd> So I Fe.
[03:03] <Noldorin_> you iron?
[03:03] <Noldorin_> ppft.
[03:03] <fullermd> Sometimes iron, sometimes youron.
[03:03] <fullermd> I don't know.  Third base.
[03:04] <Noldorin_> hah.
[03:05] <Noldorin_> well, i dare not pollute this channel any more. :-P
[03:05] <Noldorin_> 'twas a jolly good banter.
[03:06] <fullermd> If you flip it upside down, it makes a good turban   :>
[03:06] <Noldorin_> even better
[03:07] <Noldorin_> i shall don the turban (turban?) and depart.
[03:07] <Noldorin_> adieu
[03:07] <fullermd> No, aeiou
[08:46] <richardus> is there a way to get bzr to print the actual diffs of a range of commits as a patch?  something like git format patch or git log -p.
[08:47] <richardus> i've got a few commits in my repo but there's lots of unadded/changed files and bzr diff -r keeps sticking those in the output
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure i follow, 'actual diffs' as opposed to changes?
[09:05] <richardus> actual diffs as in the diffs that went into the change.  the output you would see from git log -p
[09:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> including the commit message? bzr log --show-diff might be what oure after
[09:10] <richardus> hmm, that's close!  it's still showing files with unadded modifications though
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't think i can help you past that - i'm not deep into such things. hopefully someone else will appear soon and give you a solution
[09:12] <richardus> thanks for offering
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> np,gl
[09:12] <richardus> (i tried a dummy commit after my good commits but it still shows unadded files, wtf)
[13:20] <jelmer> richardus: bzr log -p
[15:58] <wgz> always amusing when go to retarget a bug I just got mail for and see jelmer did it five minutes ago
[15:59] <vila> ...passing around doing the same, and see gz commented on it 12 minutes later but still 5 minutes ago ;-p
[16:00] <wgz> ehehe
[19:24] <jelmer> wgz: clearly you should install a faster MDA :-P
[22:59] <Noldorin> hey folks
[22:59] <Noldorin> any bzr windows devs around?
[23:07]  * fullermd has the weirdest feeling of deja vu.
[23:08] <jelmer> hi Noldorin, fullermd
[23:14] <Noldorin> fullermd, who knows why
[23:14] <Noldorin> hi jelmer
[23:14] <fullermd> The Shadow knows!
[23:14] <Noldorin> tau neutrinos must have broken the speed limit again!
[23:14] <Noldorin> tut tut
[23:33] <Noldorin> wgz, you're not a windows dev are you? "_
[23:33] <wgz> on the basis of this evening, no
[23:33] <wgz> Noldorin: if you have a question, it's generally best to just ask it
[23:36] <wgz> if I don't know the answer, someone else in the channel may.
[23:38] <Noldorin> heh okay, i suppose
[23:38] <Noldorin> does anyone know how to set up bzr as a Windows service?
[23:41] <Noldorin> server, of course
[23:41] <wgz> you generally don't, because you need an authentication layer
[23:42] <wgz> so, I have apache running as a service, and mod_wsgi imports bzrlib
[23:42] <wgz> or you could have an ssh server, or something else, which would then invoke bzr
[23:49] <wgz> so, what are you trying to do exactly? just share stuff over the local network, or expose bzr to the internet?
[23:55] <Noldorin> wgz, both intranet and internet
[23:55] <Noldorin> wgz, surely smart server is the way to do it?
[23:56] <wgz> sure, but it has no authentication, so you can't use `bzr serve`
[23:56] <Noldorin> how do you mean?
[23:58] <wgz> if you let the internet access a plain bzr tcp protocol, you're letting the entire world do whatever they like to your disk
[23:58] <Noldorin> oh sure. of course
[23:58] <wgz> hence the use of bzr+http or bzr+ssh rather than just bzr
[23:58] <Noldorin> but smart serv uses ssh no?
[23:59] <wgz> in which case, you're not running bzr as a service, you're running httpd or sshd as a service
[23:59] <wgz> no.
[23:59] <Noldorin> except i'm on windows
[23:59] <Noldorin> heh
[23:59] <Noldorin> but fair enough