[00:02] <holstein> truepurple: aptitude is another package manager
[00:02] <holstein> i suggest you use tools you are comfortable with
[00:19]  * JackyAlcine <3 aptitude
[00:28] <truepurple> holstein, and safe causes this aptitude to be used INSTEAD of synaptic?
[00:29] <holstein> truepurple: safe-upgrade is the command
[00:29] <holstein> you use either synaptic, or aptitude
[00:29] <holstein> or another package manger
[00:31] <truepurple> aptitude have a graphic interface?
[00:32] <veebull> okay, quick question here...
[00:32] <veebull> I have a second 2TB hdd mounted under /srv
[00:32] <veebull> trying to create a subdirectory under /srv that I (the main user) can use for backups
[00:33] <veebull> I've changed the group ownership on /srv to 'staff', added myself to the 'staff' group, and chmod'd the group permissions to rwx
[00:33] <veebull> and I *still* can't create a directory under /srv?!?
[00:39] <geirha> You need to log in for the new group membership to take effect
[00:40] <veebull> just to be clear here... I have to log all the way out, not just restart the terminal program?
[00:41] <veebull> for some reason I thought that just closing the terminal session and initiating a new one would renew/re-read things with the new permissions... but obviously that ain't working.
[00:50] <geirha> Well, you can log in with sudo;  sudo -u yourusername -i
[00:52] <veebull> I just went ahead and logged out and back in.  Worked like a champ ;)
[00:53] <veebull> Now I can rest a little easier having Deja Dup backing up my home directory automatically.
[00:53] <veebull> thanks for the nudge in the right direction!
[02:10] <truepurple> holstein, does aptitude have a graphic interface?
[02:12] <JackyAlcine> truepurple: Yeah, aptitude-gtk, but if you're looking for that, I'd recommend synaptic.
[02:48] <holstein> truepurple: there are several GUI package managers, like synaptic
[02:48] <holstein> aptitude has a curses interface
[04:18] <mirza> hi..:D
[07:20] <dixoncx> hi
[07:21] <dixoncx> I wants to join ubuntu-beginners-team
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> Hey dixoncx
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> Have you checked out our Wiki page on Ubuntu?
[07:30] <JackyAlcine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[07:38] <dixoncx> hey, JackyAlcine
[07:38] <dixoncx> Yaa
[07:38] <dixoncx> i was reading that...
[09:46] <billhicks> im so happy i found this
[09:46] <billhicks> ive wasted 3 hours today trying to figure out to partition my hdd on my laptop
[09:50] <coalwater> gparted
[09:51] <coalwater> doesnt that do the job ?
[09:51] <billhicks> Gparted? thats a program?
[09:51] <billhicks> software*
[09:52] <mysteriousdarren> used for partitioning and a very easy to use one
[09:53] <billhicks> Oh well since I was working on W7 I used the one they had
[09:54] <billhicks> I was trying to partition it so i can instal ubuntu
[09:54] <billhicks> but the partition i made had 10gb of size and my friend said thats not enough for ubuntu
[09:54] <billhicks> so i gave up
[09:55] <billhicks> Id really like to have Uberstudent :)
[09:55] <billhicks> wich brings me to this question: is uberstudent very different from ubuntu?
[09:55] <billhicks> and which one would you recommend for a beginner
[09:55] <billhicks> ?
[10:06] <coalwater> i dont know what uberstudent is
[10:08] <billhicks> uberstudent is a ubuntu edition for students
[10:09] <billhicks> http://uberstudent.org/
[10:09] <coalwater> well it says here that its built on debian, so it shouldnt be so different
[10:09] <coalwater> since ubuntu too is built on debian
[10:10] <coalwater> UberStudent is built from the Debian branch of Linux, known for its exceptional stability and security. It also builds upon Ubuntu and similar Linux distributions, known for their top user-friendliness. This is perfectly in keeping with the spirit of educational inquiry where scholars build upon and refine the work of others to advance knowledge. Everyone increasingly benefits.
[10:10] <coalwater> thats from their site
[10:11] <coalwater> apparently it uses lxde user interface, if you like that interface u can download lubuntu
[10:12] <geirha> So most likely, the installer will do the partitioning for you.
[10:14] <billhicks> woah
[10:15] <billhicks> geriha it will do the partioning without damaging my windows 7 files ?
[10:15] <geirha> When you install Ubuntu, you get the choice of using the whole disk, install side by side by whichever OS you already have, or to manually partition.
[10:15] <billhicks> coalwater I have never used it. I just thought it would be best suited for my needs. I assumed its like ubuntu but with a different software bundle. but same principle i guess.
[10:16] <geirha> billhicks: Yes, but do make sure you've got a backup of the files you can't afford to lose.
[10:17] <billhicks> Geirha I saw that option, my friend installed ubuntu today but we arent exactly proffesionals in this area... We didnt understand a word from the option "do something else" in the installation window
[10:17] <billhicks> geirha, you mean my files or like windows 7 system backup?
[10:18] <coalwater> do something else directs you to the partitioner, which is basicly a gparted
[10:19] <coalwater> how much free space do u have on ur hard disk anyway, the more free it is the easier it is to partition
[10:19] <billhicks> aha, yeah i think ill do the installation while i have this irc channel open on another pc...
[10:19] <billhicks> wait ill attempt to guess how much free space i have ...
[10:20] <billhicks> well it says im using 200GB out of274
[10:20] <billhicks> so im guessing i have 74gb free
[10:20] <billhicks> :)
[10:21] <geirha> The partitioning has always worked out fine for me, but it's not a trivial change, and things can go wrong.
[10:22] <billhicks> Yes
[10:22] <billhicks> I suppose so
[10:23] <billhicks> I did set up a restore point so if things go in an awful direction I can always restore my settings to that point
[10:23] <billhicks> and If anything else fails ill restore my laptop to its factory settings
[10:23] <billhicks> I just dont want to have format my laptop
[10:23] <geirha> Hm. I'd consider doing a defrag on that windows partition first.
[10:23] <billhicks> I did that :D
[10:24] <geirha> Good :)
[10:24] <billhicks> im proud right now
[10:24] <billhicks> lol
[10:24] <coalwater> billhicks: you only have 1 partition now ?
[10:24] <billhicks> i have 2 but the second is only 10gb
[10:26] <coalwater> i think if you add another 15 gigs it would be good enough
[10:27] <billhicks> alright ill use another partioning program. Ill add as much as i can
[10:27] <billhicks> except that im scared that by using another partioning program, something can wrong with my C: partition
[10:27] <billhicks> ... like i said, im really not a genius in softwares
[10:27] <coalwater> u dont need to cut much, cause ubuntu can access the windows ntfs drive, so you dont need a huge home
[10:28] <geirha> Remove that second partition, leave 15-20GB of unpartitioned space
[10:28] <billhicks> alright
[10:28] <billhicks> so Ill partition a 20gb space
[10:29] <billhicks> ill mount the uberstudent on a flashdrive
[10:29] <geirha> Linux uses a different type of partition than windows, so you might as well let it create them itself (it will create two partitions)
[10:29] <billhicks> is there a step by step tutorial anywherE?
[10:31] <geirha> http://www.uberstudent.org/mod/resource/view.php?id=25
[10:32] <coalwater> brb
[10:32] <billhicks> >.< there is an option to instal them side by side
[10:32] <geirha> Yes, it uses the same installer as Ubuntu. If you leave unpartitioned space, choose the option "Use the largest continuous space"
[10:33] <geirha> (when you get to that part of the install)
[10:33] <geirha> *continuous free space
[10:34] <billhicks> so really i dont have to create a partition
[10:34] <billhicks> i just need to defragment my disk?
[10:34] <geirha> defragmenting is to make it easier to resize an ntfs partition
[10:34] <geirha> You've already done that part manually now
[10:35] <billhicks> ah this option was also available with the installer
[10:35] <billhicks> okey
[10:35] <billhicks> awesome
[10:35] <billhicks> I think ill give this a try on my next break :)
[10:37] <billhicks> ermmm
[10:37] <billhicks> do you guys know how I can mount the OS on my flash drive?
[10:38] <billhicks> I believe there is a software for that
[10:38] <billhicks> ill google it :)
[10:38] <geirha> I know how to put an Ubuntu iso on a flashdrive. For uberlinux, the procedure may or may not be the same.
[10:38] <billhicks> oh.
[10:38] <geirha> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[10:39] <geirha> Browse down to step two, choose medium and OS and click Show me how
[10:40] <billhicks> nice
[10:40] <billhicks> :D
[10:40] <billhicks> thanks
[10:40] <billhicks> i think it should work
[10:46] <billhicks> oh yes uberstudent is in the list :D
[11:09] <billhicks> is it ok if the partition is labeled as extended partition?
[11:09] <billhicks> or is this normal?
[11:10] <billhicks> like its a logical drive in an extended partition...
[11:15] <billhicks> and its 48 gb :) its more than enough to instal additional programs :D
[11:15] <geirha> Yes, linux doesn't care if it's installed on a primary or a logical partition
[11:16] <billhicks> awesome
[11:16] <billhicks> thanks!
[11:16] <billhicks> ill format my usb key , mount the OS and ill see what happens :)
[11:17] <billhicks> is ubuntu easy for beginners?
[11:17] <billhicks> or will it be hard to use the first week?
[11:17] <geirha> Yes and no.
[11:18] <geirha> I'd say it's pretty easy for beginners, but it does things a bit differently than windows
[11:19] <geirha> So you may find that trying to do something the way you did in windows, doesn't work as well.
[11:20] <billhicks> I guess ill get used to it.
[11:20] <billhicks> I like challenges on a daily basis :D
[11:21] <geirha> For a person who has no prior experience with any OS, I'd say Ubuntu (and similar distros) are just as easy to learn as windwos and mac.
[11:22] <billhicks> awesome
[11:22] <billhicks> is it true that i will be able to customize it ?
[11:22] <geirha> For one thing, when you want to install some (free) program in windows, you go to google or bing or whatever your favorite search engine is, search for it, find a download link, download and install.
[11:22] <geirha> In Ubuntu, you open the software center, search for the program you want and click install
[11:23] <billhicks> ooh nice!
[11:28] <bioterror> geirha, in windows you go to http://ninite.com/
[11:32] <billhicks> I didnt know about that :O
[11:32] <billhicks> thanks
[11:41] <billhicks> is it true that ubuntu or lubuntu is safer?
[11:46] <coalwater> back :D
[11:46] <mysteriousdarren> safer? how?
[11:47] <billhicks> wb coalwater
[11:47] <billhicks> well safer to use the internet
[11:48] <billhicks> more secure shall i say
[11:48] <coalwater> safer than what ?
[11:49] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Yes, ubuntu is much more secure than win; you may wish to have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[11:51] <billhicks> can i ask, why do you guys use ubuntu? do you use any other OS in parrallel?
[11:51] <coalwater> i use windows for games lol
[11:52] <mysteriousdarren> Lubuntu with Windows 8 for graphic design stuff
[11:52] <Sidewinder1> I dual boot with ubuntu, 10.04 and XP; although I rarely use XP, anymore; since 2007.
[11:53] <Sidewinder1> Funny part is that I still haven't deleted XP; I'm not really sure, why.. :-)
[11:53] <mysteriousdarren> comfort?
[11:53] <billhicks> do you guys just like unix based os more?
[11:54] <billhicks> or do u endorse open source?
[11:54] <billhicks> or is it for security?
[11:54] <mysteriousdarren> Endorse opensource projects, and want more security than Windows can provide. Freedom helps too!
[11:55] <billhicks> awesome. I guess im joining in for the right reasons
[11:55] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Pretty much all three.
[11:58] <geirha> same here
[11:59] <mirza> :D
[12:00] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, If you're seriously considering a move to or dual boot with ubuntu, you might have a look here, for a step-by-step: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index  However I would suggest not trying WUBI; it's use can be problematic.
[12:02] <geirha> He's currently installing a Debian/Ubuntu derivative though.
[12:03] <Sidewinder1> OIC.
[12:04] <Sidewinder1> As long as it ain't wubi. ;-)
[12:04] <billhicks> I am seriously considering it. Im switching the basic ubuntu on my tower and to uberstudent on my laptop
[12:05] <billhicks> I think these will meet my needs
[12:05] <billhicks> to basic ubuntu*
[12:05] <mysteriousdarren> when did u start using uberstudent?
[12:05] <billhicks> im still keeping W7 in a dual boot just in case something goes wrong. I cant afford to not use my pcs
[12:06] <billhicks> I havent lol I joined this channel because i couldnt wrap my mind around how to instal it
[12:06] <billhicks> so far i did a partition
[12:06] <billhicks> and Im going to mount it on a flashdrive
[12:06] <billhicks> but im aslo studying for my exam... lol
[12:06] <billhicks> so im completing steps on my breaks
[12:08] <Sidewinder1> Just make sure that you Md5sum the ubuntu ISO image to make sure that your download was perfect.
[12:15] <billhicks> md5sum?
[12:28] <Sidewinder1> !md5sum | billhicks
[12:28] <ubot2> billhicks: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:28] <Sidewinder1> !hashes | billhicks
[12:28] <ubot2> billhicks: See http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/9.10/MD5SUMS for the md5sums of the latest Ubuntu release
[12:29] <Sidewinder1> :D
[12:32] <billhicks> is it necessary?
[12:32] <billhicks> O_O
[12:35] <coalwater> its better than having an error in the middle of the installation
[12:36] <billhicks> ooohh gotcha
[12:36] <coalwater> its a simple terminal command, md5sum file
[12:37] <billhicks> yeah well it uses words i cant understand lol wait im reading it
[12:38] <coalwater> u just compare the hash of ur downloaded file with the hash the site gave u
[12:38] <billhicks> whats a terminal?
[12:38] <coalwater> the black screen with nothing but white writing lol
[12:39] <billhicks> and how can i compare it? i have to complete this step by step no?
[12:39] <billhicks> ohhh
[12:39] <billhicks> command prompt?
[12:39] <coalwater> yea
[12:39] <billhicks> okey
[12:39] <geirha> You need to install a program to calculate md5sum in windows
[12:40] <billhicks> will it workd for uberstudent?
[12:40] <coalwater> geirha: firefox's addon 'down them all' does that for me, i like that addon
[12:40] <coalwater> u give it the hash while downloading and it auto verifies after download finishes
[12:40] <geirha> yes, though you need to find the sum to compare with at uberstudent's site.
[12:40] <billhicks> ...
[12:40] <billhicks> this is math
[12:40] <coalwater> lol no
[12:41] <coalwater> not that sum
[12:41] <geirha> Anyway, I'm leaving. Off to participate in some yule stuff.
[12:42] <billhicks> alright thanks a lot geirha for all your help :)
[12:42] <billhicks> you helped me alot!
[12:43] <billhicks> ill definitely do this on my break, ill find the sum somewhere
[12:43] <billhicks> :)
[12:43] <coalwater> what are u trying to find , i could help
[12:44] <billhicks> well the sum for uberstudent
[12:44] <billhicks> because this is what im installing :D
[12:45] <Sidewinder1> coalwater,  He means the md5sum hash for uberstudent
[12:45] <coalwater> ok
[12:46] <Sidewinder1> :D
[12:47] <coalwater> http://uberstudent.org/releases/cicero/uberstudent-1.0-cicero-desktop-i686.iso.md5
[12:47] <coalwater> is this it?
[12:48] <coalwater> this is the gnome desktop one, there's another sum for the lxde one
[12:48] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Once you find the hash for uberstudent, you'll probably need to go here to find a program to download for windows to run in order to check the hash: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:48] <coalwater> http://uberstudent.org/releases/ just work your way from here
[12:50] <billhicks> yes it is this one coalwater
[12:50] <billhicks> thank you sidewinder for the link!
[12:50]  * Sidewinder1 Kisses ubot2, due to her vast knowlege base. :-)
[12:50] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, My pleasure.
[12:50] <billhicks> hey have u tried this version of ubuntu: uberstudent?
[12:51] <billhicks> is it stable, good, and everything nice?
[12:51] <billhicks> are there ubuntu versions better than others?
[12:51] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, No; actually, I've never heard of it, before today. I'm assuming it's German?
[12:52] <billhicks> no not really , I just googled: ubuntu and students
[12:53] <coalwater> i woudlnt call it an ubuntu version, its more like an ubuntu drevative i guess
[12:53] <billhicks> and the first links were blogs raving about it
[12:53] <Sidewinder1> I prefer the LTS (Long Term Support) versions; it's just personal preference. I'm currently running ubuntu desktop, i386 Lucid Lynx, 10.04.
[12:53] <billhicks> I wanted application and ubuntu uses for students and hear feedbacks about ubuntu from students point of view
[12:54] <billhicks> oh cool :)
[12:54] <coalwater> Sidewinder1: yea, i guess im gonna stick with precise, better than installing new ubuntu every 6 months lol
[12:54] <billhicks> is it the latest versions of ubuntu?
[12:55] <coalwater> latest version is oneric, 11.10
[12:56] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, I'm very concerned about the learning curve regarding unity; I know gnome inside out and don't really want a significant change..
[12:56] <coalwater> unity isnt that hard, u get used to it, but to be honest its still buggy
[12:57] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Have a look here for an explanation of the variuos versions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29
[12:57] <coalwater> there's a stupid focus issue, pop up windows dont get focus by default , usually makes me close wrong windows by mistake
[12:58] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Yes, that's what I've heard; I'm hoping that 'they' have most issues, addressed in Precise, by the time I need to upgrade.
[12:58] <coalwater> i hate when i close firefox
[12:59] <coalwater> then i need to wait for all tabs to load again
[12:59] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Again, if you're migrating from windows, I think it will be easier for you to transition if you use Lucid, 10.04.
[13:00] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, And 10.04 is supported until 04/2013.
[13:00] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Wouldn't you agree?
[13:02] <billhicks> :O ill try that one then on my tower
[13:02] <billhicks> :)
[13:02] <billhicks> thanks
[13:02] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Again, my pleasure. :-)
[13:15] <billhicks> what is edubuntu fo r?
[13:16] <coalwater> edu. education stuff
[13:17] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Please see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edubuntu
[13:17] <billhicks> niice
[13:17] <billhicks> alright
[13:17] <billhicks> i have one last tiny question
[13:17] <billhicks> lol
[13:17] <billhicks> for the md5sum
[13:18] <Sidewinder1> Shoot.
[13:18] <billhicks> I have to mount the iso on a flashdrive first right?
[13:18] <billhicks> because they said
[13:18] <billhicks> Make sure that when you download the CD iso to download the md5sum and place it in the same directory.
[13:19] <billhicks> oh wait
[13:19] <Sidewinder1> Not sure; better to md5sim the iso on the drive where you downloaded it.
[13:19] <billhicks> i think they meant the download folder
[13:19] <billhicks> they should be in the same Downloads folder
[13:19] <Sidewinder1> md5sum, even. :D
[13:20] <billhicks> oh i download it the md5sum
[13:24] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, When you run the md5sum program on the ISO, it should come back with the hash; something like: hnjrs89fy9h78045uvjvcj8... You then need to compare that to the hash, listed at the site where you downloaded the ISO. They must match, exactly. Then you know you get a perfect ISO, downloaded.
[13:24] <billhicks> its giving me an error when it try to move the iso into system 32 so they can be in the same directory
[13:26] <billhicks> should i execute the md5sum?
[13:26] <billhicks> because i didnt
[13:26] <billhicks> ...
[13:27] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, No, no don't move it to C:\system32... Again, md5sum the ISO if it's correct, follow the instructions here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installing
[13:28] <billhicks> it doesnt say anything abt md5sum >.<
[13:28] <billhicks> im going to execute md5sum
[13:29] <Sidewinder1> billhicks, Before installing, you should read up on partitioning; also very important!!! Make certain, prior to installation that you, in Windows, that you defragment your drive, at least twice, prior to shrinking...
[13:30] <billhicks> I did partition my drive
[13:30] <billhicks> and from what i know the instalation sofwatere will make the two main drives
[13:30] <billhicks> by it self
[13:31] <billhicks> but
[13:31] <billhicks> yeah thats abt it
[13:32] <Sidewinder1> Again, that psychocats link that I gave you should answer most of your questions/issues.
[13:35] <billhicks> thank u :)
[13:35] <billhicks> its nice to see so many people dedicated to helping ubuntu users
[13:35] <billhicks> I wish i could say the same for windows lol
[13:44] <coalwater> i think somewhere in this world there is lol
[13:57] <billhicks> woah
[13:57] <billhicks> is this the morning routine
[13:57] <coalwater> lol
[13:57] <billhicks> everyone joins in?
[13:57] <coalwater> a normal netsplit
[13:58] <billhicks> oh lol
[13:59] <coalwater> 13:38 -Martinp23(martinp23@freenode/staff/martinp23)- [Global Notice] Hi everyone. It's time for further ircd upgrades to take place (see blog.freenode.net for details). The servers  affected today are pratchett, calvino, leguin and niven. One of our US hubs will also be restarted, so there will be a very large netsplit. Please fasten your seatbelts.
[13:59] <coalwater>  I'll send mesages directly to affected users antd will let you know when it's all done. Thanks!
[13:59] <coalwater> that was the global notice
[13:59] <billhicks> thats nice of him
[14:03] <Sidewinder1> For a moment, there were only 98 people in #u.. That's gotta be a first; gotta' love netsplits.
[14:57] <billhicks> well im off to instal uberstudent
[14:57] <billhicks> wish me luck lol
[15:05] <coalwater> good luck even though ur gone lol
[15:43] <jp_Hranice> Hallo is here somebody to help on #ubuntu-testing ?
[20:38] <ShArkY_> w