[00:04] directhex: And how many programmers do you know that are sane?! [00:06] there is no need to learn to build entire applications in assembly language but you do need to know stuff like the stack, pointers, calling conventions etc [00:06] x86 is too complicated though [00:28] some people start from the electronics end and go to arduino stuff [00:51] penguin42: I'm sane sometimes \o/ [00:51] Azelphur: Prove it [00:51] Moo. [00:51] damn! === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [04:13] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu and QML - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/04/ubuntu-and-qml/ [08:04] morning [08:08] AlanBell: https://plus.google.com/102921374554385564572/posts/8sVoWjFj6jG [09:36] oooh [09:37] AlanBell: aye :) [09:50] Morning [09:51] daubers: ello [09:54] * daubers warms up the soldering iron [10:12] * danfish alerts the fire brigade in daubers area :) [10:12] :p [10:14] Time for a morning/recovery run [10:24] odd czajkowski that link doesnt work for me [10:24] ah, ok now .. odd [10:25] popey: should do you're in the groups I posted to [10:25] canonical, Ubuntu, UK Geeks [10:26] no, its because i have multiple google accounts, that link doesnt work [10:26] i have to massage it [10:26] ahhh [10:26] so you're the awkward one :) [10:26] no, google is [10:26] I have to add /u/1/ into them too. their permalinks aren't so perma [10:26] exactly shauno [10:27] ah I see [11:02] semi-authentic English breakfast ♥ [11:02] (no English sausages) [11:03] good morning everyone. [11:03] * MartijnVdS sticks to sesame rolls with "komijnekaas" [11:05] (cheese with cumin) [11:10] bah [11:10] stupid arduino ide [11:11] I've got so many wishes for Christmas presents but I'm sadly low on ideas what to give others [11:11] (Lilypad Arduino is on my list for Santa) [11:16] Myrtti: Pirate Fluxx (or any other Fluxx) [11:17] if it's not available in Finnish, then no :-( [11:18] Myrtti: hm.. there's a Dutch, German, Spanish and Japanese version [11:18] Myrtti: (and English of course) [11:18] no Finnish so no go :-( [11:18] hi all. can anyone recommend software for making a mp3 cd?? [11:18] jonsaint: soundconverer [11:18] uh [11:18] soundconverter [11:18] it converts any music you have to MP3, then you just select the MP3s in brasero [11:19] and that makes a mp3 cd? [11:19] no it converts your music to mp3s suitable for MP3 cds [11:19] mp3 cd is just a cd with mp3's in it [11:19] i got the mp3 files but looking for something to burn the mp3 music to cd [11:19] jonsaint: even the filemanager itself should be able to burn, you don't need any special app for it [11:20] brasero is of course nice [11:20] Myrtti, so all i do is burn it as a data cd? [11:20] what I would check is your cd player first [11:21] does the manual say if there is a limit on how many directories it can recurse into [11:21] my car cd is mp3 compoatible as i already play mp3 in there [11:21] atleast in the misty hazy days of mp3 cd players there were limitations in the directory depth [11:22] il give it a try [11:22] yeah, it should just work [11:23] cheers for the help [11:43] gwibber 3.3 seems alot more resource friendly, but the gui, is still so sluggish. [11:46] I am quite liking Hotot as an alternative [11:47] siriusly: i havent tries yet, what protocols can it deal with? [11:48] brobostigon: just Twitter & Identica and since I dont use FB it's not a problem [11:48] siriusly: ah, ok. [11:49] I want to like Gwibber and I know it has come on in leaps bust as you say the GUI is still quite sluggish [11:49] Bu* [11:50] although I do like the way it's integrated into the desktop experience [11:50] hence, i do use mustard and seesmic more, on my phone, for thiese purposes. [11:51] Yeah I have seesmic on my android phone too [11:55] * brobostigon is weird though, using launchpad ppa's inside debian. [12:44] wow, I never knew there was a snowman in unicode [12:45] although, to be honest in this font I couldn't tell what it was [12:46] hm [12:48] where does gwibber store all the messages it has fetched? [12:48] although I'm getting lost in Wikipedia looking up the other contents of 'Miscellaneous Symbols' [12:48] ☕ [12:49] * penguin42 fails to find what the 'Permanent paper sign' ♾ is for [12:55] penguin42: http://archive.ifla.org/IV/ifla64/115-114e.htm ? [12:56] well, I've learnt something - and I've not even had breakfast yet [12:59] hmm, I'll go and cure that 2nd part [13:00] i suppose, mixing ppa's and normal debian repos inside debian. will only be an issue, if things start to clash. afterall a ppa, is basiclly, a normal debian repo. === myrtti is now known as Myrtti [13:35] moo [13:35] phpmyadmin in precise looks very shiny [13:35] moo? [13:35] o/ [13:36] cluck [13:36] * AlanBell wonders when the chickens are going to start laying [13:36] AlanBell: isn't phpmyadmin just a web app and not tied to a specific distro? [13:36] * jacobw is a fan of the chickens [13:37] * brobostigon asks the air force not to send any loud planes over AlanBell's house. [13:37] bigcalm: sure, but I just added the version from the repos and it has been updated and looks shiny [13:37] Aha [13:38] I forget that some web apps make it into the repos. Which is good and bad. Most web apps are constantly out of date [13:38] yeah, I wouldn't do wordpress from the repos, but phpmyadmin I can't be bothered to install myself [13:38] it can have security issues so I often uninstall it after using it [13:39] Indeed === Joeb454 is now known as Guest24086 === ianto is now known as Guest87358 === LjL is now known as Guest26921 === jpds is now known as Guest37602 === Guest87358 is now known as 15SAAI1SA === oimon is now known as Guest63416 === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [14:11] splittety split [14:12] penguin42: network upgrade [14:12] ah! [14:12] Changes in the matrix? [14:12] penguin42: if you look at global notices [14:12] 14:11 [freenode] -Martinp23(martinp23@freenode/staff/martinp23)- [Global Notice] Wheeeeee. The main part of this week's upgrades is done. Thanks for your patience and I hope you enjoyed the ride... Our last round of ircd upgrades is next week, so don't miss the fun :) [14:17] there have to be ways to do ircd upgrades more transparently [14:19] copyover, but it is a pain to implement it [14:21] file descriptors are preserved across execve() but you have to reallocate all your data structures etc [14:21] nod, just a serialise/deserialise [14:42] is https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse 404 for everyone else? === LjL^ is now known as LjL [14:59] ok, empathy in debian sid, not connects to msn, so they must have updated something, that isnt in bitlbee on my vps in lucid. [14:59] now* [15:23] Howdy [15:29] penguin42: yep, from here [15:30] hmm ho hum, apparently it works for some people in some places [15:30] worked last week === monsterwizard is now known as ros === ros is now known as learner12 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:54] Hey popey, when is the next podcast up? :) [18:02] jutnux: we record this tuesday [18:02] also http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/calendar/ :D [18:03] Good good. [18:17] I am vexed. My computer now refuses to boot Ubuntu, even from a LiveUSB. But it still boots Windows fine. [18:17] It ran mprime for an hour (when Ubuntu still booted) with no trouble. It runs Memtest86 through a full pass with no errors. Grr. [18:18] awilkins: have you adjusted the boot order? [18:18] have you checked the boot bits of the liveusb? [18:18] MartijnVdS: Nope... the LiveUSB has worked for some time too [18:18] strnge [18:18] stränge even [18:19] It's been flaky for a few weeks - but only in Ubuntu. Hardlocks and resets [18:19] file bugs! [18:19] Windows will play Skyrim for hours and only suffers from the usual crashing level you'd expect from a Bethesda game [18:19] ah [18:19] nvidia [18:19] I guess? [18:19] Yes [18:20] I've just found the source of your problems ;) [18:20] I may swap the card out for the older 8800 [18:20] I've an nfs mount over what I suspect to be a flaky network. Is there a favourite tool that I can use to do a massive volume of realistic-loking I/O on it to see if I can make it fail while I'm awake? [18:20] MartijnVdS: It even had the crashes when I was running Nouveau [18:20] BigRedS: cp ubuntu.iso /mnt/nfs [18:20] BigRedS: \o/ lots of i/o [18:27] MartijnVdS: yeah, that was my first thought :) [18:27] Wondered about a bunch of random reads/writes. But it's all on vms, so I've no idea where the actual bits being flipped are [18:29] BigRedS: Bit flips? A flaky network should never actually make flaky data in the actual files [18:33] bit flips sounds like a broken nic [18:33] also, that should be caught by checksum algorithms on several levels [18:33] no, there aren't any bit flips, just the device goes away [18:33] try running nfs over tcp -- if you still get corrupted data, you want to start suspecting the disc/controller [18:34] what I meant was that traditionally I'd want to be reading and writing all over the place, rahter than just one file [18:34] BigRedS: What do you mean 'goes away' - sorry, please be a bit more precise [18:35] Apache processes (which are reading off it) end up in D state and the mount point is empty. It's actually gluster, not nfs, too [18:35] ok, sounds like you have a gluster specific problem then [18:36] yeah, I just want to se what's going on when it fails [18:36] BigRedS: anything in dmesg? [18:37] are those logged anywhere to survive between boots? [18:37] should end up in /var/log/kern.log [18:37] or possibly /var/log/syslog [18:37] yeah, nothing in syslog [18:39] and only complaints by apache about the sudden disappearence of the fs [18:39] I'll just cp a CD a few times and see what happens [18:40] * penguin42 assumes gluster has some monitoring stuff [18:41] yeah, I've inherited somebody else's mess [18:41] ah === monsterwizard is now known as boobie [19:31] popey: Went to make cake in a cup but had no self raising flower :'( [19:32] Don't know if you remember that article ;) [19:32] jutnux: do you have baking powder? [19:32] add that to the flour :) [19:32] MartijnVdS: Not that I know of. [19:32] MartijnVdS: Silly mother made cake earlier and used all of the sr flower. [19:33] Because it looks really nice :'( [19:36] jutnux: Well, obviously you should take a slice of the cake instead [19:36] penguin42: Been there, done that, gained 8 stone ;) [19:37] jutnux: And you do better with cakes in a cup?! When I do that they're quite substantial - I don't use a small cup :-) [19:38] I've never had cake in a cup before hahaha. I have a massive beer mug type cup so that will be fine :) [19:38] * penguin42 puts lots of cocoa, chocolate chips and a spoon of marmalade in [19:39] Marmalade? :-O [19:39] jutnux: at least it's not marmite [19:39] Gross. [19:39] I hate Marmite. [19:39] jutnux: Yeh Marmalade - gives a nice orange taste; orange and chocolate go really well [19:40] I'll probably get some self raising flower on the way home tomorrow then make it. [19:40] I wish more people would move off of facebook [19:40] then I could shut down my account. [19:47] I swear lifehacker is going downhill [19:55] marmite contains vitamin b which makes people less aggressive [19:55] conclusion, marmite lovers are better people :) [19:55] A wide variety of foods contain vitamin B6, including potatoes, bananas, beans, seeds, nuts, red meat, poultry, fish, eggs, spinach, [19:56] i unlaterally shutdown my facebook again 2 years ago [19:57] Wish I could [19:57] Why do people customise unity arghhh [19:57] Especially when they make it look disgusting [19:58] people customise everything [19:58] True [19:58] Just had some cheesecake, feel proper sick. [19:58] Worth it though. [19:58] it doesn't sound as such [19:59] Raspberry cheesecake, can't go wrong ;) [19:59] I didn't even realise you could customize Unity [20:00] you can even customise gnome3 [20:00] they fixed that now? [20:00] haha [20:00] i'm sure their working on it [20:00] i want to see someone make kde look like gnome3 [20:01] 8-) [20:01] Didn't someone make LXDE look like XP? [20:02] gnome is quite easy to make look like XP [20:03] http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/1058 [20:03] I knew GnomeShell can be customised. Haven't found out how Unity can. [20:03] define $customised [20:08] colours, sizes, backgrounds, etc [20:08] I can't find out how to remove the workspace switcher [20:09] etc. [20:09] well, havent really looked [20:10] compizconfig-settings-manager lets you do a fair amount [20:11] I have just found the launcher icon size slider [20:11] I only really found the uses of workspaces last year [20:12] I use keyboard shortcuts for switching anyway [20:12] I'm really disappointed how audio_bell works in GnomeShell but not in Unity [20:12] I can't even figure out why [20:12] * AlanBell goes to file a bug in unity [20:12] i'm pleased all the new desktop shells are using keyboard shortcuts [20:13] * jacobw loves keyboard control [20:13] keyboard control is good, but it isn't complete [20:14] ISTR that some change was made deliberately to stop audio_bell working in Unity. Don't know how, but I'm sure it's intentional. Don't think it's a good thing, either, but there you go. [20:15] intentional? erh. I'd prefer it to be configurable like it is in GnomeShell. [20:15] one feature that Gnome hasn't managed to remove [20:18] Unity's less good at keyboard than Gnome 2 was IMO [20:21] I wonder how I manage to find new problems in my system almost on daily basis [20:21] now I want to know which spellchecker drivel uses but seem to be unable to locate info about it [20:22] What's all this Alt+click business? [20:25] * AlanBell wonders what MarquessDeBonBon is on about [20:25] AlanBell: I think he means in Gnome-Shell how you can move the dockable things. [20:58] MartijnVdS, Damn machine won't even boot the alternate installer for Natty now. Just gets to a flashing text cursor on a black screen... [20:58] Hardware failures that favour Windows over Linux.. [20:58] awilkins: I'd say it's a hardware issue then [20:58] It's almost like MS made a firmware virus [20:58] iiiiiiiiiiii snow [20:58] ♥ [20:59] Myrtti: snow? [20:59] It boots the loader, syslinux [20:59] snow. [20:59] Then when you try and get past that to the initrd etc flashy cursor [20:59] Even with "nosplash" [20:59] Badger sputum. [21:00] That's one of the more interesting expletives I've seen. [21:00] Darael, Not mine... one of Douglas Adam's [21:00] So it is. How could I have forgotten? [21:10] evening all :) [21:11] Howdy. [21:18] quiet in here tonight.... [21:25] Hahhahahaha, someone on a forum took apart a Lithium Ion battery and put it in the bin. [21:25] o_O [21:25] Moments later the bin was on fire. [21:25] He didn't understand why until after he put the fire out. [21:25] lol [21:25] Lithium + h20 = flames [21:26] or does it combust in air, [21:26] Nope [21:26] H20 it burns. [21:26] I think [21:26] It oxidises in air, but not rapidly enough to burn. In water, on the other hand... [21:27] what if there is high humidity [21:27] just out of interest [21:27] I don't actually know, but I'd assume if it's high enough it'll "spontaneously" combust. [21:27] Darael, You ever seen caesium in water [21:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjreO2quGsM [21:27] Yup. Boom. [21:28] Francium would be even more impressive, if they could get it to remain stable for long enough... [21:28] LiHO should that be LiOH [21:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCk0lYB_8c0 - All of the metals :L [21:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=SjowQJMS-W4 [21:30] francium bomb test [21:30] which is not a proper descriptionof the video really is it [21:30] Francium and fluorine would be particularly impressive, I should think. [21:30] It's Hydrogen bomb test haha. [21:31] yeah i kinda thought it looked odd for francium in water [21:31] isi t really that rate [21:31] rare [21:31] Presumably [21:32] Reacts with air so quickly I guess. [21:32] there was a mythbusters episode where they were messing about with irresponsible quantities of reactive metals [21:33] That it reacts with air wouldn't make it rare, merely difficult to get the pure stuff. [21:33] It's rare because it's unstable, and decays quickly. [21:33] I guess. [21:33] yeah [21:33] http://www.chemicool.com/elements/francium.html [21:33] " less than 30 g of it exists on Earth at any given time. " [21:34] i really miss having a periodic table program I had on win3.1 it gave detailed decay trees for elements [21:34] I wish I was alive for 3.1 :-( [21:34] so not something the mythbusters could easily chuck in a bucket of water to see what happens [21:34] however on win95 it really seemed to eat memory [21:34] * AlanBell remembers windows 2 [21:34] * MartijnVdS too [21:34] and me [21:35] had it on my dad's XT [21:35] well clone [21:35] we had that ast college when loadingf adobe pagemaker (well it says windows 286) [21:35] zleap: that's 3 I think? [21:35] ah [21:35] 3.0 [21:35] that maks sense as i got my first pc while at college that had 3.1 [21:36] I got my first PC when I was 4. [21:36] it was also that first pC on which i started to play with Linux [21:36] Good ole learning land! [21:36] yes all the networked machines you could go into gwbasic and type shell to get a command prompt, on the non networked machines this was blocked [21:36] lol [21:37] My school security is terrible. [21:37] what is funny is you tell people and they just dismiss it [21:37] Unplug the network cable, bring up cmd prompt, plug it back in and you have a command prompt connected to the network. [21:38] lol [21:38] i take it that is due to a bug (or for us feature) in windows [21:38] Maybe. [21:38] say probably RM being RM [21:39] Also they let me create an account on the local machine. [21:39] Change the admin password on the local machine [21:39] yes i got an old rm machine ones, guessed the bios password pretty easy RM [21:40] heh, you are meant to change those :P [21:41] I was taking an MCAS exam (got offered to me for free, don't smite me) and the Vista PC got a BSOD. [21:41] Was so funny. [21:41] thenn /c [21:41] lol [21:41] jutnux: what you don't know is that it was part if the test :P [21:41] s/if/of/ [21:42] Either way [21:42] I sat there [21:42] for 30 minutes [21:42] whilst they replaced everything [21:42] HDD and Ram failure apparently [21:42] at the same time?! [21:42] Yes [21:42] Apparently [21:42] webpigeon: Static shock can do that [21:42] or lightning [21:43] Probably static [21:43] MartijnVdS: still, decent surge protector... [21:44] and don't poke things when it's running :P [21:45] I messed up a laptop like 6 years ago [21:45] By hoovering it [21:45] Uh.. how? [21:45] bad [21:45] I was 10 and knew no better. [21:45] Static build up. [21:45] by spinning the fan? [21:45] and the fan acting as a small generator? [21:46] Don't know [21:46] hoovers generate a lot of static [21:46] But now I keep a can of compressed air, only cost me like £5. [21:46] Any stories of your cock-ups guys? [21:48] http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/my-10-unix-command-line-mistakes.html [21:48] i read this a little while ago, it made me laugh a few times [21:49] Thanks for the link [21:49] Yeah, thanks. This is funny hahhahah [21:54] on the subject of batteries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2fD-hYVLxE&feature=related&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6RNVDmtTcS4%26feature%3Drelated [21:55] i always hoover out my computer === 15SAAI1SA is now known as ianto [21:55] 52 x 9v = 468v which is more than what you get on 3 phase (415) and mains (240 / 110) [21:55] ali1234: I sometimes do when I have no compressed air. [21:55] compressed air just blows the crap around [21:55] Not if you aim ;) [21:55] See you later anyway guys. [21:55] Have a good night ;) [21:57] careful with compressed air and any condensation [22:17] AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/769314 [22:17] Ubuntu bug 769314 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "System bell broken in Natty/Unity (despite heroic...)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:22] ........... [23:23] ... [23:23] where's Pac-Man when you need him [23:23] who? [23:24] Pac-Man, he's the guy that eats all the dots. [23:27] Azelphur: think he's hanging out with the arch lot [23:27] I see [23:28] ᗤ [23:28] woo it's pacman [23:28] Awww, unprintable char [23:28] ᗣ......•...ᗤ [23:28] ghost is in trouble [23:29] hehe [23:30] Unicode Character 'CANADIAN SYLLABICS CARRIER TTE' [23:30] there is me thinking there was UTF8 pacman :( [23:33] haha, excellent AlanBell