| wgz | apache's windows port is reasonable... though I wouldn't run an sshd on windows myself | 00:00 |
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| wgz | If you want to go that route, I can help you get bzr working over http | 00:02 |
| wgz | otherwise you're probably best posting to the mailing list for advice | 00:02 |
| Noldorin | wgz, sshwidnows (openssh for win) isn't very good? | 00:02 |
| Noldorin | right | 00:02 |
| Noldorin | i see | 00:02 |
| wgz | feel free to try it, but I'd personally be very nervous about allowing that kind of access to my box | 00:05 |
| Noldorin | wgz, just because you think windows ssh servers don't have very well-tested security? | 00:05 |
| wgz | it's a big surface area, and not widely used, yes. | 00:07 |
| Noldorin | wgz, it's a big surface area on unix too :P | 00:14 |
| Noldorin | just better tested | 00:14 |
| Noldorin | wgz, are there any guides out there for setting up bzr+ssh (openssh) on unix at least? | 00:18 |
| jelmer | Noldorin: there is no setup required, just a ssh server (and having bzr installed) is sufficient | 00:24 |
| Noldorin | jelmer, oh yes? bzr client knows exactly what to do itself when it encounters an ssh server? | 00:24 |
| Noldorin | jelmer, recommend any windows ssh server btw? | 00:25 |
| jelmer | Noldorin: right, it just asks the remote server to run "bzr serve", and that's sufficient | 00:26 |
| wgz | Noldorin: an ssh client can get the server to run arbitrary commands, so it just asks the server run bzr | 00:35 |
| jelmer | Noldorin: I don't have any experience with SSH servers on Windows, sorry | 00:42 |
| Noldorin | jelmer, no prob. thanks for the tip anyway :-) | 00:42 |
| Noldorin | wgz, sure, as long as bzr is set up to deal with the quirks of being on an ssh transport. which i guess it is :-) | 00:43 |
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| Amis | Hello o/ | 08:12 |
| Amis | Soo... I'm searching all over the net but not finding an answer for this (seems to be very common) question: how can I make my Bazaar remember FTP passwords? I'm using 2.3.1 Bazaar with 0.6.1 T. Bazaar | 08:14 |
| Amis | I might also add I use Window | 08:16 |
| Amis | s | 08:16 |
| Amis | Uhh, net split | 08:35 |
| Amis | So, I found this thing called "authentication.conf" that does what I need BUT it does not work with SFTP connections and I can't really wrap my head around it | 08:36 |
| Amis | "password ignored in section [projectnamehere], use an ssh agent instead" is what it says. What's the point of ignoring the password in the conf then promting for it? I don't really get it. | 08:37 |
| fullermd | I don't know the Windows side. But with a lot of ssh programs, bzr _can't_ pass the password to ssh. | 08:52 |
| fullermd | In that case, bzr isn't prompting for the password; ssh is. | 08:53 |
| fullermd | But whether that's what's happening for you, I don't know. | 08:53 |
| Amis | So there's an SSH client being used (since it can connect) but it bzr can't pass the password to that client? | 08:54 |
| vila | hey guys ! | 08:54 |
| Amis | Okkey, I managed to set it up but it was hell of a struggle for someone without a linux machine at hand :/ | 09:02 |
| mgz | morning all | 09:04 |
| vila | morning mgz | 09:04 |
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| mgz | vila: on the get_message_encoding branch, | 09:33 |
| mgz | I'm a little torn on whether to add 'system' or not. | 09:33 |
| vila | for someone unaware of the context, 'message' is ambiguous | 09:34 |
| mgz | what we care about is system messages, | 09:34 |
| mgz | but gettext looks at LC_MESSAGES as well sorta | 09:34 |
| vila | right, but LC_ gives a hint there | 09:35 |
| mgz | and on win, FormatMessage is a generic api too (though generally just used to interpret errnos) | 09:35 |
| vila | what makes you remove the 'system' part ? | 09:36 |
| mgz | because it's the encoding for any messages really, it's just we happen to only care about the system ones | 09:36 |
| vila | what are the other kinds ? | 09:37 |
| vila | of message that is | 09:37 |
| vila | error messages as in: produced by the application as opposed to the underlying system ? | 09:38 |
| mgz | the c locale is a global setting | 09:38 |
| mgz | anything can look at it and use it. | 09:38 |
| vila | right, | 09:39 |
| vila | I think the trigger for my remark was the docstring mentioning system but since it's in osutils... | 09:39 |
| vila | may be the context makes it clearer but your proposal doen't have any uses of the function (classical issue when splitting proposals to make them easier to review ;) | 09:41 |
| mgz | basically what we need it for is to know how to interpret the strings that get put in OSError, IOError, and so on | 09:42 |
| mgz | which is why 'system', but it doesn't preclude the use of the setting for other things | 09:43 |
| vila | yeah, that's the part I can't see from the proposal probably. So, just land it ;) | 09:46 |
| mgz | well, the one worry would be if plugin authors are tempted to use it for something not related to the C library at all | 09:48 |
| mgz | like encoding strings they want to show the user with it, rather than looking at the stream.encoding or something | 09:48 |
| vila | maybe you can better explain the intent in the docstring ? | 09:52 |
| vila | mgz: urgh, mixed eols in test_win32utils.py | 10:00 |
| vila | weirdly enough, lp didn't notice | 10:00 |
| mgz | ...how did we manage that? | 10:00 |
| vila | for we I don't know, for where it's only the recently added lines ;) | 10:01 |
| vila | what is this '_func' attribute ? | 10:03 |
| mgz | ^just added in my branch? can rewrite history to avoid that... but thought editor I used on win was smart enough not to do that... | 10:05 |
| vila | yup | 10:06 |
| mgz | _func is something I'm trying out as a way of writing ctypes code | 10:06 |
| vila | no need to rewrite history, just fix it ;) | 10:06 |
| mgz | there are bunch of annoying issues with ctypes wrappers, that make it close to impossible to write good code with them | 10:06 |
| mgz | firstly, if you don't define the params, you risk breaking on bad arguments in really bad ways | 10:08 |
| mgz | secondly, you need to lazily load functions if you want to import the module on a platform without that library | 10:09 |
| mgz | thirdly, the basic wrapper is a horrible class with a useless docstring | 10:10 |
| mgz | fourthly, to test your wrapper properly you need to cover the error cases, which isn't always easy to get from the underlying library | 10:10 |
| mgz | so, this way does the definition inside a normal function with a docstring, on an attribute that can be overriden for tests | 10:11 |
| mgz | it's similar to having a named global in the module that partners the function, but more systematic | 10:12 |
| mgz | works out at a lot of boilerplate though | 10:12 |
| vila | but you can define this attribute as a real method and get the same benefits AFAICS | 10:12 |
| mgz | how do you mean? | 10:12 |
| vila | _get_env_var_w = ctypes.WINFUNCTYPE(DWORD, LPCWSTR, LPWSTR, DWORD)(88+ ("GetEnvironmentVariableW", ctypes.windll.kernel32)) | 10:13 |
| vila | and still override that in tests | 10:14 |
| mgz | as a module global? | 10:14 |
| vila | yes | 10:14 |
| mgz | we can't do that - kernel32 doesn't exist on nix. | 10:14 |
| mgz | would prevent import win32utils working there. | 10:14 |
| vila | these tests requires win32 anyway | 10:15 |
| vila | ha | 10:15 |
| vila | this code is already protected by has_ctypes and plaftorm = win32 no ? | 10:15 |
| vila | well, winver != 98 | 10:15 |
| mgz | nope, it could be, but that has downsides too. | 10:16 |
| vila | what nope ? it *is* covered by: if has_ctypes and winver != 'Windows 98': | 10:16 |
| mgz | with a lot of functions from different places, you end up loading many libraries at import type you may not need | 10:17 |
| vila | oh. | 10:17 |
| vila | (bit slow this morning) | 10:17 |
| * vila scratches head | 10:18 | |
| mgz | >>> print sys.platform, win32utils.winver != 98 | 10:18 |
| mgz | linux2 True | 10:18 |
| vila | I still don't get it, we've been able to import lazily without this trick | 10:18 |
| mgz | ^was the 'nope' | 10:18 |
| vila | let's start again :) | 10:18 |
| mgz | if you look at existing code of this kind in osutils and win32utils | 10:19 |
| vila | The attribute trick makes me frown, can we do without it ? | 10:19 |
| mgz | you'll see they use a wide range of different tricks | 10:19 |
| mgz | vila: I'm still looking for a way that doesn't suck :) | 10:19 |
| vila | hmm | 10:20 |
| mgz | a decorator that does the boilerplate here is one idea, but then that's doing more work at startup and is even more magical | 10:20 |
| mgz | you need function specific code, but most of the wrapper wants to be just like all the other wrappers | 10:22 |
| vila | yeah, so you have cache local to your function, why not have a shared one then (for the WINFUNCTYPE), you can still inject whatever you need for tests | 10:23 |
| vila | or may be just documenting *that* magic (caching in the function attributes) is good enough to start with ? | 10:25 |
| vila | But is it even worth caching when the others don't ? | 10:25 |
| mgz | many of the other functions only get called once | 10:25 |
| mgz | but having everything use the same idiom at some point would make life easier | 10:26 |
| vila | right, so some of the things you said here are worth documenting in the proposal ;-) | 10:27 |
| mgz | ^one option I haven't mentioned is ctypes allows an errcheck function attribute for the specific logic you need to add, but then the exposed object is still the generated class with the useless docstring | 10:27 |
| vila | caching because used more than once (but still, why on the function itself ;) | 10:27 |
| vila | if the docstring is the issue can't you just override it or provide a wrapper ? | 10:28 |
| mgz | there's a point with ctypes where you have so many wrappers you forget where one starts and the next begins :) | 10:28 |
| vila | bah, this discussion is becoming far longer than it should :-/ | 10:28 |
| mgz | :D | 10:29 |
| mgz | you've given me some useful feedback. | 10:29 |
| vila | mgz: reviewed, do the tweaks you feel necessary | 10:33 |
| mgz | how would you feal about cfunc = <function_name>._c_function ...or can you think of a better naming scheme? | 10:51 |
| vila | mgz: sry, missed that, | 12:04 |
| vila | hmm, this sounds better | 12:04 |
| mgz | pants, forgot news. | 13:06 |
| mgz | lunch! | 13:23 |
| mgz | blom blom. | 14:16 |
| jelmer | mgz: hmm | 14:20 |
| jelmer | I think I'm going to need a dictionary for that one | 14:20 |
| mgz | just making funny noises :) | 14:22 |
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| mgz | okay, I need break | 18:13 |
| mgz | +a | 18:13 |
| * lamont boggles at non-monotonically increasing revnos | 19:06 | |
| nyuszika7h | ) | 19:06 |
| nyuszika7h | Oops, auto-attach again >_< | 19:06 |
| lamont | if a is at rev 10, b is based on rev 7 + a change + merge of a, and I bzr pull into a from b, then the revno of a becomes smaller... this does not seem sane to me | 19:06 |
| lifeless | lamont: you've created a shorter left-hand-path | 19:12 |
| lifeless | lamont: you may want to disable such pulls by setting the config option for that | 19:12 |
| lamont | lifeless: I believe that I do, yes. | 19:16 |
| lamont | Is that clear in the manpage? | 19:16 |
| lifeless | look for append_revisions_only in 'bzr help configuration' | 19:17 |
| Dov_Rine | what's the best way to install bazaar for use as a redmine repository? | 21:21 |
| lamalex | lifeless, is there a simple | 22:03 |
| lamalex | er whoops imeant to hit backspace not enter | 22:03 |
| Noldorin | hi jelmer | 23:05 |
| jelmer | hi Noldorin | 23:06 |
| Noldorin | jelmer, hey. | 23:39 |
| Noldorin | jelmer, so with regards to bzr+ssh, how is the url translated into a path on the SSH server? | 23:40 |
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| jelmer | Noldorin: it's the path part of the URL | 23:49 |
| jelmer | Noldorin: bzr log bzr+ssh://foo.com/var/www/bla accesses /var/www/bla there | 23:49 |
| jelmer | Noldorin: it supports ~ | 23:51 |
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