[06:23] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: did you see this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Muon+Icon?content=145610
[06:31] <valorie> sorta cool -- I would take out the "1" though
[07:48] <kio_http> Hi I was wondering when we would get packages for KDE 4.7.4 for 11.10 (There are some fixes in there that interest me). Also 4.8 Beta 1 for 11.10 or precise if that's possible?
[07:53] <valorie> hi kio, it looks like the ninjas are still packaging that
[07:53] <valorie> we've had some serious challenges recently
[07:55] <valorie> I suggest writing to Kubuntu-devel list to ask
[08:03] <kio_http> valorie: I see was that about 4.7.4 or 4.8 (i think 4.8 is the difficult one)
[08:05] <valorie> we're missing our heavy hitters right now
[08:06] <valorie> Riddell was injured, I'm not sure where apachelogger_ is, ScottK is busy at work, and Darkwing is just coming back from a computer crash
[08:07] <kio_http> valorie: I see that's a real pitty
[08:08] <valorie> I'm sure it will pick up soon
[08:08] <valorie> and when the students break from school, we'll really get cooking
[08:35] <kio_http> valorie: I am a Windows developer, I'm quite proficient in VB.net and C# and I have done debian packaging before (I don't remember much now), what do you think is the best path for me to start making qt GUI applications I would need databases as well maybe mysql instead of MS SQL 2k8r2
[08:38] <KRF> kio_http: there are quite extensive examples in the qt docs (also for DB access)
[08:38] <KRF> just google for it
[08:42] <kio_http> KRF: I know, but if I understand well to use qt, I need to know C++?
[08:43] <KRF> if you know C#, it shouldn't be too hard. Qt doesn't expose the darkest parts of C++.
[08:46] <kio_http> KRF: I see, what about python and ruby?
[12:36] <allee> I assume that unity does not use oxygen as it's default theme.  So all apps/ with icons in oxygen-icon-theme (e.g. digikam bug 781728 ) look ugly.   Ohters apps install their icons in default fallback theme hicolor  (e.g. kate:   dpkg -S apps/kate. )   What's the recommended way to fix it?   Hicolor Icons in digikam-data like for kate?
[13:05] <allee> okay, all  apps that have their icons only in oxygen-icon-theme are affected.  Additionaly  app-install data does not include find app icons in oxygen-icon-theme, so it will look ugly in gnome environment :(
[13:14] <Riddell> allee: unity should install "digikam" icons and those should be used when unity icon is selected
[14:11] <Riddell> we didn't have an alpha 1 right?
[14:13] <Tm_T> we didn't?
[14:13] <debfx> yes, no one tested the images
[14:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: and welcome back, hopefully have all right now (:
[14:14] <Tonio__> hey Riddell !! Just read an email about you... I was shocked :(
[14:14] <Tonio__> I hope you're doing well...
[14:14] <Tonio__> seeing you here probably means "I'm okay"....
[14:15] <allee> Riddell:  really?  we (plasma-desktop) do not install any gnome icons for use is case this gnome-app is installed, don't we?   IMHO digikam should place icons in the 'right' directories.  I.E.  default fallback theme (that's hicolor).  Instead 'assuming' everyone has oxygen-icon-theme in the icon search path.
[14:15] <Tonio_> hi everyone btw
[14:15] <allee> Tonio_: Hi!!
[14:15] <Tonio_> allee: long time no see
[14:16] <allee> Tonio_: yes.  I don't find much time for kubuntu :(
[14:16] <Tonio_> same with me... I don't find the time, due to preparing my wedding, having a baby and so on
[14:17] <Tonio_> allee: also hard to find out motivation anymore... youngsters are doing it now, and are doing well
[14:17] <Tonio_> time to let them raise the flamme probably ;)
[14:18] <Tonio_> allee: what are the news appart from that ?
[14:19] <Riddell> hi Tonio_, I'm recovering slowly
[14:20] <Riddell> allee: it should use oxygen unless there's nothing else installed, if unity wants to provide its own icons it should install digikam icons in the unity directory
[14:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: no visible injuries, scars and so on on the long term ? I read you had bandages on half the face...
[14:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have one eye patched, like a pirate
[14:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope that's temporary ?
[14:26] <debfx> allee: that's a bug in the digikam package: usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/digikam.png exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere [...]
[14:27] <allee> Tonio_: nothing earth saking, excpet that my daugther has now a 'test' driving license.  So I have sit now next to here
[14:27] <Tonio_> ;)
[14:28] <Tonio_> I'm very far from that, my lil' girl is 2 month old :)
[14:30] <allee> debfx: I'll check if it's the old icon or the new one.    AFAIU it would be best if upstream would move all icons below apps/... to their application package and install in hicolor.
[14:32] <debfx> allee: applications should always install icons in hicolor and optionally add other variants for specific themes
[14:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: I hope so too but could take a week or some months to sort
[14:51] <BarkingFish> Riddell: just to let you know, I didn't manage to get any further with Libsndfile1 last night - I can't figure out what's up with it, so I'm gonna have to file on launchpad for it to be sorted.
[14:51] <BarkingFish> I've discovered it doesn't only affect audacity, it also affects VLC and kdenlive as well, kdenlive won't export audio in .wav and vlc won't encode anything whatsoever.
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch !
[14:57] <Tonio_> a month is quite a lot
[14:57] <Tonio_> to wait before knowing...
[14:59] <Riddell> yes I'll get bored before then
[15:00] <Riddell> I'll take kubuntu gentle this week but get back into it as I feel able
[15:01] <BarkingFish> Er... ladies and gentleman, houston has one hell of a problem.
[15:02] <yofel> BarkingFish: ?
[15:03] <BarkingFish> I just tried to report this bug (the libsndfile1 issue) and apport-bug has given me a very stern warning.  "Problem in linux-image-3.0.0-14.... This bug cannot be reported - This is NOT a genuine ubuntu package"
[15:03] <BarkingFish> this was while it was collecting system data for the report
[15:04] <yofel> hm, does 'apt-cache policy linux-image-3.0.0-14-generic' list a server it's avaliable on?
[15:06] <BarkingFish> one moment, I'll check - in the mean time, this is what it handed me - http://imgur.com/ZrAcL
[15:07] <yofel> yeah, I know, problem is it relies on a working apt-cache for that check
[15:07] <BarkingFish> I'll show you the output - be better if I paste it, it's over the 3 line limit
[15:08] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760518/
[15:09] <BarkingFish> I dunno where I got that from, musta been before I took out all the PPA's and repos which bogged my system last time 
[15:09] <BarkingFish> i don't see it on apper
[15:17] <allee> debfx: I agree.  I'll bug upstream.
[15:18] <debfx> allee: I think upstream does the right thing, the package just doesn't install the hicolor icons
[15:20] <yofel> BarkingFish: -14 is from oneiric-proposed, enable it, refresh the cache, file bug, disable proposed again
[15:20] <BarkingFish> ah, ok
[15:20] <BarkingFish> thanks yofel - I took out -proposed because of all the kde 4.7.3 stuff which bust my system  and lead to me downgrading to 4.7.2 L(
[15:21] <BarkingFish> guess I musta got that before I disabled the pool
[15:37] <allee> debfx: digikam 2.1.1 builddepends on mysql-server ???  Not a lib or mysql-server-core.  Any idea why?
[15:39] <BarkingFish> yofel: Do you think there is anything else which I should add to this entry?
[15:39] <BarkingFish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsndfile/+bug/900332
[15:40] <yofel> BarkingFish: looks fine to me
[15:41] <BarkingFish> ok, no probs - I'll leave it out there and see what happens.
[15:41] <BarkingFish> The problem is, I tried to take the offending file off, which unfortunately, wants to remove 177 other packages at the same time, including most of KDE
[15:42] <BarkingFish> I've tried reinstalling it, which has absolutely no effect whatsoever.
[15:45] <BarkingFish> back in a sec, looks like while apport-bug was running, it took my sound out.  
[15:45] <BarkingFish> see you in a moment
[15:46] <allee> debfx: ah, they check for existance of mysql binaries.  So looks like mysql-server-core would be enough.  Still very strange ...
[16:40] <ScottK> Any objection to me trying to get 4.7.3 into -proposed this week?
[17:00] <BarkingFish> ScottK: How is the bug ironing on 4.7.3 going?  There were quite a few there when I tried it from Neon's PPA
[17:01] <ScottK> Dunno.  I may have time later in the week to check.
[17:02] <BarkingFish> Well there was the Panel failing to respond to clicks, kernel panics while using ndiswrapper & knetworkmanager, and the biggest of them was plasma-desktop's decision to freely close itself down with a segfault at random times during your session :) 
[17:03] <BarkingFish> this is why I backed out of 4.7.3 and downgraded back to 4.7.2, lot of issues I couldn't put up with :)
[17:03] <ScottK> That last one I have with 4.7.2.
[17:03] <BarkingFish> now I don't.  I'm on 4.7.2 and it hasn't happened since I downgraded
[17:18] <Riddell> no objection to 4.7.3 in -proposed
[17:30] <yofel> neither from me - got a plan what to do with soprano ScottK?
[17:33] <allee> yofel: upstream 'strongly' suggest to use 2.6.3 with 4.7.3.   I've rebuild presice soprano on oneiric (no change required).  In the first hours I noticed less .xsession-errors msg  but did do many checks yet
[17:33] <allee> s/2.6.3/2.7.3/
[17:34] <ScottK> I figured to put it in under a separate bug at the same time.
[17:34] <ScottK> Due to the upstream recommendation.
[17:34] <yofel> sounds good
[17:49] <BarkingFish> I don't have any objections to 4.7.3 being in proposed either, on the proviso that those key bugs with it are swatted before it goes out to people :)
[18:46] <rbelem_> Quintasan_, Riddell, pyside is part of the qt-project now
[18:58] <allee> as 4.7.4 will be the last 4.7 how about pkg 4.7.4 as soon as possible and backports this to oneiric instead?
[21:30] <ScottK> Because I have time this week and not at some arbitrary time in the future.