[00:37] <smallfoot-> this unity shit fucking sucks
[00:37] <smallfoot-> its no wonder everyone is ditching ubuntu
[00:37] <smallfoot-> and moving to linux mint
[11:15] <iceroot> what is the default openjdk in 12.04? ver6 or ver7? both are in the repos
[11:20] <sagaci> err, doesn't look like there's a default
[12:33] <iceroot> but i dont see a reason to have ver6 and ver7 in the repos
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:10] <geser> looks like openjdk-6 is still the "default" as it's in main while openjdk-7 is only in universe (at least at the moment)
[14:00] <FernandoMiguel> good afternoon
[14:22] <iceroot> geser: ah yes you are right, i was not looking at the repos, so the dependencies from eclipse are correctly set
[14:24] <Ian_Corne> what version of eclipse is in the repo now, and is it usable with plugins yet?
[14:24] <Ian_Corne> I've abandoned hope on eclipse from the repo a while ago
[14:25] <iceroot> !info eclipse precise
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> :)
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> !info eclipse
[14:25] <iceroot> Ian_Corne: 3.7.0-1
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> I'm thinkging it defaults to precies?
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> oh it doesn't
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> but does it work with plugins yet?
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> It didn't used to because of version naming or something
[14:26] <iceroot> Ian_Corne: i dont know, i am using netbeans now, because eclipse wants to pull openjdk6 and i only have 200mb free
[14:26] <Ian_Corne> You're deving on java7 already
[14:26] <Ian_Corne> nice
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> I don't think i'll see java 7 in the near future where I'm working :)
[14:27] <iceroot> i hope there is no difference for what i am trying here
[14:27] <iceroot> just some xml-foo with java/dom and i hope there is no difference in jdk6/7 and no difference to the evil sun/oracle-jdk
[14:29] <atdiehm> am I better off with the daily, or sticking with alpha 1 ....
[14:29] <atdiehm> I need to see if the 3.2 kernel is going to fix some stuff on my new lappy
[15:01] <gnomefreak> im guessing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio is no longer needed
[15:03] <gnomefreak> smoke
[15:03] <gnomefreak> damn
[15:26] <atdiehm> Just tried alpha 1 on my new zenbook, the screen turned on and showed a keyboard next to a person... then a blinking cursor for 10 sec or so... then the screen shut off
[15:26] <atdiehm> I heard the "bla doop" sound that plays when the login screen is presented, so I know it kept booting.. just didn't display
[15:26] <atdiehm> pulling down the daily now to try that
[15:57] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: ctrl+alt+f2
[15:57] <atdiehm> same happens with the daily... booting off USB, it shows the keyboard next to the person at the bottom ... then a blinking cursor top left .... and then the screen goes off
[15:57] <atdiehm> ctrl-alt-f2 does nothing
[15:57] <alex_mayorga> IIRC that gets me to a text based console
[15:57] <atdiehm> it might have, but the screen is still off
[15:58] <atdiehm> it's not just black... it's off
[15:58] <alex_mayorga> perhaps try plugging an external monitor?
[15:58] <atdiehm> it's a new ultrabook, and I don't have a micro-hdmi converter on me
[16:00] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: got a URL for the specs?
[16:01] <atdiehm> one sec
[16:03] <atdiehm> http://zenbook.asus.com/product/?c=spec
[16:03] <atdiehm> it's the 13" i5
[16:04] <FernandoMiguel> you got one of those? cool
[16:06] <atdiehm> it's pretty nice, but it's too new for ubuntu
[16:06] <atdiehm> so much isn't supported
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> I consider buying one, but too much € for me
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> got a 13" dell vostro
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: afaik you might need some kernel parm to work around that GPU
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> either nag bjsnider or jump on #ubuntu-x and ask sarvat
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> most of it is sandy bridge
[16:06] <bjsnider> it looks like it's sandybridge
[16:07] <FernandoMiguel> but that should work with kernel 3.0.2
[16:07] <alex_mayorga> bluetooth 4.0? =O
[16:07] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, I've been saying for years: Ubuntu (and most "Desktop distros") are meant for hw between 6 months old and 3-5 years
[16:08] <FernandoMiguel> alex yep. iphone has it too
[16:08] <bjsnider> intel puts code int he kernel for unreleased hardware all the time
[16:08] <alex_mayorga> is that a software thing or does the radios actually changed?
[16:08] <bjsnider> atdiehm, go to #ubuntu-x and talk to sarvatt
[16:09] <bjsnider> he's our snb expert
[16:10] <atdiehm> snb?
[16:10] <atdiehm> I just want ot keep this laptop :-p
[16:10] <bjsnider> sandybridge
[16:13] <atdiehm> oneiric works on it....
[16:13] <atdiehm> ther are just features that aren't working
[16:13] <atdiehm> and I was told in some forums that it seems the 3.2 kernel is fixing some of those features
[16:13] <atdiehm> so I wanted to try out the alpha since it had that kernel
[16:14] <atdiehm> because I'm probably going to return the laptop today if I can't assure myself I'll have good use of it in a few months
[16:14] <atdiehm> like... right now... I have no option to disable the touchpad while I type.... which is a deathblow
[16:14] <atdiehm> and the battery life is like 2.5hrs when it's 8 in windows
[16:14] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: I'd say follow bjsnider advise, he's got my video working reliably in the past ;-)
[16:14] <atdiehm> because the screen won't stay at anything but 100% brightness
[16:15] <atdiehm> alex_mayorga, his advise it to speak with sarvatt, and I'm waiting ot hear back from him :)
[16:15] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: never mind then :)
[16:20] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: you can use a more recent kernel oon 11.10
[16:20] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, how then? link?
[16:20] <atdiehm> because the ubuntu wiki says to use kernel 3.2
[16:21] <atdiehm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook
[16:21] <atdiehm> on there
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: my dell is 9h on win and was <3h on ubuntu . with a few tweaks its now >5h
[16:21] <atdiehm> and I asked in the channel yesterday, and was told to install the alpha
[16:21] <atdiehm> I could stomach 5ish
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:22] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, I don't know if I've got the stones to do a manual kernel update....
[16:22] <FernandoMiguel> eheh
[16:22] <FernandoMiguel> it *should* be safe
[16:22] <FernandoMiguel> you always keep the older one
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> BUT the tweaks aren't all in the kernel
[16:23] <atdiehm> I'm a fedora guy, so I know very little of the deb packages and tools they use
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> cool... that asus wiki tells me how to fix usb3 :D
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> maybe now I can gete suspend to work too
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: download the daily kernel for your arch and the -all deb
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> put all 3 on an empty folder
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> reboot
[16:24] <atdiehm> k
[16:27] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, you said all 3 ... but there are only 2 files?
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> headers, image, all
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2011-12-05-oneiric/linux-headers-3.2.0-999-generic_3.2.0-999.201112050405_amd64.deb
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2011-12-05-oneiric/linux-headers-3.2.0-999_3.2.0-999.201112050405_all.deb
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2011-12-05-oneiric/linux-image-3.2.0-999-generic_3.2.0-999.201112050405_amd64.deb
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: ^^^^
[16:28] <atdiehm> ah... image/headers
[16:34] <FernandoMiguel> $ cat /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy
[16:34] <FernandoMiguel> max_performance
[16:34] <FernandoMiguel> this cant be good :\
[16:38] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, it epic-fails just like the alpha 12.4
[16:39] <FernandoMiguel> how?
[16:40] <atdiehm> screen just turns off
[16:40] <atdiehm> gonna try the 3.1
[16:40] <atdiehm> how do I un-install 3.2?
[16:40] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: can you ssh to it?
[16:40] <atdiehm> alex_mayorga, probably......
[16:40] <atdiehm> would that be helpful?
[16:41] <atdiehm> if networking has been enabled, I don't see why I wouldnt' be able to shell in...
[16:41] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: would at least allow you to see dmesg and such
[16:42] <alex_mayorga> just throwing random ideas from the days where my nvidia was borked :-)
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: ah so it's not the install that fails, just the booting
[16:43] <alex_mayorga> perhaps you can also do ubuntu-bug from ssh and at least get the bug reported
[16:44] <FernandoMiguel> naaa
[16:44] <FernandoMiguel> not really supported
[16:45] <atdiehm> the alpha actually fully boots
[16:45] <atdiehm> it even makes the login screen noise
[16:45] <atdiehm> the screen is just not on
[16:46] <atdiehm> how many kernels does it keep.......
[16:46] <atdiehm> I'm installing 3.1 now... I don't want to be ass raped with no bootable install ....
[16:46] <atdiehm> :)
[16:48] <atdiehm> the 3.1 kernel turns a screen on at least :-p
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> you keel them all
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> it doesn't get replaced
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> either use aptitude or synaptic to remove the ones you want to remove
[18:09] <atdiehm> so, I got 3.2 to boot
[18:10] <atdiehm> the touchpad is super choppy, but I've got 5+hrs of battery life, and the multi-touch works...
[18:10] <atdiehm> but it's really choppy
[18:10] <atdiehm> it goes off and on.... and ignores about 1 out of 4 swipes, or jumps around
[18:20] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: coooolll
[18:20] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: $ acpi -V | grep Bat
[18:21] <FernandoMiguel> Battery 0: Discharging, 98%, 04:41:47 remaining
[18:22] <atdiehm> I don't know if it's usable .... the touchpad was perfect with 3.0 kernel.... it just wasn't recognized, so the disable when typing wasn't an option, and multitouch didn't work
[18:23] <atdiehm> now multitouch and disable when typing works, but it sucks to use :-p
[18:23] <nhaines> The march of progres!  \o/
[18:25] <atdiehm> gotta combine the two and it'll be full of win
[19:19] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: lspci | grep vga
[19:20] <atdiehm> if I install 12.04 alpha ... will I get upgraded automatically as it goes?
[19:20] <atdiehm> alex_mayorga, that command gives nothing, but what was it for?
[19:22] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: perhaps I messed it up but it should tell something about the video card on the system
[19:23] <atdiehm> there's a kernel issue keeping it from booting properly
[19:23] <atdiehm> I got around that
[19:23] <atdiehm> I can boot into the 12.04 daily right now
[19:24] <atdiehm> and my touchpad and battery are much better
[19:24] <nhaines> atdiehm: yes, you'll just be upgraded automatically as it goes, but you might still want to reinstall at or around beta 2 or final relesae.
[19:24] <atdiehm> well.. the touchpad is recognized, and the multitouch works..... but it's much more flakey than with the 3.0 kernel
[19:29] <nhaines> This has nothing to do with kernel drivers but only about shifting packages.  :)
[19:30] <nhaines> ("This" being the potential desire to reinstall near the release date.)
[19:41] <sskalnik> Is the "admin" group deprecated in favor of the "sudo" group in Precise?
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> Pici: ^^^
[19:46] <alex_mayorga> sskalnik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1#General
[19:48] <sskalnik> Thanks, alex_mayorga
[19:51] <alex_mayorga> sskalnik: np
[19:53] <Pici> FernandoMiguel: eh, whats up?
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> Pici: just trying to guide sskalnik.... I read something you said about admin group a few weeks back
[19:54] <Pici> FernandoMiguel: That would be news to me, I didn't know that we were switching to the 'sudo' group.
[19:55] <Pici> Maybe you're thinking of Pitti?
[19:55] <FernandoMiguel> maybe
[19:55] <FernandoMiguel> sorry
[19:56] <nhaines> Pici: surprise.  :)
[19:56] <Pici> Its okay, I'm used to getting his hilights.
[21:06] <yofel> hm, recently I'm getting "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out" after every apt-get update
[21:06] <yofel> anyone an idea where that comes from?
[21:08] <trism> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/898891
[21:08] <yofel> thanks :)
[21:28] <BluesKaj> trism, yeah i had the same error , the fix worked for me as well, thks
[23:30] <atdiehm_lappy> well I upgraded to kernel 3.2 because I was instructed in forums to upgrade to 3.2 to get support for my touchpad, however, now the right click button won't register, and the left click doesn't work with dragging ... and I don't know where to go to try and debug this
[23:30] <atdiehm_lappy> I'm running 11.10, but with the 3.2 kernel
[23:30] <atdiehm_lappy> but the same issues are in 12.04, and I could boot into that if it helped
[23:31] <atdiehm_lappy> since it was the same situation, I've stayed win 11.10 with the updated kernel