[00:14] <BillHicks> hi
[00:14] <BillHicks> everyone
[00:15] <BillHicks> can anyone help me with a no-backlight problem
[00:15] <BillHicks> when logging in to ubuntu latest version
[00:15] <BillHicks> using acer laptop
[00:15] <BillHicks> with W7 as primary OS
[00:16] <holstein> i would try a few different kernels
[00:16] <holstein> i would do this by just burning a few LIVE CD's too if you dont want to fiddle with your system much
[00:17] <holstein> trying the 10.04, and a daily 12.04 live would give you somre pretty decent data to work with
[00:17] <BillHicks> holstein is this a troubleshoot to my problemÉ
[00:17] <BillHicks> ?
[00:18] <holstein> BillHicks: its one way to go
[00:18] <BillHicks> oh
[00:18] <BillHicks> ur talking to me :P
[00:18] <BillHicks> well the thing is
[00:18] <holstein> you can also just google 'ubuntu my graphics card version'
[00:18] <holstein> and see what comes up
[00:18] <BillHicks> I installed on my other pc it worked just fine
[00:18] <BillHicks> its not working with my laptop
[00:18] <holstein> sure.. different graphics cards... different hardware
[00:18] <holstein> the hardware is the issue
[00:18] <BillHicks> ; __ ; but hwy
[00:18] <BillHicks> whyyyy
[00:19] <holstein> its different
[00:19] <holstein> different vendors
[00:19] <BillHicks> so i cant have the latest version?
[00:19] <holstein> you should search for your graphics card type and see if there is a linux driver for it
[00:19] <geirha> defferent vendors, different answers to the question "What's linux?"
[00:20] <BillHicks> Oooo Geirha :D hi
[00:20] <BillHicks> !
[00:20] <holstein> BillHicks: you can have whatever you want, you can force different drivers.. you can write your own driver.. you can call the company and ask them to make one...
[00:20] <geirha> Some make drivers for linux, some only make drivers for windows
[00:20] <holstein> linux/ubuntu cant make one, if the information on how to make one is not shared
[00:20] <BillHicks> I dont know what a driver is
[00:21] <holstein> BillHicks: you dont have to... you just dont have one for your graphics card
[00:21] <geirha> In the latter case, the open source community might ship in and make one, but they don't always work 100%
[00:21] <holstein> or thats what i think the issue is
[00:21] <BillHicks> >.< computers are so complicated
[00:22] <holstein> its so easy to try live CD's, i usually suggest just going that route til something works
[00:22] <BillHicks> too much
[00:22] <BillHicks> so u mean
[00:22] <holstein> BillHicks: let your vendor know you are having issues
[00:22] <BillHicks> to put it in simple words
[00:22] <BillHicks> i should contact ubuntu to ask them for a cd with the iso on it É
[00:22] <BillHicks> ?
[00:22] <holstein> BillHicks: whoever made your card
[00:22] <holstein> we are ubuntu ;)
[00:22] <holstein> you and I.. and everyone else
[00:22] <BillHicks> touchee
[00:23] <BillHicks> well this part of ubuntu is suffering
[00:23] <BillHicks> lol
[00:23] <holstein> BillHicks: ?
[00:23] <holstein> BillHicks: these drivers are not included in windows
[00:24] <BillHicks> I dont know what driver means....
[00:24] <holstein> if you would like a similar scenario where you purchase a machine, hit the button, and everything works.. you should try something like http://www.system76.com/
[00:24] <holstein> otherwise, planning your purchases around linux support is not a bad idea
[00:24] <BillHicks> nah i already have W7 for that
[00:25] <holstein> there is literally nothing ubuntu can do to support the hardware that the vendors do not give information about
[00:25] <holstein> when you think about how many devices the linux kernel does support, its quite amazing
[00:25] <BillHicks> there is literaly nothing ubuntu can do to work with my graphic card that the vendors dont give info about u mean
[00:26] <holstein> BillHicks: you can try the vesa driver
[00:26] <BillHicks> im sure it is
[00:26] <holstein> you can try other live CD's
[00:26] <Sidewinder1> BillHicks, Perhaps have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_driver for an explanation ob 'drivers.'
[00:26] <holstein> as i was saying before...
[00:26] <holstein> i use several live CD's regularly for troubleshooting purposes
[00:26] <holstein> http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
[00:27] <holstein> also some others for older hardware like puppy linux
[00:27] <holstein> with these live CD"s i can usually figure out what i need to do to get hardware support for those tricky graphics cards or other tricky hardware
[00:27] <philipballew> A driver is the code on the computer that talks to the hardware basically.
[00:27] <holstein> BillHicks: what graphics hardware do you have?
[00:28] <BillHicks> ill check for u
[00:28] <BillHicks> wait
[00:28] <holstein> BillHicks: you can always run ubuntu in something like virtualbox, inside windows 7
[00:28] <BillHicks> how can i know?
[00:28] <BillHicks> what graphic hardware i have
[00:28] <holstein> BillHicks: i typically open a web browser, go to google, and type in the model name
[00:29] <BillHicks> of my laptop?
[00:29] <holstein> or, i look to see if the operating system can report it to me
[00:29] <holstein> BillHicks: whatever device we are assuming you are having graphics driver issues on
[00:29] <BillHicks> do i type the model name of my laptop?
[00:30] <holstein> BillHicks: if you want
[00:30] <BillHicks> yeah found it
[00:30] <BillHicks> wait
[00:30] <holstein> if you arent comfortable with google, you can flip the machine over, and give me the model #
[00:30] <BillHicks> no no basic computing i can handle that
[00:32] <BillHicks> Graphics Card
[00:32] <BillHicks> Integrated 3D graphics
[00:32] <BillHicks> Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M with up to 1759 MB of Intel® Dynamic Video Memory Technology 5.0 (64 MB of dedicated system memory, up to 1695 MB of shared system memory), supporting Microsoft® DirectX® 10
[00:33] <holstein> hmmm... typically intel is well supported
[00:33] <holstein> BillHicks: what ubuntu version are you trying? and how are you trying it?
[00:33] <holstein> i suggest to you to try http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[00:33] <BillHicks> http://markuswalther.com/tech/backlight.html
[00:34] <holstein> ^ download that, burn it to CD, or make a USB stick with http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[00:34] <BillHicks> oooh ty :D
[00:34] <holstein> try it LIVE first
[00:34] <holstein> BillHicks: do you know what i mean by 'try it live' ?
[00:34] <Sidewinder1> !md5sum
[00:34] <ubot2> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[00:34] <BillHicks> oh yes you mean try it before installing it :D
[00:35] <holstein> BillHicks: there are live linux CD's which give you the option of trying them before installing and messing with the hard drive at all
[00:35] <holstein> the above iso has that option...
[00:42] <BillHicks> k cool ill try all of that later on
[00:42] <BillHicks> its just sad that i cant have 11.10
[00:43] <BillHicks> I wanted another version before that and it was a pain in the bu*t to instal it
[00:43] <holstein> sad? well you can... you can likely install and upgrade, and all would be fine
[00:43] <BillHicks> and so i was like okey ill take 11.10 :( and this one doesnt work either
[00:44] <BillHicks> what do u mean instal and upgrade
[00:44] <holstein> BillHicks: yeah, but actually , the graphics bug you are experiencing is still there in that kernel
[00:44] <BillHicks> o.o
[00:44] <holstein> BillHicks: the kernel is likely to be patched at some point hopefully
[00:44] <holstein> to fix that issue
[00:44] <holstein> intel hardware is typically well supported
[00:44] <holstein> and that link you found tells you how to fix it
[00:45] <BillHicks> ot so simple, but quite easy if you did not change /etc/boot.local, /etc/rc.local, or /etc/sudoers for your own purposes.
[00:45] <BillHicks> Extract the archive backlight_control.tar.gz on your computer. Open a terminal. Be sure to be root. Type
[00:45] <BillHicks> ./sbrinst OS mode
[00:45] <BillHicks> OS can be one of 'suse' or 'ubuntu'
[00:45] <BillHicks> mode can be one of 'install' or 'uninstall'
[00:45] <BillHicks> sbrinst needs to know which brightness adjustment matches your laptop. So, there is a little test. As you can see below in the setbrightness script, for some laptops FF means maximum brightness, for others 00. This test should find out which of them matches.
[00:45] <BillHicks> Note: If you receive a warning like "Your device ID does not match the default (00:02.0)" then go on and replace 00:02.0 with the correct ID in /bin/setbrightness line 42 (DEVICE='00:02.0 F4.B'). You also will have to set the DIRECTION flag manually (DIRECTION=0 means that 00 gains maximal brightness, DIRECTION=1 means that FF is the brightest setting).
[00:45] <BillHicks> do i do this on windowsÉ
[00:45] <BillHicks> ?
[00:46] <BillHicks> its from the l;ink i found :)
[00:46] <holstein> BillHicks: again, thats why for you i suggest trying the 10.04, and the daily 12.04 live CD's
[00:47] <holstein> i mean, i feel like i might be motivated to wade through that information if i had the machine in front of me, but its not trivial
[00:47] <BillHicks> but u just said i can try the 11.10
[00:47] <holstein> right, and you have
[00:47] <BillHicks> i didnt enjoy it yet
[00:47] <BillHicks> ; __ ; the screen is black
[00:47] <BillHicks> oh alright fine
[00:48] <BillHicks> ill got with 10.04
[00:48] <BillHicks> and one day ill have the latest version
[00:48] <holstein> 10.04 *is* the latest LTS version
[00:48] <BillHicks> LTS?
[00:48] <holstein> long term support
[00:49] <BillHicks> ooo and what is the 11.10 then?
[00:49] <holstein> well, i like to personally call the non LTS releases 'testing'.. but thats not necessarily true/fair
[00:49] <BillHicks> it has an interesting name too
[00:49] <BillHicks> okay wait
[00:49] <BillHicks> does the 10.04 has a cool desktop layout like 11.10 too?
[00:50] <holstein> if you mean 'is 10.04 running unity? ' the answer is no
[00:50] <BillHicks> running unity
[00:50] <holstein> its running gnome 2 by default
[00:50] <BillHicks> no no
[00:50] <BillHicks> i mean
[00:50] <BillHicks> like
[00:50] <holstein> there are lots of different DE
[00:50] <BillHicks> does it look like vista%
[00:50] <holstein> im not sure.. it can i suppose
[00:51] <BillHicks> alright ill just google it
[00:51] <BillHicks> it looks like apple
[00:51] <BillHicks> ...
[00:51] <holstein> google what? makind ubuntu 10.40 look like vista?
[00:51] <holstein> linux is open
[00:52] <holstein> this is all open source software.. it can literally look however you want it to look
[00:52] <holstein> out of the box, 10.04 has 2 panels
[00:52] <BillHicks> :O i can see that
[00:52] <holstein> osx has one
[00:52] <holstein> vista has one?
[00:52] <BillHicks> in other pictures they have black taskbars
[00:52] <BillHicks> AWESOME
[00:52] <BillHicks> im getting that version then :3
[00:52] <holstein> you can delete one, and put it up at the top or bottom
[00:53] <BillHicks> thank you alot for your help!
[00:53] <holstein> or the side.. litereally whatever you want
[00:53] <holstein> BillHicks: sure
[00:53] <BillHicks> ur awesome :3
[00:53] <BillHicks> thanks alot
[00:53] <BillHicks> brb
[01:44] <dorkrock2> hey. what is a good project for a linux beginner? I mean, a setup or something that would serve as a learning experience?
[01:46] <stlsaint> dorkrock2: what you mean?
[01:48] <dorkrock2> well, I am interested in using linux, but I have no motivation to learn beyond normal usage. a project, like some kind of server or router setup, could teach me things... but I don't know what exactly linux can accomplish in that regard
[01:50] <stlsaint> well seems like your not that interested if your not motivated to learn it :\
[01:51] <holstein> !ssh
[01:51] <ubot2> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)
[01:51] <holstein> dorkrock2: ^
[01:51] <stlsaint> there are many projects...first choose a specific area and start there
[01:52] <dorkrock2> good point, bad phrasing on my part, I'm motivated but lack a direction
[01:53] <stlsaint> choose a area first then we can help better
[01:54] <dorkrock2> holstein: so I can set up a linux box as a SSH server? what can I do with it?
[01:55] <holstein> dorkrock2: anything you would do locally on that machine in the command line
[01:56] <holstein> connect to it via sftp
[01:56] <dorkrock2> well that's my problem, I'm staring at a blinking command line on my laptop and don't know what I want or can do with it
[01:56] <holstein> dorkrock2: start with.. what do you want to do?
[01:57] <dorkrock2> no idea haha
[01:57] <holstein> you can go lots of ways here.. are you into web development? servers? graphics? audio?
[01:59] <dorkrock2> of those 4 I'm into music the most, I also would like to start learning programming, so perhaps a music player and web browser
[01:59] <dorkrock2> can you do that through SSH?
[02:00] <holstein> its all open, so in theory, you can do anything
[02:01] <dorkrock2> ok, I guess I have an idea of what to do then
[02:03] <dorkrock2> thanks you two
[06:43] <billhicks> hi
[06:44] <billhicks> LD
[06:44] <billhicks> :D
[06:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hello
[06:44] <bioterror> billhicks, we have #ubuntu-beginners-team for chatting, people tends to keep this channel as a support channel
[06:44] <billhicks> no no i did come here for support
[06:44] <bioterror> that's the place where you can find all your favourite ubt members and have conversations with them ;)
[06:44] <billhicks> lol
[06:45] <billhicks> Earlier today and yesterday I was trying to instal ubuntu
[06:45] <billhicks> well i just became succesful
[06:45] <billhicks> in that
[06:45] <billhicks> and it worked
[06:45] <billhicks> so i just wanted to thank the 3 members that helped me
[06:45] <billhicks> one of them is geirha
[06:46] <billhicks> and 2 others with long names -.= im sorry i dont remember them
[06:46] <billhicks> but yeah thanks
[06:46] <billhicks> I ended up using the version 10.04 for my laptop instead of uberstudent but its ok i like this version :D
[06:46] <billhicks> i have a couple of last questions
[06:47] <billhicks> whats good program to use instead of vlc...
[06:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> billhicks: try to keep all you want to tell in a single para, so that it will be easy for us to read. multi-lines often make us confused =]
[06:47] <billhicks> ooo >.< sorry and also one of the other two memebers is holstein so thanks holstein for suggesting 10.04
[06:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> We prefer VLC player at the most. Other than VLC I used mplayer. But I am not sure whether it will satify you.
[06:50] <billhicks> oh. well i tried to download it but it didnt work i guess ill try it again later on
[06:51] <Snicksie> as far as I remember, VLC can be installed from the ubuntu software center too ;)
[06:52] <bioterror> yes it can
[06:53] <bioterror> and VLC has all the most needed codecs
[06:53] <bioterror> you dont have to play with gstream-ugly-bad-good-whatever
[06:55] <billhicks> ugh ill try that. I think i just did something wrong i guess. I thought vlc wasnt compatible with ubuntu this is why i came here to ask you guys
[07:55] <deper29> hey guys, quick question. anytime I boot up in ubuntu, it shows me different kernels I can choose from. Is there anyway to make that list smaller? or hide options?
[07:58] <bodhizazen> deper29, remove the old kernels
[07:58] <deper29> how do I do that?
[07:58] <bodhizazen> from synaptic or the software center or from the command line
[07:59] <bodhizazen> apt-get pure <your_old_kernel>
[08:00] <deper29> is there an easy way to get a list of all my kernels?
[08:02] <bodhizazen> ls /boot | grep vmlinuz
[08:02] <bodhizazen> or search in synaptic, they will be listed there
[08:02] <deper29> thanks :)
[08:02] <bodhizazen> np
[08:03] <bodhizazen> In Fedora they only keep 3 kernels, more then 2 older ones are automatically removed
[08:04] <deper29> ahh
[10:54] <deper29> okay, I did this on my system: sudo apt-get remove --purge 2.6.32*
[10:55] <deper29> it seemed to remove all of my kernels, and now when I boot up, I have the option of memtest or windows
[10:55] <deper29> help?
[11:04] <deper29> anyone?
[11:05] <coalwater> hi
[11:05] <coalwater> give me a sec to read lol
[11:05] <deper29> thanks :)
[11:06] <bioterror> deper29, chroot
[11:06] <coalwater> there was a nice gui for that
[11:06] <coalwater> ubuntu tweek could do it
[11:06] <bioterror> deper29, boot ubuntu cd/usb, mount few devices and your /, then chroot into that and install kernels
[11:06] <bioterror> !chroot
[11:06] <ubot2> A chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[11:07] <deper29> bioterror: what do you mean mount few devices and / ?
[11:07] <coalwater> he wants to remove the kernels not add them
[11:07] <coalwater> or what
[11:07] <deper29> I have no kernels
[11:08] <coalwater> = root
[11:08] <coalwater>  / =root
[11:08] <deper29> how do I mount? and what am I mounting?
[11:09] <coalwater> i dont really know, so bio should do the answering :D
[11:09] <coalwater> deper29: do u want to delete  or hide or add kernels?
[11:09] <deper29> add
[11:09] <deper29> I removed all of them
[11:09] <deper29> by accident :(
[11:09] <coalwater> o ok
[11:09] <coalwater> so ull do a usb/cd boot
[11:10] <deper29> so I can only boot into windows now
[11:10] <deper29> okay
[11:11] <coalwater> then do the mounting, and chroot, then pretend ur installign a new kernel, the live session will install on ur actualy hdd version thinking its the running one, that's basicly what he's to say i think
[11:11] <deper29> when you say do the mounting, what am I mounting?
[11:12] <deper29> I'm not exactly sure how to install a new kernel either, they always installed whenever update manager said I had updates
[11:12] <coalwater> i dont know where the kernels are actually located, maybe /boot or /root or smething
[11:12] <bioterror> hmmmm
[11:12] <deper29> I'm just trying to document all of this since I won't have access to you guys when I try this :P
[11:13] <coalwater> why not, u can still go on line with a live session
[11:13] <bioterror> if you dont have a separate /boot
[11:13] <bioterror> then you mount your currently "broken" / to /mnt
[11:14] <bioterror> then you mount your /dev/sys and /dev/proc with "-o bind" to /mnt/proc/ and /mnt/sys
[11:14] <deper29> hold on, I'll boot the live cd
[11:14] <deper29> thanks for the help guys :) talk with you shortly
[11:28] <deper29> hey, I'm on now
[11:29] <deper29> so what do I do in here?
[11:29] <bioterror> open terminal
[11:29] <deper29> k
[11:29] <bioterror> sudo blkid
[11:29] <bioterror> and pastebin the output
[11:29] <deper29> k
[11:30] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760312/
[11:31] <bioterror> nice
[11:31] <deper29> ?
[11:31] <bioterror> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[11:31] <deper29> what was nice? :P
[11:31] <deper29> and that's done
[11:33] <bioterror> sudo mount -o bind /proc/ /mnt/proc
[11:33] <deper29> k
[11:33] <bioterror> sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
[11:33] <bioterror> sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
[11:33] <bioterror> chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash
[11:34] <deper29> I have to sudo that last one I think
[11:34] <bioterror> yes
[11:34] <deper29> k
[11:35] <bioterror> now I have to remember what was the kerne named :D
[11:35] <bioterror> kernel
[11:36] <deper29> mmmmm
[11:36] <deper29> 2.6.38 something
[11:36] <deper29> generic I believe
[11:36] <deper29> and it was a 64 bit
[11:36] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[11:37] <deper29> will it install 64 bit automatically?
[11:37] <bioterror> ofcourse
[11:37] <deper29> :)
[11:38] <deper29> okay, i'm getting a few errors. I'll pastebin
[11:39] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760318/
[11:40] <bioterror> that computer has no network?
[11:40] <deper29> it should
[11:40] <bioterror> it's the same where you are now ircing?
[11:40] <deper29> yeah
[11:40] <deper29> lol
[11:40] <bioterror> what's that
[11:40] <bioterror> :D
[11:41] <deper29> what's what?
[11:41] <bioterror> that whining about hostnames
[11:41] <deper29> I have no clue :/
[11:41] <deper29> maybe it's a sign I should be studying :P
[11:41] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:42] <bioterror> it's not that bad situation :D
[11:42] <deper29> hehe
[11:42] <bioterror> deper29, sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/<tab complete a kernel here>
[11:43] <deper29> it's still doing it's thing, should I stop it?
[11:43] <bioterror> doing what?
[11:43] <bioterror> downloading something or what?
[11:43] <deper29> yeah
[11:44] <bioterror> no, dont stop then
[11:44] <bioterror> if it is installing a kernel?
[11:44] <bioterror> or is it?
[11:44] <deper29> it's going really slowly because my network is awful
[11:44] <deper29> it says connecting to ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <deper29> 20%
[11:44] <deper29> actually, not my network. this r8169 realtek driver bs
[11:54] <deper29> bioterror: I it finally finished the install linux-generic.
[11:54] <deper29> should I do the dpkg now?
[11:55] <bioterror> no
[11:55] <bioterror> now you do: sudo os-probe
[11:55] <bioterror> and then
[11:55] <bioterror> sudo update-grub
[11:55] <deper29> while i'm chroot?
[11:55] <bioterror> yes
[11:55] <deper29> k
[11:55] <deper29> sudo: os-probe: command not found
[11:55] <bioterror> sorry
[11:56] <bioterror> os-prober
[11:56] <deper29> k
[11:56] <deper29> done and done
[11:56] <bioterror> okay
[11:56] <bioterror> now now can press ctrl+d
[11:56] <bioterror> and you should be out of chroot
[11:56] <bioterror> right?
[11:56] <deper29> yup!
[11:57] <deper29> reboot?
[11:58] <bioterror> wait
[11:58] <deper29> k
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo mount /mnt/sys
[11:58] <bioterror> sorr
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt/sys
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt/dev
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt/proc
[11:59] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt
[11:59] <bioterror> and reboot
[11:59] <deper29> okay
[11:59] <deper29> back shortly
[11:59] <deper29> hopefully in the proper one :D
[12:02] <bioterror> did it work?
[12:02] <deper29> bioterror: no dice :(
[12:03] <deper29> I'm in windows now, I'll boot back into live cd I suppose
[12:03] <bioterror> hmmmm
[12:03] <deper29> had to pick something when I rebooted :P
[12:03] <deper29> back shortly again
[12:03] <geirha> Sure you're booting the right harddisk?
[12:03] <deper29> yup
[12:03] <deper29> certain of that
[12:06] <bioterror> remember kids, do not use wildcards when removing unneeded kernels
[12:07] <geirha> hehe. Now I'm tempted to try sudo apt-get remove "*" in a VM
[12:08] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol
[12:08] <bioterror> dpkg -purge glibc
[12:08] <bioterror> :D
[12:08] <bioterror> --purge even
[12:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror: Simply I can try 'sudo rm -rf' instead of wasting time with all other small commands ;D
[12:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> err missed /
[12:09] <bioterror> sudo rm -rf /*
[12:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror: try it in your machine and tell me what happens :D
[12:11] <MaynardJKeenan> Heyyy awesome
[12:11] <MaynardJKeenan> im on irc from xchat
[12:12] <MaynardJKeenan> im so proud
[12:12] <MaynardJKeenan> :3
[12:12] <bobweaver> Hello there i am trying to install BURG and am at this step  sudo burg-install "(hd0)"    But I do not know how to substitute ‘hd0′  with the drive on which MY MBR is installed.   What is master boot record ?
[12:12] <geirha> IAmNotThatGuy: /msg shbot rm -rf /*
[12:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> MaynardJKeenan: Wrong channel. /join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[12:12] <deper29> back
[12:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> geirha: ;P
[12:12] <MaynardJKeenan> alright will do :3
[12:13] <bobweaver> this is the link that I am using http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1679-how-to-install-burg-in-ubuntu-
[12:14] <deper29> bioterror: any other suggestions?
[12:14] <deper29> I imagine that should have worked the first time :/
[12:14] <geirha> IAmNotThatGuy: I'm serious, you can try it if you want. shbot is a bot that runs shell commands in a VM. :) It doesn't run ubuntu though
[12:14] <bobweaver> geirha: like evalbot ?
[12:15] <bioterror> deper29, thinking now
[12:15] <IAmNotThatGuy> oh! thanks geirha =]
[12:15] <bobweaver> but with vm and not qemu >?
[12:15] <deper29> k
[12:15] <geirha> bobweaver: Yes, it's evalbot with some modifications
[12:15] <bobweaver> cool
[12:15] <geirha> qemu is vm software...
[12:16] <bobweaver> Oo
[12:16] <geirha> VM, Virtual Machine
[12:16] <bobweaver> sorry I meant vmware or virtual box or qemu < but not sure that I understand qemu all that well
[12:17] <bobweaver> only use for deb gnu hurd
[12:17] <bobweaver> and eval bot
[12:17] <geirha> All of those can run virtual machines; evalbot and shbot both use qemu
[12:17] <bobweaver> ahh cool
[12:18] <geirha> I don't have much exprience with vmware, but virtualbox is hell to control from the command line. qemu is much more suited on that part.
[12:18] <bobweaver> geirha: know any thing about BURG or grum themes ?
[12:18] <bobweaver> grub *
[12:19] <geirha> bobweaver: No, never even considered changing grub theme
[12:32] <deper29> bioterror: I found something similar to what you were directing me to do, but instead they had done install linux-image
[12:33] <bioterror> try it ;)
[12:33] <deper29> kk
[12:33] <deper29> fingers crossed...again :P
[12:45] <bioterror> deper29, still problem?
[12:45] <deper29> I'm on my system
[12:45] <deper29> :)
[12:45] <bioterror> yey
[12:45] <bioterror> it was linux-image then?
[12:45] <deper29> other problems arose
[12:45] <deper29> yup :)
[12:45] <deper29> now just trying to fix video and ethernet :P
[12:46] <deper29> thanks for your help :D
[12:46] <geirha> Now try removing the core component of your windows system and see how easy it is to fix that. :)
[12:46] <deper29> lol
[12:47] <geirha> deper29: Perhaps you're missing the modules
[12:47] <bioterror> yep
[12:47] <bioterror> re-install graphics drivers ;)
[12:47] <bioterror> catalyst if AMD/ATI, nvidia if nvidia ;)
[12:48] <geirha> I'm thinking linux-restricted-modules-<kernel version>
[12:56] <deper29> there we go, video and ethernet working properlf
[12:56] <deper29> *properly
[12:56] <deper29> :)
[12:56] <bioterror> seems like you had fun with GNU/Linux operating system
[12:58] <deper29> yes :P
[13:01] <deper29> question, I am trying to update to a 2.6.38 kernel using this guide http://ubuntuguide.net/install-latest-kernel-2-6-37-2-6-38-in-ubuntu-10-04-from-ppa
[13:02] <deper29> but when I go to install the linux-headers, it says it couldn't find it
[13:02] <deper29> any idea why?
[13:03] <geirha> did the apt-get update complain about not getting the package list from that ppa?
[13:04] <coalwater> ls
[13:04] <coalwater> ls
[13:05] <coalwater> loool
[13:05] <coalwater> forgot im on irssi
[13:05] <geirha> ls: command not found
[13:05] <deper29> geirha: this was what I got at the end of my output http://paste.ubuntu.com/760384/
[13:06] <coalwater> lol
[13:06] <geirha> deper29: That seems to be a different ppa
[13:06] <coalwater> my netbeans broke :(
[13:07] <geirha> aww, here, you can borrow my vim
[13:07] <deper29> geirha: those are the only ones it's having troubles with
[13:08] <bobweaver> anyone know how to find out what mbr is on my machine ?
[13:08] <geirha> deper29: Then the ppa probably doesn't contain those linux-headers packages anymore. Possibly replaced with a newer version. Do a search;  apt-cache search ^linux-headers
[13:08] <coalwater> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760389/
[13:09] <deper29> I got a ton of stuff in there haha
[13:11] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760394/
[13:12] <geirha> And which version are you currently using?  uname -r
[13:12] <deper29> 2.6.32-36-generic
[13:13] <geirha> Well, seeing as that page is close to a year old, I'm guessing the ppa just doesn't have 2.6.38-1; it's got newer versions ...
[13:13] <deper29> I could probably just do linux-headers-2.6.38-13-generic right?
[13:14] <geirha> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages
[13:15] <geirha> Seems it only has 3.0.0 packages now
[13:15] <deper29> how do I install that?
[13:18] <geirha> Seems those newer kernels are already included in ubuntu-backports
[13:18] <deper29> ubuntu-backports?
[13:19] <geirha> !backports
[13:19] <ubot2> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[13:19] <deper29> also, I no longer have permission to read my log file in administration >> logfile viewer
[13:19] <deper29> thanks
[15:36] <s-fox> Hello.
[16:17] <coalwater> hi s-fox
[16:17] <s-fox> Hello coalwater
[17:05] <r4y> I am trying to update grub from a live cd. How do I do that?
[17:13] <coalwater> update like how ? r4y
[17:14] <coalwater> there's a nexie pixel vid for that lol
[17:16] <r4y> Sorry I was Googling
[17:16] <r4y> I tried sudo update-grub already
[17:17] <coalwater> try grub-update
[17:18] <r4y> I tried that as well
[17:18] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760637/
[17:18] <r4y> I omitted that though
[17:18] <coalwater> o yea, u need to mount
[17:18] <r4y> I tried mounting and unmounting with Disk Utility
[17:19] <coalwater> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lod8sRb_6I this vid might help a bit lol, just do upgrade instead of install
[17:21] <r4y> Installing flash first
[17:39] <coalwater> well, i hope you figure it out r4y where ever u are , i gotta go
[19:56] <sandjkirkland> testing connection
[20:53] <ztag100> hey
[20:54] <ztag100> need some help
[23:32] <macPawns> i need some serious help
[23:33] <macPawns> my touchpad has stopped working. fresh install 11.04 i386
[23:41] <MaynardJKeenan> did it work before?
[23:41] <macPawns> yes
[23:42] <macPawns> i have installed a few times and it had issues with multitouch
[23:42] <macPawns> but then i solved that
[23:42] <macPawns> everything was hokey dorey
[23:42] <macPawns> now
[23:42] <macPawns> it stopped, not showing under xinput list
[23:42] <macPawns> having to use usb mouse
[23:43] <macPawns> i reinstalled, still nothing
[23:44] <MaynardJKeenan> because when i installed ubuntu 10.04
[23:44] <MaynardJKeenan> my touchpad on my laptop still works but i cant zoom in with it anymore or basicly place 2 fingers at a time
[23:44] <macPawns> i tried 10.04 and the wifi didn't work
[23:44] <macPawns> 11.10 same thing
[23:44] <macPawns> 11.04 seemed to work
[23:46] <macPawns> i installed java
[23:47] <macPawns> then randomly it stopped
[23:49] <macPawns> now it doesn't show under xinput list
[23:58] <macPawns> ???
[23:59] <ashams> macPawns, can you see it in /proc/bus/input/devices