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| jdstrand | hi! | 18:06 |
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| mdeslaur | hi! | 18:06 |
| tyhicks | hello! | 18:06 |
| jdstrand | #startmeeting | 18:06 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Dec 5 18:06:51 2011 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 18:06 |
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| jdstrand | The meeting agenda can be found at: | 18:07 |
| jdstrand | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 18:07 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Announcements | 18:07 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements | ||
| jdstrand | Thanks to the following people who helped Ubuntu Security last week: | 18:07 |
| jdstrand | * Gabriel A. von Winckler (winckler) for the phpldapadmin debdiffs | 18:07 |
| jdstrand | * Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li> for the request-tracker3.8 debdiff | 18:07 |
| jdstrand | * Arnaud Quette (Uzuul) for help in updating the nut qa-regression-testing script (LP: #894476) | 18:07 |
| jdstrand | Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure! :) | 18:08 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report | 18:08 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report | ||
| jdstrand | I'll go first | 18:08 |
| jdstrand | last week was 'interesting' in that I did quite a bit, but not what I said I would :P | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | that said, I am in the happy place again and I have several updates I am working on | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | several MIR audits need to still be done that have been backburnered for too long | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | assuming I can actually do those things, I will do some work items | 18:10 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur: you're up | 18:10 |
| mdeslaur | I'm on community this week | 18:10 |
| mdeslaur | and I have some updates for colord, commons-daemon and dovecot that I need to test and release | 18:11 |
| mdeslaur | besides that, I'm looking into the ffmpeg/libav issues | 18:11 |
| mdeslaur | and will pick up some other stuff from the list | 18:11 |
| mdeslaur | that's it from me | 18:11 |
| mdeslaur | micahg: you're up | 18:11 |
| * jdstrand guesses he could get more specific: updates are for vsftpd, python-django and quassel | 18:11 | |
| micahg | working on updates, patch pilot, planning Firefox rapid release migration for lucid/maverick | 18:13 |
| micahg | also starting to plan for webkit 1.6 migration as well | 18:13 |
| micahg | that's it for me | 18:14 |
| micahg | tyhicks: you're up | 18:14 |
| tyhicks | I'm in the happy place this week | 18:14 |
| mdeslaur | micahg: 1.6 or 1.8? | 18:14 |
| * tyhicks waits | 18:14 | |
| micahg | mdeslaur: 1.6 first, then 1.8 if we choose that for precise | 18:14 |
| micahg | to clarify: 1.6 in all stable releases | 18:15 |
| tyhicks | I am currently finishing up testing a fix for a private bug | 18:15 |
| tyhicks | I need to make some progress on my update queue and I'll probably focus on bzip2 first | 18:16 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur: do you have an eta on the 1.8 decision? are you participating in that discussion? | 18:16 |
| jdstrand | err | 18:16 |
| jdstrand | micahg: ^ | 18:16 |
| micahg | jdstrand: haven't heard back, will check with the Desktop team this week | 18:16 |
| jdstrand | tyhicks: didn't mdeslaur take bzip2? | 18:16 |
| tyhicks | jdstrand: nope - he took it and then gave it back :) | 18:16 |
| mdeslaur | jdstrand: nope | 18:16 |
| jdstrand | ah, sneaky | 18:17 |
| tyhicks | So I'll bet there is something exciting waiting there for me ;) | 18:17 |
| mdeslaur | tyhicks: nah | 18:17 |
| mdeslaur | trivial fix | 18:17 |
| tyhicks | mdeslaur: I do need to coordinate with you regarding the t1lib update | 18:17 |
| tyhicks | mdeslaur: Shall I run with it from here on? | 18:18 |
| mdeslaur | tyhicks: sure | 18:18 |
| mdeslaur | tyhicks: just make sure I didn't regress anything with the patch | 18:18 |
| mdeslaur | although I don't know how that could happen | 18:19 |
| tyhicks | mdeslaur: Will do | 18:19 |
| tyhicks | I need to patch, test, and upstream a fix for the eCryptfs statfs() max filename length reporting bug (LP: #885744) | 18:19 |
| tyhicks | Finally, I'd like to get a 'make check' set up in ecryptfs-utils for eCryptfs tr | 18:19 |
| tyhicks | oops... that is "eCryptfs trunk tests" | 18:20 |
| jjohansen | tyhicks: do you have the patch for that one already? | 18:20 |
| tyhicks | jjohansen: nope | 18:20 |
| jjohansen | tyhicks: I might, let me check | 18:20 |
| tyhicks | ok, great | 18:20 |
| tyhicks | jjohansen: You're up - that's it for me | 18:21 |
| jjohansen | This week I will hopefully finish squashing the bugs around aa namespaces and get fake stacking up in a ppa so the server team can start integrating with it. | 18:21 |
| jjohansen | I also need to testing on the new __d_path api, and once that is settled move apparmor to using it. Oh and write some documentation for them on using it. | 18:21 |
| mdeslaur | jjohansen: did you find a solution to that? | 18:21 |
| jjohansen | oh and I guess I will try to publish a few kernel usns without breaking things | 18:21 |
| jjohansen | mdeslaur: yes al viro, created a new api | 18:22 |
| mdeslaur | jjohansen: cool, so we don't lose anything? | 18:22 |
| jjohansen | mdeslaur: we shouldn't but I haven't tested the api, nor changed the patch to it yet | 18:22 |
| mdeslaur | jjohansen: ok | 18:22 |
| jjohansen | mdeslaur: if not we do have a fall back that is I think 100% but its a lot more work as it relies on us getting our labeling in shape | 18:23 |
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| mdeslaur | hrm | 18:23 |
| jjohansen | ie. work not planned for this cycle | 18:23 |
| * mdeslaur crosses fingers | 18:23 | |
| * jdstrand keeps fingers and toes crossed | 18:23 | |
| jjohansen | oh, and not on disk labeling | 18:23 |
| jjohansen | thats it from me | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Highlighted packages | 18:24 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages | ||
| jdstrand | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cableswig.html | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gforge.html | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ejabberd.html | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/opensaml2.html | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xmlsec1.html | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | opensaml2 and xmlsec1 should only need a merge from Debian per http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/ | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 18:26 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions | ||
| jdstrand | I have one thing | 18:26 |
| jdstrand | last week I did a work items analysis which culminated in http://people.canonical.com/~jamie/wi/precise-canonical-security.html | 18:27 |
| jdstrand | that page is rough, but it gives a percent completed and sums the days we initially estimated to complete the work | 18:27 |
| tyhicks | nice! | 18:28 |
| jdstrand | because we commit to essential and try hard to get all our high work items, there are separate stats for them | 18:28 |
| tyhicks | jdstrand: I think I spot a small mistake in my row | 18:28 |
| jdstrand | it should also be updated automatically via cron based on the work items tracker output | 18:28 |
| jdstrand | tyhicks: I don't doubt it :) let's talk after the meeting | 18:29 |
| tyhicks | sounds good :) | 18:29 |
| jdstrand | so, the is preliminary of course | 18:29 |
| jdstrand | but in general, I think looking at essential and high, the work is properly loaded | 18:30 |
| jdstrand | we can discuss specifics in #ubuntu-hardened after the meeting if there aer questions | 18:30 |
| jdstrand | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 18:30 |
| jdstrand | 'work is properly loaded' sounds funny. I should say 'the work load is correctly distributed' | 18:31 |
| jdstrand | ok, thanks everybody! | 18:33 |
| jdstrand | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Dec 5 18:33:20 2011 UTC. | 18:33 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-05-18.06.moin.txt | 18:33 |
| mdeslaur | thanks jdstrand! | 18:33 |
| tyhicks | thanks jdstrand | 18:33 |
| micahg | thanks jdstrand | 18:33 |
| mdeslaur | thanks jdstrand | 18:39 |
| * stgraber waves | 19:02 | |
| * micahg waves | 19:03 | |
| tumbleweed | . | 19:03 |
| jtaylor | hi | 19:03 |
| micahg | bdrung: DMB meeting? | 19:04 |
| tumbleweed | and jbicha isn't online... | 19:04 |
| stgraber | and I didn't see a reply to Laney's e-mail either | 19:04 |
| micahg | geser: we have quorum for the first part of the meeting :) | 19:04 |
| geser | ok, let's begin | 19:05 |
| geser | #startmeeting | 19:05 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Dec 5 19:05:16 2011 UTC. The chair is geser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 19:05 |
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| geser | Welcome to the Developer Membership Board meeting | 19:05 |
| geser | #topic Review of previous action items | 19:06 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review of previous action items | ||
| geser | * Laney to document package set application process | 19:07 |
| geser | what's the status of this? | 19:07 |
| tumbleweed | looks done | 19:07 |
| micahg | geser: Laney isn't around ATM, but looks does | 19:07 |
| geser | ok | 19:07 |
| geser | * micahg to ping all packageset teams to get a description we can use for future changes | 19:08 |
| micahg | geser: not done yet, will try to have that finished before the next meeting | 19:08 |
| geser | ok, is there a wiki page documentating the ones you got already a response? | 19:09 |
| micahg | I haven't sent out the initial mails yet :( | 19:09 |
| geser | ok | 19:09 |
| geser | * tumbleweed to create private DMB channel for realtime use during meetings | 19:09 |
| geser | this is done | 19:10 |
| tumbleweed | it's currently invite-only, so not useful for people with questions | 19:10 |
| tumbleweed | (unless they get invited) | 19:10 |
| geser | * jbicha to create a list of packages from the .modules files for the desktop-extra package set | 19:11 |
| geser | did we get that list? (I haven't checked my mails today yet) | 19:11 |
| tumbleweed | nope | 19:11 |
| tumbleweed | and no sign of him | 19:11 |
| geser | so the "desktop-extra" package set is on hold too, right? | 19:11 |
| tumbleweed | oh, hang on, he's online again | 19:12 |
| tumbleweed | I think I whoised him on the wrong network before... | 19:12 |
| tumbleweed | ...anyway, not here now... | 19:13 |
| * bdrung waves. | 19:13 | |
| geser | in which timezone does he live? is it a time zone problem? | 19:14 |
| stgraber | launchpad says US eastern | 19:14 |
| stgraber | so both timezones shouldn't be too bad if he can connect from work | 19:15 |
| geser | let's hope we get a list for the next meeting (to get this finally done) | 19:15 |
| geser | #topic MOTU application: Julian Taylor | 19:16 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: MOTU application: Julian Taylor | ||
| geser | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JulianTaylor/MOTUApplication | 19:16 |
| stgraber | yeah, I'm not against discussing it on the mailing-list so we don't need jbicha to be at the meeting. If we have the list and everything before, we can probably just vote on it | 19:16 |
| geser | jtaylor: your stage :) | 19:16 |
| stgraber | I don't think the package set was controversial or anything, we really just needed the list :) | 19:17 |
| jtaylor | hi, most of you have probably already seen me hanging around in the various ubuntu irc channels | 19:17 |
| jtaylor | I have now been involved in ubuntu and debian for almost a year in various areas, packaging, bug triaging, education | 19:18 |
| jtaylor | I was recently involved in a few transitions and tasks in ubuntu, namely as-needed fixing, dh_python2 transition and mono 2.10 transition | 19:19 |
| jtaylor | I now want to apply for motu membership to relieve the sponsors from some work :) | 19:19 |
| tumbleweed | 'bout time :) | 19:20 |
| stgraber | cool, so a few questions based on recent events :) are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce and read it usually within 24 hours of an e-mail getting on there? :) | 19:20 |
| jtaylor | yes I'm subscribed to -announce and -motu and usually read it at least once a day | 19:20 |
| stgraber | good | 19:21 |
| jtaylor | also -ubuntu-devel | 19:21 |
| jtaylor | (+ main debian lists) | 19:21 |
| stgraber | now we're on alpha-2 release week and you have some universe packages to upload, what do you check and what do you do? | 19:21 |
| jtaylor | before alpha the archive is a soft freeze to not distrupt the iso building | 19:22 |
| jtaylor | but so far I know that should only affect main | 19:22 |
| stgraber | nope, it doesn't, that's the tricky part :) | 19:23 |
| geser | s/main/packages on CDs/ | 19:23 |
| micahg | s/CDs/images/ | 19:23 |
| geser | and some flavours build from universe | 19:23 |
| * tumbleweed just wrote a tool to check that, I'd love reviews of it :) | 19:23 | |
| stgraber | basically anything that's seeded (be it main or universe) and that's not exclusively in the SUPPORTED seed | 19:24 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: I'd love to :) | 19:24 |
| stgraber | tumbleweed: awesome! | 19:24 |
| tumbleweed | [OT]: lp:~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/on-images-876554 | 19:25 |
| tumbleweed | back to regular programming... | 19:25 |
| jtaylor | ah ok, should I be accepted I'll of course check up with expericend members before every action I do | 19:25 |
| stgraber | jtaylor: so yeah, not touching anything on the ISO during a release week without poking the release team about it is the right answer, just be careful as we have quite a few of them in universe now | 19:25 |
| geser | jtaylor: no worry, I've to remember myself about this too when it's time for a soft freeze | 19:26 |
| tumbleweed | jtaylor: any ideas for dealing with bugs that remain unfixed forever? I suspect you doing your best to fix them all would lead to burnout rather than a real improvement... :/ | 19:27 |
| geser | tumbleweed: invent cloning :) | 19:28 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, we could use more jtaylors | 19:28 |
| jtaylor | I currently follow the procedure that when someone asks directly via email or irc about an annoying I try to get it fixed or at least on the right track | 19:28 |
| tumbleweed | sure, I do that too. But then we just fix the issues raised by people who know ubuntu-developers... | 19:29 |
| micahg | jtaylor: are you aware of how to get the relevant changelog entries into a .changes file and verify they're in there? | 19:30 |
| jtaylor | hm dpkg-genchanges creates the changes files, and you can read them with a text editor | 19:32 |
| micahg | jtaylor: right, but how do you make sure that the relevant entries are in there? default is just the last entry | 19:33 |
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| jtaylor | I don't know :/ | 19:34 |
| stgraber | micahg: you mean, like when merging from Debian? | 19:34 |
| micahg | jtaylor: if you pass -v to dpkg-buildpackage (or debuild) with the last version uploaded, you'll get all the entries after that version | 19:35 |
| micahg | stgraber: yes | 19:35 |
| jtaylor | ah it passes that to dpkg-genchanges | 19:36 |
| jtaylor | not scanned the manpage fast enough ;) | 19:36 |
| micahg | jtaylor: right :) | 19:36 |
| geser | any other questions? | 19:37 |
| * stgraber is ready to vote | 19:38 | |
| * micahg is ready | 19:39 | |
| geser | #vote Should Julian Taylor become a MOTU? | 19:39 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Should Julian Taylor become a MOTU? | 19:39 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 19:39 |
| tumbleweed | +1 [ I endorsed him ] | 19:39 |
| meetingology | +1 [ I endorsed him ] received from tumbleweed | 19:39 |
| geser | +1 | 19:39 |
| meetingology | +1 received from geser | 19:39 |
| stgraber | +1 | 19:39 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 19:39 |
| bdrung | +1 | 19:39 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdrung | 19:39 |
| micahg | +1 good packaging work, good interaction w/peers and community in general | 19:39 |
| meetingology | +1 good packaging work, good interaction w/peers and community in general received from micahg | 19:39 |
| geser | #endvote | 19:40 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Should Julian Taylor become a MOTU? | 19:40 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 19:40 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:40 |
| tumbleweed | that was easy | 19:40 |
| tumbleweed | jtaylor: congratulations | 19:40 |
| micahg | jtaylor: congratulations | 19:40 |
| jtaylor | thanks :) | 19:40 |
| stgraber | congrats! | 19:40 |
| geser | #topic Core Dev application: Micah Gersten | 19:41 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Core Dev application: Micah Gersten | ||
| geser | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg/CoreDevApplication | 19:41 |
| * micahg moves to the other side of the table | 19:41 | |
| geser | micahg: your stage | 19:41 |
| stgraber | ah yeah, right, he isn't a core dev :) | 19:41 |
| micahg | HI, I've been an Ubuntu developer for about 18 months now, working on various things, FTBFS, RC Bugs, Xubuntu, Mozilla stack | 19:42 |
| stgraber | win 40 | 19:43 |
| stgraber | doh :) | 19:43 |
| jbicha | and you helped keep | 19:43 |
| jbicha | Chromium going! | 19:43 |
| micahg | I enjoy solving problems (getting pkg-config and cmake to play nice was fun) | 19:44 |
| geser | micahg: what's the biggest difference between MOTU and core-dev in your eyes? | 19:44 |
| micahg | geser: Both are generalists, core-dev I believe is expected to know more about the possible impact of changes that updating a package can have on the rest of the archive, also be a driver of transitions and other release related activities (with consultation with the release team of course) | 19:47 |
| geser | based on the comments in your application, I guess there is no need to ask you questions about policies :) | 19:48 |
| micahg | A core-dev is also a leader that tries to help other developers DTRT or fix other issues | 19:48 |
| micahg | geser: I still have plenty to learn :) | 19:49 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: do you see any solutions to the latest-crack-in-PPAs issue you raise? | 19:49 |
| stgraber | micahg: so are you subscribed and reading -announce? :P | 19:49 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: well, the -backports team seems to have new life thanks to you and broder, I recently became a member of that team as well, I think we can leverage -backports for some of those packages, as for others, I don't think I have an answer for it ATM | 19:50 |
| * tumbleweed isn't even part of the team, but shh | 19:51 | |
| micahg | stgraber: yes, I post there sometimes as well :) | 19:51 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: you helped make tools :) | 19:51 |
| geser | any other questions? | 19:52 |
| * tumbleweed is done | 19:52 | |
| stgraber | nope | 19:52 |
| geser | #vote Should Micah Gersten become an Ubuntu Core-Dev? | 19:53 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Should Micah Gersten become an Ubuntu Core-Dev? | 19:53 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 19:53 |
| geser | +1 | 19:53 |
| meetingology | +1 received from geser | 19:53 |
| bdrung | +1 | 19:53 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdrung | 19:53 |
| stgraber | +1 | 19:53 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 19:53 |
| tumbleweed | +1 | 19:53 |
| meetingology | +1 received from tumbleweed | 19:53 |
| geser | #endvote | 19:53 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Should Micah Gersten become an Ubuntu Core-Dev? | 19:53 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 19:53 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:53 |
| micahg | I'm honored, thank you :) | 19:54 |
| jbicha | My apologies for being late again, do we have enough time left in the meeting? | 19:55 |
| geser | as jbichs is now here, let's get back to: * jbicha to create a list of packages from the .modules files for the desktop-extra package set | 19:55 |
| tumbleweed | jbicha: I see you just mailed us | 19:55 |
| stgraber | looks good, I just wouldn't move vinagre for now until it's been officially dropped | 19:57 |
| jbicha | stgraber: yes, that makes sense | 19:58 |
| stgraber | I'm guessing all the -sharp moving from -desktop and core are because of the drop of tomboy, gbrainy and banshee? | 19:58 |
| cody-somerville | +1 | 19:59 |
| micahg | I'm not comfortable with mono in there | 19:59 |
| jbicha | micahg: why not? | 19:59 |
| stgraber | micahg: I tend to agree with you, especially as we'll likely keep it in main as a common build-dep for a few packages in main | 20:00 |
| micahg | jbicha: it's an entirely different system of packages | 20:00 |
| stgraber | micahg: I'm quite surprised it's not currently in core | 20:00 |
| micahg | jbicha: I'm fine with GTK/GLIB based apps and libraries | 20:01 |
| jbicha | stgraber: maybe it's still in core? | 20:01 |
| stgraber | jbicha: could be, I just assumed that if he wasn't in your list of stuff to drop from core it's because it currently isn't | 20:02 |
| micahg | stgraber: I think since Kubuntu doesn't use it maybe | 20:02 |
| jbicha | micahg: you're proposing that the set description say "except Mono" ? | 20:02 |
| stgraber | yeah, it's in core currently | 20:02 |
| stgraber | and also in cli-mono | 20:03 |
| stgraber | and some bits are in ubuntu-desktop | 20:03 |
| micahg | jbicha: no, I'd like it limited to GTK based apps/libraries, not cores of other stacks | 20:03 |
| * micahg remembers pulseaudio on the original list but not in this update | 20:04 | |
| geser | do you want to discuss this now or per mail till the next meeting and/or IRC with #ubuntu-desktop? | 20:05 |
| jbicha | micahg: ok, are you saying no to mono, but banshee for instance would still be ok? | 20:05 |
| stgraber | banshee would be fine as it's part of the gnome project and not in the default install | 20:06 |
| stgraber | mono is a programming language that's not part of the gnome project | 20:06 |
| micahg | jbicha: yeah, since that's a GTK based app, I think that's fine + what stgraber said | 20:06 |
| jbicha | ah ok, I don't have a problem with that then | 20:06 |
| jbicha | I just misunderstand :) | 20:06 |
| stgraber | in most cases I'm fine pulling some of the dependencies in the package sets, but pulling a whole language seems a bit too much :) | 20:06 |
| micahg | yeah, I'd like to limit it to things that are developed as part of the GNOME project and not their core dependencies (pulseaudio, mono) | 20:07 |
| geser | are you ready to vote on the package set? or on the next meeting? | 20:08 |
| stgraber | I'd rather have a new package list. I don't think it's blocking a lot of work at the moment and I'd rather have it done properly the first time around | 20:09 |
| jbicha | maybe vote on the mailing list? | 20:10 |
| micahg | +1, I'd like a definition that limits this to GNOME developed apps as well (I think any external dependencies could be posed as an exception if it's worth adding) | 20:10 |
| geser | ok, so next meeting it is | 20:12 |
| geser | any other business? | 20:12 |
| geser | any volunteers for chair? | 20:13 |
| stgraber | geser: next one in alphabetical order, or just re-assign to cody :) | 20:13 |
| geser | ok | 20:14 |
| geser | #endmeeting | 20:14 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Dec 5 20:14:04 2011 UTC. | 20:14 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-05-19.05.moin.txt | 20:14 |
| micahg | thanks geser | 20:17 |
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