=== highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === Guest37602 is now known as jpds === Guest24086 is now known as Joeb454 === jason is now known as Guest51634 === Guest45246 is now known as Zic === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci === fader_ is now known as fader === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ === cmagina_ is now known as cmagina === yofel_ is now known as yofel === skfin is now known as atomiydinenergia === atomiydinenergia is now known as skfin === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Guest76640 is now known as NCommander === NCommander is now known as Guest67564 === Guest67564 is now known as NCommander [18:06] hi! [18:06] hi! [18:06] hello! [18:06] #startmeeting [18:06] Meeting started Mon Dec 5 18:06:51 2011 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [18:06] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:07] The meeting agenda can be found at: [18:07] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [18:07] [TOPIC] Announcements === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements [18:07] Thanks to the following people who helped Ubuntu Security last week: [18:07] * Gabriel A. von Winckler (winckler) for the phpldapadmin debdiffs [18:07] * Dominic Hargreaves for the request-tracker3.8 debdiff [18:07] * Arnaud Quette (Uzuul) for help in updating the nut qa-regression-testing script (LP: #894476) [18:08] Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure! :) [18:08] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [18:08] I'll go first [18:09] last week was 'interesting' in that I did quite a bit, but not what I said I would :P [18:09] that said, I am in the happy place again and I have several updates I am working on [18:09] several MIR audits need to still be done that have been backburnered for too long [18:10] assuming I can actually do those things, I will do some work items [18:10] mdeslaur: you're up [18:10] I'm on community this week [18:11] and I have some updates for colord, commons-daemon and dovecot that I need to test and release [18:11] besides that, I'm looking into the ffmpeg/libav issues [18:11] and will pick up some other stuff from the list [18:11] that's it from me [18:11] micahg: you're up [18:11] * jdstrand guesses he could get more specific: updates are for vsftpd, python-django and quassel [18:13] working on updates, patch pilot, planning Firefox rapid release migration for lucid/maverick [18:13] also starting to plan for webkit 1.6 migration as well [18:14] that's it for me [18:14] tyhicks: you're up [18:14] I'm in the happy place this week [18:14] micahg: 1.6 or 1.8? [18:14] * tyhicks waits [18:14] mdeslaur: 1.6 first, then 1.8 if we choose that for precise [18:15] to clarify: 1.6 in all stable releases [18:15] I am currently finishing up testing a fix for a private bug [18:16] I need to make some progress on my update queue and I'll probably focus on bzip2 first [18:16] mdeslaur: do you have an eta on the 1.8 decision? are you participating in that discussion? [18:16] err [18:16] micahg: ^ [18:16] jdstrand: haven't heard back, will check with the Desktop team this week [18:16] tyhicks: didn't mdeslaur take bzip2? [18:16] jdstrand: nope - he took it and then gave it back :) [18:16] jdstrand: nope [18:17] ah, sneaky [18:17] So I'll bet there is something exciting waiting there for me ;) [18:17] tyhicks: nah [18:17] trivial fix [18:17] mdeslaur: I do need to coordinate with you regarding the t1lib update [18:18] mdeslaur: Shall I run with it from here on? [18:18] tyhicks: sure [18:18] tyhicks: just make sure I didn't regress anything with the patch [18:19] although I don't know how that could happen [18:19] mdeslaur: Will do [18:19] I need to patch, test, and upstream a fix for the eCryptfs statfs() max filename length reporting bug (LP: #885744) [18:19] Finally, I'd like to get a 'make check' set up in ecryptfs-utils for eCryptfs tr [18:20] oops... that is "eCryptfs trunk tests" [18:20] tyhicks: do you have the patch for that one already? [18:20] jjohansen: nope [18:20] tyhicks: I might, let me check [18:20] ok, great [18:21] jjohansen: You're up - that's it for me [18:21] This week I will hopefully finish squashing the bugs around aa namespaces and get fake stacking up in a ppa so the server team can start integrating with it. [18:21] I also need to testing on the new __d_path api, and once that is settled move apparmor to using it. Oh and write some documentation for them on using it. [18:21] jjohansen: did you find a solution to that? [18:21] oh and I guess I will try to publish a few kernel usns without breaking things [18:22] mdeslaur: yes al viro, created a new api [18:22] jjohansen: cool, so we don't lose anything? [18:22] mdeslaur: we shouldn't but I haven't tested the api, nor changed the patch to it yet [18:22] jjohansen: ok [18:23] mdeslaur: if not we do have a fall back that is I think 100% but its a lot more work as it relies on us getting our labeling in shape === doko_ is now known as doko [18:23] hrm [18:23] ie. work not planned for this cycle [18:23] * mdeslaur crosses fingers [18:23] * jdstrand keeps fingers and toes crossed [18:23] oh, and not on disk labeling [18:24] thats it from me [18:24] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [18:24] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [18:24] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [18:25] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cableswig.html [18:25] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gforge.html [18:25] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ejabberd.html [18:25] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/opensaml2.html [18:25] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xmlsec1.html [18:25] opensaml2 and xmlsec1 should only need a merge from Debian per http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/ [18:26] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [18:26] I have one thing [18:27] last week I did a work items analysis which culminated in http://people.canonical.com/~jamie/wi/precise-canonical-security.html [18:27] that page is rough, but it gives a percent completed and sums the days we initially estimated to complete the work [18:28] nice! [18:28] because we commit to essential and try hard to get all our high work items, there are separate stats for them [18:28] jdstrand: I think I spot a small mistake in my row [18:28] it should also be updated automatically via cron based on the work items tracker output [18:29] tyhicks: I don't doubt it :) let's talk after the meeting [18:29] sounds good :) [18:29] so, the is preliminary of course [18:30] but in general, I think looking at essential and high, the work is properly loaded [18:30] we can discuss specifics in #ubuntu-hardened after the meeting if there aer questions [18:30] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [18:31] 'work is properly loaded' sounds funny. I should say 'the work load is correctly distributed' [18:33] ok, thanks everybody! [18:33] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:33] Meeting ended Mon Dec 5 18:33:20 2011 UTC. [18:33] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-05-18.06.moin.txt [18:33] thanks jdstrand! [18:33] thanks jdstrand [18:33] thanks jdstrand [18:39] thanks jdstrand [19:02] * stgraber waves [19:03] * micahg waves [19:03] . [19:03] hi [19:04] bdrung: DMB meeting? [19:04] and jbicha isn't online... [19:04] and I didn't see a reply to Laney's e-mail either [19:04] geser: we have quorum for the first part of the meeting :) [19:05] ok, let's begin [19:05] #startmeeting [19:05] Meeting started Mon Dec 5 19:05:16 2011 UTC. The chair is geser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [19:05] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:05] Welcome to the Developer Membership Board meeting [19:06] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review of previous action items [19:07] * Laney to document package set application process [19:07] what's the status of this? [19:07] looks done [19:07] geser: Laney isn't around ATM, but looks does [19:07] ok [19:08] * micahg to ping all packageset teams to get a description we can use for future changes [19:08] geser: not done yet, will try to have that finished before the next meeting [19:09] ok, is there a wiki page documentating the ones you got already a response? [19:09] I haven't sent out the initial mails yet :( [19:09] ok [19:09] * tumbleweed to create private DMB channel for realtime use during meetings [19:10] this is done [19:10] it's currently invite-only, so not useful for people with questions [19:10] (unless they get invited) [19:11] * jbicha to create a list of packages from the .modules files for the desktop-extra package set [19:11] did we get that list? (I haven't checked my mails today yet) [19:11] nope [19:11] and no sign of him [19:11] so the "desktop-extra" package set is on hold too, right? [19:12] oh, hang on, he's online again [19:12] I think I whoised him on the wrong network before... [19:13] ...anyway, not here now... [19:13] * bdrung waves. [19:14] in which timezone does he live? is it a time zone problem? [19:14] launchpad says US eastern [19:15] so both timezones shouldn't be too bad if he can connect from work [19:15] let's hope we get a list for the next meeting (to get this finally done) [19:16] #topic MOTU application: Julian Taylor === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: MOTU application: Julian Taylor [19:16] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JulianTaylor/MOTUApplication [19:16] yeah, I'm not against discussing it on the mailing-list so we don't need jbicha to be at the meeting. If we have the list and everything before, we can probably just vote on it [19:16] jtaylor: your stage :) [19:17] I don't think the package set was controversial or anything, we really just needed the list :) [19:17] hi, most of you have probably already seen me hanging around in the various ubuntu irc channels [19:18] I have now been involved in ubuntu and debian for almost a year in various areas, packaging, bug triaging, education [19:19] I was recently involved in a few transitions and tasks in ubuntu, namely as-needed fixing, dh_python2 transition and mono 2.10 transition [19:19] I now want to apply for motu membership to relieve the sponsors from some work :) [19:20] 'bout time :) [19:20] cool, so a few questions based on recent events :) are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce and read it usually within 24 hours of an e-mail getting on there? :) [19:20] yes I'm subscribed to -announce and -motu and usually read it at least once a day [19:21] good [19:21] also -ubuntu-devel [19:21] (+ main debian lists) [19:21] now we're on alpha-2 release week and you have some universe packages to upload, what do you check and what do you do? [19:22] before alpha the archive is a soft freeze to not distrupt the iso building [19:22] but so far I know that should only affect main [19:23] nope, it doesn't, that's the tricky part :) [19:23] s/main/packages on CDs/ [19:23] s/CDs/images/ [19:23] and some flavours build from universe [19:23] * tumbleweed just wrote a tool to check that, I'd love reviews of it :) [19:24] basically anything that's seeded (be it main or universe) and that's not exclusively in the SUPPORTED seed [19:24] tumbleweed: I'd love to :) [19:24] tumbleweed: awesome! [19:25] [OT]: lp:~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/on-images-876554 [19:25] back to regular programming... [19:25] ah ok, should I be accepted I'll of course check up with expericend members before every action I do [19:25] jtaylor: so yeah, not touching anything on the ISO during a release week without poking the release team about it is the right answer, just be careful as we have quite a few of them in universe now [19:26] jtaylor: no worry, I've to remember myself about this too when it's time for a soft freeze [19:27] jtaylor: any ideas for dealing with bugs that remain unfixed forever? I suspect you doing your best to fix them all would lead to burnout rather than a real improvement... :/ [19:28] tumbleweed: invent cloning :) [19:28] yeah, we could use more jtaylors [19:28] I currently follow the procedure that when someone asks directly via email or irc about an annoying I try to get it fixed or at least on the right track [19:29] sure, I do that too. But then we just fix the issues raised by people who know ubuntu-developers... [19:30] jtaylor: are you aware of how to get the relevant changelog entries into a .changes file and verify they're in there? [19:32] hm dpkg-genchanges creates the changes files, and you can read them with a text editor [19:33] jtaylor: right, but how do you make sure that the relevant entries are in there? default is just the last entry === Guest50217 is now known as Zic [19:34] I don't know :/ [19:34] micahg: you mean, like when merging from Debian? [19:35] jtaylor: if you pass -v to dpkg-buildpackage (or debuild) with the last version uploaded, you'll get all the entries after that version [19:35] stgraber: yes [19:36] ah it passes that to dpkg-genchanges [19:36] not scanned the manpage fast enough ;) [19:36] jtaylor: right :) [19:37] any other questions? [19:38] * stgraber is ready to vote [19:39] * micahg is ready [19:39] #vote Should Julian Taylor become a MOTU? [19:39] Please vote on: Should Julian Taylor become a MOTU? [19:39] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:39] +1 [ I endorsed him ] [19:39] +1 [ I endorsed him ] received from tumbleweed [19:39] +1 [19:39] +1 received from geser [19:39] +1 [19:39] +1 received from stgraber [19:39] +1 [19:39] +1 received from bdrung [19:39] +1 good packaging work, good interaction w/peers and community in general [19:39] +1 good packaging work, good interaction w/peers and community in general received from micahg [19:40] #endvote [19:40] Voting ended on: Should Julian Taylor become a MOTU? [19:40] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:40] Motion carried [19:40] that was easy [19:40] jtaylor: congratulations [19:40] jtaylor: congratulations [19:40] thanks :) [19:40] congrats! [19:41] #topic Core Dev application: Micah Gersten === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Core Dev application: Micah Gersten [19:41] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg/CoreDevApplication [19:41] * micahg moves to the other side of the table [19:41] micahg: your stage [19:41] ah yeah, right, he isn't a core dev :) [19:42] HI, I've been an Ubuntu developer for about 18 months now, working on various things, FTBFS, RC Bugs, Xubuntu, Mozilla stack [19:43] win 40 [19:43] doh :) [19:43] and you helped keep [19:43] Chromium going! [19:44] I enjoy solving problems (getting pkg-config and cmake to play nice was fun) [19:44] micahg: what's the biggest difference between MOTU and core-dev in your eyes? [19:47] geser: Both are generalists, core-dev I believe is expected to know more about the possible impact of changes that updating a package can have on the rest of the archive, also be a driver of transitions and other release related activities (with consultation with the release team of course) [19:48] based on the comments in your application, I guess there is no need to ask you questions about policies :) [19:48] A core-dev is also a leader that tries to help other developers DTRT or fix other issues [19:49] geser: I still have plenty to learn :) [19:49] micahg: do you see any solutions to the latest-crack-in-PPAs issue you raise? [19:49] micahg: so are you subscribed and reading -announce? :P [19:50] tumbleweed: well, the -backports team seems to have new life thanks to you and broder, I recently became a member of that team as well, I think we can leverage -backports for some of those packages, as for others, I don't think I have an answer for it ATM [19:51] * tumbleweed isn't even part of the team, but shh [19:51] stgraber: yes, I post there sometimes as well :) [19:51] tumbleweed: you helped make tools :) [19:52] any other questions? [19:52] * tumbleweed is done [19:52] nope [19:53] #vote Should Micah Gersten become an Ubuntu Core-Dev? [19:53] Please vote on: Should Micah Gersten become an Ubuntu Core-Dev? [19:53] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:53] +1 [19:53] +1 received from geser [19:53] +1 [19:53] +1 received from bdrung [19:53] +1 [19:53] +1 received from stgraber [19:53] +1 [19:53] +1 received from tumbleweed [19:53] #endvote [19:53] Voting ended on: Should Micah Gersten become an Ubuntu Core-Dev? [19:53] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:53] Motion carried [19:54] I'm honored, thank you :) [19:55] My apologies for being late again, do we have enough time left in the meeting? [19:55] as jbichs is now here, let's get back to: * jbicha to create a list of packages from the .modules files for the desktop-extra package set [19:55] jbicha: I see you just mailed us [19:57] looks good, I just wouldn't move vinagre for now until it's been officially dropped [19:58] stgraber: yes, that makes sense [19:58] I'm guessing all the -sharp moving from -desktop and core are because of the drop of tomboy, gbrainy and banshee? [19:59] +1 [19:59] I'm not comfortable with mono in there [19:59] micahg: why not? [20:00] micahg: I tend to agree with you, especially as we'll likely keep it in main as a common build-dep for a few packages in main [20:00] jbicha: it's an entirely different system of packages [20:00] micahg: I'm quite surprised it's not currently in core [20:01] jbicha: I'm fine with GTK/GLIB based apps and libraries [20:01] stgraber: maybe it's still in core? [20:02] jbicha: could be, I just assumed that if he wasn't in your list of stuff to drop from core it's because it currently isn't [20:02] stgraber: I think since Kubuntu doesn't use it maybe [20:02] micahg: you're proposing that the set description say "except Mono" ? [20:02] yeah, it's in core currently [20:03] and also in cli-mono [20:03] and some bits are in ubuntu-desktop [20:03] jbicha: no, I'd like it limited to GTK based apps/libraries, not cores of other stacks [20:04] * micahg remembers pulseaudio on the original list but not in this update [20:05] do you want to discuss this now or per mail till the next meeting and/or IRC with #ubuntu-desktop? [20:05] micahg: ok, are you saying no to mono, but banshee for instance would still be ok? [20:06] banshee would be fine as it's part of the gnome project and not in the default install [20:06] mono is a programming language that's not part of the gnome project [20:06] jbicha: yeah, since that's a GTK based app, I think that's fine + what stgraber said [20:06] ah ok, I don't have a problem with that then [20:06] I just misunderstand :) [20:06] in most cases I'm fine pulling some of the dependencies in the package sets, but pulling a whole language seems a bit too much :) [20:07] yeah, I'd like to limit it to things that are developed as part of the GNOME project and not their core dependencies (pulseaudio, mono) [20:08] are you ready to vote on the package set? or on the next meeting? [20:09] I'd rather have a new package list. I don't think it's blocking a lot of work at the moment and I'd rather have it done properly the first time around [20:10] maybe vote on the mailing list? [20:10] +1, I'd like a definition that limits this to GNOME developed apps as well (I think any external dependencies could be posed as an exception if it's worth adding) [20:12] ok, so next meeting it is [20:12] any other business? [20:13] any volunteers for chair? [20:13] geser: next one in alphabetical order, or just re-assign to cody :) [20:14] ok [20:14] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [20:14] Meeting ended Mon Dec 5 20:14:04 2011 UTC. [20:14] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-05-19.05.moin.txt [20:17] thanks geser === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ === bjf is now known as bjf[afk]