[01:34] <Azelphur> wtf, I'm booting 11.10 from USB on my laptop, I heard the login screen sound so I assume it made it reasonably far
[01:34] <Azelphur> but my screen is just cycling through colors, blue, white, black, red, green, and blue again
[01:34] <Azelphur> the whole screen, cycling through those colors.
[07:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:44] <czajkowski> popey: ping
[07:44] <popey> o/
[07:45] <czajkowski> morning sent to pm not NSFW link
[07:58] <Jutnux> Morning
[08:14] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <DJones> Morning
[08:59] <exobuzz> popey, https://ship.parcelforce.net/welcome - stupid web developers or stupid management ?
[08:59] <exobuzz> they used to forbid you from using the site at all. i suppose this is an improvement from being totally crap to just crap
[09:01] <popey> hah
[09:01] <Myrtti> morning
[09:01] <exobuzz> this should be on th efacebook thread. im getting my social networks all confused
[09:04] <DJones> Oops http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16027006
[09:07] <Myrtti> ooo, snow has stayed on the ground overnight
[09:08] <hoover> morning all
[09:08] <hoover> any git users / experts around?
[09:09] <hoover> I'm wondering how to clone a git repo from this url:
[09:09] <hoover> http://git.larsmichelsen.com/git/?p=nagios_downtime.git;a=summary
[09:09] <hoover> git clone tells me that there's no repo on that address 8(
[09:18] <Myrtti> nja
[09:18] <Myrtti> used http://git.larsmichelsen.com/git/nagios_downtime.git and got fatal: not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
[09:20] <hoover> yep
[09:21] <hoover> I've also tried git: as a protocol, connection refused
[09:24] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:24] <hoover> morning
[09:46] <Myrtti> wheeeee
[09:46] <Myrtti> audible_bell \o/
[09:46] <popey> thats a good thing is it?
[09:48] <AlanBell> how did you do it Myrtti?
[09:48] <Myrtti> well, if I've got irssi hilights, it seems that audible_bell passes through to screen and from screen to terminal and from terminal to Compiz and from Compiz to Unity, which makes the terminator icon wiggle in the unity bar
[09:49] <Myrtti> could set the sound effect volume in PulseAudio to 0 if I disliked it, but as of now it's an excellent thing
[09:49] <Myrtti> AlanBell: first I noticed that I didn't have it enabled in zsh, and I probably still don't
[09:50] <Myrtti> second I checked if screen was set ok and it wasn't, but I have no way of telling if that was the case before yesterday when I had connection problems and had to kill screen and irssi
[09:51] <Myrtti> then I tried xset b 100 and pactl upload-sample and well, seems to work now
[09:57] <popey> ♥  get_iplayer
[09:57] <Myrtti> yeah it's magnificent :->
[09:57] <popey> ooh yay, i told get_iplayer to grab 'how to build', seems they're repeating series 1 somewhere, it's picked up one of those episodes as well as the 3 eps from series 2
[09:59] <Myrtti> I've put the RSS feeds into liferea and liferea is rigged to start get_iplayer in a terminal when the title of the feeditem is clicked
[09:59] <Myrtti> I'm usually interested in science, nature and history so it serves me well
[09:59] <popey> i might go back to liferea
[10:00] <Myrtti> it integrates nicely with memenu
[10:00] <gord> i don't pay the licence fee so my version of get iplayer is go to amazon and buy the bluray :(
[10:00] <bigcalm> gord: that's very well behaved of you
[10:01] <popey> gord: you dont need to pay license fee to use get_iplayer
[10:01] <Myrtti> I can only assume D pays it
[10:01] <popey> you only need to pay license fee to watch live or near-live telly
[10:01] <bigcalm> popey: but is it morally wrong?
[10:01] <popey> not if the law says so
[10:01] <gord> eh i'd feel bad
[10:01] <popey> no different than watching non-live iplayer on bbc.co.uk
[10:01] <daubers> Morning
[10:02] <gord> to be honest, i only want the nature documentaries and i want them on bluray
[10:02] <popey> lo
[10:02] <gord> frozen planet comes out on the 8th!
[10:02] <popey> heh
[10:02] <Myrtti> popey: only difference is that you don't need to suffer the browser adding an extra layer of possible troubles
[10:02] <bigcalm> alias get_iplayer_web_interface="cd ~/Music/iPlayer;perl get_iplayer.cgi --port=1935 --getiplayer=/usr/bin/get_iplayer --listen=127.0.0.1"
[10:02] <popey> hmm, liferea comes with a podcast subscription which doesnt exist
[10:03] <bigcalm> I <3 the web interface
[10:03] <bigcalm> Reminds me of the mythtv interface quite a bit
[10:04] <Myrtti> I wonder how slippery it's out there now the snow is there
[10:04] <Myrtti> should walk to the other side of the suburb to run some errands
[10:04] <dogmatic69> no snow in the west midlands
[10:04] <gord> get the feeling we won't get snow this year, still not actually that cold
[10:04] <dogmatic69> gord: where abouts are you?
[10:04] <bigcalm> It's anybody's guess
[10:04]  * Myrtti goes to take a picture
[10:05] <gord> dogmatic69, crewe
[10:06] <dogmatic69> looked like snow close to you on the news last night
[10:07] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/6458816607/
[10:07] <bigcalm> Yay Tampere
[10:08] <gord> fyi, snow that falls but does not stick, is not snow
[10:08] <gord> do not trust it
[10:08] <Myrtti> gord: well it's been there over 12 hours now
[10:09] <gord> Myrtti, yeah not disputing your snow, your snow is very valid ;)
[10:09] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[10:09] <Myrtti> thohoho
[10:10] <Myrtti> my snow ♥
[10:13]  * popey files bug 900214 :D
[10:14] <Myrtti> popey: an Ubuntu podcast or the Ubuntu podcast?
[10:14] <popey> how many are there? ☺
[10:15] <Myrtti> I thought there was full circle and some others
[10:15] <Myrtti> I don't know, it's just that that bug name isn't unambiguous :-P
[10:15] <popey> changed
[10:15] <popey> bug 900214
[10:15] <popey> :D
[10:16] <nigelb> popey: hah
[10:16] <popey> will add similar for gpodder ☺
[10:16] <Myrtti> I wish there was a proper gpodder.net podcast client for Android
[10:17] <Myrtti> I'd love to get rid of Listen
[10:17] <Laney> morning
[10:18] <Laney> i keep getting flats on me bike :(
[10:19] <Myrtti> right, cup of tea consumed, time to get going
[10:20] <gord> replace bike wheels with concrete wheels, problem solved
[10:22] <Myrtti> haaaa cuecat to the rescue
[10:23] <knightwise> hmmm
[10:23] <knightwise> as a podcatcher Gpodder is quite ok on ubuntu
[10:23] <knightwise> but i keep getting "user locale input settings" errors when i try to run Gpodder from the command line interface
[10:25] <Myrtti> UK banks should develop something like what Finnish banks have - barcodes on the bottom of the paper bills. Makes paying individual bills easier. Of course nowadays would be easier if it were a qr code
[10:27] <Myrtti> I got some USB cuecats from USA just for two purposes, random paper bills and librarything
[10:39] <hoover> I'm also looking for a good android podcast client
[10:39] <DJones> Myrtti: About QR code, the rugby team I watch has just brought out their new shirt for teh 2012 season, its supposed to have a QR code in the design to take you direct to the clubs website
[10:39] <hoover> I just dumped podkicker after it turned my sd into read only for the umpteenth time
[10:40] <hoover> I'm now back to downloading them manually on the htc's sd card and listening to them in the std music player
[10:41] <knightwise> hoover: doggcatcher ?
[10:41] <popey> hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_podcatchers#Android
[10:41] <knightwise> hoover: i download them using gpodder and have an rsync script that kicks them over to my droid
[10:46] <danfish> morning
[10:47] <danfish> b'ah :( I'm officially banning Mondays. From now on it's a 6 day week.
[10:47] <hoover> thanks for the link
[10:47] <hoover> knightwise: yep, I was thinking of doing the same
[10:52] <MooDoo> danfish: you wish :D
[10:57] <danfish> MooDoo: I did wish - closed my eyes and clicked my heels together and everything
[10:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:00] <MooDoo> danfish: obviously you were not wearing red jeweled magic slippers
[11:01] <bigcalm> I'm on holiday this week - so why am I working?
[11:01] <bigcalm> I don't understand me
[11:02] <MooDoo> bigcalm: crazy fool :) go do something else
[11:03] <bigcalm> Might go and have a hair cut
[11:08] <Guest63416> do chrimbo shopping
[11:09] <Guest63416> !ping
[11:10] <Jutnux> Coach trip:(
[11:11] <oimon> !ping
[11:11] <oimon> phew
[11:15] <bigcalm> Will be doing xmas shopping on Saturday after the uu meal
[11:19]  * AlanBell updates the booking
[11:20] <bigcalm> Change in numbers?
[11:20] <AlanBell> yeah, I booked 9 originally and we have 8
[11:20] <bigcalm> Aha
[11:21] <bigcalm> How do the numbers compare to what you had expected?
[11:23] <AlanBell> less interest from canonical than I had expected, otherwise about what I thought
[11:23] <bigcalm> Ah
[11:23] <AlanBell> it isn't a cheap night
[11:23] <bigcalm> Indeed not
[11:23] <Laney> how much is it?
[11:23] <bigcalm> I've got another xmas meal to attend with Hayley on the Thursday evening
[11:23] <directhex> one
[11:23] <bigcalm> 41 per head
[11:23] <directhex> hundred
[11:23] <directhex> beeeeelion
[11:23] <directhex> dollars!
[11:23] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:24] <bigcalm> This is going to be a bit of an expensive week for me
[11:25] <hoover> hey biggie
[11:25] <hoover> I just ordered a Kindle Fire for my wife
[11:26] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie
[11:26]  * Laney could be tempted to attend
[11:26] <Laney> depending on trains ...
[11:26] <Laney> is it too late?
[11:26] <AlanBell> Laney: arrgh!
[11:26] <Laney> did you just change it?
[11:27] <Laney> if so don't worry
[11:27] <AlanBell> well I can probably unchange it
[11:27] <AlanBell> only sent the email 10 minutes ago
[11:27] <Laney> no no don't put yourself out
[11:27] <bigcalm> Laney: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[11:27] <AlanBell> not putting myself out, if you can make it then awesome, I will update them
[11:27] <Laney> ta
[11:27] <AlanBell> but it does cost me personally £35 for no-shows!
[11:28] <Laney> hmm, last train back 2315
[11:30] <bigcalm> There are 2 sittings per evening and the 2nd one starts at 9pm. So I assume that we'll be ushered out by 8.30pm. So the rest of the evening is free for a pub or something I guess
[11:30] <AlanBell> yes
[11:30] <bigcalm> I just started 2 sentences with 'so'. Somebody is going to be annoyed.
[11:30] <AlanBell> so it won't be me
[11:30] <bigcalm> ;)
[11:31] <bigcalm> I recall popey apologising about starting with so. But I can't remember whom it was to
[11:33] <popey> myself
[11:33] <popey> hmm, going to be tight to get me and wifey there for 18:30
[11:33] <popey> didnt realise they did two sittings
[11:33] <bigcalm> Well, that's confusing
[11:34] <Laney> mmm, first advance
[11:42] <Laney> AlanBell: aye go on then, put me down
[11:43]  * Laney buys train tickets
[11:43] <bigcalm> Laney: join the event :)
[11:43] <AlanBell> yay
[11:43] <Laney> will do
[11:43] <Laney> travelling first class on the way there
[11:43] <Daviey> I'll be on a plane :(
[11:43]  * Laney dons cool shades
[11:43] <bigcalm> Laney: two Iains in one place. Lets be confused :)
[11:44] <Laney> i'll be iron you be eeyane
[11:44] <Daviey> Don't wanna make it the following week? :)
[11:44] <Laney> going somewhere nice?
[11:44] <bigcalm> My ex-gf went from me (Iain) to an Ian
[11:44] <AlanBell> Laney: booking updated :)
[11:44] <bigcalm> My fiancée went from an Ian to me (Iain)
[11:45] <Laney> ty
[11:45] <dutchie> my current gf has gone from a josh to a josh
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: by accident?
[11:45] <Laney> argh
[11:45]  * AlanBell wonders what the argh is
[11:45] <Laney> silly loco website
[11:45] <bigcalm> Highlight frenzy!
[11:45] <AlanBell> oh, just that
[11:45] <Laney> I was lookign for register in the grey menu
[11:45] <Laney> but it's a link over to the right
[11:45] <AlanBell> yes
[11:46] <Laney> there we go
[11:46] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: an accident she hasn't noticed for ~8 months if so
[11:47]  * dutchie back to wondering why big shiny computer won't turn on after being moved from university to home
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: imagine her face when she notices! :)
[11:47]  * Laney eyes east midlands trains
[11:49] <Laney> rock & roll & booked
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> rick & roll
[11:49] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ <-- like that, bigcalm ?
[11:51] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: aye, that'll do nicely :)
[11:51] <bigcalm> Synergy doesn't like transmitting special chars
[11:53] <bigcalm> Goodness me, there's a dubstep mix of Barbra Steisand: http://open.spotify.com/track/1OaBSDFIXcDn2YPD82uMHX
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> :'(\
[11:53] <bigcalm> Barbra Streisand
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu_zwdmz0hE ?
[11:55] <bigcalm> Yep
[11:55] <bigcalm> Never seen the music vid though
[11:55] <bigcalm> This is fun
[12:15] <dutchie> :( can't work out what is wrong with my computer
[12:19] <MooDoo> dutchie: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[12:20]  * MooDoo ducks and runs
[12:20] <dutchie> MooDoo: yes, but it won't even turn on :(
[12:21] <gord> dutchie, is it that you are using it?
[12:21] <bigcalm> User error. Replace user and press any key to continue
[12:21] <bigcalm> Did somebody really make a keyboard with an 'any' key on it?
[12:22] <gord> i think i saw a photochop of that once, but really you could just put a sticker with the word "any" on tilde or something
[12:22] <bigcalm> Aye
[12:53] <oimon> wow, office 2010 is hideous
[12:54] <MooDoo> oimon: the ribbon isn't too nice, but it's useable
[12:55] <oimon> it's very hard to use
[12:55] <oimon> there's an indented paragraph that it impossible to unindent, and you can't see at a glance stuff like fonts used, and size
[12:55] <oimon> i have to use it to edit a document and i['ve screwed it all up
[12:59] <dogmatic69> is it possible to measure a clients bandwidth from a server somehow, with out action from them
[12:59] <dogmatic69> while browsing a site maybe
[13:07] <jpds> dogmatic69: ipref.
[13:07] <dogmatic69> http://www.ipref.com/ :/
[13:09] <jpds> $ apt-cache show iperf
[13:34] <Myrtti> !info htop
[14:11]  * oimon realises he's bought clementines instead of satsumas :(
[14:13] <Laney> good choice
[14:18] <siriusly> clementine is a good choice for a music player too ;)
[14:18] <oimon> that's the only universe in which clementine is better...the universe of music players
[14:38] <johnbristol> Is anyone familiar with a Samsung Printer Unified Driver / Ubuntu 64bit permissions compatibility issue? Googling shows others stuck on getting the CUPS driver to work, and the file manager generating infinite copies of itself, but I can't see a solution posted.
[14:38] <popey> johnbristol: is there a bug filed?
[14:38] <directhex> popey, closed-source crufft
[14:38] <popey> johnbristol: the guy who looks after printing in Ubuntu is very attentive to printing bugs
[14:38] <oimon> S.P.U.D. lol
[14:39] <popey> ahhh
[14:39] <popey> bummer
[14:39] <johnbristol> it installed fine on Slackware, I'm trying to get the printer working for my brother
[14:40] <oimon> which printer johnbristol?
[14:40] <johnbristol> ML-1865
[14:40] <oimon> i have some samsungs that i used existing ubuntu drivers instead of installnig that gubbins and they were completely compatible
[14:41] <johnbristol> thank you oimon, I'll look inside CUPS for an alternative, that's a helpful idea
[14:42] <oimon> e.g. The samsung ML2010 printers seem to work fine using the Samsung ML-1510 Foomatic/gdi driver.
[14:43] <oimon> Also tested ML-2010 and ML-2240 successfully using the Samsung ML-4500 driver
[14:44] <directhex> http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-1865W says only the samsung driver is known to work
[14:47] <johnbristol> that's a helpful page directhex. SPUD's faultless on my linux box, I'm just stuck on getting it to function under Ubuntu. But I'll try oimon's suggestion and see if I can get another driver to bite. I suspect it's to do in part with a root permission.
[14:48] <hoover> cheers all
[14:50] <directhex> johnbristol, you personally shouldn't need special permissions to print - it's the cups daemon which runs the printer, so the cups user takes care of all that
[14:51] <johnbristol> directhex, it was Nautilus spawning hundreds of jobs during the install which gave me that impression. I could easily be wrong.
[14:52] <directhex> unified installers are always wrong, and written by people who are barely technically literate. sadly
[14:54] <johnbristol> directhex, the unified installer was faultless for me on Slackware. I may just get him to buy an Ubuntu-recognized printer instead.
[14:55] <directhex> johnbristol, the developer of the installer will have made completely wrong assumptions about linux, and those will fail hard on the "wrong" distro. e.g. using bashisms and declaring #!/bin/sh is a common one
[14:55] <directhex> since sh is always bash, it's no problem using bashisms, right?
[14:59] <AlanBell> /bin/sh -> dash
[15:33] <Azelphur> woooo, got my laptop back
[15:33] <Azelphur> sent it in for repair back in August, took so long \o/
[15:34]  * oimon keeps getting cut on the cutting edge PPAs :(
[15:35] <AlanBell> popey: how did you get on with learning vi?
[15:36] <AlanBell> Azelphur: cool! at least it is back now.
[15:36] <Azelphur> indeed :P
[15:37] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:37] <BigRedS> directhex: That's currently rivalling absence of <ifmod> for my #1 annoyance :)
[15:39] <Azelphur> AlanBell: looks like my HDD size magically doubled too.
[15:39] <Azelphur> can't complain xD
[15:44] <oimon> chromium os lime released: http://blog.hexxeh.net/
[15:44] <oimon> in case you forgot chrome/ium OS existed :)
[16:06] <johnbristol> directhex, there's a working solution at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341621 - I've added this for the archive in case anyone hits this discussion in future.
[17:03] <Jutnux> Coach trip home,argh.
[17:25] <Myrtti> !info audacity
[17:25] <Myrtti> meh
[17:25] <AlanBell>                                                                                                                           jpds ^^^^^^
[17:25] <Myrtti> Miia - avocados: 1 - 1
[17:26] <gordonjcp> audacity is horrible
[17:26] <gordonjcp> I can't believe that's the best we have for editing samples
[17:26] <Myrtti> bought two to make quac, one was underripe and the other ended up being so stubborn with the seed I cut myself :-(
[17:27] <Myrtti> gordonjcp: I agree on both accounts
[17:27] <jpds> AlanBell: Not my bot.
[17:27] <AlanBell> oh, who runs that one then?
[17:28] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: what does a good sample editor do?
[17:29] <DJones> Isn't that bot tsimpsons
[17:30] <Myrtti> if I could get all the features of Audacity in the UX of Jokosher with a bit more helpful experience, I'd be happy
[17:30] <Myrtti> I want openshot of audio
[17:30] <Myrtti> I like openshot.
[17:30] <jpds> AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots#lubotu3
[17:30] <ali1234> why can't you just use openshot?
[17:31] <ali1234> audacity really is horrible
[17:31] <AlanBell> I like openshot too, but it seems like audacity to me, there are tracks and you drag stuff on the tracks and chop them up and change levels and such
[17:31] <ali1234> well yeah
[17:31] <ali1234> but audacity is slow, annoying, and crashes all the time
[17:31] <directhex> audacity is prime-time stuff. ION turntables ship with audacity for windows as their only software
[17:31] <ali1234> but all A/V editors work like that
[17:32] <AlanBell> I use it to remove noise, clip things to length and sometimes fade in and out
[18:27] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: not look horrible, not crash all the time, not take ten minutes to import or export a sample
[18:30] <GirlyGirl> Hi
[18:38] <BigRedS> Hello
[18:43] <jutnux> Does anyhone know when the Ubuntu mugs will be in stock?
[19:25] <czajkowski> hmmm
[19:25] <czajkowski> no davmor2
[19:29] <daubers> Eveing
[19:33] <AlanBell> o/ daubers
[19:33] <daubers> This evening I am mostly hacking on the hackspace website
[19:33] <daubers> django ftw \o/
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> you h4x0r you
[19:59] <Myrtti> I'm mostly cursing at Audacity
[20:15] <jutnux> Audacity :-(
[20:41] <jacobw> which hackspace daubers ?
[20:41] <daubers> jacobw: Reading
[20:48] <daubers> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[20:48] <daubers> HM Inland Revenue owe me monies!!!
[20:49] <jutnux> Lucky you :-)
[20:50] <daubers> Christmas has come early this year
[20:52] <hux> the drinks are on daubers :)
[20:53] <daubers> \o\
[20:53] <daubers>  /o/
[20:53] <daubers> \o/
[20:53] <gord> reason i stopped paying my licence fee #315 http://balletnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1066075-low_res-strictly-come-dancing-2-700x515.jpg
[20:53] <daubers> ARGHHHHHHHHH
[20:54] <hux> lol omg how much did they give U to make U tghat excited lol
[20:54] <hux> does that ARGH mean they want it back now
[20:54] <Myrtti> daubers: I got 470€ returned on Friday, but I knew about it in June already :-) goes to student loan repayments
[20:54] <jutnux> Hhahahhahaha
[20:55] <daubers> Myrtti: Mine was a bit more than that in £
[20:56] <Myrtti> daubers: yeah well I calculate every year how much tax I should pay and I do calculate it a bit too big just to be safe, but not too much - it's interest free loan for the government after all
[20:57] <daubers> Interestingly this was for 2006...
[20:57] <daubers> Myrtti: This'll pay for my bike retest and a bit of money towards a holiday in Aus in a couple of years :)
[20:59] <jutnux> Go too fast daubers?
[21:00] <daubers> jutnux: No, wobbled a bit from nerves :( enough to cross a lane boundary
[21:01] <jutnux> Ah right :-( What bike do you have
[21:01] <jutnux> ?
[21:02] <daubers> not got one at the moment
[21:22] <monsterwizard> I'm reading about the branch and bounce algorithm the one with the estimiated function. Have I read this correctly?...To work out the estimated function time how mny more steps there are by 50
[21:32] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ping
[21:33] <AlanBell> o/
[21:33] <bigcalm> Hazar!
[21:34] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have you conveyed my allergy information?
[21:34] <AlanBell> I have, but I have to do so again on a form
[21:34] <bigcalm> Cheers :)
[21:34] <AlanBell> we have to do a menu choice form that I got sent today
[21:34] <bigcalm> I trusted that you had, but Hayley insisted that I ask again
[21:35] <bigcalm> I see
[21:35] <bigcalm> I thought it was going to be a surprise
[21:35] <AlanBell> it is, to an extent
[21:35] <zleap> this raspberry pi is looking good http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[21:36] <AlanBell> bigcalm: http://www.danslenoir.com/london/images/site/menu/menu.jpg
[21:36] <AlanBell> white, blue, green or red
[21:37] <bigcalm> Is it a choice per person or per booking?
[21:37] <AlanBell> and starter&main, main&pud, or starter&main&pud
[21:37] <AlanBell> per person
[21:37] <bigcalm> Cool
[21:37]  * AlanBell goes to email the 9 peeps
[21:38] <bigcalm> :)
[21:38] <bigcalm> I love causing people work :P
[21:39] <popey> AlanBell: do you have wifeys email address?
[21:39] <popey> guess it
[21:39] <bigcalm> wifey@p... ?
[21:39] <AlanBell> therealpopey@popey.com :)
[21:39] <popey> clare
[21:39] <AlanBell> yeah, I knew that ;)
[21:50] <awilkins> Now, I'm really really annoyed
[21:51] <awilkins> My *!"^&$^!" computer has decided that it likes to boot Ubuntu after all
[21:51] <awilkins> Why now, no idea. You'd think being left off overnight would be enough if it was time-dependent
[21:52] <Azelphur> HDD failure could explain it, try running a SMART test
[21:57] <awilkins> Azelphur, SMART running all the time... it doesn't explain it, alas, it refused to boot off LiveUSBs as well - it would boot the loader, but wouldn't load the main kernel
[21:58] <Azelphur> weird
[21:58] <awilkins> But it would boot Windows fine... it runs memtest fine
[21:58] <awilkins> It ran mprime for a solid hour with zero errors
[21:58] <awilkins> But then it has a massive sulk, segfaults, hardlocks, blackscreen reset crashes
[21:58] <awilkins> I'm wondering if I should get a UPS
[21:59] <awilkins> I thought it might be the GPU.. was thinking of swapping in the old one
[22:02] <awilkins> It runs Skyrim with no more crashes than average for a Bethesda game.. and no hardlocks or black resets in Windows
[22:02] <awilkins> Bah
[22:10] <ali1234> sounds like hardware problems
[22:13] <ali1234> i need a new router. any suggestions?
[22:15] <smittix> moodoo!
[22:16] <Myrtti> ali1234: sadly I have to say "no Belkin"
[22:16] <ali1234> ok
[22:17] <ali1234> well i'm looking at netgear or linksys
[22:17] <ali1234> is it worth paying the extra to get a gigabit switch?
[22:33] <awilkins> Depends whether you transfer very large files a lot
[22:33] <Azelphur> So I finally got my inspiron duo tablet pc back, Trying to resolve the kernel panic when you plug/remove the power. It's a known issue that happens to all inspiron duo users. Anyone have any suggestions?
[22:34] <ali1234> post the backtrace
[22:35] <Azelphur> how do I post a kernel panic backtrace? there's not too much of a way to copy it
[22:35] <Azelphur> I could take a photo, but it flies off the top of the screen
[22:37]  * Azelphur prods ali1234
[22:37] <shauno> Azelphur: serial port!
[22:37] <ali1234> yeah
[22:38] <Azelphur> it doesn't have one
[22:38] <ali1234> change the console font to the really tiny one
[22:38] <ali1234> then take a photo
[22:38] <Azelphur> how do I do that? :D
[22:38] <ali1234> recompile kernel
[22:38] <Azelphur> \o/
[22:38] <shauno> is there not something you can poke in /proc to get dumps these days?
[22:38] <ali1234> probably not after a kernel panic
[22:39] <shauno> not after, but if it's repeatable, he can do it before-hand?
[22:39] <Azelphur> it's totally repeatable, just unplug and watch the magic \o/
[22:39] <shauno> and no need to recompile for a tiny console font, vga=ask on the boot prompt and pick the least sane option you can find
[22:39] <shauno> yeah, I have a usb soundcard that does the same thing on osx :/
[22:39] <ali1234> try pci=noacpi
[22:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: tried that, no luck
[22:40] <Azelphur> doing vga=ask
[22:41] <Azelphur> shauno: Legacy `ask` parameter no longer supported.
[22:41] <shauno> pants
[22:41] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[22:45] <shauno> with linux, I'm starting to suspect I'm a legacy user
[22:45] <shauno> .. "not supported"
[22:46] <Azelphur> ali1234: is that much of it useful to you? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/December%202011/IMG_20111205_224319.jpg
[22:46] <ali1234> yes
[22:46] <Azelphur> fun
[22:47] <ali1234> shift+pageup?
[22:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope
[22:47] <ali1234> try disabling smp
[22:47] <Azelphur> how?
[22:48] <ali1234> some kernel parameter
[22:48] <Azelphur> k I'll go look that up \o/
[22:48] <shauno> nosmp or maxcpus=0, unless that's legacy too
[22:49] <shauno> (yes, zero, as wrong as that sounds)
[22:50] <ali1234> man bootparam
[22:50] <ali1234> those should both still work
[22:51] <Azelphur> trying it now, not really a perm solution though
[22:51] <ali1234> try to report this bug
[22:51] <ali1234> also try using a recent mainline kernel
[22:51] <Azelphur> it has been reported
[22:51] <ali1234> where?
[22:51] <Azelphur> I was looking for a ppa or something for that earlier but couldn't find one
[22:52] <ali1234> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[22:52] <Azelphur> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/881043
[22:52] <ali1234> try old ones too, it might be a regression
[22:52] <Azelphur> yea, that bug report says it's a regression
[22:53] <ali1234> ok so you need to do a git bisect and find the regression
[22:53] <ali1234> the first thing to do is find the newest kernel that works and the oldest kernel that doesn't work from the kernel ppa
[22:54] <ali1234> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-oneiric/
[22:54] <ali1234> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.0-oneiric/
[22:54] <ali1234> try those :)
[22:54] <Azelphur> righto
[22:55] <ali1234> don't try the point releases if possible, it will just make the bisect harder
[22:55] <ali1234> you know how to install those right?
[22:55] <Azelphur> not really
[22:55] <ali1234> is it 64 or 32?
[22:55] <Azelphur> still panics with nosmp
[22:55] <Azelphur> 64
[22:56] <ali1234> do you need any dkms stuff?
[22:56] <Azelphur> don't think so, no
[22:56] <ali1234> hmm
[22:56] <ali1234> well, get the headers anyway
[22:56] <ali1234> you grab the two deb files that end with amd64 and the one that ands with all
[22:57] <ali1234> dwownload them all to a folder like 2.6.39/
[22:57] <Azelphur> ah, pretty easy
[22:57] <ali1234> cd into folder and sudo dpkg -i *
[22:57] <Azelphur> :)
[22:57] <ali1234> then on boot hold left shift and select it from the menu
[22:58] <ali1234> while you are doing that, you might want to set up a kernel build on your main PC because building kernels takes ages as you probrably know
[22:58] <ali1234> you will want to git clone linus' tree
[22:59] <Azelphur> ok
[22:59] <ali1234> you can point it to an existing kernel tree if you have one, and it will not download it all again
[22:59] <Azelphur> never done this before so I doubt I have :)
[23:00] <ali1234> here is a guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild
[23:01] <ali1234> you will want to run that on main PC and then copy of the deb files
[23:01] <Azelphur> yay guides
[23:01] <Azelphur> righto
[23:01] <Azelphur> I'm just downloading the 2.6 and 3.0 debs to try
[23:01] <ali1234> ok
[23:02] <ali1234> the idea is to find the working and not working debs
[23:02] <ali1234> then you use git to find the point between those two versions where it stops working
[23:03] <Azelphur> fun
[23:05] <AlanBell> doing a kernel recompile at every step!
[23:06] <AlanBell> that sounds like a process that would take weeks to do
[23:06] <Azelphur> AlanBell: not on a 4ghz i7
[23:07] <AlanBell> ok
[23:12] <ali1234> AlanBell: it's a bisection. as in "cut in half"
[23:12] <ali1234> so you start in the middle and take the midpoint at each step
[23:13] <AlanBell> binary search
[23:13] <ali1234> right
[23:14] <AlanBell> how long does a kernel build take Azelphur
[23:14] <AlanBell> oh, you are not there yet
[23:14] <ali1234> half an hour or so
[23:17] <Azelphur> ali1234: I installed those packages but no sign of the new kernels in the grub menus
[23:18] <ali1234> maybe you need to run update-grub
[23:18]  * Azelphur tries
[23:18] <shauno> kernel builds feel like they never change.  it took 30-35 minutes on my 386
[23:18] <shauno> er, 30-45.  but regardless
[23:18] <ali1234> there's a lot more modules these days
[23:19] <ali1234> if you disable them all, it takes 5 minutes
[23:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope update-grub doesn't solve it either
[23:32] <ali1234> maybe you have to install the debs individually then
[23:33] <Azelphur> perhaps :)
[23:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope, they seem to install but there's no mention of them in the grub menu
[23:39] <ali1234> hmm