[02:59] <pleia2> meeting in a couple minutes
[03:00]  * philipballew cant wait
[03:00] <eps> go pee now -- we have a very full agenda ;-)
[03:01]  * philipballew laughs :)
[03:04] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting?
[03:04] <jtatum> o/
[03:04] <pleia2> we don't actually have anything on the agenda :)
[03:04] <philipballew> \0/
[03:04] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11December04
[03:04] <pleia2> so we can just do announcements and whatever other misc stuff people have
[03:05] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california has some upcoming events
[03:05] <pleia2> philipballew: how are things with the san diego ubuntu hour?
[03:05] <philipballew> Not great actually
[03:06] <pleia2> ok, will the planned one for tuesday be happening?
[03:06] <philipballew> I have not herd anything from dave, so i will assume no
[03:06] <pleia2> alright, can you follow up with him and get it removed from loco.ubuntu.com asap?
[03:07] <philipballew> I am not sure what he;s up to. I can see whats up with it. but i dont know whats going on with the thing
[03:07] <philipballew> I can remove it probably
[03:07] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[03:07] <jtatum> easy enough to re-add if needed
[03:07]  * pleia2 nods
[03:08]  * philipballew looks into how to remove
[03:08] <pleia2> so the next two events are San Francisco and Mt View Ubuntu Hours, on the 14th and 15th respectively
[03:08] <pleia2> I can't go to the one on the 15th because I'll be speaking to a linux class at ITT Tech again that night :)
[03:09] <jtatum> you will be missed of course :)
[03:09] <pleia2> I'll miss you guys too! I assume jledbetter will be there?
[03:09] <jtatum> i don't think we'll be able to make the 14th. jledbetter is still getting settled in.
[03:09]  * pleia2 nods
[03:09] <pleia2> welcome to california jledbetter!
[03:09] <jtatum> she says hello and thank you :)
[03:10] <pleia2> :)
[03:11] <pleia2> nhaines still has the call for Ubucon speakers open, if you want to speak get your submissions to him by the 12th, details here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-October/001849.html
[03:11] <pleia2> this is the Friday of SCaLE, on January 20th
[03:12] <bkerensa> :D
[03:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know how I would submit a patch to Ubuntu for sponsorship?
[03:12] <pleia2> and speaking of SCaLE, we have a discount registration code: UBUCO
[03:12] <pleia2> and our wiki is coming together here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale10x
[03:13] <pleia2> bkerensa: not sure what you mean by that
[03:13] <pleia2> anyone else have anything they want to talk about?
[03:13] <eps> pleia2: Is that a percent-off?
[03:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: I have a package that I converted to multiarch and I want to have it sponsored
[03:13] <bkerensa> :)
[03:13] <bkerensa> oh my bad
[03:14] <pleia2> eps: 50%, but if you volunteer at the Ubuntu California booth we get a few free passes, so you'll want to sign up as a volunteer for that
[03:15] <pleia2> once we have our booth pack we'll be able to get our volunteers sorted
[03:15] <eps> I want to see what's happening with airfares. Right now I'm seeing ~$169 RT SFO-LAX. That's too high.
[03:16] <pleia2> anything else? upcoming events? ideas? thoughts? :)
[03:17] <eps> Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights still under consideration?
[03:18] <pleia2> yes
[03:18] <pleia2> iheartubuntu is the lead on that and I understand he's been quite busy lately
[03:18] <eps> I wasn't terribly enthusiastic ... until I saw this: http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/you2.jpg
[03:19] <pleia2> lol
[03:19] <akk> heh
[03:20] <pleia2> ok, I think that's a wrap
[03:20] <pleia2> thanks everyone, get your Ubucon submissions to nhaines by the 12th!
[03:20] <jtatum> thanks pleia2
[03:28] <philipballew> eps, sf to la can be done in 6 hours if you need to drive
[03:29] <eps> That's OK. Really.
[03:30]  * philipballew is to used to driving to let it matter anymore
[03:32] <akk> We've always driven it, because who'd want to be in LA without a car?
[03:32] <eps> Me!
[03:32] <nhaines> akk: it's not very pedestrian friendly.  :)
[03:32] <akk> I guess if you're only hanging around LAX and never going anywhere else, it might be okay.
[03:32] <eps> I have a TAP card and I know how to use it. :-)
[03:35] <eps> As far as I'm concerned, the only reason to drive is you get to stop at the In-N-Out Burger in Kettleman City.
[03:37]  * akk checks google for public transit from burbank to LAX -- ouch, 2.5-3 hours involving 4 different bus routes
[03:37] <akk> Really not a transit-friendly city (not that the bay area is either).
[03:39] <eps> LA has rail that actually works. Also Commuter Express buses if you're there at the right time. And don't forget the Flyaway buses.
[03:40] <akk> I'd love to be able to take transit to SCALE from Burbank (where my mom lives), so we don't have to do the 1.5-hour drive.
[03:40] <akk> But 3 hours and 4 buses each way really isn't feasible.
[03:40] <akk> I guess the trains are good if you happen to be going only along one of their routes.
[03:44] <jbermudes> Don't forget that LA Union Station has a direct express bus to LAX which is faster than light rail from downtown to LAX
[03:47] <jbermudes> actually you could probably get a shuttle from Bob Hope to LAX
[03:47] <akk> Looks like google transit doesn't know about those options.
[03:51] <jbermudes> if you can get a ride to Van Nuys then you can take just one shuttle directly to LAX http://www.lawa.org/welcome_lax.aspx?id=4697
[03:52] <jbermudes> that would probably be the cheapest and most direct unless you find a shuttle service at Bob Hope Airport
[03:55] <akk> Interesting. Any idea what it costs? They don't seem to have price info anywhere (just price to park there, which is reasonable, $4).
[03:57] <jbermudes> akk: $7 one way
[03:57] <akk> Good deal (compared with parking at the site). I might just see if Mom would be interested in that.
[03:58] <akk> Assuming of course they'll drop off at the hotel, but hopefully they would.
[03:59] <akk> though maybe not pick up there
[04:06] <eps> All the area hotels have free shuttles to the airport
[04:23] <jbermudes> right. so you'd take a shuttle to LAX, and then from there take a free shuttle to the hotel
[04:35] <eps> There's probably a whole generation of kids who don't understand why that's so amusing.
[06:14] <philipballew> akk jbermudes I rode the lax bus from union station last year and it was perfectly acceptable
[06:16] <jbermudes> philipballew: me too
[06:30]  * philipballew has so much in common with jbermudes 
[06:32] <jbermudes> public transit buddies!
[18:18] <BotenAnna> so I'm trying to write some automation scripts and would love a way to automatically fill out interactive prompts. this has to exist, i'm sure it's something simple, but idk what!
[18:20] <BotenAnna> hmm. expect, maybe?
[18:22] <nhaines> Redirect a file to stdin.
[18:23] <BotenAnna> that's the other thing I was wondering
[18:24] <BotenAnna> like answers.txt > ./questions.shell ?
[18:30] <akk> It depends on the program -- some have prompts that are hard to automate, some are easy.
[18:31] <akk> There's no way you can run these programs in a mode where they don't ask questions? That's more reliable.
[18:31] <BotenAnna> they're simple installation scripts that ask you things like "do you want to install this" and you have to hit y and type some settings so it shouldn't be so hard
[18:31] <BotenAnna> and unfortunately no, but it's the same questions every time
[18:31] <BotenAnna> *hit y or type some settings
[18:31] <akk> As long as they don't change the order of questions in the next version -- that's always the danger with automatically answering prompts.
[18:32] <nhaines> You should modify the source so they use only default settings and smash anything that was there previously without confirmation.
[18:32] <BotenAnna> yeah but this is a thing for internal use mainly, so we'll know if that happens
[18:32] <akk> Like you set up your script to answer y, 1, y, y, but in the next version they insert a new 3rd question that's "do you want to delete all previous configuration information?"
[18:32] <akk> and now you're answering y to that
[18:32] <jtatum> echo -e y\ny\nsome setting\ny\n | ./install
[18:33] <nhaines> Yeah, it should cause dataloss by default.  You know you want to.  :)
[18:33] <nhaines> Then when someone complains you can say "Looks like someone didn't read the script comments!"
[18:34] <BotenAnna> anna@anna-desktop:~$ echo -e red\nto seek the grail\n50 mph\n | perl promptomatic.pl
[18:34] <BotenAnna> hi what is your favorite color? what is your quest? what is the air speed velocity of an unladen african swallow? the rednto seek the grailn50 mphn swallow, on an adventure  completed her tasks at anna@anna-desktop:~$
[18:34] <BotenAnna> not quite what i expected lol
[18:34] <jtatum> hehe
[18:35] <jtatum> looks like the echo didn't pick up the -e. bash?
[18:35] <BotenAnna> yes
[18:35] <jtatum> try two backslashes
[18:36] <jtatum> echo -e red\\nblah\\netc\\n | yourprog
[18:36] <BotenAnna> hmm seemed to work
[18:36] <BotenAnna> hi what is your favorite color? what is your quest? what is the air speed velocity of an unladen african swallow? the red swallow, on an adventure to seek the grail completed her tasks at 50 mphanna@anna-desktop:~$
[18:36] <BotenAnna> it smushed it all on one line but the last line is right
[18:36] <BotenAnna> (last part?)
[18:36] <nhaines> BotenAnna: now just add in the dataloss and you're all set!
[18:37] <jtatum> hehehehe
[18:37] <BotenAnna> on it 8)
[18:37] <jtatum> qa testers fear no data loss :)
[18:37] <BotenAnna> i dont often test my code
[18:37] <BotenAnna> but when i do, i do it in production
[18:37] <akk> let the users test it for you!
[18:37] <BotenAnna> stay thirsty my friends
[18:46] <nhaines> I just picked up World of Goo for my Android phone.  Only $2.99 today.
[20:49] <pleia2> Ubucon talk proposal submitted \o/
[20:50] <pleia2> Gareth: I'm assuming since the notification deadline for scale has passed, not hearing anything means a talk wasn't accepted?
[20:50]  * MarkDude hopes that in NOT the case
[20:50] <MarkDude> :)
[20:51] <Gareth> pleia2: we slipped the date a bit :)  I believe notifications are still going out.
[20:51] <MarkDude> pleia2, I ended up giving out a few of the cds I got from you Lyz
[20:52] <pleia2> Gareth: ok, will we get an explicit "no"?
[20:52] <pleia2> MarkDude: yay!
[20:53] <MarkDude> It was a pretty good success, great weekend - that ended by hearing my Grandpa died at the end of the day
[20:53] <MarkDude> Now I have to travel to Utah this weekend for a funeral
[20:53] <Gareth> pleia2: yeah.  we send out an email letting people know either way.  we're also still evaluating some of the submissions to see if they'll work for the friday sessions.
[20:53] <Gareth> MarkDude: sorry to hear that :(
[20:54] <MarkDude> Nixie admired your meeting up with me on a corner in SF, it looked like a geek drug deal
[20:54] <MarkDude> Thx Gareth
[20:54]  * MarkDude met up with Lyz during flashmob on a corner
[20:55] <MarkDude> It was amusing
[20:55] <pleia2> MarkDude: sorry to hear about your grandpa :( *hugs*
[20:55] <Gareth> swapping Linux cds?  shifty eyes?  scanning around...
[20:55] <MarkDude> Well - he was in lots of pain
[20:56]  * pleia2 nods
[20:56]  * MarkDude had event for another Distro, but still had Ubuntu Swag
[20:56] <MarkDude> Besides, he was in his 90s- lived a full life,
[20:56] <MarkDude> and had a gf up til a few years ago
[20:56] <pleia2> well, that's something :)
[20:57] <MarkDude> He was at peace about his passing
[20:57] <MarkDude> Much easier to deal with than my Mom, she died way too young
[20:58] <pleia2> 7th anniversary of my father's passing is on wednesday, still not an easy day
[20:58] <MarkDude> Plus being so tired from this weekend made it a bit easier, I just sorta was not surprised. I was planning on making a trip next week to see him a last time
[20:59]  * pleia2 nods
[21:00] <MarkDude> Its what it is. Sorta sucks I cant really post anything on FB, since not all relatives know yet
[21:02] <MarkDude> Ok, enough depressing stuff :) I wasa able to meetup with my step sister - that I had not seen since we were 11
[21:02] <pleia2> heh, wow
[21:03] <MarkDude> Was nice to catch up
[21:04] <MarkDude> A few of the people ended up going for coffee and good Indian food for dinner
[21:04] <MarkDude> She is 2nd grade teacher, and teaches Palo Alto kids - so she knows a bit about geeks ;)
[21:05] <pleia2> cool
[21:05] <pleia2> I met a cousin of my cousin who is a special ed teacher in oakland recently
[21:05] <MarkDude> It's neat being able to add members to your family
[21:52] <cyphase> is there any particular way to see if there's anyone near me besides just asking? maybe a map somewhere
[21:56] <nhaines> Not really.  We don't track user addresses anywhere, and a lot of users here are anonymous.  And some aren't even from California.
[21:56]  * nhaines stares at bkerensa.
[22:09] <nhaines> Hmm, in a couple of months I'll be upgrading this server to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.  That's sort of strange to think about.
[22:15] <greg-g> nhaines: you don't wait for LTS.1 for your servers? You renegade :)
[22:29] <nhaines> greg-g: This server's just for idling on IRC.  :)
[22:30] <greg-g> quite the over powered server :)
[22:30] <nhaines> 1.5GB disk and 64MB RAM?  Nope.  :)
[22:32] <greg-g> ok, but how many watts?
[22:32] <greg-g> ;)
[22:32] <nhaines> Not my problem.  It's a $5-a-month VPS.  ;)
[22:32] <akk> But ... killing the planet! :)
[22:33] <nhaines> akk: but in style!  :)
[22:33] <akk> That counts for something. :)
[23:07] <greg-g> nhaines: ah, vps, gotcha
[23:07] <greg-g> nhaines: I thought you had some old beige box in the closet from 1997