[00:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> 1
[00:55] <snap-l> The meeting is at 9pm, not 8pm
[00:57] <mydogsnameisrudy> is there snacks?
[00:59] <Neal__> Back on now with the other system
[01:00] <Neal__> As a Nooby, I hope you folks don't get too tired of my questions
[01:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> there is only one stuped question that the one you dont ask
[01:02] <_stink_> why does my brain seem to remember us having our monthly meetings during the work day
[01:03] <_stink_> ?
[01:19] <jrwren> i don't recall that.
[01:19] <jrwren> your brain might be broken.
[01:22] <greg-g> rick_h_: jrwren you guys might enjoy this talk: http://vimeo.com/9270320
[01:22] <greg-g> actually, everyone here, if you're a dev
[01:22] <greg-g> _stink_: snap-l ColonelPanic001 Blazeix smoser Wolfger ^^
[01:25] <jrwren> thanks, I probably watched that 2yrs ago, cuz I read Greg Wilson's blog, but I'll watch again.
[01:27] <greg-g> ah, nevermind then :P
[01:29] <_stink_> jrwren: you are probably right about my brain.
[02:00] <snap-l> OK, I'm blaming greg-g for posting that video, of which I'm 27 minutes into it. :)
[02:01] <snap-l> Very interesting. :)
[02:01] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/84/detail/
[02:01] <snap-l> Welcome, one and all to the December meeting of #ubuntu-us-mi
[02:02] <brousch> i'm here! i remembered!
[02:02] <snap-l> the agenda is posted in the link above
[02:02] <snap-l> brousch: Gold star
[02:02] <brousch> yeah!
[02:03] <snap-l> If anyone has anything else to put in the agenda, please either add it to the meeting, ir bring it up once the agenda items have been exhausted
[02:03] <snap-l> 1. Pangolin images
[02:03] <snap-l> Just so everyone is aware, Alpha 1 of Precise Pangolin (12.04) dropped earlier this week
[02:03] <snap-l> so fire up your bit-torrent and download 'em. :)
[02:04] <snap-l> I'm personally focusing on running these images in a VM, and helping to squash bugs
[02:04] <snap-l> Anyone installed them yet (in a VM, or otherwise?)
[02:05] <brousch> i am a wimp
[02:05] <brousch> i don;t think i;ve ever run an alpha
[02:05] <snap-l> That's OK
[02:06] <snap-l> Personally, I've waited for RCs in the past
[02:06] <snap-l> but I think it'd be helpful  since this is a Long Term Support (LTS) version
[02:06] <brousch> ooooh, that's right
[02:06] <snap-l> We'll be living with this sucker for 5 years. :)
[02:07] <snap-l> Anyone know when the next global jam day is, btw?
[02:08] <snap-l> Hm, not sure it's been announced yet
[02:08] <snap-l> There'll be more stuff happening, likely after the first of the year.
[02:08] <snap-l> Anyone got anything else on Pangolin for now?
[02:09] <snap-l> If not, we'll move on to item #2.
[02:09] <snap-l> 3...
[02:09] <snap-l> 2...
[02:09] <snap-l> 1..........................
[02:09] <snap-l> OK, moving on to item 2
[02:09] <snap-l> Team reports
[02:09] <snap-l> Just a quick reminder that team reports are still out there. :)
[02:10] <snap-l> I know November hasn't had much going on outside of CHC and the meetings for the east siders
[02:10] <snap-l> brousch: Anything happening on the west side of note?
[02:10] <brousch> just the usualy grlug meetings
[02:10] <snap-l> kk
[02:11] <snap-l> If anyone else has done anything during the past few months as part of the loco, and doesn't see it mentioned in the team reports, feel free to add it, or find someone to give you access to add it. :)
[02:11] <snap-l> It's a wiki. It wants to be edited. :)
[02:12] <brousch> actually we have been working on a big project. it's all ubuntu, so that's kind of cool
[02:12] <brousch> and python
[02:12] <snap-l> brousch: What's that?
[02:12] <brousch> it's a touchscreen gambling thing for overseas and canada
[02:12] <snap-l> seriously? :)
[02:13] <brousch> they ran on windows, but crashed a lot, so we've been working on getting the touchscreen, receipt printer, and bill validator working
[02:13] <snap-l> Hah, that's awesome.
[02:13] <brousch> something like 450 units shipping
[02:13] <brousch> we are not selling them, just getting the linux part running for the manufacturer
[02:14] <snap-l> Which manufacturer?
[02:14] <snap-l> There's only a handful of them out there.
[02:14] <brousch> i have no idea
[02:14] <brousch> wait, this is it http://doncarboneentertainment.com/
[02:14] <snap-l> Regardless, that's very cool. I'm jealous.
[02:15] <snap-l> Don Carbone. Sunds like a Godfather character. ;)
[02:15] <brousch> i know, kind of scary
[02:15] <snap-l> http://doncarboneentertainment.com/images/DC%20Entertainment%20&%20Sportbetting%20Porfolio_2_img_10.jpg
[02:16] <snap-l> That's pretty strange. :)
[02:16] <snap-l> Anywho...
[02:16] <brousch> flash app
[02:16] <snap-l> Cool that they're tapping in to the community for help
[02:17] <brousch> yes, well, kind of a roundabout thing there
[02:17] <snap-l> I've long held that Windows doesn't have a place in vending equipment.
[02:17] <snap-l> And if they allow the results to be OSSed, that would be a huge win
[02:17] <brousch> i was surpised the group went with ubuntu since they mostly use other distros
[02:17] <snap-l> I know there's several folks out there that were looking for help with bill changers and Linux
[02:18] <brousch> yeah, they're kind of a bitch. the last thing we're working on i think
[02:19] <snap-l> Anyways, major rathole aside... :)
[02:19] <snap-l> 2b: IRC meetings for 2012
[02:19] <snap-l> I know we mentioned moving this meeting in the past
[02:19] <snap-l> and I'm not opposed to that
[02:19] <Neal__> Looks kind of like Party Poker
[02:20] <snap-l> seems that Sunday nights are a little quiet for participation
[02:20] <brousch> shouldn't be
[02:21] <snap-l> So, I'd like to ask if folks want to move the meeting to a different day / time, or if this is working just fine.
[02:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> im up at 5am
[02:22] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: I'm not
[02:22] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok
[02:22] <snap-l> and will never be, unless someone lit a fire under me
[02:22] <snap-l> (this is not an invitation)
[02:23]  * brousch puts the matches away
[02:23] <snap-l> Might be better to ask this on the mailing list. :)
[02:24] <brousch> that would make sense
[02:24] <snap-l> Since that way we can get more of the folks that aren't here. :)
[02:24] <snap-l> OK, I'll post something on the list, and we'll get some feedback that way.
[02:25] <snap-l> OK, any other team Business?
[02:27] <snap-l> Any other business in general?
[02:28] <mydogsnameisrudy> what can someone new do to help
[02:29] <brousch> evangelize?
[02:29] <Neal__> What/where are the teams?
[02:29] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: There's also assisting with bug reporting, development, packaging
[02:29] <mydogsnameisrudy> i could load the alpha on a system and test it
[02:29] <brousch> there is only the michigan team
[02:30] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: that would be aswesome, but I'd caution against using it on your main machine for now
[02:30] <brousch> but we have sub-groups in locations where anyone wants to run one
[02:30] <snap-l> not that I think it'll do bad things, but I don't want you upset if it does. :)
[02:30] <mydogsnameisrudy> i have a few laptops
[02:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok ill look into that then
[02:32] <snap-l> There are several teams that you can get involved with as well
[02:32] <snap-l> #ubuntu-community-team for helping with the community teams
[02:33] <snap-l> I'd recommend checking out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams for each of the teams that are out there
[02:33] <Neal__> As new as I am, I'd be hardpressed to add much I'm sure.
[02:33] <snap-l> (not sure how up-to-date that list is, but it'll give you a start)
[02:33] <snap-l> Neal__: Nothing wrong with diving in. :)
[02:33] <snap-l> We all start green
[02:33] <brousch> brown
[02:34] <snap-l> but then some of us go blue instead. ;)
[02:34] <Neal__> Ya...I feel like I've still got a ways to go just to be green.
[02:34] <snap-l> Neal__: That's why we're here.
[02:34] <snap-l> We help each other grow
[02:35] <snap-l> There are also several of our members that have become Canonical employees
[02:35] <snap-l> and others that are mistaken for being Canonical employees.
[02:35] <Neal__> Ubuntu is that companies
[02:36] <snap-l> Canonical is the company behind Ubuntu
[02:36] <Neal__> 'Oops...Ubuntu is that companies 'Baby' right?
[02:36] <snap-l> but they don't own or control it
[02:36] <snap-l> The community drives it
[02:36] <Neal__> OK
[02:37] <snap-l> although at times Ubuntu has been taken in directions by Canonical
[02:37] <Neal__> Like now with the Unity thingy?
[02:37] <snap-l> It's not nearly as contentious as some blogs / news organizations make it out to be. :)
[02:37] <snap-l> Neal__: Yep, that's a good example.
[02:37] <Neal__> I just got it, and really do like it
[02:38] <snap-l> That's awesome.
[02:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> classic
[02:38] <snap-l> Before we get too far into the weeds, any other business?
[02:38] <snap-l> if not, we can call this meeting adjourned.
[02:39] <snap-l> Thanks everyone for showing up, and participating. Stay awesome!
[02:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> bring in the dancing girls
[02:39] <jrwren> and boys
[02:39] <Neal__> Break out the B...........
[02:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> oh not that
[02:39] <snap-l> Full production number.
[02:39]  * jrwren wayves show fingers
[02:40] <snap-l> JAZZ HANDS
[02:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok is the alpha out on iso?
[02:40] <snap-l> It's available for download, but I believe this is not going to fit on a CD-R
[02:40] <jjesse> evening
[02:40] <snap-l> I believe this release is going to break the 650MB limit.
[02:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> dvd then
[02:40] <jjesse> snap-l,  they announced it at UDS
[02:40] <jrwren> CD is dead tech.
[02:40] <jrwren> i want netboot back.
[02:41] <jjesse> for 12.04
[02:41] <jrwren> 10yrs ago debian TFTP booted and installed all from FTP/HTTP extremely well.
[02:41] <snap-l> jrwren: I want a gigabit pipe to my house.
[02:41] <brousch> you can still do that
[02:41] <brousch> one of the guys in grlug does it
[02:41] <jrwren> i do it in my home, but I setup a mirror on my home box to do it.
[02:41] <snap-l> TFTP, talk about dead tech
[02:42] <jrwren> I've not seen it done with ubuntu to a non mounted package source.
[02:42] <jrwren> TFTP ain't dead, it is used everywhere.
[02:43] <brousch> they might tftp boot the iso
[02:43] <jrwren> well, not exactly, but very close to that, yes.
[02:43] <jrwren> that is what I do.
[02:44] <jrwren> but i'm talking, you only download a 10MB bootstrap, boot that, and the rest is http, you don't have to download separately.
[02:44] <jjesse> just PXE boot the sucker and pull it from a mapped drive
[02:44] <brousch> debian still has that
[02:44] <_stink_> +a.
[02:44] <_stink_> er
[02:44] <_stink_> +1.
[02:44] <jrwren> yeah, debian does, why ubuntu never adopted it, I'll never understand. i guess because of hte power of the CDR
[02:45] <snap-l> Yep, the CD-R is powerful
[02:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> everyone has one now
[02:46] <jrwren> i don't.
[02:47] <jrwren> i'm getting rid of mine.
[02:47] <jrwren> i almost never use optical media of any kind.
[02:47] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: except for Macbook Airs, my IBM Thinkpad X120E, and a slew of Netbooks. :)
[02:47] <snap-l> jrwren: But, how do you rip CDs? :)
[02:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> the everyday person will have one
[02:47] <rick_h_> snap-l: you're forgetting you're in the aging crowd of "buying physical media"
[02:48] <jjesse> i have a usb cd/dvd that i use
[02:48] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh, I thought I was in the crazy crowd of "hoarders"
[02:48] <jjesse> i took the cd drive out of laptop for an extra drive
[02:48] <jrwren> snap-l: touche!
[02:49] <jrwren> i still love audio cds.
[02:49] <jrwren> i still buy 'em.
[02:49] <jrwren> digital is great and all, but I like the art, I like buying from the artist.
[02:49] <snap-l> rick_h_: I wanted to punch someone in the neck when I heard on TWiT that Spotify can replace physical and m3 downloads.
[02:49] <jrwren> probably more than 75% of my music has been signed by artist over the past 5 yrs :)
[02:50] <snap-l> If they sold FLAC, I might not care so much
[02:50] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, I know. but I did some polling, in my family I think I can round towards 80% haven't bought a cd this year
[02:50] <rick_h_> itunes + streaming ftw
[02:50] <jrwren> dude, nearly every sentence I hear on TWIT makes me wnat to punch someone.
[02:50] <snap-l> assuming artwork and other stuff.
[02:50] <rick_h_> and that's a lot of younger kids, etc
[02:50] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, it does wear after a bit doesn't it
[02:50] <snap-l> yeah, I'm the only one buying CDs
[02:50] <rick_h_> snap-l: someone is buying them, they're still all over stores
[02:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> last cd i got was the blackkeys
[02:51] <rick_h_> but I'm having a hard time finding those people these days
[02:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: Blame me
[02:51] <rick_h_> I think the cd player in cars is to blame
[02:51] <snap-l> I love CD sound over Mp3s
[02:51] <rick_h_> my aunt had, but only because she can't hook her phone up to her caddy
[02:51] <rick_h_> the FM tuner crap is awful enough that she bought a cd vs via her handset
[02:51] <jrwren> i'm fine with mp3, as long as I know from where it came.
[02:51] <snap-l> Yeah, I'd believe it
[02:52] <snap-l> jrwren: there's a huge sonic difference.
[02:52] <jrwren> show me the EAC log and make it lame v0
[02:52] <jrwren> no there isn't.
[02:52] <snap-l> Even between 320KB
[02:52] <jrwren> most of us don't have the audio equipment or the ears to hear the difference.
[02:52] <snap-l> jrwren: Want to take the test? :)
[02:52] <jrwren> I've taken the test.
[02:52] <jrwren> i know my ears, I know mp3
[02:52] <snap-l> I can tell the difference.
[02:52] <jrwren> 320 is poorer than v0
[02:53] <jrwren> VBR > CBR
[02:53] <snap-l> good headphones, excellent source material
[02:53] <snap-l> stereo separation is key
[02:53] <jrwren> yes, I have to pull out my sennheiser hd25 to tell
[02:53] <snap-l> mp3 joint stereo kills the soundstage more than anything
[02:53] <jrwren> my usual shit phones or in ears don't cut it.
[02:53] <jrwren> why is that? it is still stereo.
[02:54] <snap-l> It tries hard to compress it down
[02:54] <jrwren> ah, joint stereo is only when v is 4 or higher with lame... so NEVER use it.
[02:54] <jrwren> v0 is only thing I use.  v2 isn't too bad if you REALLY need extra squeez
[02:54] <jrwren> neither uses joint stereo
[02:54] <snap-l> i compress OMC with v0
[02:55] <snap-l> I'd release with FLAC if I had the disk / bandwidth
[02:55] <jrwren> but this is kinda the point... if you don't know how it was compressed, and you have never heard a lossless, how do you know what you are hearing?  right?
[02:55] <snap-l> Well, and I think that's where people make the mistake that digital = crap
[02:55] <jrwren> i don't buy amazon or itunes or anything, becuase I have no idea how it was compressed
[02:55] <snap-l> and why we're seeing a resurgence in Vinyl.
[02:55] <jrwren> right.
[02:55] <jrwren> hehe.
[02:55] <jrwren> and hipster audio cassettes!
[02:56] <snap-l> God, audio cassettes are the worst
[02:56] <snap-l> All the sound of a sock drawer mixed witht he reliability and long-term wear of vinyl.
[02:57] <snap-l> The only thing they offered was portability
[02:57] <snap-l> but when CDs came down in price, and portable units were inexpensive, I knew that CD was the way to go
[03:00] <jrwren> portability and easy recordability
[03:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> cya at 5am im off
[03:05] <snap-l> laterness.
[03:05] <snap-l> I'm off as well
[03:08] <Neal__> Was fun...I'll be back....
[03:09] <snap-l> Neal__: Awesome!
[03:09] <snap-l> Neal__: btw: if you want, at a later time we can show you specialized clients for connecting to IRC
[03:09] <snap-l> so you don't have to keep a web browser up
[12:12] <rick_h_> ugh, still so sleepy
[12:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning ..... it snowed today
[13:09] <brousch> ug work power outage is always fun
[13:10] <brousch> at least nothing died this time
[13:13] <rick_h_> well that is a plus
[13:13] <brousch> it's extra fun because i still have some things on old servers, so i have to fire up 4 things in a certain order
[13:14] <rick_h_> oh joy, automate automate
[13:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> did a dualboot of 12.04 alpha installer crashed ;)
[13:15] <rick_h_> python runs on windows I hear :)
[13:16] <brousch> automate pushing power buttons?
[13:16] <rick_h_> sure, you don't have a fancy remote control power strip you can send messages to? :)
[13:17] <rick_h_> sorry, I read that as "in a certain folder"
[13:17] <brousch> doesn't do much good when the first thing i need to turn on is the internet firewall
[13:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> wonders is brouschs chair has wheels on it
[13:17] <brousch> :P
[13:18] <brousch> it does, but i don't ride it into work
[13:24] <Wolfger> morning
[13:28] <brousch> monday
[13:57] <brousch> deasnakes PPA ftw http://readthedocs.org/docs/ncoghlan_devs-python-notes/en/latest/venv_bootstrap.html
[14:03] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, PPAs are nice
[14:11] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, the installer crashed on me as well
[14:11] <snap-l> for 12.04
[14:11] <snap-l> amd64
[14:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> its running now
[14:12] <snap-l> Near the end it crashes
[14:13] <snap-l> I filed a bug report on it
[14:16] <rudyonalpha1> test
[14:16] <snap-l> Received.
[14:16] <rudyonalpha1> thx
[14:19] <rudyonalpha1> hmmm were did they hide the screensaver optoins
[14:19] <snap-l> Gnome 3 doesn't believe in screensavers.
[14:20] <snap-l> not sure if they're coming back in 11.10, but for 11.10, the only option is blank screen
[14:20] <rudyonalpha1> oh lol ok so there is not screensaver
[14:20] <snap-l> ayep
[14:31] <rudyonalpha1> firefox will not install flash plugins
[14:39] <brousch> barbaric
[14:42] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/850264 <- This would explain the installer bug
[14:45] <rudyonalpha1> im not on amd64 so is that something else
[14:46] <rudyonalpha1> it crashed on the cd installer , then worked after it got to gui screen installer
[14:47] <smoser> greg-g, that talks really good.
[14:47] <smoser> but i have to work, and wasn't able to be cause i was paying attention to it.
[14:47] <smoser> http://vimeo.com/9270320 for others.
[15:10] <snap-l> Yeah, I downloaded it and watched it
[15:11] <snap-l> Basically, it's being skeptical
[15:20] <Wolfger> snap-l: being skeptical on the internet? Hmph. I find that hard to believe....
[15:20] <Wolfger> XD
[15:21] <rick_h_> heh, it's basically "software dev as a business == computer science == science...let's treat it like that kthx
[15:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: Exactly.
[15:28] <snap-l> I love it when people say that Comp Sci isn't a science, or is a soft science
[15:30] <brousch> it's a pseudoscience, like astrology
[15:30] <rick_h_> snap-l: well I'm playing a little loose. I don't think you can say computer science is the study of software development
[15:30] <brousch> cryptozoology
[15:30] <_stink_> cosmetology
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> I don't think of CS as a science any more than I do political science
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> maybe a little more.
[15:31] <rick_h_> but the point is there's science to the practice, so quit trying to make decisions based on "in my experience" type observations
[15:31] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: I think the amount of math I had to get through to get my CS degree adds a bit more science to it than political science
[15:31] <_stink_> in my experience, return 'False!
[15:31] <_stink_> in my experience, return 'False!' works great!
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> yes
[15:32] <_stink_> that's a little joke for ColonelPanic001.
[15:32] <_stink_> and for everyone else: yes, there is code around here that does that.
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> I have a coworker with, shall we say, an advanced degrree in CS
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I had to explain to her that return true; might have advantages over return "true";
[15:32] <snap-l> If anyone thinks that Comp Sci isn't a science, I'll gladly hand them Knuth's Art of Computing and watch them run
[15:33] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: God, that drives me nuts
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> I just was amused that I had to explain that a string with length is "true".
[15:33] <snap-l> Like the folks that said there wasn't anything wrog with VB's variant type
[15:34] <snap-l> or why they were having trouble with VB's true vs. MVC's return 0. ;)
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> I'm not familiar with VB, but I'll take your word for it
[15:35] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: I'll probably get corrected by jrwren, but my understanding is it was a catch-all type
[15:35] <snap-l> so you could put in true, integers, or characters
[15:35] <snap-l> and it took 4 bytes, regardless
[15:35] <snap-l> it felt very sloppy to me
[15:36] <snap-l> (this was in VB6-era)
[15:36] <snap-l> also, true = -1
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> ah
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> ...true is -1?
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> blasphemy
[15:36] <snap-l> so comparing -1 with return 0 would never be valid.
[15:36] <snap-l> it was pretty screwy
[15:37] <snap-l> Yeah, I think they were trying to prevent people from comparing true to 1 or some shit
[15:37] <snap-l> though I think you could have abs(true). (Absolute Truth). ;)
[15:38] <ColonelPanic001> I think they just were sick basards
[15:38] <snap-l> It's been a while since I've even touched VB
[15:39] <snap-l> but I remember the instructor in the training class getting tripped up by MVC returning 0, and having it not match True.
[15:40] <brousch> i have a lot of true is -1 in my access tables
[15:40] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, that's just wonky to me
[15:41] <brousch> it is
[15:49] <snap-l> Hm, I think I'm not getting my rebate from Asus
[15:49] <snap-l> sent in the rebate around 8/26
[15:50] <snap-l> something tells me it's been over 8 weeks. :)
[16:05] <rick_h_> oops
[16:05] <rick_h_> I tend to consider rebates "bonus" and don't tend to expect or make decisions based on them
[16:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, me either
[16:07] <snap-l> but I have a project attached to it, and a waiting for on it
[16:07] <snap-l> and just looked at the create date.
[16:07] <rick_h_> ah, lol
[17:00] <snap-l> Sent my mom the following link regarding some alleged wal*mart scam: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=retailer+cash+back+scam
[17:00] <snap-l> Getting really tired of her sending me these fucking forwards that can be disproved with a simple search.
[17:03] <brousch> oh my
[17:03]  * greg-g waves
[17:03] <brousch> you sent your mom to lmgtfy?
[17:17] <snap-l> brousch: Yes
[17:17] <snap-l> yes, I did
[18:37] <Blazeix> cool: https://github.com/blog/993-ordered-list-is-a-githubber
[18:37] <Blazeix> i've been enjoying ordered list's blog for a while; I only wish they updated it more
[18:38] <brousch> ordered list comes to grwebdev regularly
[18:38] <Blazeix> ah, neat
[18:38] <brousch> nice guys
[18:52] <brousch> Blazeix: bkeepers 1:37pm via Echofon not my most flattering picture bit.ly/ssgQnk
[18:52] <brousch> silly
[19:06] <snap-l> I have never used any of those packages.
[19:10] <Blazeix> not even speakerdeck? they're a pretty common way to share presentation slides.
[19:12] <brousch> it's pretty new
[19:12] <rick_h_> yea, same here
[19:12] <rick_h_> heard of it, but not used it
[19:14] <brousch> orderedlist is based in south bend
[19:14] <Blazeix> yeah, that's neat; i didn't know there were hip companies in indiana :D
[19:15] <Blazeix> (i'm allowed to say that as a former 8-year resident)
[19:15] <brousch> i went to high school in niles
[19:16] <snap-l> I thought the only thing in Indiana was despair and a shitty KFC.
[19:17] <snap-l> apparently I should update the travel-guide to include "brousch education"
[19:17] <Blazeix> hey, their chief exports are popcorn and ducks. serious business.
[19:17] <rick_h_> Blazeix: http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-nexus-starting-arrive-verizon-stores
[19:17] <Blazeix> bazinga
[19:17] <snap-l> rick_h_: jesus, you're like a little kid on Christmas morning
[19:17] <snap-l> except with a larger toy on the lis
[19:17] <snap-l> t
[19:17] <rick_h_> snap-l: dude, they told me they were going to release it in Nov
[19:17] <rick_h_> and you were online when we watched the damn video via hangout
[19:17] <rick_h_> so not like this is new
[19:18] <snap-l> And it'll be obsolete by the time you open th fucking wrapper
[19:18] <Blazeix> so that's in line with the 12/5 release
[19:18] <rick_h_> fine, but if I'm going to live with it for 2yrs, I want it to be the damn obsolete phone I picked out
[19:18] <snap-l> because HTC will have announced the spoogematron 2500
[19:18] <rick_h_> Blazeix: 5 or 8th
[19:18] <rick_h_> some time this week hopefully Blazeix
[19:18] <Blazeix> rick_h_: oh? that'd be swell
[19:18] <snap-l> and Motorola will have announced the Dildroid
[19:19] <Blazeix> snap-l: they already announced the droid 4, if you're into hardward keyboards
[19:19] <snap-l> Now with 3 1/2 CPUs of awesome
[19:19] <rick_h_> yea, razr + keyboard
[19:19] <Wolfger> snap-l: there's a Niles in Indiana too? I just thought there was one in Michigan near the border... ;-)
[19:19] <Blazeix> nah, we're up to the quattro now, 4 cores
[19:19] <snap-l> Blazeix: They're rounding up
[19:19] <Blazeix> cheaters
[19:20]  * Wolfger ponders the half-core
[19:20] <Blazeix> oh, crap, I said 12/5 release date, I meant 12/12
[19:20] <brousch> Wolfger: yes, niles, mi
[19:20] <Blazeix> that's the one I've seen floating around
[19:20] <brousch> i was not educated in indiana
[19:21] <Wolfger> brousch: I figured...
[19:21] <Wolfger> I used to have friends in Niles/Buchanan
[19:21] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, I'm thinking 8th/9th has been floating for a while, and if they're shipping monday would hopefully fit
[19:21] <Wolfger> then they got divorced, he moved to Indiana (wtf?) and she's no longer a friend :-p
[19:24] <brousch> yes, well there are not a lot of useful people in niles. we all leave asap
[19:24] <Wolfger> :-)
[19:26] <Wolfger> they do have one heck of a haunted house complex out there for the Halloween season, though
[19:27] <brousch> heh
[20:14] <brousch> omg i love digicam
[20:14] <brousch> the search!
[20:15] <brousch> digikam
[20:52] <snap-l> http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2011/12/05/143032077/vote-for-your-favorite-albums-of-2011 <- Please write in Cloudkicker - Let Yourself Be Huge
[22:00] <snap-l> God.
[22:00] <snap-l> Had an hour meeting that turned into a two hour festival of architect discussion
[23:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: so things are better designed now right? :)