[02:49] <Nikratio> I accidentally uploaded a *wrong* .orig.tar.bz2 file to my PPA, and the server refuses attempts to upload a new, correct file. Is there anything I can do (short of faking a newer upstream version)?
[02:50] <maxb> No, suffixing the upstream version is the right thing to do
[02:50] <Nikratio> I already requested deletion of the corrupt version, I'm not sure if it's still not working because the deletion is still pending or because even deletion doesn't help
[02:55] <Nikratio> oh my. thx.
[09:01] <mrevell> Hallo
[10:22] <hrw> hi
[10:22] <jelmer> hi hrw
[10:23] <hrw> are there any plans to add weekly recipe builds?
[10:23] <hrw> now it can be daily or 'on request'
[10:23] <jelmer> hrw: not that I'm aware of - what's the issue with daily builds?
[10:23] <hrw> when changes are less common then daily then it is waste of cpu time
[10:24] <jelmer> hrw: it only rebuilds daily if there actually were changes
[10:24] <hrw> o..
[10:24] <hrw> so there was no question ;)
[10:24] <jelmer> :)
[10:24] <jelmer> hrw: I take it your recipes are finally working then?
[10:25] <hrw> jelmer: yes, they do
[10:25] <jelmer> great
[10:25] <hrw> need to fix packaging a bit so armel/armhf/powerpc will not be run
[10:33] <hrw> m4 is a language which I will have to learn one day
[10:37] <jelmer> hrw: I'm sorry to hear that.
[10:39] <hrw> ;))
[10:40] <hrw> jelmer: gcc has debian/control.m4 which I hack for over year and would like to understand why my change is ok
[10:52] <hrw> jelmer: but change need to happen in any of branches used in recipe - right?
[10:53] <jelmer> hrw: yeah, doesn't matter which one
[11:02] <hrw> cool
[12:06] <carandraug> hi! Is it possible to change the owner of a team? If so, how?
[12:12] <allenap> carandraug: Yes, it is, though it's a bit hidden. First, you need to be a team admin (or maybe even the current owner...),
[12:12] <allenap> then go to the team page and click "Change details" on the right,
[12:12] <allenap> scroll to the bottom of the change details page and click "Change owner".
[12:18] <hrw> btw - did powerpc builders went off?
[12:19] <hrw> I see that my https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-pkg/+recipe/gcc-linaro-native-daily builds are no longer powerpc
[12:19] <hrw> not that I need them - just noticed. And I had entry on todo list to disable powerpc builds
[12:25] <wgrant> hrw: Your PPA is no longer marked as de-virtualized.
[12:25] <wgrant> It's using the fake virt armel builders instead.
[12:26] <hrw> ok
[12:26] <hrw> btw - what is 'fake virt armel builder'?
[12:27] <wgrant> If you look at https://launchpad.net/builders, you'll see some PPA armel builders.
[12:27] <wgrant> They're not virtualized like the i386/amd64 builders, because ARM virt still sort of sucks.
[12:27] <wgrant> But they pretend to be virtualized, so certain PPAs (like yours) are allowed to build on them.
[12:28] <hrw> arm virt does not exist more or less even
[12:28] <wgrant> Well, all we have is QEMU, which is roughly the definition of "sucks".
[12:29] <hrw> ok, so instead of using arm hardware some builders are now qemu-arm instances?
[12:29] <wgrant> No.
[12:29] <wgrant> There are real ARM machines pretending to be virtualized, so certain PPAs can build on them.
[12:29] <wgrant> There are no similar ppc machines.
[12:30] <wgrant> Which is why your PPA no longer builds on ppc.
[12:30] <hrw> ok
[12:31] <carandraug> allenap, I'm an admin, but I don't see that button. All I see is Change branding, home page, preferred languages and set contact address
[12:33] <wgrant> carandraug: Only the owner can change the owner.
[12:33] <allenap> carandraug: I think the current owner will need to do it. Can you contact him/her?
[12:35] <carandraug> allenap, yes I can. takes a while to get a reply from him, but hopefully I'll manage to get one again
[12:36] <carandraug> wgrant, allenap thank you both. I'll try to contact the owner to change the ownership to me
[12:37] <allenap> carandraug: If you are unable to get a response from the owner, we might be able to help if you request the change via https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, explaining the situation.
[12:39] <carandraug> allenap, it took us almost 2 months to get a first answer from him. He did so yesterday and we exchanged 3 messages by the ubuntu forums and gave me administration privileges immediately. But I'd rather get the ownership from him. If I don't hear from im in 1 wekk I'll do that, thank you
[13:28] <soren> Is the librarian having problems?
[13:28] <soren> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/python-eventlet_0.9.16-1ubuntu1.dsc gives me a 503.
[13:29] <soren> (and that's not the only file doing that)
[13:29] <soren> allenap: ^
[13:30] <soren> Perhaps related: I have a bunch of builds that are stuck waiting for publication: https://launchpad.net/~nebula/+archive/ppa/+packages
[13:41] <om26er_> attachments in bugs are not happening, "503 Service Unavailable" something bad happened?
[13:42] <nigelb> om26er_: see topic
[13:42] <nigelb> launchpad librarian issues.
[13:43] <om26er_> aah
[13:52] <allenap> soren: I'll take a look.
[13:52] <allenap> soren: The librarian issue is being looked into the the GSAs.
[14:02] <soren> allenap: cool
[14:03] <allenap> soren: So far the news is that it's a hardware issue :-/
[14:05] <moreati> I'm working on a remote linked tickets plugin for Trac and reviewing the way Launchpad does it. Is https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/PluginAPISpec reasonably up to date?
[14:08] <moreati> The trac plugin is https://dev.launchpad.net/UserInterfaceWording should anyone be interested
[14:08] <moreati> wrong tab, sorry  http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/RemoteTicketPlugin
[14:53] <andrejz> hello! i have a quick question. If a user uploads translation of a package to laucnhpad does it get counted towards his karma or not?
[14:54] <andrejz> one of our members is complaining he is not getting any karma for translation offline and uploading to LP
[14:54] <andrejz> and i would like to know if this is a bug or expected behaviour
[14:56] <jtv> andrejz: I believe there's some karma, yes, but it gets pretty complicated.
[14:56] <mrevell> andrejz, Hey there. I'm interested to know how important karma is to translators.
[14:57] <andrejz> @mrevell: depends from person to person. to some is an indicator how much they have been working, some don't care but some consider it very improtant and are trying to achieve certain value of karma or certain spot within the team
[14:58] <mrevell> andrejz, Thanks.
[14:58] <andrejz> then those can feel a bit upset if they believe not enough karma has been assigned to them as a reward for their work
[14:59] <andrejz> i have another question. is it possible to somehow querry on which dates a particular user has been translating?
[14:59] <mrevell> andrejz, Do they know that karma degrades over time and that karma is weighted differently depending on where in Launchpad you do things? I'm asking because karma is calculated in  a way that people might consider odd, if they're hoping to achieve a particular score.
[15:00] <andrejz> mrevell, yes i explain it to them
[15:00] <andrejz> for this particular user
[15:00] <andrejz> he uploaded a couple of packages which he translated in KDE (and then also uploaded to LP)
[15:01] <jtv> andrejz: we do have some information about when someone's been translating — we know a user's last contribution to a set of templates, and there's karma as well.
[15:01] <andrejz> and his karma continued to decrease (he got no karma for this work),w ihch made him a bit sad
[15:01] <andrejz> jtv: we would like to do a "5 a day project", which means one should aim to translate 5 strings every day, to make it a part of daily routine and also say, even if you don't have much time you can still do a lot of work over time
[15:01] <jtv> Please tell him not to take the karma too seriously.  It's ultimately a pretty arbitrary thing.
[15:01] <andrejz> i was wondering if it's somehow possible to do trace that
[15:02] <andrejz> @jtv: that's the first thing i said to him
[15:02] <jtv> 5-strings-a-day?  There's other people doing similar things… I'm not sure whether it's technically possible to keep track of that right now; certainly we don't have UI code to make that easy.
[15:03] <andrejz> ok, thanks just wanted to check
[15:04] <jtv> What probably happened in this case is he did some high-karma work a year ago (I think that's what the expiry period is) and that's now expiring faster than he's adding new karma. The last thing he should do is try to keep it up; we wouldn't want our users to  break themselves up for it!
[15:05] <jtv> There is no real consistency in karma.  Sometimes it's easy to get lots for easy, simple stuff that contributes little; sometimes you get nothing for hard but necessary work.  It shouldn't be taken too seriously.
[15:06] <jtv> We do have the translation activity listing on each person's personal Translations page.  That's only one entry per POFile, but per POFile you can also get more information on a particular person's contribution.
[15:06] <jtv> But that's not much help for 5-a-day initiatives because it would mean looking up so many different POFiles.
[15:07] <andrejz> hm, ok. thanks for the explanation
[15:07] <jtv> Sorry the news isn't better; we're currently talking about the need to revamp all this.
[15:10] <andrejz> yeah, that could be pretty cool
[15:10] <andrejz> in the end people always some sort of reward for their effort. Kamra is one of such things
[15:10] <andrejz> always *want*
[15:11] <jtv> Indeed
[19:01] <soren> I have a bunch of PPA packages that are never getting published. What's going on?
[19:02] <Resistance> soren:  publishing can take some time
[19:02] <Resistance> but if the builds freeze
[19:02] <Resistance> or fail
[19:02] <Resistance> then nothing gets published
[19:02] <Resistance> did you check the status of the builds?
[19:02] <soren> Eveyrthing is built. There's a dozen packages. It's been 12hours. I've done thousands of builds.
[19:02] <soren> Not "Thousands of builds" today, obviously.
[19:02] <soren> ..but I 'm quite familiar with the process.
[19:03] <soren> https://launchpad.net/~nebula/+archive/ppa/+packages They're just sitting there.
[19:03] <soren> Have been for many hours.
[19:04]  * Resistance looks
[19:04] <Resistance> i'm not an admin but sometimes i see random things ;P
[19:04] <Resistance> ah you mean the things with "Pending"?
[19:04] <Resistance> yeah, i dunno
[19:05] <Resistance> although i can say...
[19:05] <Resistance> yesterday when i backported (within a PPA) php 5.3.6 from Oneiric to Natty, it took 5 hours for it to actually show up in the published list
[19:06] <lifeless> soren: publisher is disabled until the librarian is fully recovered
[19:06] <Resistance> wait the lplibrarian exploded?
[19:06] <lifeless> see topic
[19:06] <Resistance> ah
[19:06] <Resistance> any eta on the fix?
[19:07] <lifeless> nothing I could stand up and salut
[19:07] <lifeless> e
[19:08] <soren> lifeless: This week?
[19:09] <lifeless> soren: you know how these things go. If we knew it was going to be extended we would say so
[19:09] <lifeless> soren: I simply don't know enough of the various parameters right now!
[19:09] <lifeless> soren: bear with me a little, ok?
[19:10] <soren> lifeless: It wasn't meant as a snarky question. Sorry if it came across that way.
[19:10]  * Resistance loads up his instance of pbuilder :P
[19:11] <soren> lifeless: It was meant as a serious question.
[19:11] <lifeless> sure
[19:11] <lifeless> I think it will be relatively short
[19:12] <lifeless> ubuntu publishing is on hold too - its a big impact
[19:13] <soren> Yeah :-/
[19:13] <soren> I'm sure you're doing all you can. I can see (now) that my question could easily be read as provocative. Sorry about that.
[19:13] <soren> lifeless: ^
[19:13] <lifeless> soren: no worries - and thanks
[19:15] <Resistance> lifeless:  oh that, i can imagine :P
[19:19] <lifeless> ok, so the situation is that a raid array had a drive failure and seized up when given a replacement
[19:19] <lifeless> IS are being appropriately cautious in workaround around it as toasting the array would lose new files since the last backup
[19:21] <lifeless> they are now going to re-degrade it and hard reset things, which should get us back to accessing that data, which we'll suck off to a new home, and then recovery can proceed without regard for the array contents
[19:45] <Resistance> lifeless:  are the builders still working?
[19:45] <Resistance> or is it just the publisher that's down
[19:47] <lifeless> just the publisher
[19:48] <Resistance> so if i upload to the builder i can still get packages built, but not published?
[19:48] <Resistance> (thats assuming the builders arent all frozen)
[19:49] <Resistance> hmm
[19:49] <Resistance> actually
[19:49] <Resistance> lifeless:  according to the build farm page most of the i386 and amd64 builders are down
[19:49] <Resistance> or in this case disabled
[19:50] <Resistance> ignore the i386 part, its the amd64s that are down
[19:52] <lifeless> I'm not aware of anything directly affecting the build farm
[19:52] <Resistance> lifeless:  https://launchpad.net/builders
[19:53] <Resistance> notice the PPA builders under the AMD category
[19:53] <Resistance> ignore the working builds
[19:53] <Resistance> the rest of them seem to be disabled
[19:56] <lifeless> Resistance: I understand, as I say, I'm not aware of anything specific in this category
[19:56] <Resistance> *shrugs*
[19:56] <Resistance> oh well i'll just wait...
[19:56] <Resistance> semi impatiently...
[19:56] <Resistance> but i'll wait :P
[20:30] <falktx> hey there
[20:30] <falktx> I need help
[20:30] <falktx> launchpad rss posted twice
[20:30] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/kxstudio/+announcements
[20:31] <falktx> I don't see a way to delete the double/second post
[20:31] <falktx> can someone help?
[20:32] <falktx> oh, found it...
[20:32] <falktx> very strange position, not easy to find...
[20:32] <falktx> sorry for the noise
[20:37] <EvilResistance> what noise :P