[01:46] <Hilikus> how do i install pulseaudio from 12.04 into 11.10?
[01:50] <FernandoMiguel> Hilikus: you do know there's a lot depending there, right?
[01:50] <FernandoMiguel> pulse. alsa, kernel, etc
[01:50] <FernandoMiguel> Hilikus: I would go with audio team ppa
[01:51] <Hilikus> no, because i haven't been able to try to install it
[01:51] <Hilikus> ok
[01:51] <Hilikus> which ppa is that? they compile pulse for 11.10?
[01:57] <FernandoMiguel> Hilikus: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[01:57] <FernandoMiguel> stopped on natty
[01:58] <Hilikus> FernandoMiguel: that's pulse 0.9.22
[01:58] <Hilikus> :S
[13:32] <gnomefreak> anyone else seeing unity_support crashing?
[13:33] <pangolin> not since i switched to KDE
[13:33] <pangolin> unhelpful, sorry :/
[13:35] <bjsnider> yeah, at least kde is crash-free
[13:35] <pangolin> I don't know about that
[13:35] <pangolin> just that i gave up on Unity...
[13:49] <matrixa1> unity is a lagfest
[13:49] <matrixa1> especially on mesa
[13:50] <gnomefreak> im not lagging
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:02] <gnomefreak> hi BluesKaj
[14:02] <BluesKaj>  hi gnomefreak
[14:19] <BluesKaj> I'm confused , if I install ubuntu 12.04 on my other pc (running kubuntu 12.04 here) , what desktop will be the default or do I choose during the install
[14:19] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:19] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: unity is default in Ubuntu
[14:20] <gnomefreak> its either 2D or 3D you can choose when you login
[14:20] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, yeah, I was afraid of that :P
[14:21] <BluesKaj> I have nvidia 8400gs card installed on that pc , so it should up to the task of running unity in 3D
[14:21] <BluesKaj> should be
[14:22] <BluesKaj> I'm curious about all the fuss and complaining about unity
[14:23] <gnomefreak> it should. hell im using default ati drivers and it works great
[14:23] <gnomefreak> it has bugs a lot of them at times. right now the only one i have is unity_support crash on login
[14:23] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[14:24] <Vegar> Why isn't python-gobject-cairo packages for python3 as well?
[14:24] <Vegar> (this also goes for oneiric)
[14:25] <Vegar> packaged*
[14:31] <gnomefreak> Vegar: its in 12.04
[14:32] <gnomefreak> source package is pygobject
[14:33] <gnomefreak> ubottu: info python-gobject-cairo
[14:33] <gnomefreak> Vegar: ^^^
[14:33] <gnomefreak> its in both releases
[14:41] <Vegar> gnomefreak: I can't find it
[14:41] <Vegar> gnomefreak: python-gobject-cairo is for python 2.6 and 2.7
[14:42] <Vegar> gnomefreak: following the naming scheme used for other packages, I am looking for python3-gobject-cairo
[14:43] <gnomefreak> Vegar: in terminal type without the "s "apt-cache policy python-gobject-cairo" it will tell you wher eit is than you need to make sure that repo is enabled. its in main so you should have it enabled but check anyway
[14:43] <gnomefreak> Vegar: `it doesnt have a 3 in it
[14:44] <Vegar> gnomefreak: that's the problem
[14:44] <gnomefreak> its version 3.0 why is that an issue>?
[14:44] <Vegar> gnomefreak: python-gobject-cairo does NOT have support for python3
[14:45] <gnomefreak> than why is it version 3.0
[14:45] <Vegar> version 3 of cairo
[14:45] <Vegar> or python-gobject
[14:45] <gnomefreak> the package you are looking for is there. now if that is not the issue file a bug on i t
[14:45] <Vegar> here is what python-gobject-cairo contains:
[14:45] <Vegar> /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.7/gi/_gi_cairo.so
[14:45] <Vegar> /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/gi/_gi_cairo.so
[14:45] <Vegar> no .so for python3.0
[14:45] <Vegar> or 3.2 or whatever
[14:46] <Vegar> it is version 3.0 of the gobject-introspection libraries
[14:47] <Vegar> but it does not have libraries PYTHON 3
[14:47] <gnomefreak> this problem is why we file bugs
[14:47] <Vegar> I see
[14:47] <Vegar> I will do that then
[16:14] <alkisg> I'm interested in installing Precise on a real system (no VM) with btrfs with file system compression on... ...or it's not that stable yet, and I should stick to ext4?
[16:22] <bjsnider> alkisg, the latter
[16:22] <alkisg> Thank you bjsnider
[16:22] <bjsnider> you can convert from extx to btrfs in the future, but not the reverse
[16:23] <alkisg> No problem; I'll postpone the compressed btrfs tests for later on, when it's ready
[16:28]  * alkisg reboots to start the installation...
[17:22] <edgy> Hi, I tried to use virt-manager with spice but it seems precise doesn't support it yet, any idea why?
[17:25] <batlock> does 12.xx use gnome 3 or unity
[17:27] <rigved> batlock: it has unity by default. gnome shell can be easily installed.
[17:27] <Pici> batlock: unity is a shell for gnome 3, but it is not gnome shell.
[19:35] <batlock> so .... is this unity bs going to be in 12?
[19:35] <batlock> or is there something new yall are trying
[19:37] <Ian_Corne> ...
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> batlock: coming from someone who disliked it aswell
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> it's getting better.... give it an honest try
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> use compiz to make it be what you want
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> I did
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> I can _tolerate_ it and use it
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> muli monitor support is still very weak, and I hope they get it fixed before release
[19:38] <Ian_Corne> they're focusing on that
[19:38] <Ian_Corne> in 12.04
[19:41] <bjsnider> you'll soon all be forced to use gnome-shell. one of us! one of us! one of us!
[19:41] <batlock> so if i run compiz with an nvidia 9600gsm and nvidia-current will i see titlebars or will it refuse to draw them like it does in 11.xx
[19:42] <bjsnider> there is no such problem
[19:42] <batlock> funny
[19:43] <bjsnider> that's a support request, not a bug
[19:43] <batlock> actually it happens on multiple systems with different nvidia cards..
[19:43] <batlock> all in 11 (ot in here sorry)
[19:44] <batlock> but gnome3 does look shwagga
[19:44] <batlock> shwagga like unity
[19:48] <bjsnider> batlock, what's the bug number?
[19:48] <batlock> haven't filed one, can't run the bugreporter when that happens
[19:49] <batlock> usually i'm forced to tty1 sudo shutdown -r now
[19:49] <Ian_Corne> how do you expect to get it fixed then?
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> what's currently the best tool to erase a disk?
[19:49] <bjsnider> if unity doesn't work on nvidia, someone _must_ have filed a bug already
[19:49] <batlock> i'm not worried baout that, i'm about to fix it by reverting to 10.10 lts, i'm only in here, to ask about 12
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> batlock: you should have logs afterwards?
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> or you could ssh in and get them
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> 10.04 was lts
[19:50] <batlock> the 04's are lts?
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> yes
[19:50] <batlock> my brain needs a kickstart then
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> and every even pre number
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> but it's not set in stone
[19:50] <batlock> is 11.04 lts?
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> no
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> even numbers
[19:50] <batlock> aah
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> 8.04, 10.04
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> and 12.04
[19:51] <batlock> allright then.. ty
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> but please
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> report the bug
[19:51] <bjsnider> that problem would have been easy enough to fix i'm sure
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> I haven't found the bug yet, and I've had unity on a 5600 card
[19:51] <bjsnider> he just doesn't have nvidia-current installed
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> 6200
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> ah he's gone
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> i've got quit/joins/parts ignored in this channel
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> to much clutter
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> it also works with nouveau I think
[20:03] <FernandoMiguel> is it me, or my PC doesn't know math?
[20:03] <FernandoMiguel> scrub: scrubbing /dev/sdb1 1500299265024 bytes (~1TB)
[20:06] <bjsnider> maybe it's rounding down to the nearest terabyte
[20:07] <Ian_Corne> it does say ~
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> isn't that a bit awkard?
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> [162312.262618] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] 2930277168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.50 TB/1.36 TiB)
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> I'm scrubbung it :D
[20:10] <bjsnider> what does that do, write ones and zeroes like dsx?
[20:12] <FernandoMiguel>  nnsa selects patterns compliant with NNSA Policy Letter NAP-14.1-C;
[20:26] <bjsnider> that's as clear as mud
[20:38] <sskalnik> bjsnider, more clearly http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=u.s.%20nnsa%20policy%20letter%20nap-14.1-c&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDgQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oro.doe.gov%2Fprocurement%2Fitrfp%2Fpdf%2FPolicies%2FNAP%2Fnap14-01.pdf
[20:38] <sskalnik> Er, www.oro.doe.gov/procurement/itrfp/pdf/Policies/NAP/nap14-01.pdf
[20:38] <bjsnider> use a url-shortener man!
[20:38] <sskalnik> tl;dr, three passes of random data
[20:38] <sskalnik> haha yeah, my mistake!
[20:39] <guntbert> bitten by google :)
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> http://mhall119.com/2011/12/unity-phone-mockups/
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> looks nice.
[21:56] <alex_mayorga> Can you fill this up, please? https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/
[22:08] <sskalnik> FernandoMiguel, that looks sweet