robert_ancellbryceh, hey, thanks for the failsafe X fixes!00:28
brycehrobert_ancell, yeah ended up being something simple (but obscure)00:28
achiangif we're on precise, should we expect the lightdm wallpaper to still say 11.10? ;)01:15
achiangi want my achievement badge for running alpha, darnit.01:15
broderachiang: i saw an open bug for it some time ago. i think robert_ancell said he was waiting for a new image to drop in01:19
broder(around the a1 release, possibly mentioned in #ubuntu-release if you felt like hunting it down)01:19
achiangbroder: nah, i'm just feeling a little punchy. not terribly important. :)01:20
robert_ancellbroder, achiang, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/892394.  We have the image now01:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 892394 in unity-greeter "Greeter logo needs to be updated for 12.04" [Medium,Triaged]01:20
pittiGood morning04:49
TheMusoMorning pitti.04:59
TheMusoOk, an update from the last 24 hours or so seems to have broken X for me, both on intel and nouveau... I get Xorg failsafe...04:59
TheMusoI am currently in oneiric.05:00
pittiTheMuso: eek05:00
pittiTheMuso: did you get a new kernel?05:01
pittihm, we didn't release an oneiric kernel yesterday05:01
TheMusopitti: Yes, I did get a new kernel, but the same problem occurs on older kernels. I still have 3.1 for precise installed.05:01
* TheMuso tries from a cold start, brb.05:02
TheMusoOk same thing, I got some logs to look at.05:06
TheMusoHrm, this at the end of the log: [    80.486]  ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log05:08
TheMusoWeird. No errors or warnings in the log.05:09
TheMusoI might have to go back and get dmesg.05:09
pittiTheMuso: could you do grep 'configure ' /var/log/dpkg.log05:09
pittiTheMuso: and only take the parts from your last upgrade?05:09
pittiand pastebin this?05:09
TheMusopitti: If I can recognise the different upgrades, ok.05:10
pittiTheMuso: according to the timestamp, I mean05:10
pittiTheMuso: just take everything since roughly the time of the upgrade, or a bit before05:10
TheMusoOk I'll just mount the precise root partition.05:11
TheMusopitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/761272/05:14
TheMusopitti: Ah hang on, I think I know what it may be, nvm.05:14
pittiTheMuso: sudo apt-get -f install doesn't say anything?05:15
TheMusoI'm playing with some GTK 3 a11y code, and it may be choaking on that for some reason05:15
pittiTheMuso: ah05:15
pittithe main candidates that I see on your list are procps and kernel otherwise05:15
* TheMuso nods.05:16
TheMusoI'll put GTK back and see if that makes a difference.05:16
TheMusopitti: I think the far more likely candidate is my root filesystem for precise is almost/had no space left when i upgraded. :)05:25
TheMusoThanks to LVM, thats easily solvable.05:26
didrocksgood morning07:03
pittihey didrocks07:03
didrocksguten morgen pitti07:03
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pittirickspencer3: hey Rick07:35
rickspencer3hi pitti07:35
didrocksgood morning rickspencer307:37
rickspencer3good morning pitti07:38
didrocksseems rick is blocked in a loop (:07:44
didrockswaow pitti, early reminder :)07:47
pittididrocks: well, 3.5 hours after getting up is still late :)07:51
didrockspitti: oh, you are waking up at 5:30 now, not anymore 6 ?07:52
pittididrocks: well, my wife got up earlier, and I couldn't sleep any more07:52
didrocksok, make sense. Take some break today though :)07:53
pittiheh, sure :)07:53
pittiin fact, I just kind of did07:53
didrockstea break? ;)07:53
pittipackaged new calibre and tried out the new Kindle reader that my mother will get for xmas07:53
didrocksahah :)07:53
pittireally a cute thing07:53
pittiif only it could read epubs07:53
pitti(calibre converts it to mobi)07:54
didrocksmobi is an amazon format?07:54
pittiI'm not sure, but it's been around for a while07:54
desrtpitti: apt-get install rootkit for mom's christmas present? :)07:54
pittiI think mobipocket.com started it07:54
didrocksyeah, seems amazon has taken it and created its propriatery format from it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_formats07:55
didrockshey desrt, up late? :)07:55
micahgdesrt: calibre wasn't vulnerable on Ubuntu :)07:55
desrtdidrocks: ya.  can't sleep.07:56
desrtdunno why07:56
didrockstime to make a dconf release then ;)07:57
* pitti hugs desrt07:57
tkamppeterpitti, hi07:59
pittihey tkamppeter07:59
tkamppeterpitti, can you help the reporter of bug 883585, he has problems to install the package from -proposed.08:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 883585 in cups "Kubuntu 11.10 -- Network/Local Printers found but cannot print - Unable to get printer status" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88358508:00
pittitkamppeter: looking08:01
pittitkamppeter: hm, cups fails to build in precise with08:02
pitticc1plus: warning: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-tautological-compare" [enabled by default]08:02
pittiah, no, just a warning; it just doesn't build with -j408:02
pittiso ignore me08:02
pittitkamppeter: right, so it really fails to build against the new poppler, I'll have a look at porting it08:04
pittitkamppeter: replied to the bug08:06
tkamppeterpitti, thanks.08:14
dpmhey, good morning pitti. We got a late test of oneiric langpacks, would you mind copying the oneiric-proposed zh-hans language pack to oneiric-updates? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA08:16
pittidpm: done08:17
dpmpitti, excellent, thanks :)08:17
pittidpm: and good morning!08:17
pittihey seb128, how are you?09:07
seb128pitti, hey, I'm good thanks, how are you?09:07
pittiseb128: quite fine, thanks!09:07
pittiseb128: I retried glib amd64 built twice, failed so far due to test suite hang09:07
pittiseb128: a local build is working mostly fine, except for two things:09:08
pitti- eog is uninstallable (conflicts:)09:08
pitti- mission-control-5 crashes (i. e. no empathy)09:08
seb128pitti, the ppa version should be installable?09:08
pittiand apparently it causes some/a lot of packages to FTBFS because now you can only #include <glib.h> and not parts of it09:08
pittie. g. inkscape09:08
seb128ok, ricotz mentionned the second one and that he though that could be due to the new glib version (I asked if he had issue with his ppa builds)09:08
bryceherf, inkscape?09:09
seb128I never got why they enforce those single include thing09:09
pittibryceh: I'm about to do a no-change upload to build against new poppler (just tested locally); do you have anything else to upload for it?09:09
seb128pitti, sorry to give your work with the poppler soname changes09:10
pittiseb128: I hope most stuff is just a rebuild; I caught two packages so far which need actual porting09:10
seb128pitti, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644447 has some packages which have issues09:11
pittiseb128: that's ok09:11
ubot2Debian bug 644447 in poppler "Please update poppler to new released 0.18" [Wishlist,Open]09:11
seb128pitti, I talked to the Debian maintainer, he would welcome us sending back to the BTS the builds we fix for poppler 0.18, he's sort of blocking the update in Debian on having fixes available for everything but he didn't have lot of time to work on that recently09:11
pittiseb128: yep, will do09:12
brycehpitti, nope go for it09:12
seb128pitti, in fact ignore the bug, it only discuss one package, I guess we will have to rebuild stuff and see how it goes09:13
seb128pitti, fedora switched to 0.18 for f16 so they likely have patches for stuff that didn't build09:13
pittiseb128: I'll send them as normal bugs with something like "FTBFS with poppler 0.18" or so09:13
pittihah, pdftoipe was simple09:14
seb128pitti, ok, I will keep glib in the ppa for a bit, time to fix at least the t-m-c issue there09:14
pittiseb128: I can't install the PPA version as amd64 hasn't built yet :)09:14
pittiseb128: so there you fixed the eog conflict?09:14
seb128pitti, yeah, I uploaded the new eog to the same ppa09:15
pittiah, I see09:15
pittiseb128: does empathy/t-m-p work for you on i386?09:15
seb128pitti, no, It's indeed buggy, I didn't notice because I'm usually running pidgin09:16
seb128pitti, I guess upstream fixed the issue somewhere in git, I will look for a patch09:16
pittiseb128: thanks09:16
seb128pitti, yw, thanks for testing!09:16
seb128pitti, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=gimp.git;a=blob;f=gimp-2.6.11-poppler-0.17.patch;h=86630897ae259f92a9018e40f3865c7a7858eb3a;hb=HEAD09:18
pittiseb128: thanks09:18
seb128bug #90051509:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 900515 in evince "evince-common conflicts with old evince package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90051509:21
seb128mvo, hey, is there anything special required to move conffiles between binaries?09:22
seb128the apparmor file was in evince in lucid and is in evince-common in precise09:22
seb128we need at least a Replaces but I was wondering if that's enough for a conffile09:22
pittimvo: there's a dpkg maintscript helper for it09:27
pittino, it's not I think09:27
pittithe conffile will still belong to the old package as (obsolete)09:27
seb128pitti, was that for me?09:27
pittierr, yes09:27
chrisccoulsonhey seb128, pitti09:27
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?09:28
pittihey chrisccoulson09:28
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, good thanks. waiting patiently for coffee to brew :)09:28
seb128pitti, hum, are you sure? can the same file be claimed by 2 binaires in the dpkg database?09:29
pittiseb128: no; with replaces: it goes to the new package09:29
pittibut at least a few months ago conffiles were sticky with the old package09:29
seb128pitti, so Replaces is enough?09:30
pittiseb128: well, you can just try it09:30
mvoseb128: is it the same filename?09:30
seb128yeah, I think I will09:30
seb128mvo, yes09:30
pittiseb128: I don't think it will be, but if you test it and it works, then sure :)09:30
mvoseb128: I am not sure if there is a really good way, there is some code in openssh-server from cjwatson that moved a conffile from one package to the other (its from ~2006 or so). not sure if its still needed, but it looks like dpkg-mainainerscript-helper is only about moving it to a new location within the same package09:31
seb128ok, I will try09:31
seb128the dpkg-maintscript-helper manpage and http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling don't cover that case09:31
seb128let me ask on #ubuntu-devel09:32
pittimvo: do you have an idea what could go wrong in bug 850264 ?09:35
pittimvo: would a reduced test case help here?09:35
pittimvo: I'm happy to sit down and produce a small test case, but I guess actually fixing the bug in apt's brain is over my head :(09:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 850264 in apt "given a foreign architecture of i386 on amd64 machine, and an outdated libc, apt tries to remove libc-bin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85026409:35
pittimvo: it seems it prefers taking a foreign architecture package over upgrading the native one or so09:36
* mvo looks09:40
mvopitti: is this new, i.e. a regression from oneiric? there was a chance in the way provides are handled, maybe thats a sideeffect of this09:41
pittimvo: it could also be in oneiric already, but I guess we haven't really tested lucid->oneiric upgrades a lot09:42
pittimvo: but unknown ATM09:42
mvopitti: right09:42
mvopitti: I hope to make the lucid->precise stuff with multiarch working today, its already working in my PPA09:42
pittimvo: oh, great! that means enabling multi-arch during upgrade, or actually fixing this bug?09:43
mvopitti: multiarch during the upgrade, I'm sure that will uncover some more bugs too :)09:43
pittii. e. is it worth for me spending some time on a small test case for this?09:44
pittiah, apparently "yes" then09:44
pittimvo: we already have a QA test for this (which fails due to that bug)09:44
pittibut perhaps QA manually enabled multi-arch there09:44
pittiseb128: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/86753465/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.pdftoipe_20091014-3ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz09:47
mvopitti: so the qa test is to install skype ? thats pretty nice. I will check what the problem resolver is doing09:47
pittiseb128: can it be that the new poppler -dev is missing a libjpeg-dev ?09:47
pittimvo: apparently somethign like that, and then upgrade; but as I said, I'm sure one can reduce that09:48
seb128pitti, let me check09:48
seb128pitti, I will fix it09:49
pittiseb128: ok, thanks; I'll retry pdftoipe afterwards09:49
seb128lol, bug #90064910:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 900649 in unity "Azure instead of Cairo for drawings " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90064910:00
seb128"The new Mozilla's draw renderer Azure outperforms Cairo on benchmarks."10:00
seb128chrisccoulson, it's your fault!10:00
chrisccoulsonit only outperforms cairo on windows btw10:00
chrisccoulsonand by a significant margin as well10:00
chrisccoulsoni think it just wraps around cairo on linux ;)10:01
pittiso it clearly must be faster on linux then!10:01
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Sweetsharkseb128: maybe the reporter meant Microsoft azure? imagine who fast unity could get when rendered in the cloud!11:20
micahgseb128: any luck finding out if webkit 1.8 will have gtk2 support?11:31
seb128no, upstream were at a hackfest and didn't reply on IRC, I will ask again this week11:32
micahgseb128: ok, thanks, I tried to reply to the 1.7.2 announcement asking about it, but got no response either11:33
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seb128didrocks, hey, what do you mean by "building in the unity-team staging ppa https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/staging (and will be moved later on the ppa once autopilot bits are plugged in)"?14:05
seb128didrocks, i.e what is the "will be moved" bit about?14:05
didrocksseb128: basically, packages are uploaded in the "staging" ppa, then autopilot is using this ppa14:05
didrocksif autopilot tells "ok", the validated packages will be copied in the "~unity-team/ppa"14:06
seb128oh ok, so 2 ppas, gotcha14:06
didrocksyw :)14:06
seb128didrocks, oh, and nice to see things moving, well done!14:08
seb128I will try to see if that breaks my 10v ;-)14:08
didrocksseb128: heh, let's see ;)14:08
seb128(no I didn't volunteer to run your endless suit of manual tests :p)14:08
seb128ok, let's annoy some other people :p14:09
seb128hum, no kenvandine14:10
seb128who is next on my list14:10
seb128cyphermox, hey ;-)14:10
seb128cyphermox, how are you?14:10
cyphermoxI'm good14:10
cyphermoxand you?14:10
seb128I'm good thanks14:10
seb128cyphermox, do you plan to sru the new evo as well? (you did e-d-s but not evo from what I can see)14:11
seb128the "spelling errors are underline in yellow" bug is still on our "should be sru-ed" list14:11
cyphermoxwell, I was thinking the color of spelling errors was minor enough, but I can still update it14:12
seb128cyphermox, the changelog from the precise upload list several other issues as well14:12
cyphermoxso I'll do it in a minute, just need to finish something up now ;)14:12
seb128stuff like bug #849960 seems like worth a sru14:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 849960 in evolution "GMail added through Online Accounts disappears" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84996014:13
cyphermoxthat was a fuckup on my part, my script parsed through the upstream changelog, but some of those bugs were already fixed14:13
cyphermox849960 afaik already made it ;)14:13
seb128cyphermox, no need to be "in a minute" or today, I'm just trying to review our desktop oneiric bugslist14:13
seb128cyphermox, it seems like it should be easy enough to just push 3.2.2 as a sru but your call14:14
cyphermoxwell, otherwise I'll forget and it will keep being postponed14:14
seb128cyphermox, thanks!14:14
cyphermoxso finishing an email, and then I'll do it14:14
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didrocksgrrrr, ok, let's forget to make a more clever tarmac patch as any metadata isn't refreshed :/14:31
dobeyhey didrocks14:36
didrocksgood morning dobey!14:37
dobeyhow's it going?14:38
didrocksdobey: well, busy, tried to add something more in tarmac, but will go on on the next topic, will need to get more time to figure out how to refresh the infos :)14:39
didrocksdobey: and you? how are you?14:39
dobeygood. sprinting this week :)14:40
didrocksoh nice, where you are?14:41
didrocksare you*14:41
dobeybuenos aires; sunny and warm :)14:41
didrockswaow, enjoy! :-)14:42
dobeythanks :)14:45
kenvandinedobey, cool!14:49
dobeyhey kenvandine14:49
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i really should update my laptop15:25
chrisccoulsoni haven't updated anything other than firefox nightly since i upgraded to precise15:26
desrtchrisccoulson: see you on the other side, dude15:45
desrti hope...15:45
seb128kenvandine, hey16:17
kenvandinehey seb12816:17
seb128kenvandine, how are you?16:17
kenvandineseb128, and you?16:18
seb128kenvandine, I'm good thanks ;-)16:18
seb128kenvandine, small questions,work for you16:18
kenvandinehehe... as always :)16:18
seb128- bug #893125 is on the "oneiric potential sru" list, should it stay there? seems an easy fix, not sure if you want to queue it with others16:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 893125 in gwibber "GIR fails to find shared library" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89312516:19
seb128the list being: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/oneiric.html16:19
kenvandinei want to queue it with others16:19
kenvandinei plan to do a 3.2.2 SRU this week16:20
seb128kenvandine, i'm trying to clean a bit things there, over time it gets less likely we will sru stuff so I try to close some16:20
seb128ok, I will keep it on the list then thanks16:20
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seb128kenvandine, other thing, dunno if you noticed but I uploaded glib 2.31.2 to the ubuntu-desktop ppa yesterday16:20
seb128kenvandine, telepathy-mission-control seems to be broken with it though, do you think you would have time to have a look or check if upstream has a fix for glib 2.31 somewhere?16:21
seb128kenvandine, no hurry but we might as well fix stuff in the ppa before moving to precise and be in an hurry to fix stuff then ;-)16:22
seb128kenvandine, if you get a fix feel free to upload to the ppa, we will keep using and testing it for some days16:22
seb128kenvandine, thanks16:22
seb128pitti_, welcome back!16:22
pitti_seb128: thanks; still no server :(16:22
pitti_was taking a break16:22
seb128pitti_, :-(16:22
seb128pitti_, I'm sending extra soname updates to the archive btw, sorry about that16:23
pitti_seb128: I'll fight back with everythign I can!16:23
* pitti_ gets a +5 soname buster weapon16:23
pitti_seb128: (just played Diablo 2 for a bit -- I hate hate hate this Duriel guy)16:23
seb128pitti_, well the libminiupnop one should be trivial, I uploaded updates,rebuilds for the 2 rdepends in the default install16:23
seb128pitti_, lol16:23
pitti_2 rdepends? laughable!16:23
seb128yeah ;-)16:24
pitti_we are making good progress with the poppler transition16:24
pitti_currently looking into why cron.nbs doesn't update16:24
pitti_"We now have all unity projects autolanding gracefully and pushed to the staging ppa"16:24
pitti_didrocks: !16:24
seb128pitti_, if,when you feel like tackling another transition we should merge nautilus on Debian, they renamed the extension lib there during the gtk2->gtk3 transition to reflect that it's an abi break16:25
seb128they renamed the binary16:25
seb128we should probably catch that before the lts, we didn't do it in oneiric16:25
didrockspitti_: :)16:25
didrockspitti_: added a note about the merges of the infrastructure changes btw16:26
pitti_didrocks: so you found a solution for the unity tests after all?16:28
pitti_with the X server?16:28
pitti_or doing integration tests in a real live system now?16:28
didrockspitti_: some are working with it, some other (hang) has been disabled right now :/16:28
didrocksand doing integration tests on a live system starts to trigger with autopilot16:28
didrocksbut unfortunatly, I have to chase people for getting the right access, and now, I'm looking at how evan's work has been done16:29
pitti_nice to see branches landing now16:30
pitti_jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_, desrt, agateau: no agenda items on the wiki; anythign to discuss?16:31
pitti_didrocks: should the desktop team use the unity PPA now for dogfooding?16:31
didrockspitti_: I would say not yet, wait on autopilot running16:31
seb128nothing to discuss, I would encourage those on precise to test glib 2.31 which is in the desktop ppa since today16:31
seb128that's aiming to land in precise soon16:31
chrisccoulsoni will upgrade in a bit :)16:32
mterrynone here, just working on deja-dup/duplicity test suites16:32
kenvandinepitti_, nothing from me16:32
seb128the eog version in the ppa is required if you don't want eog to hang16:32
pitti_kenvandine: nothing from partner?16:32
seb128empathy is broken but kenvandine said he will look at the issue with telepathy-mission-control16:32
kenvandinepitti_, i am working on that for the wiki now16:32
agateaupitti_: nothing from me16:32
pitti_kenvandine: do you know whether they are working on providing an RB music store?16:32
pitti_agateau: how is it going for you these days?16:32
kenvandineit's planned, i'll find out when to expect that16:32
kenvandinedobey, ^^16:32
mterryIs "gksudo ls" crashing for anyone else?16:33
agateaupitti_: quite well, thanks, working on checkbox with didrocks and lightdm16:33
pitti_mterry: oh, indeed16:33
mterrypitti_, weird, I'll file a bug16:33
pitti_mterry: hang on16:33
pitti_FYI, apport retracers are currently broken16:34
pitti_on my TODO for tomorrow morning16:34
mterryseb128, should I be living in the desktop PPA during precise then?16:34
pitti_mterry: it's bug 89887416:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 898874 in gksu "gksu crashed with SIGSEGV in __strlen_ia32()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89887416:34
mterrypitti_, cool, thx16:35
pitti_does anyone fancy looking into this?16:35
pitti_if not, I can have a look16:35
seb128mterry, good question, we never well defined how we use the ppa, but it's usually staging stuff aimed at being uploaded soon to the archive, so "yes" ;-)16:35
pitti_incidentally, it's also the bug which breaks teh retracers :)16:35
mterryseb128, is that PPA now standard-operating-procedure for uploads, or just especially risky ones?16:38
pitti_mterry: only for risky ones16:38
seb128mterry, what pitti_ said16:39
pitti_in particular, we can't do binary copies from this, so it's not thatuseful for staging transitions16:39
* pitti_ duplicates twenty more dupes to bug 182629 and writes a bug pattern16:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 182629 in gksu "gksu crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_set_opacity()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18262916:46
pitti_that seems to be another high-profile crasher, and ages old16:46
pitti_(but recent duplicates)16:46
pitti_hm, we are down to two rdepends of gksu16:57
pitti_checkbox-gtk and update-notifier16:57
pitti_mvo: ^ I suppose update-notifier needs that for calling update-manager and apport as root? or does update-manager have polkit support now?16:58
seb128pitti_, can't we just us pkexec as a workaround?16:58
pitti_seb128: for some things, yes (we need to add a .policy there)16:58
pitti_for stuff like apport hooks it's a little tricker as they can run pretty much anything16:59
pitti_I need to think about how to drop the usage from apport with pkexec16:59
seb128pitti_, update-notifier won an aptdaemon backend in Oneiric iirc16:59
pitti_but for calling apport pkexec should work fine16:59
pitti_ok, added 3 bug patterns for the worst gksu crashers and duped all teh bugs16:59
pitti_and restarted retracer17:00
seb128pitti_, seems like update-notifier mostly needs gksu for calling ubuntu-bug17:01
pitti_./data/backend_helper.py:        return _install_all_updates_gksu()17:01
pitti_so that part is now obsolete?17:01
pitti_./data/dbus-helper:    gksudo --message "<b>$2</b>" -- "$1"17:01
pitti_and this stuff?17:01
seb128    if HAVE_APTDAEMON:17:02
seb128        return _install_all_updates_aptdaemon()17:02
seb128    else:17:02
seb128        return _install_all_updates_gksu()17:02
seb128pitti_, for the first one17:02
seb128dbus-helper doesn't seem used17:03
seb128pitti_, I think (but to be confirmed by mvo) that it's only for apport that gksu is needed17:03
pitti_nice, that seems easy to fix then17:03
seb128like all the package management stuff can be done with the aptdaemon backend17:03
pitti_ok, time to stop for today17:05
pitti_good night everyone!17:05
seb128pitti_, 'night!17:05
kenvandinegood night pitti_17:06
ricotzkenvandine, hi17:16
ricotzkenvandine, do you know of problems with telepathy-mission-control-5 5.10? 5.9.1 works fine for me with g-s and empathy, but 5.10 crashes17:17
kenvandinericotz, nope17:18
kenvandineworking fine here17:18
kenvandinericotz, maybe the g-s approver thing is crashing it?17:18
kenvandinenot sure where that lives17:18
ricotzyeah, could be g-s causing it17:19
seb128ricotz, is that using glib 2.31 or 2.30?17:19
ricotzusing 2.3117:19
ricotz5.9.1 works though17:20
seb128kenvandine, ^ it's the glib 2.31 issue I mentioned before, you still run 2.30 right?17:20
seb128ricotz, I've uploaded 2.31.2 to the ubuntu-desktop ppa to get testing before going to precise btw17:20
ricotzseb128, could you push it to the gnome3-ppa too?17:21
seb128that issue got raised by other people today17:21
ricotzto replace the older 2.31.0 version17:21
ricotzseb128, ok, so maybe a regression17:21
kenvandinei am going to be looking at that in a few17:22
ricotzseb128, i will copy the package17:23
seb128ricotz, oh, I just did it17:23
seb128ricotz, eog as well17:23
seb128which has the fix for the hang17:23
ricotzalright ;)17:23
seb128ricotz, why did you do a no change upload of mx to your ppa btw?17:24
ricotzlibcogl6 transition17:24
seb128ricotz, I mentioned it before but we would welcome you asking for sponsoring for stuff like pango or vala or vala-0.1617:24
seb128rather than doing the work once in your ppa to have somebody else redoing it in the archive17:24
ricotzi know, sorry17:25
seb128ricotz, it's not like you couldn't find a sponsor here ;-)17:25
seb128ricotz, btw I uploaded rhythmbox using your ppa version, thanks for the work on it ;-)17:25
xclaessekenvandine, hi. did you already made a fix for the empathy package to ship the MC plugin ?17:26
ricotzseb128, i noticed, thanks17:27
seb128yw ;-)17:27
kenvandinexclaesse, just uploaded it a few minutes ago17:28
kenvandinethx for pointing it out17:28
ricotzseb128, btw the multiarch patch of gnome-disk-utility broke gdu-notification-daemon.desktop17:31
seb128ricotz, in which way?17:31
ricotzit looks in the wrong patch17:32
ricotzon sec17:32
ricotzit looks for "usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdu-notification-daemon" rather than "/usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility/gdu-notification-daemon"17:32
seb128ricotz, thanks17:33
seb128I will have a look if slangasek doesn't beat me to it17:33
dobeykenvandine: soon17:42
kenvandineseb128, ricotz: mission-control is missing schemas17:44
* kenvandine is fixing17:44
seb128kenvandine, is that the issue or another one you spotted while looking at it?17:44
kenvandinei think that is the issue17:44
kenvandinenot sure why it doesn't need the schema with glib 2.3017:45
seb128that would be because desrt restored the abort on missing schemas in 2.31 ;-)17:45
seb128glib that is17:45
kenvandinelove that... grrrr17:45
kenvandinebut it uncovered this problem :)17:45
seb128well his point is that it makes issues obvious17:45
seb128he's sort of right there :p17:45
kenvandinehe always is...17:46
ricotzevery package should have list-missing ;)17:46
seb128ricotz, did you open bugs upstream for the tests you commented in glib to workaround the hangs btw?17:46
ricotzseb128, i mentioned it, but he is aware of it but doesnt really want to fix it, this is only caused running it on old kernels17:47
ricotzand the builder kernel is really old, are there no intentions to update them?17:48
kenvandineseb128, ricotz: fix uploaded to precise17:50
ricotzkenvandine, thanks17:50
didrocksricotz: --fail-missing rather I would say :)17:55
ricotzdidrocks, yeah, but this wont work with some multiarched stuff :\17:57
didrocksricotz: you can rm before calling dh_install if you are sure about what to remove17:58
ricotzdidrocks, i see ;)17:59
didrocksthat's what I basically do in all my packages17:59
seb128didrocks, do you have any objection to move the gnome-session Depends on unity | unity-2d | gnome-shell (>= 3.0) to a Recommends?18:13
seb128or any good reason to not do it?18:13
seb128dobey opened a bug saying he should be able to use gnome-session with his own desktop environment, which seems a fair request ;-)18:14
didrocksseb128: no objection at all, seems reasonable :)18:15
seb128didrocks, thanks18:16
didrocksthanks to you :)18:16
didrockstime for dinner, see you tomorrow guys!18:41
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brycehsmspilla1, heya, I sent a mail but it seems to have bounced.  Got another email address?20:06
bryceh<smspillaz@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>... Deferred: Connection timed out with martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au.20:06
brycehMessage could not be delivered for 5 days20:06
chrisccoulsong'ah, trying to create breakpad symbols from system libraries on all architectures in an automated way is a real PITA20:17
seb128chrisccoulson, what is needed?20:50
chrisccoulsonseb128, so, my original plan was that i would create symbols as part of the firefox build, but that doesn't work unless i start modifying packages to create -dbg packages (as the firefox build can't use anything from the ddebs archive)20:51
chrisccoulsonso i'm trying to create them separately without modifying any packages20:51
chrisccoulsonbut the google tool to create the symbols only works on binaries compiled on the same arch as the tool20:52
chrisccoulsonwhich is a bit of a pain20:52
chrisccoulsonso i'm trying to fix that, but i'm basically just forking breakpad to try and make it work ;)20:52
chrisccoulsonit's turning out to be a lot more work that i originally planned20:53
seb128chrisccoulson, can't you just use a pbuilder somewhere with a ddeb source?20:53
chrisccoulsonpossibly. i'm currently doing it without pbuilder and have it working on 1 arch (amd64)20:54
chrisccoulsonseb128, so, i think i have another idea21:04
chrisccoulsoni could actually pull the debug symbols from ddebs on chinstrap, make a source package out of them and upload them to a PPA with breakpad21:05
chrisccoulsonthat wouldn't work on armel though :/21:05
chrisccoulsoni guess it would be good enough to work on amd64/i386 for now though21:08
seb128chrisccoulson, well you could ask for a non virtual ppa ... and is firefox working on armel and having actual users there?21:08
chrisccoulsongood question :)21:08
chrisccoulsoni think amd64/i386 would be good enough21:08
seb128gut feeling: you wouldn't loose much by not supporting armel debug symbols21:08
seb128slangasek, hey21:08
chrisccoulsonthen i can use my existing script which is used for uploading the firefox symbols to upload the new distro-symbols21:08
chrisccoulsoni think that would work21:08
slangasekseb128: hi there21:08
seb128slangasek, your gnome-disk-utility multiarch port has a bug, do you have time to look at it or should I try to add it to my todolist? ;-)21:09
slangasekseb128: I suppose I can take time out from breaking other packages for multiarch to look :)21:09
seb128slangasek, ok, great ;-)21:10
seb128slangasek, you made the gnome-disk-utility.install move stuff from /usr/lib/*/gdu* to /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility but /etc/xdg/autostart/gdu-notification-daemon.desktop still references to the multiarch dir21:12
seb128slangasek, do you want a bug report about it?21:12
slangasekseb128: nah, I'll take it from there21:12
seb128slangasek, thanks21:12
slangasekseb128: fixed & uploading21:30
seb128slangasek, thanks! (did you update the Debian bug, just to make sure pitti picks the fix when he does the update in Debian)21:31
slangasekseb128: I'll do that next21:31
seb128excellent ;-)21:31
jasoncwarner_TheMuso RAOF bryceh and robert_ancell, don't forget to update wiki with your weeks highlights and add any agenda items if needed. http://memeburn.com/2011/12/steve-jobs-being-an-asshole-is-okay-when-youre-a-genius/21:50
jasoncwarner_i mean...woops21:51
seb128jasoncwarner_, stop pinging robert_ancell when he's not online ;-)21:54
TheMusojasoncwarner_: Done.21:54
jasoncwarner_seb128: it's part of my aussie autokey ;)21:55
desrtseb128: looks like it worked22:01
seb128desrt, hey22:01
seb128desrt, what?22:01
desrt16:54 < seb128> jasoncwarner_, stop pinging robert_ancell when he's not online ;-)22:01
desrt16:57 -!- robert_ancell [~bob@ppp121-44-205-22.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-desktop22:01
seb128it was not summoning him, it was pinging about something he was not there to read ;-)22:01
robert_ancelldesrt, I felt a great disturbance in the force at 08:5422:02
seb128hey robert_ancell22:02
seb128robert_ancell, hide, I'm not sure jasoncwarner_ saw you yet :p22:03
desrtrobert_ancell: good morning22:03
jasoncwarner_hey robert_ancell :) just reminding people to put their stuff up on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-12-06 for the week and to make agenda items if they have any22:03
seb128chrisccoulson, stop flooding the precise desktop list with firefox testsuit issues :p22:04
desrtrobert_ancell: actually, he originally told you that he thinks you're an asshole, but it's okay because you're also a genius22:04
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i thought it would be a good idea to start tracking individual failures until i realized how many there are22:04
chrisccoulsonthen i realized it wasn't a good idea ;)22:04
robert_ancelldesrt, then I make a good open-source hacker :)22:05
jasoncwarner_TheMuso RAOF bryceh and robert_ancell no agenda items, so no meeting. cheers.22:05
seb128chrisccoulson, btw is there any progress on fixing the session handling issue and the a11y gsettings one? and the tb preferences not fitting on a netbook screen?22:05
seb128chrisccoulson, they are all on the oneiric list, I wondering if it makes sense to keep them there22:05
chrisccoulsonseb128, they're on my list ;)22:05
seb128jasoncwarner_, seems like meetings handling are efficient nowadays ;-)22:06
chrisccoulsoni have no idea how i'm going to fix these reftest failures that only have 1 pixel incorrect22:06
seb128chrisccoulson, well, oneiric is mostly over, you still aim to fix them there?22:06
chrisccoulsonseb128, any fixes which land upstream will end up in oneiric at some point22:07
robert_ancellRAOF, bryceh, so I was looking at xtest - it's pretty basic22:07
seb128that's true22:07
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brycehrobert_ancell, yeah22:22
robert_ancellbryceh, I love the snprintf test.  Really starting at the bottom :)22:22
brycehyeah I think xtest is legacy from the annals of history or something22:22
brycehdon't think the X guys even consider improving it to be worth the effort22:24
brycehrobert_ancell, they've been putting together  a new xserver test suite though, which is located in xserver's test/ dir, and can be invoked via 'make check'22:24
robert_ancellbryceh, is that the stuff like "input.c"?22:25
brycehrobert_ancell, it only tests a few really specific chunks of code, so not really a general purpose test22:25
brycehrobert_ancell, that's correct22:25
robert_ancellbryceh, yeah, that one looks quite comprehensive22:25
brycehthe current git tree has added several more things22:26
brycehfixes.c  input.c  list.c  misc.c  string.c  xfree86.c  xi2/  xkb.c  xtest.c22:26
smspilla1bryceh: oh, eh, my stupid mail client23:06
smspilla1bryceh: sometimes it decides my local hostname would be a better for for the from: field23:06
brycehsmspilla1, ouch23:07
toddnine Any ideas why google chrome doesn't appear in the list of browsers to make my default browser?  I've tried configuring it from the command line as well.  It shows it's set as the default option, but it's not the browser that loads when I click on a link.  It's always FF23:46
toddnineAny help would be greatly appreciated.  Since chrome is my primary development browser, it's a pain to always have to manually copy/paste URLs that are IM'ed to me23:49

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