[12:12] <dumb1224> Hi, how can I suspend when using a WM like openbox? without root passwd? uPower?
[22:54] <airurando> evening
[22:56] <moylan> you're in late
[23:00] <airurando> hey moylan
[23:00] <airurando> worked mon tue
[23:00] <airurando> off wed thurs :)
[23:00] <airurando> how are you moylan?
[23:00] <moylan> time to put on the combat boots and crimbo shop? :-D
[23:01] <moylan> getting by.  did you see xtravisions android for €100?
[23:01]  * airurando shudders at the thought :(
[23:01] <airurando> not the android
[23:01] <airurando> more the crimbo shopping
[23:02] <airurando> and no i didn't
[23:03] <moylan> http://www.xtravision.ie/electronic/Archos-A7-eReader
[23:03] <moylan> only negative i can see is no mention of market place.  might be locked down as archos has a history of that
[23:05] <airurando> very interesting
[23:05] <moylan> just that a few months ago a lot of stories around the hp tablet were focused on android tablets would only suceed when £200 tablets were common and here we are with 100 versions around
[23:06] <airurando> aye
[23:06] <moylan> apple will keep the high end but their dominance in this market is over.
[23:07] <airurando> indeed
[23:08] <moylan> for the price of their cheapest you can carry 5 7" tablets.  that's 50 hours of battery life if toy wanted...
[23:08] <moylan> though you'd look a bit silly with 5 tablets
[23:08] <airurando> but android will always suffer/benefit from maannnnyyyyy hardware variants.
[23:08] <airurando> 7" min
[23:09] <moylan> i'd rather schools bought android than ipads for students
[23:09] <airurando> yeah
[23:10] <moylan> one is a open and encourages creative minds and the other is an ipad
[23:10] <airurando> yes
[23:11] <airurando> my daughter is involved with a north/south project called dissolving boundries
[23:11] <moylan> neat!
[23:11] <moylan> now if we can only get past the dublin accents! :-D
[23:11] <airurando> a wiki is involved
[23:12] <airurando> my daughter Orla doesn't have a dub accent!
[23:12] <airurando> ding pics to the wiki was interesting
[23:12] <airurando> *uploading
[23:12] <airurando> loads of licensing options
[23:13] <airurando> including all the cc
[23:13]  * airurando haad a very interesting discussion with orla about the licensing options
[23:15] <moylan> well she can learn a valuable lesson today.  even zuckerburgs private images were leaked.  what goes on the internet stays on the internet.  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3318652
[23:19] <airurando> I chatted with her about http://creativecommons.org/licenses/
[23:19] <airurando> made some heradway
[23:20] <airurando> brought it to the attention of her teacher
[23:20] <airurando> was met by a blank face....
[23:20] <moylan> now THAT is useful.  if the teacher listens that is...
[23:20] <airurando> sent a hardcopy of the page to the teacher
[23:21] <airurando> but fear it was ignored
[23:21] <airurando> the project is run through NUI maynooth
[23:21] <moylan> there was great article recently about an american school that saved a few thousand dollars by creating its own school books.
[23:22] <airurando> yeah?
[23:23] <moylan> well the price of school books is silly.  and they are changed minutely every 2-3 years so that used ones lose their resale value
[23:23] <airurando> 2-3 years? 2-3 mins in my opinion
[23:23] <airurando> I hear ya
[23:24] <moylan> and stick an electronic version on a €100 ebook reader with e-ink and save the kids a hernia
[23:26] <airurando> you speak logic
[23:26] <airurando> but logic currently does not prevail
[23:28] <moylan> the problem is they are using logic to fix a human problem.  they need to use bribery.  ie. any budget saved on books goes to teachers resources in class.
[23:28] <moylan> make a teachers job easier and they are motivated to try
[23:29] <airurando> if only it were that simple
[23:29] <airurando> it is
[23:30] <airurando> but if only (riddled with sarcasm)
[23:36] <moylan> http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/06/anoka-hennepin-teachers-write-online-textbook/
[23:41] <airurando> moylan: you are preaching to the converted
[23:41] <airurando> how can this achyieve critical mass?
[23:42] <airurando> *achieve
[23:43] <airurando> that appears to be the perenial problem.
[23:44] <moylan> well with the recession more and more parents will struggle to pay for school materials.  this is the opportunity to reach them if it saves them money with little effot
[23:44] <moylan> *effort
[23:45] <airurando> lol. I know the effects of the recession.
[23:45] <airurando> for the first time in 6 years I've talked to my wife about returning to work
[23:46] <airurando> moylan; how do you fignt against the norm?
[23:47] <airurando> eventhough the norm is wrong.
[23:47] <moylan> humour is the best weapon, for me.  example: http://twitter.com/#!/angryearthling/status/144201042077302785/photo/1
[23:47] <airurando> without even looking at it i agree.
[23:48] <airurando> humour is a great weapon!
[23:49] <airurando> dahm we are at level 4???????
[23:49] <moylan> i would have put us above italy myself
[23:50] <airurando> we have " the referendum"
[23:50] <airurando> I'd place us at the top tier!
[23:50] <moylan> oh yes, lets get rid of the seanad.  that will help.  then the politicians will have no one looking over their shoulders
[23:51] <airurando> not a chance any REFERENDUM will pass
[23:51] <airurando> SEANAD WILL NOT GO
[23:52] <moylan> they can always manourvre a few crises or scandals before it to help.  also a release of how much it costs won't help the seanad
[23:52] <airurando> checks and balances
[23:52] <moylan> that's the whole point of the seanad
[23:52] <airurando> s3eanad will not go IMO
[23:53] <airurando> *seanad
[23:55]  * airurando must go to bed as there are kids to be dealt with in the morning
[23:56] <airurando> great kids btw.....
[23:56] <airurando> nn
[23:56] <moylan> cya