| dholbach | good morning | 08:10 |
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| paultag | morning, dholbach | 13:14 |
| * paultag kicks back | 13:14 | |
| trinikrono | mornings! | 13:16 |
| paultag | morning! :) | 13:16 |
| trinikrono | what are you kicking | 13:16 |
| paultag | trinikrono: back, of course | 13:16 |
| trinikrono | ok | 13:16 |
| nigelb | Morning paultag | 13:16 |
| trinikrono | maybe its a english thing | 13:16 |
| nigelb | Its a paultag thing :P | 13:16 |
| paultag | trinikrono: to relax :) | 13:16 |
| paultag | nigelb: ohai | 13:16 |
| paultag | trinikrono: to kick one's feet back (usually up onto something and lean back) | 13:17 |
| trinikrono | haha how can you type like that | 13:17 |
| paultag | trinikrono: well, I'm at work, so it's a very mild movement :) | 13:17 |
| trinikrono | paultag: do you guys still working on the loco directory | 13:18 |
| trinikrono | well are you | 13:18 |
| paultag | trinikrono: am I? I'm not, and I was never very involved (except for a few CSS overhauls), it's mostly cjohnston / nigelb / mhall119 | 13:18 |
| paultag | in almost-alphabetical order | 13:19 |
| nigelb | I've mostly switched to handling summit, its exclusively cjohnston for LTP :D | 13:19 |
| nigelb | I just review code. | 13:19 |
| paultag | LTP sounds like an STD, I'm calling it the LD :) | 13:19 |
| trinikrono | hahaa | 13:19 |
| paultag | plus, I spend my days at work with "the portal" so I don't want that in my free time | 13:19 |
| trinikrono | paultag: you are familar with the map they have in the LD right | 13:20 |
| paultag | (she's the one who gave me a case of the LTP) | 13:20 |
| paultag | trinikrono: yeah sure | 13:20 |
| trinikrono | i am trinidad and tobago in the carribbean | 13:20 |
| paultag | totally, sure | 13:20 |
| trinikrono | which is seperate from north and south america | 13:20 |
| paultag | I think that was an AlanBell invention, if I recall | 13:21 |
| paultag | trinikrono: full-ack | 13:21 |
| trinikrono | so they put some of the countries in the caribbean in north | 13:21 |
| cjohnston | almost alphabetical order getting 1/3rd right.. hehe ;-) | 13:21 |
| trinikrono | and some in south | 13:21 |
| paultag | trinikrono: I seem to recall that being a quick hack | 13:21 |
| paultag | trinikrono: file a bug, let's get that sorted | 13:21 |
| trinikrono | well its going to become a issue | 13:21 |
| trinikrono | i am just thinking at this stage | 13:21 |
| trinikrono | i am helping dominica and martinique to come with teams also | 13:21 |
| paultag | trinikrono: if it's not done correctly, or it's not sensitive to the local culture, we must fix this | 13:21 |
| trinikrono | ok great | 13:22 |
| trinikrono | so the best thing would be file a bug | 13:22 |
| paultag | trinikrono: yeah, totally | 13:22 |
| trinikrono | i need to talk to the guy from haiti first | 13:22 |
| trinikrono | magicfab i believe | 13:22 |
| paultag | trinikrono: I'm sure someone like cjohnston would be happy to triage that guy | 13:22 |
| paultag | trinikrono: magicfab is not haiti, I don't think | 13:22 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: what teams are wrong? | 13:22 |
| trinikrono | haha | 13:22 |
| trinikrono | well trinidad is not south america to start with | 13:22 |
| paultag | trinikrono: yeah, magicfab is in canada | 13:23 |
| trinikrono | i think we need a carribean team or region | 13:23 |
| nigelb | paultag: He's originally from haiti or something. | 13:23 |
| paultag | nigelb: south america, I thought | 13:23 |
| nigelb | I remember some talk / discussion of two teams from magicfab. | 13:23 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: its not done by regions.. they are continents | 13:23 |
| trinikrono | we are a bunch of small islands | 13:23 |
| trinikrono | but some are english french etc | 13:23 |
| trinikrono | like haiti is french | 13:24 |
| trinikrono | trinidad and tobago is english | 13:24 |
| trinikrono | dominica is english | 13:24 |
| trinikrono | martinique is french | 13:24 |
| trinikrono | but we are not closeby | 13:24 |
| paultag | trinikrono: locos have nothing to do with language :) | 13:24 |
| trinikrono | so i belive we should have different teams for the islands | 13:24 |
| trinikrono | but a user was asking that we have all of the people in one place | 13:25 |
| trinikrono | like a caribbean team | 13:25 |
| trinikrono | to centralise the carribbean islands | 13:25 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: if people want to create different teams they can | 13:25 |
| trinikrono | well thats the thing | 13:25 |
| paultag | I'm on the page now, cjohnston | 13:25 |
| paultag | it's confusing me | 13:25 |
| paultag | I can't tell which is which | 13:25 |
| paultag | let's block all the islands together | 13:25 |
| trinikrono | :D | 13:25 |
| trinikrono | well right | 13:25 |
| trinikrono | we do things differently | 13:26 |
| cjohnston | paultag: im trying to figure out.. i believe it may have been czajkowski who did the continents, but im not sure. | 13:26 |
| paultag | cjohnston: that's not the issue here, dude | 13:26 |
| paultag | cjohnston: http://loco.ubuntu.com/ <- image | 13:26 |
| paultag | cjohnston: find haiti | 13:26 |
| cjohnston | paultag: your talking the big one irght? | 13:26 |
| paultag | see how it's hard to select? it's not exactly clear which bit it's a part of | 13:26 |
| paultag | cjohnston: yeah | 13:26 |
| trinikrono | hahahaa | 13:26 |
| trinikrono | yes or trinidad | 13:26 |
| paultag | or trinidad | 13:27 |
| paultag | or any of the islands, really | 13:27 |
| trinikrono | we are in south america | 13:27 |
| trinikrono | and haiti is in north america | 13:27 |
| paultag | cjohnston: can you reproduce> | 13:27 |
| trinikrono | i nearly fell of my chair when i first saw it | 13:27 |
| cjohnston | paultag: according to wikipedia, T&T is south america... | 13:27 |
| paultag | cjohnston: then you must block out all those islands to their block by hand | 13:27 |
| paultag | cjohnston: it looks like an arbatrary split now | 13:28 |
| paultag | unless it's correct | 13:28 |
| trinikrono | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean | 13:28 |
| trinikrono | have a look see | 13:28 |
| cjohnston | on the actual map it may be... i dont know.. but afaik the teams are where the teams belong.. so if you know that the team is in south america, then click south america | 13:28 |
| trinikrono | also known as west indies | 13:28 |
| paultag | trinikrono: theres a block there that says it's considerd part of north america | 13:29 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: its by continent... | 13:29 |
| paultag | Geopolitically, the West Indies are usually regarded as a subregion of North America | 13:29 |
| paultag | actually, from my eye it looks mostly ok | 13:30 |
| paultag | looking at where it is split | 13:30 |
| trinikrono | so are we considered a part of north america then | 13:31 |
| paultag | trinikrono: just like canada and mexico | 13:31 |
| paultag | according to this page | 13:32 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: according to wikipedia T&T is south america | 13:32 |
| czajkowski | eh what have i done now... | 13:32 |
| cjohnston | im not saying wikipedia is always correct, but we dont have hundreds of hours to do research | 13:32 |
| trinikrono | haha | 13:32 |
| latinachica_ | Well that info is in correct | 13:32 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: nothing wrong.. | 13:32 |
| czajkowski | ah ok | 13:32 |
| paultag | czajkowski: everything wrong | 13:32 |
| latinachica_ | We are In the Caribbean | 13:32 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: did you assign the continents to teams? | 13:33 |
| paultag | no no no, that's not the point, man | 13:33 |
| czajkowski | some not all | 13:33 |
| trinikrono | latinachica_: we are considered a subregion of north america | 13:33 |
| cjohnston | ok | 13:33 |
| paultag | trinikrono: to be totally fair, we don't have central mexico on there | 13:33 |
| latinachica_ | Which is the West Indies When we have mail internationally it is sent to the West Indies in the Caribbean and NOT the americas | 13:33 |
| paultag | erm, america | 13:33 |
| czajkowski | mails were sent tellin teams to di it | 13:33 |
| paultag | not mexico | 13:33 |
| paultag | that'd be silly | 13:33 |
| * paultag shuffles off | 13:34 | |
| trinikrono | haha | 13:34 |
| trinikrono | czajkowski: is it something i can change in the LD? | 13:34 |
| czajkowski | yes | 13:34 |
| mhall119 | ok, so is the problem that the team is listed on the wrong continent, or that the big map hilights it with south america? | 13:34 |
| paultag | mhall119: purely display | 13:34 |
| paultag | so far as I can tell | 13:35 |
| mhall119 | paultag: in that case, we've been wanting to get rid of the giant map anyway, as part of the front-page refresh for jono | 13:35 |
| trinikrono | paultag: that wasnt what i was talking about | 13:35 |
| paultag | whoh, ok, ok ok | 13:35 |
| paultag | I'm hella wrong | 13:35 |
| * mhall119 copy/pastes that for later ;) | 13:35 | |
| trinikrono | i guess it isnt a issue as they are only 2 teams from the caribbean | 13:35 |
| trinikrono | but other islands have been talking to me | 13:36 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: i guess i dont understand the issue | 13:36 |
| paultag | apparently, nor do I | 13:36 |
| paultag | let's start over | 13:36 |
| trinikrono | cjohnston: can we have the caribbean seperate from north and south america | 13:36 |
| paultag | Hi, trinikrono! | 13:36 |
| trinikrono | lol | 13:36 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: no. | 13:37 |
| trinikrono | morning! | 13:37 |
| trinikrono | well ok | 13:37 |
| trinikrono | then the only thing to do is | 13:37 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: its by continent | 13:37 |
| mhall119 | trinikrono: caribbean isn't a continent | 13:37 |
| czajkowski | trinikrono care to start again | 13:37 |
| trinikrono | sure sure | 13:37 |
| trinikrono | i am kurt belgrave from the caribbean island of trinidad and tobago | 13:37 |
| mhall119 | trinikrono: if you want to make an umbrella team for the caribbean teams in Launchpad,you can do that | 13:37 |
| paultag | Hi, Kurt! | 13:37 |
| trinikrono | mhall119: great! | 13:37 |
| paultag | oh sick | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | trinikrono: but that won't be displayed in loco.ubuntu.com | 13:38 |
| trinikrono | the teams where asking me to have a unified team | 13:38 |
| trinikrono | thats ok | 13:38 |
| trinikrono | at least we would have a headquarters | 13:38 |
| trinikrono | we are seperate from both north and south america | 13:38 |
| paultag | that's fine :) | 13:38 |
| paultag | it's your team | 13:38 |
| latinachica_ | Great | 13:38 |
| paultag | you can control the membership | 13:38 |
| trinikrono | as you would see we are a bunch of little islands | 13:38 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: they still have to be associated with a continent | 13:39 |
| trinikrono | ok well thanks | 13:39 |
| trinikrono | yes | 13:39 |
| trinikrono | the teams in the LD | 13:39 |
| trinikrono | need to north america? | 13:39 |
| cjohnston | trinikrono: it depends on the team. Trinidad and Tobago seems to be in south america, so it is associated with south america | 13:40 |
| mhall119 | trinikrono: we've been sticking to geological, not geopolitical, associations | 13:40 |
| trinikrono | well are nex to venzeula | 13:40 |
| trinikrono | but we are english and most of the south american are spanish | 13:41 |
| mhall119 | except Brazil | 13:41 |
| trinikrono | so its no good for communication | 13:41 |
| mhall119 | no, but it is good for locating | 13:41 |
| czajkowski | indeeed | 13:41 |
| mhall119 | which is the only reason we have it grouped by continent | 13:41 |
| latinachica_ | They rest of the world need to find us properly | 13:42 |
| latinachica_ | They need to learn from now | 13:42 |
| latinachica_ | We are the CAribbean | 13:42 |
| czajkowski | trinikrono same saud for eu. its just about grouping to make things easier | 13:42 |
| trinikrono | okies | 13:42 |
| trinikrono | so in the LD | 13:42 |
| trinikrono | i put the caribbean as the region | 13:43 |
| trinikrono | in the details page | 13:43 |
| trinikrono | ? | 13:43 |
| mhall119 | that would be fine | 13:43 |
| latinachica_ | :) | 13:43 |
| trinikrono | ill make a launchpad team and try to get the other islands to join it | 13:44 |
| trinikrono | and then we will see from there | 13:45 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: there are now three croatian teams.. all different | 13:45 |
| czajkowski | ive mailed them | 13:46 |
| cjohnston | ty | 13:46 |
| trinikrono | ive also come to report of the sucess of our facebook group | 14:08 |
| trinikrono | http://www.facebook.com/groups/285982144750674/ | 14:08 |
| trinikrono | in trinidad and tobago everyone uses facebook and i found the forums and mailing list to be slow | 14:09 |
| trinikrono | and now we have 105 members :D | 14:09 |
| mhall119 | nice | 14:12 |
| trinikrono | mhall119: yes its good for sending people who we give cds too | 14:12 |
| trinikrono | i am trying to get members to add new members too | 14:13 |
| trinikrono | hopefully 300 members by next year sometime | 14:13 |
| trinikrono | then i keep moving them across to launchpad | 14:13 |
| mhall119 | trinikrono: social media is a great resource for that, I'm glad it's working out for you | 14:19 |
| paultag | /nick crabbytag | 14:19 |
| paultag | sometimes I hate the rif-raff that shows up in #fluxbox | 14:19 |
| trinikrono | well its just nice to have a meeting where people show up | 14:20 |
| mhall119 | heh, rif-raff | 14:23 |
| paultag | >:| | 14:23 |
| * mhall119 is sorely tempted to /join now | 14:23 | |
| paultag | i've had a quick /ignore trigger finger lately | 14:23 |
| paultag | ;) | 14:23 |
| dholbach | hey paultag | 14:46 |
| paultag | o/ | 14:47 |
| AlanBell | paultag: no, the live map is not my invention | 15:46 |
| paultag | AlanBell: you did the mockup, then? I can't recall what you did | 15:46 |
| AlanBell | I wanted to do a second level of maps, and I did some prototypes for that | 15:46 |
| paultag | but you're guilty of something | 15:46 |
| AlanBell | yeah, guilty of something :) | 15:47 |
| paultag | :) | 15:47 |
| AlanBell | I want to get rid of /teams and replace it with /europe /asia /americas etc, each with maps on | 15:47 |
| AlanBell | the /teams page is really really full of sub-optimalness | 15:48 |
| paultag | ahh | 15:49 |
| paultag | yeah, I remember that now | 15:49 |
| paultag | Why don't we get a canonical UI'er to help | 15:49 |
| paultag | Oh wait, none of them help the community ;) | 15:49 |
| paultag | (zing!) | 15:49 |
| paultag | but really, we do need a UI'er on that | 15:50 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: oh no.... why | 15:50 |
| AlanBell | why what? | 15:50 |
| paultag | czajkowski: I seem to recall the argument that it was confusing and disorderly | 15:50 |
| AlanBell | and slow | 15:51 |
| czajkowski | why are you moving team off /team page | 15:51 |
| czajkowski | I understand the not a map | 15:51 |
| AlanBell | splitting it | 15:51 |
| paultag | oh jeez | 15:52 |
| paultag | let's not do this again | 15:52 |
| czajkowski | :( | 15:52 |
| paultag | we had this flame war a few months back | 15:52 |
| AlanBell | so on the home page I click on Africa for example, it doesn't need to show me anything but africa | 15:52 |
| czajkowski | clearly it wasn't hot enough :p | 15:52 |
| paultag | :P | 15:52 |
| * AlanBell would just like to say czajkowski is awesome | 15:52 | |
| AlanBell | so instead of linking to an anchor link http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/#Africa it would go to http://loco.ubuntu.com/Africa and not load all the other continents I just indicated I didn't want to see :0 | 15:53 |
| AlanBell | I can do that pretty easily in fact, without needing the maps | 15:54 |
| czajkowski | ok I seem to be confused | 15:54 |
| czajkowski | granted this is easy to happen | 15:54 |
| * paultag walks away . o O (what have I done!) | 15:54 | |
| czajkowski | I assumed we were just getting rid of the massive map | 15:54 |
| AlanBell | what massive map? | 15:55 |
| AlanBell | http://loco.ubuntu.com/media/images/map.png this one? | 15:55 |
| czajkowski | yes | 15:56 |
| * trinikrono waits for paultag to kickback | 15:56 | |
| * paultag kicks back, and watches the fight over a pina colada | 15:56 | |
| AlanBell | there is no fighting! | 15:57 |
| paultag | and my name's jo-anne | 15:57 |
| czajkowski | no myself and AlanBell are having a normal conversation | 15:57 |
| czajkowski | o flaming here | 15:57 |
| czajkowski | no | 15:58 |
| AlanBell | indeed not, especially as I am seeing czajkowski in a pub on friday | 15:58 |
| paultag | :( | 15:59 |
| czajkowski | :) | 15:59 |
| AlanBell | I kind of like the world map, just when I click on a continent I find it odd that it shows me stuff I didn't click on in a scary big list, it just scrolls me to the anchor point I asked for in the list | 16:00 |
| AlanBell | plus of course if I click on south america it can't scroll that far so shows me North America | 16:01 |
| AlanBell | aaaanyhow, what I can do, is add new pages for the continents, leaving /teams right where it is for people who are not scared of it, and link the map to the continent pages | 16:01 |
| AlanBell | then we can add friendly maps to the continent pages when we feel like it | 16:02 |
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| mhall119 | AlanBell: +1 | 16:03 |
| mhall119 | paultag: we have a Canonical UI'er helping us on summit currently | 16:04 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: would I be right in thinking that /teams is a bit unfriendly to the database? does it have to instantiate every team object to get the name and appoved status? | 16:04 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: it does that, yes, but that's not terribly unfriendly thanks to Django's ORM | 16:05 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: the way the page is built is unfriendly to the CPU though | 16:05 |
| paultag | mhall119: because of the whole linaro thing, right? | 16:05 |
| mhall119 | it used to be worse on the db, but I did some optimizing of that a while back | 16:05 |
| paultag | mhall119: that's not really community, they've been driving summit hard | 16:05 |
| mhall119 | paultag: no, because we asked him to help and he said 'yes' | 16:05 |
| paultag | I'm sure someone @canonical asked them to | 16:05 |
| mhall119 | yeah, me | 16:06 |
| nigelb | I thought they came to us telling "it sucks, let us help you" :) | 16:06 |
| paultag | I wish people said that to me | 16:06 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: I like my history better ;) | 16:06 |
| paultag | it seems like it's not feasable to get people to help with things I care about :) | 16:08 |
| paultag | perhaps because what I care about is not what others care about | 16:08 |
| mhall119 | if you had more capital... | 16:09 |
| paultag | mhall119: you and your clout-fueled approach to f/oss :) | 16:10 |
| paultag | mhall119: so I was thinking about it, and what it strikes me as is mooshing a construct we have on something that's not totally applicable. It works in a lot of ways, and it may be a useful way to look at some things, but I can't imagine that's a great way to do f/oss-ology | 16:11 |
| mhall119 | paultag: you're right in that it's not a perfect analogy, I'm just trying to find the closes approximation to a real-world system we understand, in the hopes that it will give us (and me especially) a better understanding of how to make the f/oss ecosystem run better | 16:13 |
| paultag | mhall119: sure, but one critical bit that you can't express with that model is something like forking | 16:13 |
| mhall119 | I'm working on that | 16:13 |
| paultag | forking should never happen with your model, and if it does, it requires lots of high clout people | 16:13 |
| mhall119 | well forking rarely happens, so I think my model isn't too far off already | 16:14 |
| paultag | whereas there are forks by a few pissed off folks who see an opening | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | let me clarify, forks rarely succeed | 16:14 |
| paultag | sure | 16:14 |
| paultag | and when they do, there's often a merge | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | for exactly the reasons my model says they shouldn't happen | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | so again, not 100% accurate, but possibly close enough to be useful | 16:15 |
| paultag | mm. | 16:15 |
| mhall119 | which, really, is as good as any economic model gets | 16:15 |
| paultag | well, I'm not super convinced economics are the right way to model foss | 16:16 |
| paultag | I don't think it's *wrong* | 16:16 |
| paultag | I just don't think it's right | 16:16 |
| mhall119 | that's because you still see it as art | 16:16 |
| paultag | to some degree, yes, but I don't think that's how I'd classify programs | 16:17 |
| paultag | I think that code is like poetry, but that's a different issue :) | 16:17 |
| mhall119 | art has totally different motivating factors than labor, which is why you don't see the economic influences | 16:18 |
| paultag | I see them, but I think they're emergent from the social constructs that we've put up | 16:19 |
| mhall119 | but not everybody feels the same way as you, and even artists have to eat ;) | 16:19 |
| paultag | mhall119: no one's above dumpster diving ;) | 16:19 |
| Ddpbf | Hi all, i am memmber of serbian loco. I have one question regarding loco irc channels | 16:19 |
| paultag | Hi, Ddpbf! | 16:19 |
| Ddpbf | could we have more than 2 irc channels | 16:19 |
| paultag | sure! :) just try and keep them in your namespace :) | 16:20 |
| Ddpbf | thanks paul | 16:20 |
| paultag | so if I'm in #ubuntu-foo, try to put it in #ubuntu-foo-bar | 16:20 |
| Ddpbf | :) | 16:20 |
| paultag | sure thing! | 16:20 |
| Ddpbf | we need offtopic channel :D | 16:20 |
| paultag | sounds perfect :) | 16:20 |
| Ddpbf | cya all | 16:20 |
| paultag | o/ | 16:20 |
| Ddpbf | \o | 16:20 |
| mhall119 | heh | 16:21 |
| paultag | mhall119: I think we see f/oss (all too often) as exchanging goods & services (which I've been happy to use as an analogy, when I try to make it look like Communism, and it does), but I'm not sure that's right | 16:21 |
| paultag | which is why I am reluctant to make that case strongly in any sort of public way | 16:22 |
| paultag | it's more like evolution | 16:22 |
| paultag | someone who's totally effective in one thing may harm another, basically, people are bacteria | 16:23 |
| paultag | forks behave like evolving life-forms | 16:23 |
| paultag | the users are like the enviroment | 16:24 |
| paultag | and coders are tweeking dna ;) | 16:24 |
| mhall119 | paultag: you can boil down capitalism, communism and gift-economies to the same basic forces of human nature | 16:24 |
| paultag | sure | 16:24 |
| paultag | which is why I think they emerge in a lot of ways | 16:24 |
| paultag | but I think in a lot of ways, an economic analyis focuses too much on the exchange of goods & services | 16:24 |
| mhall119 | so, I've already determined that we don't work much like a capital market | 16:24 |
| mhall119 | and we have some key differences from a gift-economy | 16:25 |
| paultag | granted | 16:25 |
| mhall119 | your suggested readings on Marx are next on my list to investigate | 16:25 |
| paultag | I think theories of his apply very nicely to f/oss, yeah | 16:25 |
| mhall119 | but I suspect that there will be some big differences from communism as well | 16:25 |
| paultag | there will be | 16:25 |
| paultag | in a lot of pretty glaring ways | 16:25 |
| paultag | namely, there's no scarcity | 16:25 |
| mhall119 | but I'm slowing putting together a broader idea of how the f/loss economy operates | 16:25 |
| mhall119 | as a hybrid of multiple kinds of systems | 16:26 |
| mhall119 | there's always scarcity in something | 16:26 |
| paultag | I still think there's a way to look at this biologically | 16:26 |
| mhall119 | write it up then | 16:26 |
| paultag | I need to think it out first ;) | 16:26 |
| mhall119 | I'm not biologist, but you know where to find me if you want to bounce ideas around | 16:27 |
| paultag | totally, I'm not either, so I'm not sure how well this all applies either | 16:27 |
| paultag | I think the main reason people react to f/oss == communism is that people see darwinism in f/oss | 16:28 |
| paultag | (e.g. you loose all your money) | 16:28 |
| paultag | and what better place to model that then in a virtual landscape with all sorts of deformed monsters being made by 12-year-olds worldwide | 16:29 |
| paultag | and the big, bad well-designed t-rex eating everyone | 16:29 |
| * mhall119 doesn't follow | 16:29 | |
| paultag | yeah, me neither | 16:29 |
| mhall119 | heh | 16:29 |
| paultag | this is why I need to think it out | 16:29 |
| paultag | but I'm sure there's something there | 16:30 |
| daker | https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1677527908/gnumad.png <- LoL | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | daker: lol | 18:58 |
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