[01:15] <mhall119> software upgradable hardware?  What kind of hardware do you have?
[02:37] <MrChrisDruif> Haha
[02:37] <MrChrisDruif> Is not what I meant =')
[02:38] <MrChrisDruif> I meant that hardware already can get firmware upgrades
[03:01] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; ^
[03:23] <mhall119> oh, and here I was trying to apt-get install more-ram
[16:48] <willcooke> http://smart-home-blog.com/2011/12/02/new-lenovo-ideacentre-q180-htpc/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+smart-home-blog+%28Smart+Home+Blog%29
[16:49] <willcooke> interesting, Lenovo getting in on the HTPC thing
[16:53] <mhall119> holy hell, who came up with that remote control design?
[16:56] <mhall119> I can't imagine anybody would feel comfortable using that
[16:57] <tgm4883> mhall119, I've seen one, they aren't that bad
[16:57] <tgm4883> that image makes it look uncomfortable though
[16:58] <willcooke> :)
[16:59] <willcooke> BTW guys, I realise I've been conspicuous by my absence over the last couple of weeks.  I'm putting plans in place to address that asap....
[17:00] <willcooke> just need to get a few other things put away first.
[17:01] <mhall119> willcooke: when you and repete have time, perhaps we can hold a scheduled discussion time to try and get everybody here at the same time?
[17:02] <willcooke> mhall119, certainly - that sounds like a great idea.
[17:03] <willcooke> I'll push to get that set up early next week, and I'll make an announcement or something on the mailing list
[17:03] <MrChrisDruif> Also add it to the Fridge
[17:03] <willcooke> I'd guess that around this sort of time would be best for most people
[17:04] <MrChrisDruif> I posted something earlier about weekly meetings, but no-one gave any response whatsoever
[17:04] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif, good idea.  Who's got access to the fridge door?
[17:04] <MrChrisDruif> willcooke; I know how to add stuff on that
[17:05]  * MrChrisDruif should be warming-up dinner, so he goes on doing that
[17:05] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif, I didn't see your message I'm afriad, I think it might have got lost in the heated debate that was going on :)
[17:06] <MrChrisDruif> willcooke; https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/msg00016.html
[17:07] <willcooke> Thx MrChrisDruif - well, I'll aim for that slot next week.
[17:07] <willcooke> I'll come back with a confirmation one way or the other asap
[17:10] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, just let me know
[17:10] <MrChrisDruif> Tonight I'll be of for orchestra rehearsal
[17:15] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif, cool - have fun!
[17:15] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks willcooke =)
[17:19] <AlanBell> o/ willcooke
[17:20] <willcooke> howdy AlanBell
[18:41] <tgm4883> comedic, but IMO relevant to the 3D discussion   http://theoatmeal.com/blog/3d_movies
[18:57] <mhall119> ah theoatmeal, so crude and yet so right
[19:01] <willcooke> ha!
[19:03] <dmj726> Well, I think 3D has its place, but I'm not sure it should be an immediate priority for us
[19:04] <willcooke> agreed - I don't think 3D is out of the gimmick phase quite yet
[19:06] <dmj726> I've seen a couple films enhanced by 3D, and one to which 3D was essential
[19:10] <dmj726> That said, we're still somewhat in the gimmick phase, though most films are less gimmicky about it than 3D films of prior decades
[19:21] <willcooke> It's interesting, things like "Jaws 3D" were piss poor certainly, but I get the impression some modern day 3D films were made in 3D only because they could charge a few extra bucks to see them, rather than being designed to benefit from 3d directly.
[19:21] <willcooke> That said, I've never actually seen a modern 3D movie
[19:21] <willcooke> :)
[19:21] <willcooke> I refuse to be taken in by the shameless money grabbing
[19:21] <willcooke> I'm sticking it to the man!
[19:22] <dmj726> hehe
[19:23] <dmj726> willcooke: the shameless postconversion is rather questionable
[19:23] <willcooke> definitely
[19:24] <dmj726> A few directors actually do a good job using it as an enhancement to already quality work, like Martin Scorsesee's Hugo.
[19:24] <AlanBell> I have no idea how they do that
[19:25] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2D_to_3D_Conversion
[19:25] <AlanBell> now I do :)
[19:25] <willcooke> and so do I
[19:25] <dmj726> Cave of Forgotten Dreams isn't the same film in 2D as in 3D, but that's because it's documenting these ancient cave paintings and in 3D it feels like you're actually in the cave with the paintings.
[19:26] <dmj726> of course the last one won't be breaking box office records
[19:32] <willcooke> :D
[20:14] <tgm4883> dmj726, I'll have to take a look at that. I don't think I understand why if you are looking at cave paintings (paintings on a wall) that it would look different in 3d rather than 2d
[20:15] <dmj726> tgm4883: The cave walls are highly curved
[20:15] <tgm4883> also, I'm not 100% sure how that would extend to other genres in a meaningful way
[20:15] <dmj726> and the curves are important to the way the people painted on them
[20:15] <tgm4883> I'll have to see it
[20:16] <dmj726> tgm4883: I'm not saying it would apply to other genres
[20:16] <tgm4883> It's like IMAX, it only applies to some very specific films
[20:16] <dmj726> just that it is possible to have 3D be an important artistic tool for a film
[20:17] <dmj726> Personally, I think most 3D films are just doing it for the money, but I don't doubt that there will be some films for which it is clearly better
[20:17] <dmj726> it also could be useful for certain kinds of software
[20:18] <dmj726> I'm not suggesting we devote much effort to 3D support right now though
[20:18] <dmj726> just not writing it off
[20:18] <dmj726> especially given that it has been used much more artistically recently than in the past
[20:19] <dmj726> (Alfred Hitchcock excepted of course)