[00:20] Azelphur: ok i just tried it [00:20] fun [00:20] there's a new menu item "previous linux versions" [00:20] select it [00:20] they are in there [00:21] ali1234: oops, guess they changed it, should have paid more attention to that one [00:29] ali1234: happens in both kernels [00:30] try an older one then [00:31] righto :p [01:22] Gday all, I've adapted a poster from spreadubuntu - http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/ubuntu-uk-installfests - and was hoping to credit the author when I upload it back with the changes I've made. Anyone know who created that one? [01:28] head_victim, I believe that was AlanBell [01:28] shauno: ahh thanks for that, I'm sure he'll see the ping [01:29] if you'll allow me a little spam .. [01:29] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2010-August/025624.html [01:29] http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmleones/4577067906/ [01:29] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uuk/installfest2.pdf [01:29] http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmleones/4577067906/ [01:29] hm, the flickr links don't show in my client, sorry if they came thru twice [01:29] (or not at all?) [01:29] They all came up here [01:29] cool [01:30] I replaced the meerkats though but bascially just kept the rest of the format [01:30] in retrospect, that seems so obvious that I'm not sure why the meerkat picture struck me as useful :) [01:31] Hah it's ok, I found it looking up the details of the poster just before [01:31] but shy of mr bell being awake at this ungodly hour, that's as much use as I can come up with [01:31] Tis ok, he'll ping me either here or one of the other hundred channels we share when he wakes. [01:31] It's only 1130am here so I don't know what you're whinging about though ;) I love timezones. [01:32] not a fan myself. I think everyone should be on london time. but last time that came up, people were trying to move london time :/ [01:32] (and just to ruin the stereotype, I'm not in the UK either) [01:33] * Azelphur is just a night lurker \o/ [01:33] well yeah, you're just odd [01:33] indeed [01:33] * Azelphur puts a paper boat on shauno's head. [01:33] slowly narrowing down on the kernel version that broke my laptop, looks like it happened a loooong time ago [01:33] altho Ireland is on london time too, so that's no excuse for being awake. just makes me sound less like an imperialist for wishing the whole world to march to the same beat [01:35] it doesn't happen in 2.6.30 but does happen in 2.6.32, so looks like it was a regression from 2009 \o/ [01:36] I'm sure with enough git magic, you could figure out what patch it came in on [01:36] put that mini-farm to some use building them :) [01:36] yea, still playing "guess the magic number" with kernel versions \o/ [01:36] haha, don't think you can use GPU's to compile a Linux kernel [01:36] probably a job for my PC ;) [01:37] might actually bother to fix my clock before I do it, it's got a quad radiator on it it should do 4.5ghz no problem [01:38] maybe not the gpus, but distcc could be worth playing with [01:38] I doubt sempron 140's are gonna do much in the way of cpu gruntwork :P [01:52] meh, you ruined a whole slew of beowulf cluster jokes by buying amd :/ [01:53] lol [01:55] Really off-topic, but the bbc's iPad app is neat :) [01:55] It's like home .. On-demand [01:57] They need to add more red dwarf series tho [02:03] shauno: I wish they didn't cancel stargate :( [02:03] I never got into that [02:03] well, I liked the first film. but the tv series .. eh [02:03] I watched the whole thing [02:03] 10 odd years of the stuff [02:03] then gg cliffhanger byebye [02:04] P.S. that movie we promised you? Yea not gonna happen. So we're double cliffhangering you. Enjoy! [02:04] I don't really get hung up on TV that much. I just found the iplayer app comes in handy on weekend shifts [02:05] hehe, I like to sit down while eating and watch some good TV [02:05] unless the corp network has a funny fit and puts me on a UK netblock, which gets icky [02:05] but there's less and less scifi around, it's annoying [02:05] the iplayer app deletes all my saved shows and refuses to connect, if I appear to be within the UK [02:05] that said maybe sometime soon there will be more free/CC stuff in that area [02:05] and I have a 50/50 chance of appearing to be on verizon or BT, depending where the corp throws me that day [02:05] RCVR was really cool :D [02:20] ali1234: everything 2.6.30 doesn't appear to have the power glitch, but my keyboard and mouse don't work either \o/ [02:20] 2.6.31.1 has the issue [02:20] not sure if there's anything between 2.6.31.1 and 2.6.30.10 [02:21] those are further apart then 2.6.31 and 2.6.30 [02:22] 2.6.30 has the whole keyboard not working but no power bug either thing [02:22] trying 2.6.31 now :) [02:23] 13 steps to bisect from .30 to .31 [02:30] ali1234: 2.6.31-02063101 is broken, 2.6.31-020631 works :D [02:33] you need to clone gregkh tree for that [02:33] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.31.y.git [02:33] that one, actually [02:33] add it as a remote [02:34] do I just clone that? [02:34] did you already clone the kernel? [02:34] no [02:34] then yes [02:34] looks like they've moved something [02:35] fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly [02:35] :< [02:35] was I supposed to replace the y? [02:35] no [02:35] then yea, that error :( [02:36] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git [02:39] I imagine that's gonna take a few hours to download [02:40] so that'll be my cue to go to sleep and attack it again tomorrow after the download has completed, ty for all your help so far :D === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest71449 [07:18] [Jono Bacon] Thanks Ubuntu Weekly News Team - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/06/thanks-ubuntu-weekly-news-team/ [07:25] Aloha [07:58] morning all [07:58] hi head_victim o/ [08:07] whohooo the new UWN is finally readable again \o/ [08:09] AlanBell: gday :) So you laying claim to that or do I credit the anonymous that uploaded it? [08:12] Why I'm up this early on my week off I dunno [08:12] Good morning people :) [08:16] head_victim: all mine ;) [08:16] not sure why I didn't log in to upload it [08:16] AlanBell: thanks, I'll link you the piece I created from your work [08:16] great [08:16] good to see it being useful [08:17] I suck at creativity, give me something I can modify to my needs and I'm happy [08:18] [Jono Bacon] Creating Experience Teams - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/06/creating-experience-teams/ [08:20] AlanBell: http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/ubuntu-au-installfest tah dah! [08:21] yay [08:22] Basically everything I've ever "created" for our LoCo has come from spreadubuntu [08:38] bigcalm: you need to find a hobby [08:39] czajkowski: coding in my spare time? [08:41] eh no [08:41] :) [08:41] I feel naughty and want a McD's breakfast [08:42] * bigcalm starts to defrost the car [08:42] Moaning all [08:43] bigcalm: You tried the breakfast wraps? [08:53] smittix: didn't know they did breakfast wraps. I normally just have me a sausage 'n egg muffin [08:54] good morning all [08:57] someone want me? [09:00] not sure whether "yes" or "no" is the worse answer to that question [09:00] lol :) [09:00] AlanBell: i saw that someone has said moodoo but couldn't actually see who, will just trawl the logs [09:01] 22:16 < smittix> moodoo! [09:07] AlanBell: ah smittix me ole china, thanks, i did speak to him later on :) [09:24] some swine has been stealing my milkshake from the fridge again :( [09:40] oimon: Next time add some smallpox to it, you'll soon find the culprit [09:40] daubers: is it fast acting? [09:40] Does ubuntu work with the MTP proctol? Just wondering about this comment about the Xoom 2 "File transfer is handled solely through the MTP protocol so anyone with a Mac or Linux box is up a gumtree" [09:40] i'd rather find the body next to the fridge, carton in hand, rather than not noticing a body in an office [09:44] DJones: I've seen projects for MTP on Linux, but I've no idea on maturity [09:45] Ah well, I'll cross that off my christmas list then [09:47] DJones: Just get an iPod [09:47] it sucks the amount of research you have to do before buying devices [09:47] Oh, wait, that's not just a media player [09:47] or it is, but it's not just music [09:47] BigRedS: xoom 2 is a full tablet [09:48] BigRedS was joking about the ipod (i hope) [09:48] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=981774 has a thread about the xoom 1 on ubuntu with mtpfs [09:48] but i'd wanna see a whole lot more evidence firs [09:48] I've been thinking about an Android tablet, but I'm probably getting a Kobo ereader which I'll probably use a lot more [09:48] oimon: No, it's the most hassle-free music player I've ever tried [09:49] admittedly, I've had mine for ~5 years now and they've probably comne on leaps and bounds in that time [09:49] BigRedS: recent ones don't work on ubuntu [09:49] Oh. And that. [09:49] wait for popey to get the asus transformer then we'll know if it works ok :) [09:51] :( I dislike InnoDB [09:51] andylockran: It's the piss-your-data-up-against-the-wall storage engine. I don't know why anybody uses it [09:52] If a device with a removable SD card, then it will support the USB mass storage. If only memory (Motorola Xoom or Galaxy Nexus), it will process (in general) the MTP and PTP. [09:52] It seems daft to use a transactional storage engine that doesn't recover from a crash [09:55] lovefilms moving to Silverlight? WWWWHHHYYYY [09:55] why? [09:55] i imagine mtp suppotr might get better if more android devices are gonna require it [09:55] Myrtti: Movie studio pressure for drm [09:55] I've opened several bugs with libmtp and banshee [09:56] about xoom and galaxy nexus support [09:56] but I can't find the Banshee MTP maintainer/dev [09:56] Myrtti: http://blog.lovefilm.com/uncategorized/why-were-switching-from-flash-to-silverlight.html [09:56] wonder if rhythmbox uses the same code [09:56] DJones: well, I'm more concerned by the fact that I just read somewhere that Microsoft is dropping Silverlight [09:56] \o/ [09:57] adobe is dropping flash for mobiles. how long before it drops flash for linux? [09:57] so basically any one without windows or a decent new mac won't be able to watch it....sigh [09:58] which is silly cos in the future many tv set top boxes will be android or ubuntu [09:58] MooDoo: "Just to be clear – this change doesn’t affect or apply to any of our streaming devices (PS3, iPad, internet TVs, etc); only PCs, laptops and Macs." [09:59] all is not lost yet [09:59] MartijnVdS: is the BBC program frozen planet showing in the netherlands? [09:59] come on, quick, someone make a get_lovefilm [09:59] oh I hope so, made watching the RWC2011 rather hard as they used silverlight [09:59] the point of the move is for DRM, so no get_lovefilm =\ [09:59] oimon: yes, but with a Dutch voiceover [09:59] lovefilm don't even want to move, their announcement is kinda funny, basically says movie companies made us [10:00] i know NL is not DK but thinking of a christmas pressie for my sister in DK [10:00] oimon: those BBC programs are sold around the world :) [10:00] yeah but thought there might be a wait [10:00] gord: I thought the early versions of get_iplayer emulated iPhones or something to get the good stuff [10:02] hrm, maybe that could work, guess it depends how their other versions work === gmb` is now known as gmb [10:04] i haven't watched a film in yonks. [10:04] they don't make them like they used to :( [10:04] i got piranha 3d yesterday! looking forward to that [10:07] does LoveFilm still send real media in mail too? or have they moved to just streaming? [10:08] bigcalm: Yeah the wraps are awesome. [10:08] Frozen planet is awesome, I loved the "brinicle" sequence [10:08] MooDoo: o/ [10:08] they do send discs... maybe it's not lost cause after all [10:08] yeah, they send a lot of discs too [10:09] i was on the two discs at a time package, useful because i can watch movies whilst the other one is in the post. but they recently upgraded it to 3 discs at a time [10:09] smittix: https://twitter.com/#!/bigcalm/status/143987928002076672 [10:10] Ooh, that wrap looks ok [10:10] Although my heart belongs to the Subway Mega Breakfast [10:10] Or even better, the Pickles and Potter breakfast sandwich [10:10] (fancy sandwich deli in Leeds) [10:13] smittix: hello there [10:14] bigcalm: you disgust me...... [10:14] sausage and egg mcmuffin - there is no better :p [10:14] Hehe [10:14] The wrap contains the same sausage patty, no doubt [10:14] I find McD breakfast repulsive [10:14] THe sausage patty is what makes the muffin so good [10:14] WEll, yes, it's also repulsive [10:15] MooDoo: I thought the same. But a couple of people suggested it and I thought I'd give it a go [10:15] It's like a 1-night nutritional stand [10:15] :D [10:15] You enjoy it, but you hate yourself after [10:15] I hate myself so much that I wanted it to last forever [10:15] I prefer making my own most perfect scramble, lovely sausages and nice toast [10:15] Mmm [10:15] just made scramble right now, actually [10:16] two eggs, a bit of cheese (this time cottage cheese), pepper, salt and then microwave [10:16] omnomnom [10:16] nice, fluffy and moist. [10:18] bigcalm: HEH! [10:19] Told you they were full of awesome. [10:19] I think it's the brown sauce that had me interested [10:19] The egg is different too [10:19] Yeah, that's the secret to enjoying the Subway breakfast sarnie [10:19] Sliced fresh tomatoes and brown sauce [10:20] How can I tell this a uk channel? ;-) [10:20] Im hungry now [10:21] hoover: the brown sauce? [10:21] yeah, me too... [10:21] most likely MartijnVdS [10:21] Bloody vending machine here is a rip off. 70p for a snicker :/ [10:21] for a while now you've been able to get british stuff at the local supermarket here in germany [10:22] no wonder with about 3,000 squaddies including family in town ;-) [10:22] MooDoo: did you find out what was wrong the other day? [10:25] * hoover 's addicted to Walker's Salt & Vinegar [10:29] software repos vs windows "google for an installer file": http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/06/014244/downloadcom-bundling-adware-with-free-software?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter [10:30] Yeah, I'm getting really narked off with that [10:31] It's distasteful when something asks you (default : yes) if you want to install the ask.com toolbar or whatever [10:31] But things that I like and use are now installing nasty things [10:31] like PDFCreator [10:32] Meaning that my exhortations like "Hey, why buy Adobe tools just for the PDF printer when can do it for free!" make me look bad. [10:32] i don't use windows much at all (use a win server once a month, if that), but when i have to use a laptop occasionally, i am shocked by the productivity difference between ubuntu and windows [10:32] Because the answer is now "Because adobe tools don't come with a free virus" [10:32] oimon, That too [10:33] oimon, The main thing Windows is good for is Office, which is a small part of my productivity [10:33] and it's not familiarity, since i used to use windows everyday in my last job [10:33] I still use both - the laptop for Outlook and office documents, and the desktop with Ubuntu on it for actually doing stuff [10:33] i get less stomach aches nowadays as a result (true fact) [10:35] I rather mislike things like SumatraPDF who's download page is scattered with a load of ads that look like "Download" buttons [10:35] And the real link is tiny [10:35] PDFCreator has a virus? [10:35] PDFCreator installs some kind of evilware now [10:35] pah my other just texted me to tell me she's havin an IKEA breakfast.....pah! [10:35] awww [10:35] Meatballs and ligonberry jam for breakfast? [10:35] Wrong. [10:36] lol no not meatballs :) full english i think [10:36] * awilkins thinks ... swedish meatball and ligonberry jam pizza.... [10:36] heh [10:37] I cooked some crayfish and served them with a very spicy lingonberry and chilli jam [10:37] I call it... [10:37] Hardcore Swedish Prawn [10:38] meatballs and lingonberry jam sounds wrong [10:38] even in *my* ears [10:38] of course if the meatballs were venison or elk... === bigcalm is now known as tig === tig is now known as bigcalm [10:47] mmm, venison [10:49] good morning everyone. [11:06] morning. [11:06] VM failing badly this am here :( [11:08] morning danfish [11:10] i hear that a lot danfish [11:10] sigh, amazon have sent out the £5 plug extension lead i ordered at like 9pm last night via signed delivery... always embarrassing to have the truck roll up for something like that [11:12] it's normally very good here - only outage in the past 6 months [11:14] o/ brobostigon [11:14] I had some in the early days but very rarely now [11:14] I'm in the original Nynex Cablecom trial areas... you'd expect the infrastructure to be quite good here [11:15] * danfish looks outside and sees a VM van parked up 100m away - must be doing some work [11:17] i popped out of the house and now have a card through my letter box from royal mail [11:18] They wait for you to leave [11:19] heh - feels true at times [11:21] it *is* true === bigcalm is now known as asgkuherg === asgkuherg is now known as bigcalm [11:29] danfish: o/ [11:34] Anybody here managed to do some sort of threading in PHP? [11:38] off to a raspberry pi networking event \o/ [11:40] Myrtti: have fun :) [11:40] "Known broadband outage in your area - will be fixed at 01.27pm" suspiciously precise :/ [11:42] * bigcalm takes a break with Lego Pirates of the Caribbean [11:42] any good? [11:42] The game? [11:42] I'm a sucker for Tt Lego games [11:43] They are all good [11:43] Though the Indiana Jones Crystal Skull one was a bit pants [11:44] As well as the recent Starwars one. [11:44] New HP is out and on my Amazon wishlist :D [11:51] i played one once, but didn't really get it [11:52] think it was star wars and also indiana jones [11:52] got bored v quickly, so did the kid i was playing it with [11:54] raspberry pi is an important lesson in software freedom [11:55] can't even make a bootable kernel without using a proprietary tool from the GPU vendor [11:56] directhex: where u getting that info from? [11:56] oimon, ARM kernel hackers [11:58] http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard#BootRom [12:01] i guess price was the factor in choosing broadcom? [12:03] i wonder if raspberry pi could get my 14 yr old nephew into linux? [12:03] ICT has killed his thirst for computer skills, and he prefers to play games [12:05] ICT is the worst thing in the world ever [12:05] clearly worse than hitler [12:05] a GCSE for freaking clerical skills? why not knitting while you're at it? [12:06] i did ICT at a-level [12:06] i didn't know it existed at a-lvel [12:07] just got a next day delivery from amazon....I checked and I def did the super saver free one. result [12:07] GNVQ, to be exact. counted when i did it, as two a-levels. [12:07] give the guy a server to run game servers on, good segway and you learn a lot about linux admin stuff [12:07] gord: good point, he likes mincecraft [12:09] My main foray into Linux was building a MythTV box [12:10] At the time, I used Gentoo Linux because it was the only thing that supported the bleeding edge kernel trees with the drivers for my tuner hardware in it [12:10] If there's one plus side to Gentoo, you learn a lot about Linux internals by the time you've installed it [12:11] The downside was of course watching compiler scrollback for days on end [12:11] what sort of spec does minecraft server need? [12:11] i got into linux as an undergrad [12:11] oimon, ALL THE RAMS. it's java [12:12] oof [12:12] at uni, the undergrad labs were half windows, half linux. the linux machines were much better spec, and always available, versus windows boxes being always full. no-brainer. [12:12] Ours were all Windows [12:12] Blee [12:12] ours were sunos and solaris. [12:13] Running Windows 3.11 at the time [12:13] They would bleach-wipe the OS and reinstall it over the network every time they were rebooted [12:13] we had some irix labs around the uni, but the main undergrad labs were all linux & windows [12:13] comsci undergrad labs, that is [12:13] I kept an installer of Netscape Navigator in my network folder at all times [12:13] we also had a student-run server accessible via nfs [12:13] Bloody hell, that was a long time ago [12:14] awilkins, at school i worked out how to hide quake on the servers [12:14] directhex, At school, we used to upload machine code to the other BBC Master stations via Econet and run it remotely [12:14] ah nostalgia [12:14] awilkins, winzip self-extractor for a quake 1 install, renamed to vbrun400.dll, hidden on a default rm networks network share [12:15] An entire lab of 40 BBC Masters playing "Cold Tea" simultaneously [12:15] i always thought that after using acorn/bbc, using linux is a natural path to take [12:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X374F0dhIks [12:16] you couldn't help but tinker with machines in those days [12:17] Yeah, the reason the BBC fostered a culture of programmers in the UK was i) necessity is the mother of learning, as well as invention [12:17] ii) They had a fricking TV SERIES, for heavens sake, that was religiously VCRed and played back to all UK school children [12:18] With Chris Searle [12:19] You had to know low-level tech stuff to work the thing, because it had no high-level UI abstractions [12:19] Even gamers had to learn the "CHAIN" command [12:19] Bah [12:19] * awilkins types *FX "GET OFF MY LAWN" [12:20] *FX, blimey - yes, you could call kernel routines, straight from the command line [12:23] oimon: Re Minecraft server, this may help http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/837900-hardware-specs-to-run-a-server/ [12:23] cheers DJones [12:24] awilkins, i've long lamented the lack of BBC Micro model C as the reason why the UK is crap for comsci skills these days [12:24] directhex, This is the niche the Pi is supposed to fit in I think [12:24] directhex, They are even putting actual BBC BASIC on it [12:24] remember when the UK was a global powerhouse in game development, about 8 years after the BBC? that wasn't a coincidence [12:25] until the govt removed the subsidies [12:25] oimon: Or join #ubuntu-uk-minecraft and ask the same question, apart from pop ey, I think there's a few other people that have run or still do run servers [12:25] directhex, Yeah, the BBC, the Spectrum, they were the drivers of that revolution [12:26] \o/ spectrum [12:26] awilkins, or remember Logo? not programming per se, but... [12:26] Apprently the BBC BASIC on Pi really flies along (as you might expect for a processor about a gazillion times more powerful than a 2Mhz 6502) [12:26] directhex, Logo was programming. I went to a posh school - we had a Turtle [12:26] directhex, But the 12V molex connector on it was broken [12:27] we had one of those too! [12:27] directhex: was it only 8 years? Felt like a lot longer, waiting for the tape to load. [12:27] awilkins, by obsessing over a physical turtle, you missed some of the best features of logo [12:27] Our IT teacher wrote the manual for COMAL [12:27] is there a on screen keyboard that'll only appear when you click in an editbox like on android? [12:27] i thought BBC Basic was the nuts until i discovered its limitations [12:27] I always thought that COMAL just had one letter too many as it sent me into a COMA [12:28] awilkins, you could spawn up to 8 turtles at once, redraw them, and assign them non-drawing idle movement routines. so i did an animated cityscape once, with cars & trucks driving along at varying speeds [12:28] We had this MUD we ran on our file server - which was another BBC, with a tube adaptor and a double stacked 5.5" floppy drive [12:28] took a while to do that one :p [12:28] We also ran play-by-turns versions of "It's a Crime" [12:29] (Which I hacked to give our team extra turns. The server was a bit trusting) [12:29] DJones: specs look a bit high - don't have that kind of stuff spare...in fact, it's prob better than my main pc [12:30] It's a crime, blimey - back when people actually played turn-based RPGs by POST. [12:30] And paid for the privilege [12:30] interesting note: collabora used to lease the original Science of Cambridge offices, which you should know about if you know your BBC/Sinclair history, [12:31] king's parade [12:31] bug 438868 thread has awoken again... [12:31] Launchpad bug 438868 in kile "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868 [12:32] oimon, there are other focus issues in compiz which unity makes 100x worse [12:33] unity just seems to be a massive waste of resources [12:33] oimon, e.g. if you close a fullscreen window, and have other fullscreen windows open, you may be shown window X, but the focused window is window Y, so the close button closes Y not X [12:33] Y is likely behind X [12:33] I've noticed that Unity pegs the performance mode of my GPU to top level, even if it's in "adaptive" mode [12:33] so you need to move the mouse away from the title bar & check the window title [12:34] So I've forcibly locked it to mid-level instead [12:34] canonical will never back out of unity will they ? :( [12:34] 10 degrees C lower temperature [12:35] I might lock it to lowest level, not like I do any 3D stuff, we can see if that's enough for Compiz doing a virtual flatland using 3D textures... [12:35] le sigh [12:36] awilkins, basically its nvidia, they notice 3d stuff is being used so they set it to maximum no matter what is happening, compiz/unity doesn't require much, locking it to low couldn't hurt [12:36] unless its not nvidia then blame [12:36] gord, I think it's nvidia [12:36] oimon: Heh, I thought about setting a server up as well, but I think my home web connection wouldn't make it viable for more than 1 or 2 users [12:37] gord, I'm sure the 101Mhz clock speed is probably more than enough for the display, given the parallelism in there [12:37] I discovered I'm in VirginMedias "enhanced upload" zone [12:38] awilkins, i'd expect so, if you are playing a video and open the dash it might struggle a bit, we do a real time blur, but everything else is just drawing textures [12:38] 3Mbit/s upload on their 30Mbit package, whee [12:39] i get 8mbit up, 38 down [12:39] however, http is broken ^_^ [12:39] Swings & roundabouts, eh [12:39] bt's transparent proxy is being rather opaque today [12:39] no not swings and roundabouts... i get 2mbit down 1 up [12:39] >:( [12:40] I mostly wanted the higher package because the "throttling" limits are more generous [12:40] ie - I often want to download more than 750MB in an afternoon, and I don't want my connection cut to 25% speed if I exceed it [12:41] It was making me plan my downloads, like I was on a modem again [12:41] Is this the slowest website in the world? http://www.ainovo.com/ Interesting new tablet with Android 4.0 for < $100 [12:41] yeah, why i like be. its all unlimited, rate limiting makes no sense [12:41] "So, I can start to install Skyrim just before 2100 and it will be done in 2 hours, any earlier and it will take 8" [12:42] gord, Well, the rate limiting makes sense ; it's a contended resource. They at least don't cap your total usage. [12:42] be are trailing fibre at the moment, its all very exciting [12:43] I remember when the local router node was being swamped with torrentors - it had a serious shortage of RAM and CPU by the feel of it, was getting 150ms ping times to the local hop [12:43]