| nuvolari | Maaz: tell kbmonkey enjoy: http://www.linuxandlife.com/2011/12/8-text-based-applications-in-linux.html | 10:40 |
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| Maaz | nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode | 10:40 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: nice list | 13:13 |
| octoquad | hi all! | 18:03 |
| Kilos | hiya superfly octoquad and others | 18:03 |
| superfly | hi Kilos, octoquad | 18:03 |
| Kilos | looks like neil either forgot his lappy in ahab land or is taking a break from pc's | 18:04 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, is als ok daar seun | 18:04 |
| Kilos | ? | 18:05 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 18:05 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 18:05 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 18:09 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 18:09 |
| Maaz | Enjoy Kilos | 18:09 |
| zeref | YaawwN | 18:37 |
| zeref | heh, cant use compiz with gnome3 | 18:55 |
| zeref | these "absa" notifications are starting to get annoying | 18:59 |
| superfly | zeref: Gnome3 or Gnome Shell? | 19:01 |
| zeref | oops | 19:02 |
| zeref | the shell | 19:02 |
| Kilos | night guys. sleep tight | 19:06 |
| Kilos | good luck tomorrow superfly | 19:06 |
| Kilos | be thinking of you | 19:06 |
| superfly | thanks Kilos | 19:06 |
| superfly | zeref: Gnome Shell doesn't use compiz, it uses clutter | 19:07 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: any progress with your packgae? | 19:43 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: nope, just been reading documentation and stuff | 19:47 |
| superfly | But I think I do see the differences in the packages - well, at least in the rules files | 19:47 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: in your opinion, should I upgrade the package format, or rather just fix up the existing package? or are they one and the same thing? ;-) | 20:11 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: IIRC your package was pretty straight-forward, so not that much work, either way | 20:12 |
| superfly | Maybe for now fix it up, and then look at upgrading it later? | 20:12 |
| tumbleweed | personally I'm not a CDBS fan, and prefer not to bring new packages into the archive, using it | 20:12 |
| tumbleweed | but that's not rejection material | 20:12 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: is there a way we can do what we do in the Makefile without CDBS? | 20:18 |
| * tumbleweed tries to find suprefly's code again | 20:18 | |
| tumbleweed | found it | 20:19 |
| * superfly goes back to see the beets package | 20:20 | |
| superfly | s/see/look at/ | 20:20 |
| * tumbleweed has a quick go at reworking it in debhelper | 20:21 | |
| superfly | tumbleweed: can you pastebin me what you're doing please? so that I have a better understanding of what is going on | 20:22 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: why are you installing the python bits in a different way to everything else? | 20:43 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: not too sure... I just followed cocooncrash's lead :-) | 20:44 |
| tumbleweed | normally one uses a Makfile for everything or setup.py for everything | 20:44 |
| tumbleweed | (the makefile is allow to call setup.py) | 20:44 |
| superfly | well, because this is a PyQt4 application, it needs to do a few things that Qt4 apps do, but it also needs to be installed like a Python app | 20:45 |
| tumbleweed | ok, but you can make your setup.py do whatever you want, it could handle the qt translation stuff | 20:45 |
| superfly | I looked at the "eric" package (the PyQt4 IDE) and it was extra complicated | 20:45 |
| tumbleweed | right now to install it, you have to run both setup.py install and make install | 20:46 |
| superfly | yeah, I figured as much | 20:46 |
| tumbleweed | usually in that situation, one makes the makefile call setup.py for you | 20:46 |
| superfly | yeah, I was thinking that would be the way to do it | 20:46 |
| tumbleweed | general tip: whenever you are writing a series of ;-separated commands (such as a loop) in a makefile, put a set -e; in front of it | 20:47 |
| tumbleweed | otherwise you'll miss failures | 20:47 |
| superfly | yeah, I read that in the documentation, but thanks for reminding me | 20:48 |
| tumbleweed | you don't need pyversions an dpycompat | 20:49 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: here's a really quick pass http://paste.debian.net/148367/ | 20:52 |
| tumbleweed | that's dh instead of CDBS, and dh_python2 instead of pysupport | 20:53 |
| tumbleweed | next, I'll try and move it out of the sysetm python-path, it doesn't need to be importable for everyone | 20:53 |
| tumbleweed | oh, you need to include the licence statement (not the complete licence, that can be referred to in /usr/share/common-licences) in debian/copyright | 20:55 |
| superfly | right. that's easy enough to do | 20:55 |
| tumbleweed | and the format of that file has changed a little since you last use dit | 20:56 |
| tumbleweed | http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ | 20:56 |
| tumbleweed | btw, dh_python2 can generate the dependencies from requires in the setup.py, if you want | 20:56 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: it's cool, at this stage we know the dependencies, and they vary slightly from distro to distro, so I think making them manual might be less hassle in the long run | 20:58 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, same with ibid | 20:59 |
| tumbleweed | it makes more sense to go the requires route if you are dealing with python people rather than distro people | 20:59 |
| tumbleweed | python-sqlite... you know python contains sqlite these days, right? | 21:02 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: yes, but the python-sqlite package is for SQLite 2.8, which the old Windows version of OpenLP uses, so it's there so that people can import from it | 21:03 |
| superfly | the new version (i.e. this version we're packaging) uses SQLite 3, which is part of Python :-) | 21:03 |
| tumbleweed | right, you probably only need to Recommend or Suggest it then | 21:04 |
| tumbleweed | (recommends are installed by default, for almost everyone) | 21:04 |
| superfly | OK | 21:04 |
| superfly | yeah, it's only used in 2 or 3 places in the code, and even there it's a conditional import, as it were | 21:04 |
| superfly | if it's not there, the code doesn't fall over | 21:05 |
| tumbleweed | ah, right, yes, it shouldn't crash without it | 21:05 |
| tumbleweed | bonus points if it says "you need ... for this to work" | 21:05 |
| tumbleweed | oh, the debian packaging includes the makefil | 21:06 |
| * tumbleweed simplifies further | 21:06 | |
| tumbleweed | http://paste.debian.net/148368/ <- install to a private location | 21:07 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: well, it says something of the sort :-) | 21:08 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: http://paste.debian.net/148377/ | 21:14 |
| tumbleweed | got rid of the Makefile, it wasn't doing anything *that* useful, and moved those bits into debian/rules | 21:14 |
| tumbleweed | the "using two build systems on after another" thing works great in CDBS, but not so well in dh... | 21:17 |
| chigambamukoko | is everyone here based in Sa? | 21:40 |
| superfly | mostly | 21:43 |
| chigambamukoko | I miss home | 21:44 |
| chigambamukoko | I miss the African Mornings | 21:44 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: ping | 22:00 |
| tumbleweed | yup | 22:03 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: how old is debhelper v7 ? | 22:05 |
| tumbleweed | Maaz: rmadison debhelper | 22:06 |
| Maaz | tumbleweed: *blink* | 22:06 |
| tumbleweed | pish | 22:06 |
| tumbleweed | it was in lenny, lucid, and hardy-backports | 22:06 |
| tumbleweed | OTOH, dh_python2 is pretty new. It's only in squeeze, maverick and later | 22:07 |
| tumbleweed | actually, I'm using debhelper 7.0.50 which wasn't in lenny or hardy-backports (but I think I have a local hardy backport of it somewhere) | 22:08 |
| tumbleweed | and lenny has a 8.0.0 backport | 22:08 |
| superfly | We currently use Launchpad's PPA service to build packages for 10.04, and I'm just wondering if I need to keep our current package for the PPA, and this "new" one for Debian | 22:08 |
| tumbleweed | dh_python2 was supposed to be backported to lucid. Just nobody has doen it yet | 22:09 |
| tumbleweed | the packages it produces have less moving parts (more reliable), and are faster to install / remove | 22:10 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: OK, thanks for all of this... I had to do a little manual patching, because one or two small things changed in the package since you last looked at it | 22:19 |
| superfly | I think everything is fine | 22:19 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: can you post it somewhere and I'll have a look? | 22:20 |
| superfly | uh, sure, I'll just commit it and push it up to LP quickly | 22:21 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/openlp/debian-package/files/head:/resources/debian/debian/ | 22:23 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: looking... | 22:25 |
| tumbleweed | (oh, btw, I did notice a fair number of lintian warnings and errors that should still be dealt with) | 22:25 |
| * superfly makes a note of that | 22:27 | |
| * tumbleweed likes new packages to be lintian-clean | 22:28 | |
| tumbleweed | then they can stay lintian-clean | 22:28 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: how do I build this package on my local machine? | 22:28 |
| superfly | Oh, I'm all for lintian-clean :-) | 22:28 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: so, it's not entirely trivial because of your odd layout | 22:33 |
| tumbleweed | normally, it's just "debuild -uc -us" (-uc -us meaning don't both signing) | 22:33 |
| tumbleweed | or bzr bd -- -uc -us for a bzr branch | 22:33 |
| tumbleweed | easiest option here is: bzr export ../openlp-1.9.7 | 22:35 |
| tumbleweed | cd ../openlp-1.9.7 | 22:35 |
| tumbleweed | ln -s resources/debian/debian . | 22:35 |
| tumbleweed | debuild -uc -us | 22:35 |
| superfly | let me give that a go then | 22:36 |
| tumbleweed | err and then that'll break because your package has changed from the .orig.tar.gz | 22:36 |
| tumbleweed | so you may want to temporarly change debian/source/format to 3.0 (native) | 22:36 |
| superfly | OK | 22:36 |
| tumbleweed | (keeping your packaging in your main branch, in an unusual subdir, is something tools are not going to like you for) | 22:37 |
| superfly | what should I do instead, keeping in mind that we have build or packaging systems for mulitple platforms | 22:38 |
| tumbleweed | don't bother too much about keeping your packaging in the branch up to date | 22:38 |
| tumbleweed | rather have something workable there | 22:38 |
| tumbleweed | but keep the packaging for the version in the archive separately | 22:38 |
| superfly | currently I keep the stuff in bzr up-to-date, and then when an update comes through, I copy it over to a specific location on my VPS, which submits the nightly builds for us | 22:39 |
| tumbleweed | you don't use launchpad's built-in daily builds? | 22:40 |
| superfly | no, I think we started this before Launchpad started their built-in daily builds | 22:40 |
| tumbleweed | also, in practice, daily-build packaging teends to have different needs to in-debian packaging | 22:41 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: yep, that's why I decided to rather separate them now | 22:42 |
| superfly | I moved that stuff out to another directory | 22:42 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: "either version 2 of the licence." ? | 22:43 |
| superfly | heh | 22:43 |
| superfly | lemme fix that :-) | 22:44 |
| tumbleweed | if you meant "or later", change the licence to GPL-2+ | 22:45 |
| superfly | no, I meant GPL2 only | 22:46 |
| superfly | Just trying to double-check the text | 22:46 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: lintian says | 22:50 |
| tumbleweed | P: openlp source: source-contains-prebuilt-windows-binary resources/windows/psvince.dll | 22:50 |
| tumbleweed | P: openlp source: unknown-copyright-format-uri http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ | 22:50 |
| superfly | OK, the first one I know, but the resources directory should not be packaged | 22:50 |
| superfly | the second one I'll have to double-check the format | 22:51 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: the package just contains everything that's in the .orig.tar.gz (i.e. everything you release as your source tarball) | 22:52 |
| tumbleweed | if that's necessary for your windows builds, you may want to find an alternative, or a way to build it (I don't know what it is) | 22:52 |
| superfly | right | 22:53 |
| superfly | I'll check how the orig.tar.gz is built | 22:53 |
| tumbleweed | of course, we can also construct a separate source tarball for Debian (and debian packages often have to do this, to remove nasty stuff), but that's non-ideal | 22:54 |
| tumbleweed | *packagers | 22:54 |
| superfly | well, that stuff shouldn't be in the nightly builds either, so I should really work on how to eliminate it in any case | 22:57 |
| tumbleweed | oh, whoops, those were only the source package lintian warnings. I let you off lightly :) | 22:59 |
| superfly | Thanks for all your help tumbleweed. I need to get to bed, a long day ahead of me tomorrow! | 22:59 |
| tumbleweed | you'll also hit: | 22:59 |
| tumbleweed | P: openlp: no-upstream-changelog | 22:59 |
| tumbleweed | W: openlp: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/openlp/openlp/plugins/remotes/html/jquery.js | 22:59 |
| tumbleweed | W: openlp: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/openlp | 22:59 |
| tumbleweed | (don't woryr about no-upstream-changelog, if you don't have it, you don't have it) | 23:00 |
| tumbleweed | np, night. | 23:00 |
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