| dholbach | good morning | 07:54 |
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| yaili | good morning | 08:58 |
| nigelb | Morning yaili. How was the move? :) | 09:00 |
| yaili | nigelb: good, thanks | 09:01 |
| nigelb | :) | 09:02 |
| mainerror | Good morning. | 09:14 |
| doctormon | hey mainerror | 11:39 |
| doctormon | MrChrisDruif: Yes | 11:40 |
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| wendar | meeting coming up in a few minutes... | 16:59 |
| MrChrisDruif | I'll try to attend it with my mobile | 16:59 |
| * MrChrisDruif is semi present | 17:02 | |
| wendar | greetings all | 17:04 |
| wendar | #startmeeting | 17:05 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Dec 7 17:05:18 2011 UTC. The chair is wendar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 17:05 |
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| AlanBell | o/ | 17:05 |
| wendar | I've started collecting introductions, so we all know who eachother are | 17:06 |
| wendar | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Introductions | 17:06 |
| wendar | anyone new this week, like to say hi and let us know what you're interested in? | 17:06 |
| bwinton | Hi, I'm Blake Winton, the UX lead for Thunderbird. I don't really have a lot to say here, so I'll mostly be lurking. ;) | 17:08 |
| wendar | welcome, bwinton :) | 17:08 |
| wendar | everyone, feel free to edit the introduction I pasted in for you (straight from earlier meetings) | 17:09 |
| wendar | or, add one if I missed you | 17:09 |
| wendar | [TOPIC] current projects | 17:09 |
| wendar | The two main things we're working on at the moment are a quick design review of the 4digits game, and more generally on design tools. | 17:10 |
| wendar | (tools/worklflows) | 17:10 |
| wendar | Any updates on the tools front over the past week? | 17:11 |
| wendar | What I'd like to do today is more of a practical working session, that actually involves both projects. | 17:13 |
| wendar | Specifically, the next step on 4digits is to start taking screenshots, marking them up, and figuring out what we want to improve. | 17:14 |
| wendar | But, we're struggling a bit with tools. | 17:14 |
| wendar | One suggestion is inkscape, but it's hard for multiple people to collaborate over an inkscape doc. | 17:15 |
| wendar | A bunch of people have been trying out different tools in the past few weeks. | 17:15 |
| wendar | Do you have some suggestions? | 17:16 |
| wendar | AlanBell: could Pencil help here? Or, the same collaboration limitations? | 17:17 |
| MrBadWiki | o/ just saying "hi" | 17:19 |
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| wendar | hi DrDruif, welcome | 17:21 |
| DrDruif | Thanks | 17:21 |
| wendar | would you like to introduce yourself? | 17:21 |
| DrDruif | I'm on a mobile with only touchscreen input, so I'll keep it short | 17:22 |
| DrDruif | My normal IRC name is MrChrisDruif, I've joined ubuntu beginners about a year ago and more recently I've become active again with ubuntu tv and tablet | 17:23 |
| DrDruif | AlanBell already knows me as well as a few others | 17:24 |
| DrDruif | I've got no history in graphics or design, but I'd like to learn about it. | 17:25 |
| DrDruif | That's it for now =) | 17:25 |
| wendar | very cool, glad you could join :) | 17:25 |
| * DrDruif celebrates the joys of modern technology =) | 17:26 | |
| wendar | AlanBell: I'm thinking we're going to end up using google docs for now. | 17:27 |
| Omega | Hello! | 17:28 |
| DrDruif | For text files? (I've missed a part of the meeting) | 17:28 |
| DrDruif | Hi Omega | 17:28 |
| Omega | I'm Omega, I've been using Ubuntu for a while, I've no background in graphics nor design either! What I am interested in is the thought that goes after design :) | 17:29 |
| DrDruif | Etherpad also works pretty well for text files and multi person editing | 17:29 |
| Omega | s/after/behind | 17:29 |
| DrDruif | You can even see who changed what | 17:30 |
| wendar | DrDruif: for images, particularly for marking up screenshots of an app to highlight areas for design improvements | 17:30 |
| DrDruif | Alright | 17:30 |
| wendar | DrDruif: Etherpad for images would be awesome :) | 17:30 |
| mhall119 | doctormon was working on some ideas for that | 17:31 |
| DrDruif | Indeed, but if everyone just wished it would be available/useable in etherpad, then nobody will do it. The devs of etherpad should know about it | 17:32 |
| DrDruif | Good to hear about doctormon is doing something about it =) | 17:33 |
| mhall119 | the devs of etherpad work for Google now, doing something else. Maybe the Etherpad Lite folks though | 17:33 |
| DrDruif | And the code from google wave? Is that any useable? | 17:35 |
| wendar | mhall119: that's true, doctormon mentioned it last week (was looking for a link), I'll check in with him and see if it's usable yet | 17:35 |
| wendar | mhall119: it may be a "next project we can use this" thing | 17:35 |
| wendar | DrDruif: was that code ever open sourced? | 17:36 |
| DrDruif | It's free to download, but only for a limited time. They've abandoned the project | 17:37 |
| DrDruif | And they'll want to remove it from their servers | 17:37 |
| DrDruif | I didn't party any notice to it, because it was to no use for me (not a dev as well) | 17:39 |
| DrDruif | Party is pay | 17:39 |
| mainerror | Did I miss the meeting? | 17:39 |
| DrDruif | And I hope it's still available | 17:40 |
| DrDruif | Still going mainerror | 17:40 |
| mainerror | Great. | 17:40 |
| DrDruif | I'll look it up when I'm back home if there is any interest | 17:41 |
| wendar | DrDruif: interesting, did they release the code with the idea that someone else might pick it up and maintain it? | 17:41 |
| DrDruif | I'd have to look it up | 17:42 |
| wendar | DrDruif: oooh, look http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ | 17:42 |
| wendar | So, they handed it over to Apache | 17:43 |
| DrDruif | If you say so, I'd have to look it up | 17:43 |
| wendar | I just ran across it from http://code.google.com/apis/wave/ | 17:44 |
| wendar | mainerror: so, we're talking about what tools to use for 4digits | 17:44 |
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| mainerror | Yup. Just read the transcript. | 17:45 |
| wendar | I'm still thinking we're going to end up on google docs for now, so we're not blocking the tiny project on tools. | 17:46 |
| DrDruif | Agreed | 17:46 |
| mhall119 | +1 | 17:46 |
| wendar | I'd be happier with open tools, but we're working on those at the same time, and will have them for later projects. | 17:47 |
| mainerror | +1 | 17:47 |
| mainerror | We can use the Drawing function. | 17:48 |
| wendar | mainerror: ah, trying it out now... | 17:49 |
| wendar | yeah, looks workable | 17:49 |
| mainerror | https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1rSPWpmu6L6APUUzsxL2OySNmCbabF3QXRVOnZTNf-s4/edit | 17:49 |
| mainerror | This is an example. | 17:49 |
| mainerror | People can now join my session with this link and participate. | 17:50 |
| mainerror | At least I hope they can. | 17:51 |
| mainerror | Can anyone confirm it? | 17:51 |
| DrDruif | Maybe later | 17:52 |
| mainerror | Oh yea, to edit it you have to be logged in with the current settings. | 17:53 |
| wendar | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fkV98vNooG8y8BlAeZ5WAL-5tT-57FpC2MD8qI0tS94/edit?hl=en_US | 17:54 |
| mainerror | Now everyone can edit it. | 17:54 |
| wendar | yah, zigactly, lovely | 17:54 |
| DrDruif | =) | 17:55 |
| wendar | and, the drawings can be tied together in a text document, so you can walk through the app in sections | 17:55 |
| wendar | with some description between | 17:55 |
| * DrDruif is on sake | 17:56 | |
| mainerror | So until we have our own tool I think this is a good option. | 17:56 |
| mainerror | Alright. What is next on the agenda? | 17:57 |
| wendar | yup, I'm getting real-time updates as we edit | 17:58 |
| wendar | mainerror: someone mentioned this week that they were interested in participating, but weren't sure what tasks were on offer | 17:59 |
| wendar | I think it'd be useful to start collecting together "ways you can get involved in design with Ubuntu" | 18:00 |
| wendar | we have the two projects, a little game, and moving forward tools | 18:01 |
| wendar | but, that's just what's new | 18:01 |
| wendar | there's icons for projects, teams, and websites | 18:02 |
| wendar | there's the tv/tablet/phone projects | 18:02 |
| wendar | and lots of other pieces volunteer designers have already been doing | 18:02 |
| DrDruif | That's where I'm focusing attention | 18:03 |
| DrDruif | Tv and phone that is | 18:04 |
| mainerror | For that problem I would like to propose the use of https://trello.com/ | 18:04 |
| mainerror | The Community team is trying it out as well. | 18:05 |
| DrDruif | Trello? | 18:05 |
| wendar | looks cool, is it open source? | 18:05 |
| mainerror | Uhm, I'm not quite sure if it is to be honest. | 18:06 |
| wendar | doesn't look like it, too bad | 18:06 |
| mainerror | https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1 | 18:07 |
| wendar | but, again, use what you've got, build something better :) | 18:07 |
| mainerror | This is the community team trello board. | 18:07 |
| mainerror | The problem is that right now I couldn't tell what someone could work on. | 18:08 |
| mainerror | We need something where people always know whats going on. | 18:09 |
| wendar | you can't tell from the community team's trello board? | 18:09 |
| wendar | or, you can't tell from the design side, and it's easier with the trello board? | 18:09 |
| mainerror | I'm talking about us right now. | 18:09 |
| mainerror | You can tell from the community trello board. | 18:09 |
| wendar | agreed, right now it's tough to find a design task to pick up | 18:09 |
| wendar | I'd be happy to try out trello | 18:10 |
| mainerror | I mean we could also make use of the harvest site. | 18:10 |
| mainerror | Was it called like that? I'm not sure. | 18:10 |
| wendar | you mean http://harvest.ubuntu.com/? | 18:10 |
| mainerror | Yup, that's the site. | 18:11 |
| wendar | like, add a "design" tab at http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/ | 18:11 |
| mainerror | Yea, that'd be an option I guess. | 18:12 |
| wendar | looks like it's organized by package | 18:12 |
| wendar | we have more freeflowing tasks | 18:12 |
| DrDruif | Opportunities? I'm interested | 18:12 |
| wendar | DrDruif: it's a site that helps people find bugs to work on | 18:14 |
| mainerror | Well the harvest site should be open source I guess. We could investigate on that and find out if we could use it for us. Self-hosted and modified. | 18:14 |
| wendar | mainerror: yes, that's a good tool to follow up on | 18:14 |
| wendar | also, ubuntu brainstorm | 18:14 |
| mainerror | Indeed although UB would need a heavy redesign if you ask me. Not that it'd stop us from using but still. | 18:15 |
| wendar | contributing design work to existing tools is certainly in scope for the group | 18:16 |
| wendar | it's a collaborative thing | 18:16 |
| DrDruif | I'm dining of. I'm at a dinner (japanese) | 18:16 |
| wendar | brainstorm is more "post a design problem, and post alternative solutions, then get review and feedback on the solutions" | 18:17 |
| wendar | but, it's very text oriented at the moment | 18:17 |
| wendar | still, potential, down the road | 18:17 |
| wendar | jono (if you're listening): have you been using trello? any thoughts on how well it works? | 18:18 |
| mainerror | Oh I actually meant a redesign of its UI. Get rid of some clutter, get it in line with the official Ubuntu webdesign guidelines. | 18:19 |
| wendar | that's in scope too, if the maintainers are amenable to collaborating on it | 18:20 |
| * mainerror nods | 18:20 | |
| wendar | I know nuthinking has been trying to get in touch with the brainstorm maintainers | 18:20 |
| wendar | (to volunteer some design time) | 18:21 |
| nuthinking | wendar: I am leaving the office | 18:21 |
| nuthinking | wendar: but | 18:21 |
| nuthinking | wendar: I can tell you that while there should be resources to update its look and feel | 18:21 |
| nuthinking | wendar: there aren't resources to improve its functionalities | 18:22 |
| nuthinking | wendar: do you need any other information before I leave? :) | 18:22 |
| mainerror | Well I'd be happy with the look and feel improvements already. | 18:22 |
| wendar | nuthinking: that's great, thanks! | 18:22 |
| nuthinking | ok, I go home then! ;) Bye everyone! | 18:22 |
| mainerror | Bye. | 18:23 |
| wendar | yeah, the functionality is useful now | 18:23 |
| jono | wendar, I haven't used it much, but Jorge has :-) | 18:23 |
| jono | he seems to like it | 18:23 |
| mainerror | Oh yea, if you guys want an invite in the Ubuntu Design Trello team, please send me your email address. | 18:23 |
| wendar | mainerror: I was just going to ask if you'd created one already :) | 18:25 |
| wendar | mainerror: sure, I'll join and try it out | 18:25 |
| wendar | Any other topics for this week? | 18:27 |
| mainerror | Not from my part. | 18:27 |
| mainerror | I just wanted to tell you about Trello. :) | 18:27 |
| wendar | :) | 18:28 |
| wendar | cool, thanks everybody! | 18:28 |
| wendar | #endmeeting | 18:28 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Dec 7 18:28:23 2011 UTC. | 18:28 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-design/2011/ubuntu-design.2011-12-07-17.05.moin.txt | 18:28 |
| mainerror | Oh yea. The screenshot in the Google Drawing doc is for this bug report. | 18:29 |
| mainerror | 891804 | 18:29 |
| mainerror | bug 891804 | 18:29 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 891804 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Software Center wastes space" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891804 | 18:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | Hi everyone | 21:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | wendar, did | 21:32 |
| mainerror | Hello. | 21:32 |
| MrChrisDruif | I miss much after I left? | 21:33 |
| wendar | hi | 21:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | mainerror, hi | 21:33 |
| wendar | MrChrisDruif: nope | 21:33 |
| wendar | we talked a bit more about brainstorm | 21:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | Brainstorm.ubuntu.com ? | 21:34 |
| wendar | yup, mainly just about "updating" the design to go with the other ubuntu sites | 21:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright | 21:35 |
| wendar | and jasox and I are going to start collecting screenshots of 4digits | 21:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | Did we go into the theme of moinmoin on wiki and help? | 21:35 |
| wendar | nope, didn't go into that | 21:35 |
| wendar | did you have a question/idea there? | 21:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | What is 4digits actually? ^_^ | 21:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | I didn't check the website tbh | 21:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | I'll check it later | 21:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, two things actually | 21:37 |
| MrChrisDruif | The new theme recently added lines above every header, which can be added manually. I think it's *not* a god idea to force it with every header | 21:39 |
| MrChrisDruif | And when is ubuntu planning on changing the theme on help? | 21:40 |
| MrChrisDruif | I think the new theme is ready for prime time on help | 21:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | ? | 21:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | I'll be back in a bit. Mobile internet probably isn't responding and need to ride my bike | 21:48 |
| mainerror | You mean the login header? | 21:48 |
| MrChrisDruif | Good evening | 22:04 |
| MrChrisDruif | Was every message I send received here? | 22:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | About my ideas about the moinmoin theme? | 22:34 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: yes | 22:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, I wasn't getting any response, but I'm blaming that on my mobile/carrier network | 22:36 |
| mhall119 | I think there just wasn't anybody around to respond | 22:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | wendar was around at the time I think | 22:37 |
| MrChrisDruif | Btw, I'm finally home =) | 22:37 |
| mhall119 | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/07/%23ubuntu-design.html#t21:35 | 22:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | Haha, mainerror responded just after I left =) | 22:40 |
| MrChrisDruif | mainerror; no I didn't mean the login header (single sign-on thing you meant right?) I'm talking about the actually wiki pages. You can have different "headers" or what their name might be | 22:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | That are those == Title 2 == things etc... | 22:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | ?? | 22:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | Nobody? | 22:57 |
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