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slangasek#startmeeting16:04
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Dec  7 16:04:08 2011 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.16:04
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jodho/16:04
slangasekoh right... you're making me change my shuf command to cope with a new /nick, hmph :)16:04
slangasek$ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek)16:05
jodhslangasek: soz ;)16:05
slangasekcjwatson jodh stgraber bdmurray ev slangasek doko barry16:05
slangasek[TOPIC] lightning round16:05
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cjwatsonFixed d-i explosion due to libselinux change (bug 899049).16:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 899049 in libselinux (Ubuntu Precise) "d-i based images reboots during installation" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89904916:05
cjwatsonSpent more or less the entire rest of the week working on germinate 2.0 and corresponding Launchpad changes.  Worked through an extremely detailed review from jtv today (https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/refactor-cron-germinate/+merge/84624) and this is now approved and ready to go, which I'm fairly sure will result in 30-minute publisher runs; I just need to continue poking IS until I get some attention ...16:06
cjwatson... paid to the relevant ticket.16:06
cjwatsonLittle bits of help with armhf.16:06
cjwatson..16:06
jodhNew nick (hopefully unique :) Raised MP for lucid for bug 771372.16:06
jodhFinished Upstart job logging code for system jobs and posted to16:06
jodhupstart-devel mailing list for review. After meeting with16:06
jodhslangasek+cjwaton, we have identified the best strategy for logging of16:06
jodhuser job output (in progress). Re-reviewed setuid/setgid Upstart patch16:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 771372 in procps (Ubuntu Natty) "procps runs too early in the boot process" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77137216:06
jodhwhich should be ready to merge by COB Friday along with the system job16:06
jodhlogging code. Currently re-reviewing "usage" stanza patch. Wrote a menu script16:06
jodh(http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/utils/upstart_menu.sh,16:06
jodhhttp://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/utils/upstart_menu.png) to16:06
jodhallow selection of particular Upstart binary under test. This speeds up16:06
jodhmy dev process, and could potentially be used by QA (and maybe even16:06
jodhfriendly-recovery). It also shows just how quick Upstart gets from16:06
jodh"startup" to lightdm" (since by the time the menu is displayed,16:06
jodhbios+kernel+initramfs is of course already loaded). Upstreamed a couple16:06
jodhof man page changes that hopefully clarify system behaviour.  Upstart16:06
jodhcookbook updates. On holiday tomorrow. Plan: Upstart merges, bug 553745.16:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 553745 in plymouth (Ubuntu Maverick) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55374516:06
jodh§16:06
stgraberoh, nice (upstart-menu)16:07
stgraber- ISO testing16:07
stgraber - Finishing the API, got results API published yesterday16:07
stgraber - Most new features turned on (multiple results per user, hardware profile, accessing archived results, viewing removed results/builds, ...)16:07
stgraber - Still preparing the upgrade of the production server (waiting on IS)16:07
stgraber- Edubuntu16:07
stgraber - Going to setup automated upgrade testing outside of Canonical DC for the flavours (spare time activity)16:07
stgraber- Networking16:07
stgraber - Going to upload a new ifenslave today, thanks everyone for your feedback on the changes16:07
stgraber - Then working on bridge-utils and vlan, hopefully also updated this week16:07
stgraber - After a few weeks, looking at pushing at least the ifenslave change to other supported release16:07
stgraber- TODO16:07
stgraber - Look at the new ifupdown in Debian (beta2), isolate the fix for bug 876829 and SRU to Oneiric16:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 876829 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Precise) "Oneiric's ifupdown breaks ip aliases" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87682916:08
stgraber - Start poking at resolvconf16:08
stgraber - Talk with cyphermox now that he's out of +1 :) (IPv6, complex networking in NM, dnsmasq, VPN stuff, ...)16:08
stgraber - Still need to get my iSCSI test setup online again and then look at the merge...16:08
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stgraber..16:08
cyphermoxon that subject: I've been working on ipv6 privext patches for NM, almost done.16:09
stgrabercyphermox: cool!16:09
stgrabercyphermox: did you file a bug for that sysfs weirdness?16:09
cyphermox(and it turns out somebody else was also working on this for Redhat too)16:09
cyphermoxnot a bug, but sent an email to linux-netdev, no response yet16:10
stgrabercool, thanks!16:10
bdmurraybug triage of iso-testing bug reports16:10
bdmurraydiscussion with mvo regarding changelogs.ubuntu.com and meta release files16:10
bdmurraymodification to cbd (collect bug data)  part of arsenal to check date_last_updated of bug tasks16:10
bdmurraymodification to cbd to use searchTasks's modified_since parameter16:10
bdmurraywrote release notes regarding bug 891711 (downgrade option in ubiquity)16:10
bdmurrayreview of bug bot work16:10
bdmurraytesting d3 graphing tool with recent package bugs16:10
bdmurrayubiquity bug triage (primarily bugs due to memory issues when installing)16:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 891711 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) ""Upgrade" from 11.10 to 11.04 results in a unusable system" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89171116:10
bdmurraybug pattern writing for bug 894768, bug 850264 and bug 88214716:10
bdmurrayupdated firefox-lp-improvements for precise16:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89476816:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 850264 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "given a foreign architecture of i386 on amd64 machine, and an outdated libc, apt tries to remove libc-bin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85026416:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 882147 in linux (Ubuntu) "overlayfs does not implement inotify interfaces correctly" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88214716:10
slangasekjodh: "just how quick" *does* it get from startup to lightdm?  Do your numbers that way line up with the holistic boot speed tests?16:11
stgraber(for the record, the bug is that changing something in /proc/sys/net/*/conf/all doesn't apply to all the interfaces, so a bit annoying when we want to change a flag)16:11
bdmurrayjodh: I was looking at bug 849414 for more information yesterday and didn't find any debug log files attached to duplicates16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 849414 in plymouth (Ubuntu Precise) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84941416:11
jodhslangasek: rough figure is ~2.5 seconds (in a VM admittedly :)16:11
slangaseknot too shabby16:12
jodhbdmurray: yes, I know. the problem is is seems to be timing related and if you enable debug, you don't see the problem.16:12
jodhbdmurray: s/is is/is it/16:12
bdmurrayactually when I looked at all plymouth bugs there were only 2 debug log files and they were from you ;-)16:13
jodhbdmurray: :) they were gleaned through a bit of trickery too :)16:13
slangasekstgraber: /proc/sys/net/*/conf/all - this has plagued me for years, and causes me to have to manually start radvd on my Debian armel gateway after boot... very annoying :P16:13
slangasekhmm, no ev on channel16:13
slangasekguess that means it's my turn16:14
slangasekjodh, bdmurray: I don't think it's just a timing thing with the debug logs, I think part of it is that the problem is not 100% reproducible to begin with16:15
slangasek * slogging through email after returning from vacation16:15
slangasek * helped run an Ubuntu Local Jam here last weekend, tackling multiarch libraries for ia32-libs: http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Making_jam_from_bugs/16:15
slangasek * shepherded these fixes into precise16:15
slangasek * merged Ubuntu armhf ld.so support into Debian eglibc16:15
slangasek * TODO this week:16:15
slangasek  * looking at multiarch for gstreamer16:15
slangasek  * looking at various improvements to resolvconf that are in the wild to get them integrated for precise16:15
slangasek..16:15
doko- a mostly ARM week16:16
doko- fix packages to build on armhf, that do build on armel16:16
doko- openjdk updates and running zero and jamvm tests16:16
doko- fix build failures in main for armhf16:16
doko- fix build failures in package sets for armhf16:16
doko- look at libreoffice armhf port, won't continue myself, bug #90063616:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 900636 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Precise) "libreoffice ftbfs on armhf" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90063616:16
doko- linaro gcc 4.5 and 4.6 merges16:16
doko- gcc cross merges from Marcin16:16
doko- prepare gdc for armhf16:16
doko- start cross-building gnat for armhf16:16
doko- llvm-3.0 and dragonegg updates16:16
doko- MIR's, syncs, merges16:16
doko- stop looking at eglibc-2.15 for now16:16
doko..16:16
barrymore python-dbus porting to python3.  after initial branch discussion with scott mcvittie, and review of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26420&action=View i reworked my port so that object-paths, signatures, etc. are unicodes instead of bytes.  this made it much easier to pass the existing test suite because the callback dispatching code didn't need to be rewritten to handle byte slicing and comparisons.  new branch pushed16:17
barryto lp and patch submitted to the above tracker issue.  i've already gotten one bug report from arch linux :).  spent some time reporting and debugging https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43303 without success.  todo: package this version up into a ppa, advertise it a bit more, and start to port an app (probably c-j).  along the way, i had to fix python issue 11147 http://bugs.python.org/issue11147.  i was patch pilot yesterday.16:17
barryreviewed a webified version of my dh_python2 tutorial: http://www.rowinggolfer.org/tutorials/packaging/dh_python2_tutorial.html.  also if you're interested, i am writing a chapter on mailman3 for the next edition of the aosa book: http://www.aosabook.org/en/index.html.  done.16:17
ubottuFreedesktop bug 26420 in python "Patch to make D-Bus Python compile under Python 3" [Normal,Assigned: ]16:17
ubottuFreedesktop bug 43303 in python "dbus-python test suite failures" [Normal,New: ]16:17
jodhslangasek: right. I have a script which attempts to force it (http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/plymouth/test_plymouth.sh), but that's "post boot" of course.16:17
slangasekand it looks like armhf now has main fully built, aside from libreoffice \o/16:17
cjwatsonoh, well done on python3-dbus16:18
barrycjwatson: thanks!  hopefully this will pass upstream's muster16:18
barrylots of great lessons learned to, which i'll blog about soon16:19
barrys/to/too/16:19
slangasekthanks all16:21
slangasekany more questions for each other on this week's activity?16:21
slangasek[TOPIC] Bugs16:22
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slangasekbdmurray: what bugs do we need to fix?16:23
bdmurrayThere have been a few pm-utils assigned to us recently, but you've seen at least one of them16:23
slangasekI saw three, I've triaged two of them so far16:24
bdmurrayand then in bug 766265 there is some question, from the reporter, as to whether not it should still be fixed16:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 766265 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubiquity proceeds to use free space without warning" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76626516:25
slangasekthe third one looks like it's a spelling bug... not going to the top of my urgency list :)16:25
bdmurraycomment #25 and comment #2716:25
bdmurrayslangasek: yes, three is all I see16:26
cjwatsonalthough I know Erick thinks he wants my input, it seems like a design issue rather than something I can usefully weigh in on16:27
bdmurrayso should mpt be consulted?16:27
cjwatsonwait16:27
cjwatsonis it just a matter of whether the button should change to "Install Now"?16:28
cjwatsonsorry, the bug is kind of long16:28
cjwatsonbut looking at comment #15 and wondering if that would be enough16:28
cjwatsonif it's more than that mpt would need to have a look16:28
cjwatsonbut if it's just that, I can probably fix it16:29
bdmurrayOkay, I'll follow up with Erick16:30
cjwatsoncomment #19 from Erick suggests that16:31
cjwatsonso possibly no need16:31
cjwatsonI just wish this were less verbose :-)16:31
cjwatsonand less raising of side issues mid-bug16:31
bdmurrayhaving a bug be too verbose is an interesting problem to have16:32
bdmurrayas opposed to "fix it"16:32
barrybdmurray: +116:32
bdmurrayor "I don't know"16:32
slangasekI usually find the too-verbose bugs more frustrating ;)16:33
cjwatsontrue, but there's a threshold beyond which I stop being able to focus16:33
bdmurrayokay moving on ;-)  bug 89878716:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 898787 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "(k|l|x)ubuntu 11.10 failed to install with error in install_misc.py assert cache._depcache.broken_count == 0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89878716:33
cjwatsonyeah, saw that in my inbox, but haven't dug in yet - see above comments about being in a cave hacking on LP all week :)16:34
cjwatsonin general that sort of vaguely means "the current system is inconsistent, I have no idea what to do"16:34
cjwatsonbut no idea how that would happen on install, even if it is over the top of an existing one16:35
cjwatsonI don't suppose somebody else could look at that, since I'm on holiday for the rest of the week?16:36
slangasekstgraber: ^^ could you look at this?16:36
slangasekbdmurray: there are 6 duplicates; does that tell us anything about how frequent the problem is?16:37
cjwatsonhmm16:37
bdmurrayslangasek: those were manually marked so it might not16:37
cjwatsonwere there any language pack updates recently?16:37
slangasekok16:37
stgraberyep, I can have a look16:37
slangasekcjwatson: there were, and there was some breakage on the first go16:37
cjwatsonI vaguely recall something about -base not being promoted to -updates16:37
bdmurrayslangasek: I'll look after the meeting16:37
slangasekyes16:37
cjwatsonthat would probably cause this, although it would be nice if that didn't cause stable installs to crash ...16:38
cjwatsonso quite possibly dormant but should be fixed for robustness16:38
ScottKcjwatson: I hit the regression panic alarm about it a few days ago.16:38
cjwatsonstgraber: thanks16:38
cjwatsonScottK: I think that's what I saw.  pitti seemed to be on top of it by the time I noticed though.16:39
cjwatson2011-12-01, sounds about the right kind of time16:39
ScottKYes.  He was.16:39
ScottKI don't know if anyone did a comprehensive check to see if any others than the one I hit got missed.16:39
slangasekthe latest duplicate is dated 2011-12-0516:40
slangasekwhich is certainly after ScottK/pitti worked on it16:40
ScottKYep16:41
cjwatsonUnless out of date mirrors were involved16:41
slangasekotoh, the reports include locale data16:41
cjwatson(But sure, it could be something else)16:41
slangasekheh, true16:41
slangaseklanguage-pack-gnome-sv-base | 1:11.10+20111025 | oneiric-proposed | source, all16:42
slangasekmissing from -updates16:42
slangasek(bug #900571)16:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 898787 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "duplicate for #900571 (k|l|x)ubuntu 11.10 failed to install with error in install_misc.py assert cache._depcache.broken_count == 0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89878716:42
slangasekcjwatson: so apparently we don't have a systematic check for these; any idea how we can fix that?16:42
cjwatsonit probably ought to be an alarm in the pending SRU report16:43
cjwatsonmaybe we can run britney over oneiric-updates too16:43
cjwatsonwell, oneiric+oneiric-updates16:43
slangasekcjwatson: do you want to take the action on that?16:43
cjwatsonyeah, why not16:43
slangasek[ACTION] cjwatson to look at running britney over $release+$release-updates, to catch inconsistencies caused by incomplete SRU publication16:44
meetingologyACTION: cjwatson to look at running britney over $release+$release-updates, to catch inconsistencies caused by incomplete SRU publication16:44
slangasekcjwatson: thanks16:44
bdmurraythat's it from me then16:45
slangasekok, thanks16:46
cjwatsonpsusi has filed an MP with ureadahead performance improvements - could somebody have a look at it?16:48
cjwatson(sorry, don't seem to have the URL to hand, but it should be easy to find)16:49
barryi think this is it: https://code.launchpad.net/~psusi/ubuntu/precise/ureadahead/faster/+merge/8455616:50
cjwatsonta16:51
barrylooks like luke is looking into it16:51
slangasekdidn't he say on IRC that he was punting on it and wanted someone else to look?16:51
cjwatsonOK, though I don't know if he was just patch-piloting16:51
barry(or maybe psusi is, the comment is ambiguous ;)16:51
slangasekhe was patch-piloting16:51
slangasekI would look at the ureadahead branch but can't promise to get to it... so if someone else wants to volunteer... :)16:52
jodhslangasek: I can have a look. What's the urgency on this?16:52
slangasekjodh: not particularly high AFAIK16:52
slangasekjodh: and thanks :)16:53
jodhslangasek: works for me then :D16:53
slangasekone other thing on bugs16:53
slangasek[LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html16:53
slangasekI challenged you guys a while ago to get this list down by the end of the year16:54
slangasekwell, two bugs have been fixed - good work!16:54
slangasekand two more have taken their place ;)16:54
slangasekI think I'm going to start doling out the bugs to assignees so we make some headway16:54
slangasekso if there's a bug you'd like to work on from that list, go ahead and claim it or you might get assigned another one :-)16:55
cjwatsonyow16:55
cjwatsonguess I'd better start hitting mine in earnest next week16:55
cjwatsonsorry16:55
slangasekI've taken bug #874774 for myself... which is cheating, a community member has triaged it and provided a patch ;)16:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 874774 in cryptsetup (Ubuntu Precise) "could not mount /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87477416:55
slangasekcjwatson: there are lots of other demands on people's time of course, I just don't want us to lose sight of these bugs16:56
slangasekwhich in theory are some of the highest-impact persistent ones16:56
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB16:57
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slangasekanything else?16:57
slangaseksounds like a 'no16:58
slangasek'16:58
slangasek#endmeeting16:58
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Dec  7 16:58:18 2011 UTC.16:58
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-07-16.04.moin.txt16:58
dokoI'd like to start with the libjpeg-turbo uploads16:58
slangasekthanks, all!16:58
stgraberthanks!16:58
barrythanks!16:58
dokoassuming that the archive is in a good state16:58
slangasekdoko: #ubuntu-devel?16:59
dokook16:59
jodhcheers16:59
* charlie-tca waves at QA people17:00
gemahi charlie!17:00
gemawe are starting!17:00
charlie-tcaI made it?17:00
gemaindeed :)17:00
gema#startmeeting QA Meeting17:00
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* kamusin :)17:00
gemahello everyone, who's present for the QA meeting?17:01
brendandhi17:01
charlie-tcao/17:01
roadmrhello!17:01
* kamusin o/17:01
gemalet's summon some others hggdh jibel_ nuclearbob patrickmw , are you guys there?17:01
nuclearbobyep17:02
patrickmwsure am17:02
gemaok, let's get started17:02
gema#topic Previous Actions17:02
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gemaACTION: gema to add lubuntu and Xubuntu testing updates to the agenda (gema, 17:08:59)17:02
gemaI did that , we are discussing those , you can check the agenda in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings17:03
gemawe can move them around if that's preferred17:03
gemaACTION: patrickmw to publish a list of launchpad projects that conform our automated testing in jenkins (gema, 17:16:20)17:03
patrickmwin progress17:03
gemaok, so we'll keep it there for next week17:03
gema#action patrickmw to publish a list of launchpad projects that conform our automated testing in jenkins17:04
meetingologyACTION: patrickmw to publish a list of launchpad projects that conform our automated testing in jenkins17:04
gema#topic Blueprints Update Precise17:04
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gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-builds-smoke-testing17:04
gemaok, any updates on this, anyone?17:04
kalosaurusrexhello Aaron here17:05
gemahi kalosaurusrex , go ahead17:05
gemakalosaurusrex: do you want to give us an update?17:06
kalosaurusrexI don't have an update exactly.  but is there someone who checks the builds daily anyway?  I was thinking about setting up a script that would pull down the daily and I could do a quick check as we add to the smoke test etc17:07
gemakalosaurusrex: we are doing that in jenkins, let me paste a link to it17:07
gemahttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/17:07
gemayou can see there whether our basic install and little more testing passed or not17:08
kalosaurusrexawesome thanks!17:08
gemapatrick will be publishing the list of launchpad projects that have the code we are running17:08
charlie-tcao/17:09
gemaI don't think there's any update from us either, except that patrick and myself are trying to get jenkins to show the results in a nicer fashion17:09
gemacharlie-tca: go ahead17:09
charlie-tcaI am not sure, but it looks to me like a run on jenkins 9 hours ago was yesterday's images, or am reading times wrong?17:09
* alourie just barely made it17:10
gemacharlie-tca: if I count well, 9 hours ago are 8am london time17:10
charlie-tcaSo it is me?17:10
gemacharlie-tca: that is the usual time by when the new images are ready and jenkins starts automagically17:10
charlie-tcaOkay. Then I got confused again on times17:11
gemacharlie-tca: no probs17:11
gemaalourie: welcome17:11
gemaok, other thing we are doing is trying to put together a bug report that shows which defects we've found on these executions17:12
gemanuclearbob and I are working on that one too17:12
gemawe'll let you know when it is ready17:12
gemamoving on to the next topic then17:12
gema#subtopic #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-boot-speed-testing17:12
gemapatrickmw ?17:12
patrickmw* New info available on reports: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/dell-vostro-3400/index.html17:12
patrickmw* Still need to add Lucid benchmark to all systems17:12
patrickmw* Adding more systems over the next few months17:12
patrickmw..17:12
gemagood, thanks17:13
gemaif anyone has questions please interrupt me, I won't be asking explicitely17:13
gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-kernel-sru17:13
gemasconklin ?17:13
sconklinI've been doing two main tasks.17:14
sconklinThe first is an initial look at some performance tests that may be useful for measuring kernels for uses like Ubuntu Studio and other critical audio and video apps17:15
sconklinNothing conclusive has come out of that yet17:15
sconklinThe second is take perform  a comprehensive look at LTP (Linus Test Project)17:15
sconklinand determine what we should be running out of that test suite that we are not already running17:15
sconklinas well as getting a better handle on our management of that test suite as part of our automated testing17:16
sconklinThat's about it.17:16
sconklin..17:16
gemacool, thanks a lot17:16
gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-standard-sru-testing17:16
gemajibel_: ?17:16
gemaI don't think he is around, so let's move on17:17
gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-test-case-management-tool17:17
gemaI had a conversation with the mozilla guys and they seem to be moving away from litmus and are developing a new tool, called CaseConductor that seems to be improving litmus17:17
gemawe are considering to go for that one, especially because they are finishing development now and are willing to accommodate our requirements. I am in the process of gathering those to be able to talk to them17:17
gemaSo we may have to do some beta testing of their tool in exchange, whenever they are at that stage, in January17:18
gemafor the time being, it would be good if we used for our work of improving existing test cases, just spreadsheets, find a template at the bottom of the test case page17:18
gemahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestCase17:18
gema..17:18
gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-backlog17:19
gemadoes anyone have an update on backlog tasks?17:19
gemaor wiki improvements or similar?17:19
alourieo/17:19
gemaalourie: go ahead17:19
alouriealright17:19
alourieso, we've started working on 7 items list17:19
gemayep, brendand named it Wiki x)17:20
gema(he didn't like my numbers, they are impersonal)17:20
alourie:-)17:20
alouriepersonally, I'm not sure that wiki itself should update much17:20
alouriebut qa.ubuntu.com may17:20
brendandgema - you're welcome ;)17:20
alouriebrendand: you should send the list with names :-)17:21
gemaok, alourie , this is the wiki we are talking about right: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam17:21
alourieyes17:21
alourieit's quite up to date, maybe couple of things should be updated17:22
gemaI think it doesnt' really reflect what we are doing, does it?17:22
alouriebut the qa.u.c site seems to be abandoned17:22
alouriewell17:22
alouriegema, why not?17:22
gemaalourie: because it seems to talk about bugsquad tasks which we are not necessarily focussing on17:23
gemaand it doesn't touch on the changes we are working on17:23
gemawhat we are trying to achieve17:23
gemaI don't think we are doing good PR with that page17:23
gemaif you know what I mean17:23
gemawe are not inviting many people to help :D17:24
alouriegema: oh, so you want to split it, so QATeam would specifically be concentrated on testing?17:24
alourie^^17:24
gemayep, that's what we've done already with the meeting and stuff17:24
gemait is good to have a link to the bugsquad page17:24
gemabut we need to be clear on what our objectives are17:24
gemawhich we are not17:24
alourieah, ok, got you17:24
alourieagreed17:24
gemaso, I haven't had time to think about this17:25
gemanor our tasks page is linked17:25
gemaor the active members are mentioned17:25
charlie-tcaWouldn't it be better to rename the teams, QA testing and QA bugsquad?17:25
gemabut this needs some thinking17:25
alouriecharles: that would be a bit misleading I think17:25
gemathe bugsquad is already the bugsquad, they have a name17:25
brendandBugSquad should be just that17:25
alouriebrendand: +117:26
gemathe problem is that we seem to imply we are doing the same thins17:26
gemathings17:26
charlie-tcabut both teams are what QA is17:26
gemano, bug triaging is one thing17:26
gemaQA is another thing17:26
gemaboth important17:26
gemabut different17:26
* brendand agrees17:26
alouriegema: wait a sec17:26
* kalosaurusrex agrees17:26
alourieyou mean that QA and BugSquad would split totally?17:26
gemaalourie: I think we have split totally17:26
charlie-tcaSo, QA is only TESTING, it has no other functions?17:26
alourieahh17:27
gemawe have bdmurray helping us with our bug classification problems17:27
alourieI haven't thought about it like that17:27
gemaetc17:27
gemaso we collaborate17:27
* alourie agrees17:27
gemacharlie-tca: QA is about ensuring the quality of the OS17:27
alourienow I get it17:27
gemanot just testing17:27
gemathere is more to it than just testing17:27
alouriegema: well, ensuring by means of testing...17:27
alourie:-)17:27
gemawe may care about counting how many bugs we find, for instance17:27
alourieok, I get it now.17:27
gemabut not about triaging them as such17:27
brendandwhat kind of bugs we are missing, etc17:28
gemabrendand: +117:28
alourie+117:28
gemacool, alourie , can you give it a thought on this light17:28
gemaand see what you come up with?17:28
gemare qa.u.c, I agree, we should be posting more often17:29
alouriesure.  I think that we need a our "mission statement" to be refreshed17:29
gemaalourie: agreed17:29
alourieok, then I'll do that.17:29
gemacharlie-tca: are you happy with this?17:29
txomonSo, is that split documented with all that involves somewhere, or are we deciding it no?17:29
charlie-tcaI am confused than anything else. I will just have to see how it all ends up.17:29
gemacharlie-tca: ok17:30
txomons/no/now17:30
gematxomon: we are trying to document it17:30
brendando/17:30
alouriesorry guys, baby needs to go to sleep, I must leave now. I will read logs later.17:30
gematxomon: and we will need collaboration with the bugsquad for that17:30
gemaok alourie17:30
gemabrendand: ?17:30
alouriegema: great then17:31
brendandjust to say that bug triaging can be considered a bridge between QA and the 'debugging' aspect of development17:31
gemabrendand: noted, we may continue this discussion on the list, we need to keep going17:31
gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-qa-regression-testing17:32
gemanuclearbob: ?17:32
nuclearbobI've got an auotest package now17:32
nuclearbobI'm getting it into better shape so it'll do al the necessary configuration and support upgrading and removal correctly17:32
nuclearbobwhen we get the new hardware in the lab, we can install it and setup some test nodes to run the qrt scripts through autotest17:32
nuclearbob..17:33
gemathanks!17:33
gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-automated-test-submissions17:33
gemapatrickmw: ?17:33
patrickmwThis is the next priority item for me.  I've started on it since boot speed is coming together17:34
patrickmwNothing major to report17:34
gemacool, thanks17:34
gema#subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-metrics17:34
gemanothing to report on this apart from the bug report nuclearbob and I are working on17:35
gema#subtopic Community Tasks - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TasksPrecise17:35
gemaanything on the tasks that needs discussing and we haven't touched base on yet?17:35
kalosaurusrexo/17:35
gemakalosaurusrex: go ahead17:36
kalosaurusrexso I have created a list of applications and verified against the manifest. All good there. My question is there set of criteria that we want to start with for applications to test during the smoke test?17:36
gemakalosaurusrex: what I said in the email is what we have17:37
gemadevelopers needs need to be covered17:37
gemaand testers needs too17:37
gemaso any app that a dev or a tester would need to do their job needs to be smoke tested17:37
gemaso that we find the problems as early as they are introduced17:37
gemadoes that make sense?17:38
kalosaurusrexOkay makes sense.  I was defiantly going to have a separate test for each.  I guess I was wondering if anyone had anything specific or I can start building a list and email it out for suggestions.17:38
gemamaking sure unity is up and running, for instance, with a ps or a top command17:38
gemaall simple things17:38
kalosaurusrexOkay gotcha :)17:38
gemaok, thanks for the work you are doing :)17:39
gemamoving on then17:39
gema#topic Update Xubuntu17:39
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gemacharlie-tca: ?17:39
charlie-tcatested images this week. Today, all Xubuntu 64bit images fail to install17:40
charlie-tcaThis appears to be a transmission uninstallable bug17:40
charlie-tca..17:40
gemacharlie-tca: thanks17:40
gema#topic Update Lubuntu17:40
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gemaanyone from Lubuntu with an update for us?17:41
gemaok, next week then17:41
gema#topic Update Ubuntu17:41
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gemahggdh, jibel_ ?17:41
gemaok, resting after A1, I guess17:42
gema#topic Other Topics17:42
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gemaanything else anyone?17:42
patrickmwo/17:42
gemago for it patrickmw17:42
patrickmwThanks to jibel for sharing http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html17:42
patrickmwThis page gets updated with known Precise stability issues17:42
patrickmwI created this job: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/job/precise-problems-check/17:42
patrickmwThe job runs every hour and checks for issues.  If issues are found, the job will fail and send an email to ubuntu-testing-notifications@lists.ubuntu.com17:42
patrickmw..17:42
gemapatrickmw: excellent, thanks a lot to you and jibel17:43
gemaanything else?17:43
gemaok, we are done then17:43
gema#endmeeting17:44
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Dec  7 17:44:00 2011 UTC.17:44
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-07-17.00.moin.txt17:44
gemathanks everyone for coming!17:44
roadmrthanx!17:44
charlie-tcagema: thank you for chairing and for your patience17:44
gemacharlie-tca: not a problem, thank you all for your time17:44
nuclearbobthanks for chaiting17:45
hggdh+117:45
gemahggdh: I thought you were off! :)17:45
hggdhno, I was not :-)17:46
gemaok :D17:46
bdmurray#startmeeting18:01
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Dec  7 18:01:40 2011 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.18:01
meetingologyAvailable commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired18:01
hggdh~o~18:03
bdmurraySo this is the 2nd bugs meeting after the breakup ;-)18:03
hggdhindeed18:04
bdmurray[TOPIC] Previous Actions18:04
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bdmurraypedro had an action to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting18:05
bdmurraythe wiki looks updated to me18:05
hggdhso we are done there18:05
bdmurraythe email was sent too?18:05
hggdhhum18:06
bdmurrayI found it18:06
bdmurrayso yes18:06
hggdhyes18:06
bdmurrayhowever the topic in #ubuntu-bugs needs to be updated18:06
bdmurray[ACTION] bdmurray update the topic in #ubuntu-bugs regarding meetings18:06
meetingologyACTION: bdmurray update the topic in #ubuntu-bugs regarding meetings18:06
bdmurraythat's it for the action items from the last meeting18:07
bdmurray[TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status18:07
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bdmurraythe foundations team is looking at bug 898787 and now and I've found a few more duplicates of it18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 898787 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "(k|l|x)ubuntu 11.10 failed to install with error in install_misc.py assert cache._depcache.broken_count == 0" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89878718:08
bdmurraywe are also planning to update ubiquity so that dpkg messages in ubiquity log files are in English18:09
bdmurraythis'll make bug pattern writing and duplicate finding easier going forward18:09
bdmurrayI've also been working with a different graphing tool to show some more dynamic bug stats18:10
bdmurrayUrsinha: Do you have anything?18:10
hggdhmia?18:11
bdmurray[ACTION] bdmurray send bugs meeting announcement before the next meeting18:12
meetingologyACTION: bdmurray send bugs meeting announcement before the next meeting18:12
bdmurrayhggdh: maybe that'll help ;-)18:12
hggdhheh18:12
bdmurrayjsalisbury: Anything going on in kernel bug land?18:12
bdmurraymoving on then18:14
bdmurray[TOPIC] Other Topics18:14
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bdmurrayhggdh: Do you have anything?18:14
hggdhyes18:15
hggdhI have closed the mentorship, and now I am only left with removing the teams18:15
hggdhwe need to think about the videos, etc18:15
hggdh..18:15
bdmurrayYes, I emailed popey and got some information about tools etc18:16
popey"some information" = a wall of text ☺18:16
bdmurraySo its on the list18:16
hggdhk18:16
hggdhheh18:16
bdmurrayI've recently been working a lot with a bug report generation and gathering tool in arsenal18:17
bdmurrayI'm rather excited about that and the graphing stuff.18:18
bdmurrayOkay then I think that covers it.18:18
hggdhand I am to grab some data on harvest18:19
bdmurrayhggdh: hm?18:19
hggdhdholbach and I discussed a bit what we can do with harvest18:20
hggdhextend, provide a better user interface, etc18:20
hggdhthis has been a bit dormant, but I will get to it18:20
bdmurrayhggdh: ah cool18:21
hggdhbut this is it, from me18:21
bdmurrayokay thanks18:21
bdmurray#endmeeting18:21
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Dec  7 18:21:52 2011 UTC.18:21
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hggdhthank you bdmurray18:21
charlie-tcaThank you for chairing, bdmurray18:22
kamusinthanks guys :)18:23
moergaesHello world19:01
tenachhello moergaes19:11
moergaesHi19:12
moergaesI guess I am a little too early here...19:12
plarshttps://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/Infrastructure/LinaroCIBuildTestService#Setting_up_Jobs_on_ci.linaro.org19:26
plarsoops, wl, sorry :)19:26
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moergaesNew guy asking: Is there a meeting going on here?20:21
jrgiffordmoergaes: don't think so, the #lubuntu meeting got cancelled.20:22
moergaesWell, it would have been nice with a message explaining this.20:23
YorvykThere is a message on the mailing list20:24
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