[00:00] <sladen> so Russian:  ƨƨ̄́  Serbian:  ƨ̄ƨ̄́   Macedonian  ƨ̄ƨ̄́  ?
[00:00] <Ddpbf> yes
[00:00] <sladen> mmm
[00:00] <Ddpbf> errrrrrr
[00:00] <Ddpbf> first
[00:00] <Ddpbf> one is correct
[00:00] <Ddpbf> look
[00:01] <Ddpbf> Russian:  ƨ nothing  Serbian:  ƨ̄ nothing   Macedonian  ƨ̄ƨ̄́  ?
[00:01] <sladen> lets try another way of phrasing it:
[00:02] <sladen> Default:  ƨƨ̄́    Russian: (no overrides)   Serbian: override ƨ̄    Macedonian: override  ƨ̄
[00:03] <sladen> the locale overrides are overrides.  and most of the time a language code is not set, so not overrides as possible
[00:03] <Ddpbf> sladen that is correct
[00:04]  * sladen welcomes damjan from #ubuntu-mk
[00:04] <Ddpbf> hi damjan
[00:04] <damjan> hi
[00:04] <sladen> Default:  ƨƨ̄́    Russian: (no overrides)   Serbian: override ƨ̄    Macedonian: override  ƨ̄
[00:04] <Ddpbf> или здраво ако знаш српски
[00:09] <sladen> Default:  ƨƨ̄́    Russian: (no overrides) == ƨƨ̄́   Serbian: override ƨ̄ == ƨ̄ƨ̄́   Macedonian: override  ƨ̄ == ƨ̄ƨ̄́
[00:09] <sladen> so Serbian and Macedonian == the same in this cacse
[00:09] <sladen> case
[00:10] <Ddpbf> Yes (in case of Serbian)
[00:10] <sladen> damjan: and for Macedonian, is that correct?
[00:11] <damjan> sladen: yes, for ƨ̄
[00:11] <damjan> in serbian they don't use the other one
[00:11] <damjan> sladen: but they look the same
[00:15] <Ddpbf> damjan: he know it, but he asks it from developer perspective (Russians does not have ђ/ѓ at all) :)
[00:15] <Ddpbf> Serbian language has override ie bar
[00:15] <Ddpbf> so as Macedonian
[00:16]  * sladen is tempted to suggest that the form should always be  ѓ should be г and '  (even if it's not used in a particular language)
[00:16] <Ddpbf> Russians and Serbs do not have letter wit acute
[00:16] <Ddpbf> sladen it is acute i believe
[00:16] <Ddpbf> ´
[00:17] <Ddpbf> in ѓ
[00:17] <sladen> yes
[00:17] <sladen> Ddpbf: yes.  I know that /some/ languages do not use a particular letter
[00:18] <sladen> Ddpbf: but that's not a reason to *exclude* that letter.  People frequently type words from multiple languages in the same sentence
[00:18] <damjan> makes sense
[00:19] <Ddpbf> damjan: what macedonian г looks like
[00:19] <Ddpbf> like s or i
[00:19] <damjan> I'd say more like i
[00:19] <damjan> it's definitely not curvy as the s
[00:20] <damjan> but does have a small ligature(?)
[00:21] <sladen> serif
[00:22] <damjan> serif, right
[00:23] <sladen> if both 'i' and 's' are the wrong shapes, do we need to go and design something in the middle?
[00:27] <damjan> can you propose something?
[00:27] <Ddpbf> sladed
[00:27] <Ddpbf> sladen: there is another problem
[00:28] <Ddpbf> serbian and i thin macedonian also
[00:28] <Ddpbf> П and Т looks different than russian
[00:28] <Ddpbf> russsian are like latin n and m
[00:28] <damjan> Ddpbf: afaik that's already fixed
[00:28] <Ddpbf> is that?
[00:29] <Ddpbf> i am on arch, and have relly old version of ubuntu font
[00:29] <Ddpbf> copied sorry
[00:29] <Ddpbf> i guess i ll need to boot my kubuntu machine
[00:29] <damjan> Ddpbf: I'm on arch too
[00:29] <damjan> pango-view --font="Ubuntu Italic 24px" --text="б в г д ѓ п т з к ѐ ѝ" --language=mk
[00:29] <Ddpbf> lol
[00:31] <damjan> sladen: the style of the Ubuntu font is a bit like techical drawing/writing
[00:31] <damjan> sladen: so, the i style for г seems ok in that context
[00:32] <damjan> sladen: when I compare the cyrillic k for ex. it's very straight without serifs
[00:33] <damjan> in a truly cursive font it would be more curvy
[00:35] <Ddpbf> ppl, have to go to take some sleap, feel like home on our channel, sladen if you have more doubts you could contact me here https://launchpad.net/~dalibor
[00:35] <Ddpbf> night
[00:36] <sladen> thanks to both of you
[00:37] <damjan> sladen: would you like me to ask someone to draw it?
[00:38] <sladen> damjan: the two main questions see it be  'i'-like, or 's'-like.  And bar, or no-bar
[00:38] <damjan> macedonian: bar 100% no questions there
[00:39] <damjan> for the ubuntu font, I'm much more inclined that the i-like style fits
[00:39] <damjan> the s-like doesn't fit for sure
[00:39] <sladen> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/06/%23ubuntu-rs.html#t23:27  <--- that's the earlier conversion
[05:14] <joostvb> добро јутро
[09:13] <Beretta021> jutro
[09:13] <bojce> pozdrav
[09:24] <Beretta021> brb
[10:59] <olujicz> toliko sam se maltretirao da bih skontao da je modul usblp pokvaren za moj štampaš
[11:00] <olujicz> kada sam priključio preko seriala proradilo
[11:03] <olujicz> još kada bi stoka iz cannon rešila da pravi drajvere za skener
[11:20] <nikolam> olujicz, canon je stoka jer stampace sa skenerima cini neupotrebljiim hardverski ako nemaju pune kertridze.
[11:20] <nikolam> itd itd. canon je generalno samo zbog toga za zaobilazenje.
[11:22] <phlogisto> zato meni skener ne radi, ni nista
[11:23] <phlogisto> dobro da znam
[11:24] <olujicz> nije mi štampaš sa skenereom
[11:25] <promis> canon za fotoaparate, a hp za štampače. Ne obrnuto. ;)
[11:25] <olujicz> štampač mi je epson
[11:26] <olujicz> fino radi, samo mi je oštećen ovaj cilindar ili kako se već zove
[11:26] <olujicz> to verovatno može i da se zameni, ali oštećenje je malo tako da nije strašno
[11:50] <nikolam> imam jedan canon mp160 sa skenerom, skoro nov, ako neko hoce da kupi,
[11:51] <nikolam> samo nemam pune kertridze (i nemam nameru da ih kupujem)
[11:56] <Anpu> offtopic >> /j #ubuntu-rs-offtopic
[12:08] <nikolam> Anpu, jos nije definitivno da je "offtopic" donro ime za taj kanal. -vanteme -razno itd. Uostalom podrska za stampace i snekenre JESTE u temi...
[12:09] <Anpu> [12:50] <nikolam> imam jedan canon mp160 sa skenerom, skoro nov, ako neko hoce da kupi -> ne vidim kakva ti ovde podrska treba. za prodaju?
[12:09] <Anpu> za prodaju imas forum pijaca
[12:09] <nikolam> Anpu, ma sta me se tice, sta tis neki cistunas
[12:09] <Anpu> a kako se zove kanal, za sada se zove kako se zove
[12:09] <nikolam> imam iskustvo sa canonom
[12:10] <Anpu> cestitam
[12:10] <nikolam> pa niko nije birao kako se zove.
[12:10] <Anpu> birano je, na admin kanalu ;)
[12:11] <nikolam> mhm. zajednica <> admin kanal
[12:11] <Anpu> mhm pravimo se sad malo pametni, jel? :)
[12:12] <Anpu> u svakom slucaju, /j #ubuntu-rs-offtopic za temu o prodaji
[12:32] <nikolam> smao da napomenem da sam i sam besneo ranije kad se ode mnogo u pricu van teme.
[12:32] <nikolam> ALI sada mislim da ne treba preterivati sa forsiranjem mnogo u i van teme, jer to se u nesigutnim rukama pretvar au orudje za trolovanje.
[12:33] <nikolam> Samo lagano i po nekad napomenuti ako se bas mora. (na primer priprema krastavaca za zimu teme itd)
[12:33] <nikolam> misljenja sam da nema jos uvek toliko ljudi koliko moze biti.
[12:35] <nikolam> ok, tol'ko. :)
[12:41] <Anpu> novi kanal je probna mera u pokusaju da se smanji kolicina spama na zvanicnom kanalu za podrsku
[12:41] <Anpu> tako da.. cisto pravilo,nista licno ;)
[12:42] <Atlantic777> ojha!
[12:42] <Anpu> des
[12:42] <nikolam> Anpu, pa nikog nije niko pitao za misljenje o tome
[12:42] <nikolam> i pravilo postoji ako je striktno a ne ako se razvlaci kao zvaka
[12:43] <Anpu> pitali smo LoCo centralu i odobrili su novi kanal
[12:43] <nikolam> Anpu, pocinjem da mi se ne svidja pravilo ako ga sprovodi neko kome je Al kapone uzor :)
[12:43] <nikolam> Anpu, al niste pitali zajednicu kako bi zelela da se kanal zove
[12:44]  * nikolam gone with da winda
[12:44] <Ddpbf> sladen: ping
[12:44] <fb0x> sta nije u redu sa Al kapone ? o_O
[12:45] <Anpu> nikolam: u slucaju da imate problema sa nekim od moderatora, mozete poslati poruku administratorima
[12:45] <Anpu> ja nisam primetio ovde al kaponeovce ali drzacu oci sirom otvorene
[12:45] <nikolam> nemoj ti meni da persiras decko, Anpu
[12:46] <nikolam> Al je bio kriminalac?
[12:46] <nikolam> i niko ti ne trazi da drzis sirom oci otvorene..
[12:46] <nikolam> :)
[12:46] <Anpu> iskreno ne znam da li ovde neko ima krivicni dosije, i ne zanima me :)
[12:46] <nikolam> Anpu, nemo se pravi sglup :)
[12:46] <Ddpbf> nikolam: полако
[12:46]  * nikolam el mogu ja sad da odem
[12:47] <Ddpbf> можеш
[12:47] <Anpu> glup?
[12:49] <Atlantic777> nikolam: hajde još jednom, raspravu o Al kaponeu možemo da vodimo na #ubuntu-rs-offtopic, a ovo je kanal podrške. Zvaničan, vodi se zapisnik od strane Canonicala i moramo se pridržavati.
[12:49] <Ddpbf> да ли се сладен оглашавао од јутрос?
[12:49] <Ddpbf> тек синоћ су македонци покренули буб
[12:49] <Ddpbf> *бубу да наше и њихово мало писано г
[12:49] <Ddpbf> има цртицу
[12:50] <Ddpbf> руско нема, провјерио сам са лингивтима
[12:50] <Ddpbf> наше има цртицу и обло је
[12:50] <Ddpbf> значи подсјећа на s
[12:59] <sladen> Ddpbf: morning
[13:01] <Ddpbf> morning
[15:59] <liti> dobro vece
[15:59] <fb0x> dobro vece
[16:00] <liti> toliko tema za ovaj irc klijent ali sve radi posle restarta :(
[16:01] <Ddpbf> Anpu:
[16:01] <fb0x> mislio je na irssi
[16:01] <fb0x> valjda
[16:01] <fb0x> xD
[16:23] <Atlantic777> liti: imaš li kakvih problema s ircom?
[16:24] <fb0x> izgleda
[16:24] <liti> lol
[16:24] <liti> ne bas
[16:24] <fb0x> koji irc client je u pitanju?
[16:24] <fb0x> pa menjas teme
[16:24] <liti> irssi za apple :)
[16:24] <fb0x> znaci irssi xD
[16:24] <liti> aha
[16:24] <fb0x> ja mislim da ne moras stalno da ga restartujes
[16:25] <liti> :P
[16:25] <liti> set theme ne moze da promeni difolt temu
[16:25] <liti> mada kaze da je promenio
[16:26] <fb0x> kako ne ne moze?
[16:26] <liti> lepo
[16:26] <fb0x> jel si probao /reload
[16:26] <liti> macintosh
[16:26] <liti> otkud znam
[16:26] <liti> da znam ne bi pokusavao sa restartom
[16:26] <liti> jesam
[16:27] <liti> moram do prodavnice po cigare, brb
[16:54] <liti> test test test
[16:54] <liti> test
[16:54] <liti> lol
[16:57] <liti> test
[16:57] <liti> ah evo promene lol
[16:59] <liti> tst
[20:23] <Atlantic777> http://blog.b92.net/text/19282/Novi-cirilicni-fontovi/