| L-----D | Hi, I just join the launchpad project, but I'm not very clear what the project goal is | 00:45 |
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| MrChrisDruif | L-----D; the ultimate goal of the project is getting Ubuntu with a nice interface on TV's =) | 01:06 |
| MrChrisDruif | However, currently we're just creating and discussing mock-ups for the interface | 01:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | As you can see in the topic we've also got a feature list and a nice wiki page with some more (helpful*) information (*=I hope it's helpful at least) | 01:07 |
| L-----D | MrChrisDruif, hi I've go through that | 01:08 |
| L-----D | But I'm not clear about the architecture design | 01:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ow, I forgot; Aloha | 01:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Architecture design? | 01:08 |
| L-----D | see, the feature list is just some common things which every TV OSs will have | 01:09 |
| MrChrisDruif | Will have? | 01:09 |
| MrChrisDruif | I hope so, but currently not all features are provided by TV's | 01:10 |
| L-----D | already have ;D | 01:10 |
| L-----D | yes, I mean some media center system, like XBMC GeeXBOX MediaPortal Google TV Apple TV | 01:10 |
| L-----D | such | 01:11 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ah, like that. Well that's all fine and dandy of course...but how many settop-boxes or TV come with these features? | 01:11 |
| MrChrisDruif | But besides software we're also thinking about the hardware side of it | 01:13 |
| L-----D | like runing on x86 system or arm system? | 01:13 |
| MrChrisDruif | "I" think ARM, but don't abandon x86(_64) just yet | 01:14 |
| L-----D | well, I'm tring to develop a UPnP/DLNA media server (and beyond that) | 01:16 |
| L-----D | I've tested most MediaCenter system I mentioned before | 01:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | And what can you tell us about them? | 01:16 |
| L-----D | One thing I'd like to say is, you may want a Client-Server design | 01:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | In terms of server storage? | 01:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | I don't get your drift I think =) | 01:17 |
| L-----D | like at this : http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/2_MEDIAPORTAL_2/Contribute/Development/2_Architecture | 01:19 |
| L-----D | a center server will not only act as a media storage server, sync user information, but also expands the future implemntion | 01:22 |
| MrChrisDruif | L-----D; I understand your standing in it, but we can't force people to buy/run a server if they only want a TV | 01:24 |
| L-----D | yes, I agree, you can make it either standalone or client | 01:24 |
| L-----D | but think about the home automation (you've already mention is the list) | 01:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | But would it be possible to "easily" move the server part to a server? | 01:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | I added it ;-) | 01:25 |
| L-----D | you mean move to the cloud | 01:26 |
| MrChrisDruif | No, I mean this scenario: people buy a tv with UbuntuTV pre-installed (woohoo, yeah!) but have (or buy later) a server to expand usage of the TV | 01:27 |
| MrChrisDruif | (Does this make any sense?) | 01:27 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anyhow, they naturally want to move the server-side of UTV to the UServer...can this be done easily? | 01:28 |
| L-----D | if people only have a UbuntuTV, some functions will certainly not possible, like I can have a asterisk on my server side | 01:35 |
| L-----D | you can deside which function belong to server or client, there maybe some overlap like Watch/Record TV | 01:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | Asterisk is a full-time app I believe? Serving like a callcenter right? | 01:36 |
| L-----D | yeah, you can tunel your phone call to your TV through SIP (or something else) I believe | 01:37 |
| L-----D | some fulltime/heavy service should reside on server, like most home automation functions | 01:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | Indeed, I envisioned it more like an client-side app | 01:38 |
| L-----D | MS also have a Windows Home Server, I believe they alreay have good plan for it | 01:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | Controlling the server through a nice GUI on the TV | 01:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | They had a good plan for it...last thing I heard wasn't very positive | 01:39 |
| L-----D | maybe not, because they don't have Jobs ;D | 01:40 |
| L-----D | MrChrisDruif, are you wokring for the Ubuntu Company | 01:40 |
| MrChrisDruif | I wish, but I don't have the knowledge/skills for it. | 01:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | Heck, I'm not even an Ubuntu Member | 01:41 |
| L-----D | so is this project supported offically by Ubuntu | 01:45 |
| tgm4883 | I believe the current idea is that any sort of sync would be done though U1, storage is a completely separate issue that could be U1, SMB/NFS shares, etc | 01:45 |
| tgm4883 | L-----D, define "supported officially" | 01:46 |
| L-----D | U1 means UbuntuTV 1st realease? | 01:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | No, it means Ubuntu One | 01:46 |
| L-----D | OK | 01:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | The file-syncing app/service of Ubuntu | 01:47 |
| L-----D | tgm4883, once this project is widely used, it may need a special package/app source to install apps designed to runing on TV | 01:48 |
| L-----D | tgm4883, I think the same thing applied to Ubuntu Phone | 01:48 |
| tgm4883 | L-----D, that is something we've already discussed and may have a solution for | 01:49 |
| L-----D | Ok | 01:49 |
| L-----D | and there some products fork from XBMC, you want to build it from ground or what | 01:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | L-----D; we've never said (well, we've said it but quickly moved away from it) that we wanted to build from scratch | 01:53 |
| tgm4883 | L-----D, there isn't a concensus on that yet, but the leaning of the room is toward making it Unity based | 01:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; it'll be Unity based, but what software we could use is in discussion =) | 01:54 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, wouldn't we be using Unity if it was Unity based? | 01:55 |
| tgm4883 | I think thats the point of the word 'based' ;) | 01:55 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, Unity is the dash/DE. The software that makes the recording, the software that controls your Home Automation etc...is that Unity? | 01:56 |
| tgm4883 | ah I see | 01:57 |
| tgm4883 | No, it would be a Unity HA plugin to some HA backend | 01:57 |
| tgm4883 | it would feel like unity though to the user | 01:57 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well...I'm not sure current Unity is a good 10' (3m) interface for TV =) | 01:59 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: current Unity isn't | 02:00 |
| mhall119 | that's why we have this channel and the over-arching project | 02:00 |
| mhall119 | to make it a good 10' interface | 02:00 |
| MrChrisDruif | But how can we change Unity without it affecting it for "normal" Desktop usage? | 02:01 |
| mhall119 | that's the question we're trying to answerr | 02:01 |
| mhall119 | it won't be 100% identical, but if we can keep it 90% identical we'll have succeeded | 02:02 |
| mhall119 | I would imagine a lot of the UX changes that get proposed for uTV will also improve the UX of desktop Unity | 02:02 |
| mhall119 | same with uPhone | 02:02 |
| imnichol | One of the benefits of using different repos would be that we could point UTV at a repo with a modified version of Unity, so we don't need to worry about having everything be identical between unity desktop and unity TV packages | 02:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | I think our goal should be making it look like Unity (with the added features/restrictions) or at least as in integrated part of Unity, but not basing it off of Unity | 02:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | BRB | 02:04 |
| mhall119 | imnichol: probably there will be one package of Unity, but a runtime option or simply different set of default configurations to make it work better for TV | 02:04 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: here's how I've been working: | 02:04 |
| mhall119 | 1) Identify what parts of desktop Unity already work for TV | 02:05 |
| imnichol | mhall119, Why do you think that? | 02:05 |
| mhall119 | 2) Of the parts that don't work, how can they be made to work | 02:05 |
| mhall119 | 3) Of those changes, which ones make sense to put back into desktop Unity | 02:05 |
| mhall119 | imnichol: less maintenance work for the developers | 02:05 |
| mhall119 | imnichol: it might be one -common package with 99% of Unity, and separate -tv-config package for the TV specific configurations | 02:06 |
| imnichol | That's what I've been thinking | 02:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, back | 02:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Now in jammies | 02:09 |
| MrChrisDruif | That is indeed a good starting point MrChrisDruif =) | 02:10 |
| * mhall119 always thinks better in PJs | 02:11 | |
| MrChrisDruif | Let | 02:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | s use these PJs what there meant for =P | 02:51 |
| mhall119 | I'm not that kind of guy, plus I'm married | 03:09 |
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