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L-----DHi, I just join the launchpad project, but I'm not very clear what the project goal is00:45
MrChrisDruifL-----D; the ultimate goal of the project is getting Ubuntu with a nice interface on TV's =)01:06
MrChrisDruifHowever, currently we're just creating and discussing mock-ups for the interface01:07
MrChrisDruifAs you can see in the topic we've also got a feature list and a nice wiki page with some more (helpful*) information (*=I hope it's helpful at least)01:07
L-----DMrChrisDruif,  hi I've go through that01:08
L-----DBut I'm not clear about the architecture design01:08
MrChrisDruifOw, I forgot; Aloha01:08
MrChrisDruifArchitecture design?01:08
L-----Dsee, the feature list is just some common things which every TV OSs will have01:09
MrChrisDruifWill have?01:09
MrChrisDruifI hope so, but currently not all features are provided by TV's01:10
L-----Dalready have ;D01:10
L-----Dyes, I mean some media center system, like XBMC GeeXBOX MediaPortal Google TV Apple TV01:10
L-----Dsuch01:11
MrChrisDruifAh, like that. Well that's all fine and dandy of course...but how many settop-boxes or TV come with these features?01:11
MrChrisDruifBut besides software we're also thinking about the hardware side of it01:13
L-----Dlike runing on x86 system or arm system?01:13
MrChrisDruif"I" think ARM, but don't abandon x86(_64) just yet01:14
L-----Dwell, I'm tring to develop a UPnP/DLNA media server (and beyond that)01:16
L-----DI've tested most MediaCenter system I mentioned before01:16
MrChrisDruifAnd what can you tell us about them?01:16
L-----DOne thing I'd like to say is, you may want a Client-Server design01:16
MrChrisDruifIn terms of server storage?01:17
MrChrisDruifI don't get your drift I think =)01:17
L-----Dlike at this : http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/2_MEDIAPORTAL_2/Contribute/Development/2_Architecture01:19
L-----Da center server will not only act as a media storage server, sync user information, but also expands the future implemntion01:22
MrChrisDruifL-----D; I understand your standing in it, but we can't force people to buy/run a server if they only want a TV01:24
L-----Dyes, I agree,  you can make it either standalone or client01:24
L-----Dbut think about the home automation (you've already mention is the list)01:25
MrChrisDruifBut would it be possible to "easily" move the server part to a server?01:25
MrChrisDruifI added it ;-)01:25
L-----Dyou mean move to the cloud01:26
MrChrisDruifNo, I mean this scenario: people buy a tv with UbuntuTV pre-installed (woohoo, yeah!) but have (or buy later) a server to expand usage of the TV01:27
MrChrisDruif(Does this make any sense?)01:27
MrChrisDruifAnyhow, they naturally want to move the server-side of UTV to the UServer...can this be done easily?01:28
L-----Dif people only have a UbuntuTV, some functions will certainly not possible, like I can have a asterisk on my server side01:35
L-----Dyou can deside which function belong to server or client, there maybe some overlap like Watch/Record TV01:36
MrChrisDruifAsterisk is a full-time app I believe? Serving like a callcenter right?01:36
L-----Dyeah, you can tunel your phone call to your TV through SIP (or something else) I believe01:37
L-----Dsome fulltime/heavy service should reside on server, like most home automation functions01:38
MrChrisDruifIndeed, I envisioned it more like an client-side app01:38
L-----DMS also have a Windows Home Server, I believe they alreay have good plan for it01:38
MrChrisDruifControlling the server through a nice GUI on the TV01:38
MrChrisDruifThey had a good plan for it...last thing I heard wasn't very positive01:39
L-----Dmaybe not, because they don't have Jobs ;D01:40
L-----DMrChrisDruif, are you wokring for the Ubuntu Company01:40
MrChrisDruifI wish, but I don't have the knowledge/skills for it.01:41
MrChrisDruifHeck, I'm not even an Ubuntu Member01:41
L-----Dso is this project supported offically by Ubuntu01:45
tgm4883I believe the current idea is that any sort of sync would be done though U1, storage is a completely separate issue that could be U1, SMB/NFS shares, etc01:45
tgm4883L-----D, define "supported officially"01:46
L-----DU1 means UbuntuTV 1st realease?01:46
MrChrisDruifNo, it means Ubuntu One01:46
L-----DOK01:46
MrChrisDruifThe file-syncing app/service of Ubuntu01:47
L-----Dtgm4883, once this project is widely used, it may need a special package/app source to install apps designed to runing on TV01:48
L-----Dtgm4883, I think the same thing applied to Ubuntu Phone01:48
tgm4883L-----D, that is something we've already discussed and may have a solution for01:49
L-----DOk01:49
L-----Dand there some products fork from XBMC, you want to build it from ground or what01:51
MrChrisDruifL-----D; we've never said (well, we've said it but quickly moved away from it) that we wanted to build from scratch01:53
tgm4883L-----D, there isn't a concensus on that yet, but the leaning of the room is toward making it Unity based01:54
MrChrisDruiftgm4883; it'll be Unity based, but what software we could use is in discussion =)01:54
tgm4883MrChrisDruif, wouldn't we be using Unity if it was Unity based?01:55
tgm4883I think thats the point of the word 'based' ;)01:55
MrChrisDruifWell, Unity is the dash/DE. The software that makes the recording, the software that controls your Home Automation etc...is that Unity?01:56
tgm4883ah I see01:57
tgm4883No, it would be a Unity HA plugin  to some HA backend01:57
tgm4883it would feel like unity though to the user01:57
MrChrisDruifWell...I'm not sure current Unity is a good 10' (3m) interface for TV =)01:59
mhall119MrChrisDruif: current Unity isn't02:00
mhall119that's why we have this channel and the over-arching project02:00
mhall119to make it a good 10' interface02:00
MrChrisDruifBut how can we change Unity without it affecting it for "normal" Desktop usage?02:01
mhall119that's the question we're trying to answerr02:01
mhall119it won't be 100% identical, but if we can keep it 90% identical we'll have succeeded02:02
mhall119I would imagine a lot of the UX changes that get proposed for uTV will also improve the UX of desktop Unity02:02
mhall119same with uPhone02:02
imnicholOne of the benefits of using different repos would be that we could point UTV at a repo with a modified version of Unity, so we don't need to worry about having everything be identical between unity desktop and unity TV packages02:03
MrChrisDruifI think our goal should be making it look like Unity (with the added features/restrictions) or at least as in integrated part of Unity, but not basing it off of Unity02:03
MrChrisDruifBRB02:04
mhall119imnichol: probably there will be one package of Unity, but a runtime option or simply different set of default configurations to make it work better for TV02:04
mhall119MrChrisDruif: here's how I've been working:02:04
mhall1191) Identify what parts of desktop Unity already work for TV02:05
imnicholmhall119, Why do you think that?02:05
mhall1192) Of the parts that don't work, how can they be made to work02:05
mhall1193) Of those changes, which ones make sense to put back into desktop Unity02:05
mhall119imnichol: less maintenance work for the developers02:05
mhall119imnichol: it might be one -common package with 99% of Unity, and separate -tv-config package for the TV specific configurations02:06
imnicholThat's what I've been thinking02:07
MrChrisDruifAlright, back02:08
MrChrisDruifNow in jammies02:09
MrChrisDruifThat is indeed a good starting point MrChrisDruif =)02:10
* mhall119 always thinks better in PJs02:11
MrChrisDruifLet02:51
MrChrisDruifs use these PJs what there meant for =P02:51
mhall119I'm not that kind of guy, plus I'm married03:09
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