[00:45] Hi, I just join the launchpad project, but I'm not very clear what the project goal is [01:06] L-----D; the ultimate goal of the project is getting Ubuntu with a nice interface on TV's =) [01:07] However, currently we're just creating and discussing mock-ups for the interface [01:07] As you can see in the topic we've also got a feature list and a nice wiki page with some more (helpful*) information (*=I hope it's helpful at least) [01:08] MrChrisDruif, hi I've go through that [01:08] But I'm not clear about the architecture design [01:08] Ow, I forgot; Aloha [01:08] Architecture design? [01:09] see, the feature list is just some common things which every TV OSs will have [01:09] Will have? [01:10] I hope so, but currently not all features are provided by TV's [01:10] already have ;D [01:10] yes, I mean some media center system, like XBMC GeeXBOX MediaPortal Google TV Apple TV [01:11] such [01:11] Ah, like that. Well that's all fine and dandy of course...but how many settop-boxes or TV come with these features? [01:13] But besides software we're also thinking about the hardware side of it [01:13] like runing on x86 system or arm system? [01:14] "I" think ARM, but don't abandon x86(_64) just yet [01:16] well, I'm tring to develop a UPnP/DLNA media server (and beyond that) [01:16] I've tested most MediaCenter system I mentioned before [01:16] And what can you tell us about them? [01:16] One thing I'd like to say is, you may want a Client-Server design [01:17] In terms of server storage? [01:17] I don't get your drift I think =) [01:19] like at this : http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/2_MEDIAPORTAL_2/Contribute/Development/2_Architecture [01:22] a center server will not only act as a media storage server, sync user information, but also expands the future implemntion [01:24] L-----D; I understand your standing in it, but we can't force people to buy/run a server if they only want a TV [01:24] yes, I agree, you can make it either standalone or client [01:25] but think about the home automation (you've already mention is the list) [01:25] But would it be possible to "easily" move the server part to a server? [01:25] I added it ;-) [01:26] you mean move to the cloud [01:27] No, I mean this scenario: people buy a tv with UbuntuTV pre-installed (woohoo, yeah!) but have (or buy later) a server to expand usage of the TV [01:27] (Does this make any sense?) [01:28] Anyhow, they naturally want to move the server-side of UTV to the UServer...can this be done easily? [01:35] if people only have a UbuntuTV, some functions will certainly not possible, like I can have a asterisk on my server side [01:36] you can deside which function belong to server or client, there maybe some overlap like Watch/Record TV [01:36] Asterisk is a full-time app I believe? Serving like a callcenter right? [01:37] yeah, you can tunel your phone call to your TV through SIP (or something else) I believe [01:38] some fulltime/heavy service should reside on server, like most home automation functions [01:38] Indeed, I envisioned it more like an client-side app [01:38] MS also have a Windows Home Server, I believe they alreay have good plan for it [01:38] Controlling the server through a nice GUI on the TV [01:39] They had a good plan for it...last thing I heard wasn't very positive [01:40] maybe not, because they don't have Jobs ;D [01:40] MrChrisDruif, are you wokring for the Ubuntu Company [01:41] I wish, but I don't have the knowledge/skills for it. [01:41] Heck, I'm not even an Ubuntu Member [01:45] so is this project supported offically by Ubuntu [01:45] I believe the current idea is that any sort of sync would be done though U1, storage is a completely separate issue that could be U1, SMB/NFS shares, etc [01:46] L-----D, define "supported officially" [01:46] U1 means UbuntuTV 1st realease? [01:46] No, it means Ubuntu One [01:46] OK [01:47] The file-syncing app/service of Ubuntu [01:48] tgm4883, once this project is widely used, it may need a special package/app source to install apps designed to runing on TV [01:48] tgm4883, I think the same thing applied to Ubuntu Phone [01:49] L-----D, that is something we've already discussed and may have a solution for [01:49] Ok [01:51] and there some products fork from XBMC, you want to build it from ground or what [01:53] L-----D; we've never said (well, we've said it but quickly moved away from it) that we wanted to build from scratch [01:54] L-----D, there isn't a concensus on that yet, but the leaning of the room is toward making it Unity based [01:54] tgm4883; it'll be Unity based, but what software we could use is in discussion =) [01:55] MrChrisDruif, wouldn't we be using Unity if it was Unity based? [01:55] I think thats the point of the word 'based' ;) [01:56] Well, Unity is the dash/DE. The software that makes the recording, the software that controls your Home Automation etc...is that Unity? [01:57] ah I see [01:57] No, it would be a Unity HA plugin to some HA backend [01:57] it would feel like unity though to the user [01:59] Well...I'm not sure current Unity is a good 10' (3m) interface for TV =) [02:00] MrChrisDruif: current Unity isn't [02:00] that's why we have this channel and the over-arching project [02:00] to make it a good 10' interface [02:01] But how can we change Unity without it affecting it for "normal" Desktop usage? [02:01] that's the question we're trying to answerr [02:02] it won't be 100% identical, but if we can keep it 90% identical we'll have succeeded [02:02] I would imagine a lot of the UX changes that get proposed for uTV will also improve the UX of desktop Unity [02:02] same with uPhone [02:03] One of the benefits of using different repos would be that we could point UTV at a repo with a modified version of Unity, so we don't need to worry about having everything be identical between unity desktop and unity TV packages [02:03] I think our goal should be making it look like Unity (with the added features/restrictions) or at least as in integrated part of Unity, but not basing it off of Unity [02:04] BRB [02:04] imnichol: probably there will be one package of Unity, but a runtime option or simply different set of default configurations to make it work better for TV [02:04] MrChrisDruif: here's how I've been working: [02:05] 1) Identify what parts of desktop Unity already work for TV [02:05] mhall119, Why do you think that? [02:05] 2) Of the parts that don't work, how can they be made to work [02:05] 3) Of those changes, which ones make sense to put back into desktop Unity [02:05] imnichol: less maintenance work for the developers [02:06] imnichol: it might be one -common package with 99% of Unity, and separate -tv-config package for the TV specific configurations [02:07] That's what I've been thinking [02:08] Alright, back [02:09] Now in jammies [02:10] That is indeed a good starting point MrChrisDruif =) [02:11] * mhall119 always thinks better in PJs [02:51] Let [02:51] s use these PJs what there meant for =P [03:09] I'm not that kind of guy, plus I'm married === me is now known as Guest23285