[00:02] <funkyHat> monsterwizard: I'm good at pretending I'm clever, if that's what you mean
[00:02] <monsterwizard> hmmm
[00:17] <daftykins> xbox live update is back on \o/
[01:19] <monsterwizard> anyone from the UK doing a degree here?
[01:26] <funkyHat> monsterwizard: I am ⢁)
[01:26] <monsterwizard> is 60% a 2.1 ?
[01:27] <funkyHat> It depends on the university, but that sounds like it's probably about right
[01:27] <monsterwizard> awesome
[01:29] <monsterwizard> why is it so hard to find the bloody information on this
[01:31] <funkyHat> monsterwizard: ask your course leaders? ⢁)
[01:31] <monsterwizard> fuck em
[01:31] <monsterwizard> oops
[01:31] <monsterwizard> sorry
[01:41] <dutchie> monsterwizard: 60% is the lower boundary for a 2:1 for me
[01:41] <monsterwizard> ok
[01:42] <monsterwizard> dutchie if you get low 2.1s thoughout
[01:42] <monsterwizard> can you still get a 2.1 overall ?
[01:42] <monsterwizard> generally
[01:42] <dutchie> this is all going to depend very much on your course
[01:42] <dutchie> but i'd say yes
[01:42] <dutchie> if you consistently get a 2:1, and end up with something other than 2:1 i'd be surprised
[02:19] <daftykins> just do epically every now and then to surprise everyone
[02:19] <daftykins> then you'd deffo hold onto a 2:1
[08:31] <DGJones> Morning all
[08:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:54] <christel> good morning
[08:58] <daubers> Morning
[09:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:07] <danfish> ahoy hoy!
[09:16] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[09:16] <Twinkletoes> Yo
[09:20] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski how are you?
[09:20] <Twinkletoes> I'm not having much success with IP forwarding for this gateway machine.  "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" contains 1, but from a test machine, I can only ping as far as the second (furthest) NIC.  Anything after that doesn't work
[09:20] <czajkowski> MooDoo: not too mad, no sign of Davmor2 these days
[09:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah i've noticed that
[09:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski: not seen him on facebook either
[09:25] <czajkowski> odd
[09:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: retribution will be had :D
[09:27] <czajkowski> indeed
[09:35] <oimon> is there a way i can find out which host machine my VM is running on?
[09:40] <Twinkletoes> oimon: From within the VM itself?
[09:40] <oimon> Twinkletoes: yeah
[09:41] <Twinkletoes> oimon: What's your virtualization platform?
[09:41] <oimon> vmware esxi
[09:41] <Twinkletoes> oimon: I don't think you can... the whole idea behind virtualization is the OS has no idea of the underlying platform
[09:42] <oimon> i had a badly named vm and couldn't find which host it was running on. found it now, but rather annoying
[09:42] <shauno> cheap answer, but http://serverfault.com/questions/151176/which-esxi-server-is-a-vm-on
[09:44] <oimon> also vmware tools was not installed so i couldn't search by IP address
[09:44] <oimon> which would have been the easy way - list machine by IP in vsphere
[09:44] <Twinkletoes> oimon: Yeah
[09:44] <Twinkletoes> Right, my turn... I can't get ip forwarding to work properly.  I'm setting up a gateway machine (some network details here: http://pastebin.com/dzsyk29Z) but using a client machine on the 10.97.0.0 network, I can only ping the "furthest" nic on the gateway.  For anything beyond that (going onto the 192.168.2.0 network) I get no response.  Any ideas?
[09:47] <oimon> you want to do NAT or not?
[09:47] <Twinkletoes> oimon: Yes
[09:47] <Twinkletoes> oimon: Does it require iptables to complete?
[09:47] <oimon> the best way for networking issues is a draw a picture then share it.
[09:47] <oimon> iptables will do the NAT
[09:48] <shauno> fairly sure you still need iptables for the MASQ bits
[09:48] <oimon> http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html
[09:48] <oimon> fortunately it's not too hard :)
[09:48] <shauno> otherwise you should be able to ping, but won't receive the replies
[09:48] <Twinkletoes> oimon: I was following ufw rules yesterday but it still diodn't work... I try some more, thanks for the tips
[09:48] <Twinkletoes> shauno: That's what I'm getting
[09:49] <oimon> never tried ufw because iptables is what i've always used, and it's so powerful (and a bit brutal)
[09:50] <gord> hrm, there has been a system update for my nintendo 3ds that allows me to now record 3d video. morning ruined.
[10:02] <Twinkletoes> Thanks oimon / shauno, I followed the same process again (from scratch) with ufw and it now works, I obviously did a typo somewhere, but it's good to know that I need masquerading to make nat work
[10:02] <oimon> irc ftw :)
[10:15] <BigRedS> what's the modern and fashionable version of dpkg --get-selections etc?
[10:18] <popey> ah, i know this
[10:19]  * BigRedS waits, expectantly
[10:19]  * popey tries to find his notes
[10:19] <BigRedS> :)
[10:19] <BigRedS> aha
[10:21] <popey> !clone
[10:21] <popey> there you go ☺
[10:21] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2009/07/23/s02e09-the-dimensions-of-time/  found it as a comment there
[10:21] <NET||abuse> hmm, back to the grind stone, anyone know of a way i could easily get 11.10 server to run svn 1.5 instead of 1.6?
[10:22] <BigRedS> Oooh, ta!
[10:22] <shauno> heh, I couldn't remember the new magic.  I tried googling, and found a popey.com pointing to --get-selections
[10:22] <BigRedS> haha
[10:23] <Laney> i discovered dpkg-repack yesterday
[10:23] <Laney> pretty neato wheatos
[10:23]  * oimon looks forward to more u1 integration with packages and cloning
[10:24] <oimon> also wish gpodder had u1 integration too
[10:25] <oimon> who is a good online photo printing company that produces nice prints?
[10:25] <oimon> and good value?
[10:25] <BigRedS> Ah, that doesn't look like it preserves versions
[10:26] <BigRedS> which would be moot if this box was upgraded, but it's not been for some time :(
[10:26] <Laney> you can't guarantee that all of the versions you want will still be available on mirrors
[10:26] <BigRedS> no, but I'd like to see if they are
[10:26] <bigcalm> oimon: photobox has worked for me in the past
[10:28] <oimon> anyone notice that the price of CDs has risen a lot lately? used to be 7-8 quid, now 12-13 quid
[10:28] <gord> bigcalm, out of interest, do they do posters sizes?
[10:28] <oimon> i'm looking at truprint for posters etc
[10:28] <oimon> but thats what i grw up with - there must be cheaper ones out there
[10:29] <gord> i want some nice framed movie posters, real classy like, but you just can't get them online from somewhere that has any quality. generally they just take an image they found on google, with jpeg artefacts, then print that poorly
[10:30] <bigcalm> gord: no idea :)
[10:30] <bigcalm> http://amultiverse.com/2011/12/06/what-it-looks-like/ hehe
[10:30] <czajkowski> Instagram support 14 million users on Ubuntu Sever on EC2 http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/13649370142/what-powers-instagram-hundreds-of-instances-dozens-of
[10:32] <oimon> gord, maybe visit a poster fair or freshers week thing
[10:39]  * AlanBell is not entirely sure that movie posters count as classy
[10:39] <gord> depends on the poster, some are frankly, works of art
[10:39] <gord> whatever the poster is for that new adam sandler movie where he plays his own sister? maybe not
[10:42] <morpheous> #gnucash
[10:46] <oimon> attack of 50ft woman poster is a classic
[10:47] <bigcalm> Original not the remake one hopes
[10:47] <oimon> also, http://uk.movieposter.com/poster/A70-6911/Star_Wars.html
[10:48] <oimon> i have a jigsaw of this one: http://uk.movieposter.com/poster/A70-6912/Star_Wars.html
[11:10] <shauno> It's just occured to me that my fossy bug reports are more useful / detailed than internal ones :/
[11:17] <oimon> which gstreamer plugins allow aac/mp3 playback?
[11:18] <shauno> aac's codec used to be called faad.  I may be anywhere up to 7 years out of date with that, however
[11:20] <oimon> it's a minefield, trying to find this stuff out
[11:21]  * daubers ponders a book on Zigbee's
[11:21] <daubers> shauno: It was a bit of a fad
[11:22] <shauno> ;)  I still have libfaad2 in lucid
[11:24] <oimon> the machine in questions is RHEL comaptible
[11:33] <danfish> hah - was following a German forum post on getting reverse proxying of etherpad lite and apache going
[11:33] <danfish> clicked on the translate button in chrome
[11:34] <danfish> which promptly tried to germanise the example config file - swapping words around etc
[11:34] <daubers> "germanise"?
[11:34] <daubers> make it sound like something banned by the UN
[11:35] <danfish> daubers: heh - quite
[11:35] <shauno> trying to make apache's config grammatically correct probably should be banned
[11:35] <danfish> needless to say 'apache2 reload' didn't work too well
[11:36] <danfish> German is a very good language to swear in
[11:36] <Myrtti> nothing beats Finnish with the rolling R's
[11:38] <danfish> never heard finnish swearing
[11:38] <jussi> oooh, I could so post a video here...
[11:39] <oimon> gstreamer yglu plugin seems to be mp3
[11:39] <oimon> ugly
[11:41] <oimon> is there a country in the world where traffic lights are upside down ? green at top
[11:42] <gord> to confuse dogs?
[11:45] <oimon> just saw it on an otherwise accurate animation and wondered if it was true somewhere
[11:46] <gord> i think dogs driving is dangerous enough, there is really no need to do that just to confuse them
[11:47] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipperary_Hill#Green_over_red
[11:49] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_variations_in_traffic_light_signalling_and_operation
[11:50] <oimon> i found that tipperary one..seems to be rather unique then
[11:55] <oimon> almost bought myself an xbox by mistake when buying a CD...had been in my basket since a few days ago...woops
[11:55] <shauno> a likely excuse
[11:59] <oimon> i was pricing it up for my sister :-\
[12:00] <Myrtti> oo I wonder what apps are on sale on Android Market today
[12:00] <Myrtti> aw, not updated yet
[12:03] <oimon> is swiftkey better than swype?
[12:05] <oimon> i need to get android on my touchpad :(
[12:18] <DGJones> oimon, Not sure if its better, perhaps just different, I've not tried it though, I like swype
[12:19] <oimon> i have trouble upgrading swype DJones. it seems i lose my settings each time
[12:20] <DGJones> I just uninstall and rerun the swype installer, normally the settings stay the same, but the last update at the weekend did lose some settings
[12:20] <oimon> and then swype is crap for the next few weeks -
[12:22] <DGJones> There's not that many settings to fix, I think the only one I need to put right is the click sound that always seems to get enabled
[12:22] <oimon> user dict gets deleted
[12:22] <DGJones> I've never noticed that
[12:22] <oimon> and speed/accuracy get reset
[12:23] <oimon> and languages get added
[12:29] <directhex> swype installation is dreadful
[12:29] <directhex> but you're not their customer
[12:29] <directhex> samsung etc are swype customers, you're just a beta tester
[12:34] <Myrtti> well atleast there's Finnish now \o/ on the beta
[12:36]  * AlanBell won't make it to the happy hour tomorrow
[12:36] <oimon> directhex: it is very beta IME
[12:37] <directhex> oimon, swype is well past beta - except for the pre-alpha nonsense to get it installed & licensed
[12:37] <directhex> which you don't get on devices which ship with swype out of the box
[12:37] <danfish> AlanBell: /o\
[12:38] <AlanBell> yeah, customer wants me in basingstoke
[12:38] <AlanBell> did you settle on a pub?
[12:40] <danfish> AlanBell: yeah - the best pubs area fair walk from the station, so sticking with the Victoria - it a solid place
[12:40] <danfish> only 500m from station
[12:40] <AlanBell> ok
[12:40] <danfish> not expecting a big turnout, but a night out's a night out :)
[12:48] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/12/07/s04e21-dance-of-death/
[12:48] <popey> ☺
[12:50] <chrisjrob> popey should do an alternative version for those that listen live
[12:50] <chrisjrob> ;)
[12:54] <czajkowski> danfish: might pop along
[12:55] <danfish> czajkowski: yeah!
[13:07] <czajkowski> ☺
[13:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E21  Dance of Death - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/12/07/s04e21-dance-of-death/
[13:23]  * oimon spins up gpodder
[13:31] <Laney> COLD
[13:36] <oimon> windy
[13:38] <Laney> at least that is contained to the outside
[13:38]  * Laney is playing along with the quiz
[13:38] <popey> ☺
[13:39] <Laney> 1/2
[13:39] <oimon> windy inside here too :(
[13:39]  * Laney shelters underneath oimon 
[13:40] <gordonjcp> bit earlier on it was getting so dark that the streetlights came on
[13:40] <daz-1> Damn it's bloody cold...
[13:41]  * Laney lights a bin on fire
[13:41] <daz-1> <<<puts the heating on lol
[13:43] <daz-1> Boo!
[13:44] <daz-1> ok why so quiet??? Hmmm i wonder.
[13:45] <Laney> we all froze
[13:46] <dogmatic69> not to bad in the midlands
[13:46] <dogmatic69> was not even frosty this morning
[13:46] <daz-1> it was frosty where i am
[13:46] <daz-1> and im in the midlans
[13:46] <daz-1> midlands
[13:46] <dogmatic69> where abouts?
[13:47] <daz-1> brum
[13:47] <daz-1> you
[13:47] <dogmatic69> redditch home, leamington spa work
[13:47] <daz-1> ur over the road from me
[13:48] <daz-1> well about 6 or 7 mile
[13:48] <dogmatic69> was in solihull, just moved in with the gf
[13:48] <daz-1> solihull at the back of me
[13:48] <daz-1> well its nice 2 meet u dogmatic69
[13:49] <dogmatic69> same o/
[13:49] <dogmatic69> did not think there was anyone in here near by
[13:49] <daz-1> what ubuntu you using 11.10
[13:49] <daz-1> <<<<<11.04 me
[13:50] <daz-1> if ur using ubuntu that is
[13:50] <daz-1> lol
[13:51] <daz-1> well looks like im the closest to you dog
[13:51] <daz-1> lol
[13:51] <dogmatic69> 10.10
[13:51] <daz-1> i luv 10.10 awsome distro
[13:52] <daz-1> ive just installed 11.04 and installed massive loads of stuff its took me hours to do
[13:52] <daz-1> all i got 2 do now is some themes
[13:53] <hamitron> why 11.04?
[13:53] <dogmatic69> not sure if im sold on the new UI in 11
[13:54] <daz-1> well im not a lover of unity so im on 11.04 clasic gnome luv it
[13:54] <dogmatic69> gnome3 looks nice
[13:54] <daz-1> 2 be quite honest i hate unity
[13:54]  * hamitron hasn't looked yet
[13:54] <daz-1> cant get gnome 3 to work with my ati driver
[13:54] <dogmatic69> i used it in the netbook remix a while back, was not impressed.
[13:54] <daz-1> tried everything
[13:55] <daz-1> i even updated the driver to 11.11 still no good
[13:55] <daz-1> i do like gnome 3 tho
[13:55] <daz-1> its good
[13:56] <daz-1> shame i cant get it 2 work tho
[13:56] <hamitron> minor issue
[13:56] <monsterwizard> nevr gonna give you up
[13:56] <hamitron> ;)
[13:56] <monsterwizard> never onna let you down
[13:56] <daz-1> lol
[13:56] <daz-1> rick astley
[13:56] <daz-1> lol
[13:57] <daz-1> never gonna run around :)
[13:57] <daz-1> desert u
[13:57] <daz-1> lol
[13:57] <daz-1> god i must be bored
[13:57] <daz-1> :(
[13:58]  * oimon is learning how to play oblivion
[13:58] <daz-1> think i'll download a film?
[14:06]  * dogmatic69 just installed w3m :D
[14:07] <daz-1> hey dogmatic69...do you have a name i can call you?
[14:07] <daz-1> <<<<DAZ
[14:08] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69 :)
[14:08] <daz-1> cool
[14:08] <daz-1> ?
[14:15] <daz-1> installing games now...just picking them by random
[14:15] <daz-1> not sure about wots good and wots not
[14:16] <oimon> what sort of games u like?
[14:17] <oimon> there's good FPS shooters out there
[14:17] <daz-1> i realy dont mind any game..i will try any
[14:17] <oimon> sort by the review scores :)
[14:18] <daz-1> im getting the best and highest review one's
[14:18] <BigRedS> supertuxkart!
[14:18] <daz-1> got that
[14:18] <Azelphur> daz-1: HEDGE WARS. DO IT.
[14:18] <Azelphur> that is all.
[14:18] <daz-1> open arean just done
[14:19] <daz-1> arena
[14:19] <Azelphur> If you've ever played Worms, hedgewars is like worms but better
[14:19] <daz-1> i'll look at hedgewars now
[14:20] <Azelphur> FPS games, nexuiz is very popular, battle for wesnoth is also powerful
[14:20] <Azelphur> also popular*
[14:20] <hamitron> minecraft?
[14:20] <hamitron> ;)
[14:20] <Azelphur> are you after specifically open source/free (beer) games or do you does it only matter if it has native Linux compatibility?
[14:20] <Azelphur> is stuff that works flawlessly in wine an option?
[14:20] <daz-1> cant find hedgewars
[14:21] <daz-1> im installing  battle for wesnoth
[14:21] <oimon> hedgewars is there, also try tumiki fighters
[14:21] <hamitron> Azelphur, what weapons does hedgewars have?
[14:22] <daz-1> yes done hedgewars
[14:23] <Azelphur> hamitron: everything from portal guns to pianos.
[14:23] <hamitron> minigun and ninjarope?
[14:23] <oimon> urban terror is good too - might not be in software center? has great multiplayer online play
[14:23] <Azelphur> hamitron: yep
[14:23] <hamitron> :D
[14:24] <daz-1> ok need 2 get a coffee while these are installing
[14:35] <oimon> daz-1: if you have ATI problems, you could try the 11.10 live usb and see if it fixes the problem
[14:35] <oimon> try using the open source driver first,
[15:46] <oimon> can i get svn to send a mail upon a succesful commit?
[15:48] <bigcalm> svn ci && mail blah?
[15:50] <oimon> aka the "i'll do it , but others won't adhere to it" way
[15:50] <bigcalm> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7913/how-do-i-make-subversion-svn-send-email-on-checkins
[15:51] <oimon> thanks ,i'll check it out
[15:51] <oimon> quiet in here today
[15:52] <oimon> getting lots of frivolous issues coming in right now, it must be winding down to christmas
[15:54] <daz-1> cant wait till santa comes :)
[15:54] <daz-1> lol
[15:54] <oimon> i have some news for you
[15:54] <oimon> santa's dead
[15:55] <daz-1> no hes not
[15:55] <daz-1> lol
[15:55] <daz-1> hes gonna bring me a new woman for xmas
[15:55] <daz-1> :)
[16:27] <danfish> hmm. I swear I installed 32bit on this laptop last week
[16:28] <bigcalm> What's wrong with 64bit?
[16:30] <hamitron> pain compiling things for 2 different architectures?
[16:31] <bigcalm> I wouldn't have thought that was a problem unless you're a dev - people are there to make Ubuntu just work :)
[16:32] <hamitron> tbh, I personally see no point in running 64 bit on a machine where 32 bit "will do"
[16:32] <bigcalm> 32bit won't be around forever
[16:33] <bigcalm> Technically, neither will 64bit. But it'll out last many generations I think
[16:33]  * hamitron 's eyes fill up with that been said
[16:33] <hamitron> ;)
[16:33] <AlanBell> I see no point running 32 bit on a machine where 64bit is available
[16:33] <bigcalm> Ditto
[16:34] <hamitron> doesn't 64 bit software use more memory?
[16:34] <AlanBell> no, not really
[16:34] <bigcalm> Still kicking myself that my Revo has 32bit 10.04.3 on it. Clean install of 64bit 12.04 next year :)
[16:34] <hamitron> ah, I read it did
[16:34] <bigcalm> Do you believe everything you read?
[16:34] <hamitron> I am looking forward to 12.04, I'll be moving to 64 bit
[16:34] <hamitron> :)
[16:35] <hamitron> erm, maybe too much :/
[16:35] <bigcalm> Life is all about deception and lies - that's why we have alcohol :)
[16:36] <hamitron> but I've decided to stick with i586 optimised software for all machines with 2Gb or less memory here.... then jump everything upto x64 for the newer stuff
[16:36] <hamitron> :)
[16:37] <hamitron> beer <3
[16:37] <oimon> 64 bit isn't that special though
[16:38] <oimon> it's easier to use what you have in the rest of the enterprise
[16:38] <hamitron> aye
[16:39] <hamitron> also nice to "drop" old stuff less often
[16:40] <hamitron> I was finding ubuntu upgrades were forcing me to have different machines on different versions
[16:40] <hamitron> :/
[16:41] <oimon> it's a pain for me to support custom packages for multi arch, plus 64-bit and 32-bit access to matlab etc
[16:41] <hamitron> now I just have old on slackware, and will have new on ubuntu 12.04
[16:41] <hamitron> :)
[16:41] <hamitron> assuming I like 12.04
[16:42] <hamitron> ;/
[16:42] <hamitron> not tried Unity yet, so :)
[17:01] <oimon> phone charge fail. plugged in 5 hrs ago while at 14%.  now at 9%
[17:01] <oimon> time to put uupc on the mp3 player instead of browsing on the way home :)
[17:01] <jpds> Should of stopped the torrent client on it.
[17:02] <oimon> i think it was a phone case malfunction
[17:03]  * oimon wonders if omgubuntu is on the way out - has humphrey left? and joey is doing websites about tofu now
[17:07] <AlanBell> what makes you think Ben left?
[17:08] <oimon> AlanBell: a tweet joey sent about ohso & one man band
[17:12] <AlanBell> so I see
[17:36]  * czajkowski hugs jpds 
[17:38]  * popey tickles CaMason 
[17:38] <popey> oops
[17:38]  * popey untickles CaMason 
[17:38]  * popey tickles czajkowski 
[17:39]  * czajkowski peers at a popey 
[17:39] <czajkowski> ello ello
[17:39] <popey> moo
[17:39] <czajkowski> no moo cow :(
[17:40] <popey>  _____
[17:40] <popey> < MOO >
[17:40] <popey>  -----
[17:40] <popey>         \   ^__^
[17:40] <popey>          \  (oo)\_______
[17:40] <popey>             (__)\       )\/\
[17:40] <popey>                 ||----w |
[17:40] <popey>                 ||     ||
[17:41] <czajkowski> :)
[18:04] <AlanBell> right now if you look at the moon and then look to the right of the moon you will see Jupiter
[18:05] <popey> how far to the right of the moon?
[18:07] <AlanBell> a hand +2 fingers
[18:10] <czajkowski> hmm I think my mini 9 is on its deathbed :/
[18:11] <czajkowski> battery is no longer chargin
[18:14] <popey> czajkowski: you can get dell batteries on ebay fairly cheaply
[18:16] <gord> kinda miss my mini10v, i have other hardware that has completely replaced it, but nothing keeped my knees warm quite like it did. also it had a green cover, that is cool
[18:17] <gordonjcp> popey: far enough to the right of the moon to see Jupiter...
[18:17] <gordonjcp> popey: it's basically the second-brightest thing in the sky
[18:18] <czajkowski> popey: aye, hoping to buy the new lappy soon
[18:19] <popey> hehe
[18:21] <gordonjcp> anyone else ever seen an iridium flare?
[18:25] <danfish> gordonjcp: no, but is that similar to some of the clothes my folks made me wear in the 70's?
[18:25] <gordonjcp> no
[18:25] <gordonjcp> basically the Iridium phone sats have a large, highly-polished aluminium parabolic dish facing towards Earth
[18:26] <gordonjcp> at certain points they'll reflect the Sun like a huge shaving mirror, and for a few seconds they appear about mag -8
[18:27] <gordonjcp> if you're lucky you can sometimes see the flare track across the ground as a bright flash like someone sweeping a spotlight across - I've managed to see that *once*
[18:27] <danfish> I've a google calendar that tracks the ISS and it's appearances over SE England
[18:29] <gordonjcp> cool
[18:29] <gordonjcp> I just use gpredict since it does the other sats too
[18:29] <gordonjcp> RIP AO-51
[18:29] <gordonjcp> :-/
[18:30] <danfish> RIP (soon) phobos-grunt
[18:31] <gordonjcp> I'm not sure what mode ISS is running at the moment
[18:53] <mgdm> gordonjcp: Oh, i thought the iridium flares were due to corner reflectors on the ... well, corners
[19:01] <AlanBell> we totally failed to have the meeting on the 1st
[19:02] <bigcalm> Oh
[19:02] <bigcalm> I thought I had missed it
[19:03] <bigcalm> Shall we have it on Friday evening?
[19:07] <bigcalm> mgdm: your retweet of TeamAndIRC talking about porting CarrierIQ to CM7 and CM9 - Is this meant to be a joke that I have missed? That's not a user I follow so don't know if they are whack or not
[19:07] <bigcalm> I ask due to: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/cyanogenmod-will-never-have-carrier-iq
[19:07]  * bigcalm goes to take dinner out of the oven
[20:19] <Univoid> Hi ppl quick question i copied my .config folder in my home dir to a new computer if i delete this .config folder will ubuntu recreate it
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> yes, but you'll lose the configuration of most programs
[20:28] <Univoid> that is fine
[20:29] <Univoid> i copied the config folder from a laptop to a desktop stupidly and suddenly running very slow on desktop so wondering if i copied some settings i shouldnt
[20:36] <popey> Univoid: I'd be careful of doing that
[20:37] <popey> Univoid: especially if you use syncing programs like ubuntu one
[20:37] <Univoid> i do not
[20:37] <Azelphur> hmm, just tried to do a do-release-upgrade on 11.04 server to 11.10, it spewed out a malformatted unreadable traceback and died during the upgrade
[20:37] <Azelphur> any suggestions on how I can resume the upgrade?
[20:38] <directhex> awesme
[20:38] <directhex> Azelphur, apt-get dist-upgrade? it's already got 11.10 repos set
[20:38] <popey> how did you run do-release-upgrade?
[20:38] <Azelphur> directhex: says something has a lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock but I can't find out what
[20:38] <Azelphur> popey: from the serial console on a vps host
[20:38] <directhex> Azelphur, ps -ef | grep dpkg
[20:38] <popey> no i mean the exact command
[20:39] <directhex> Azelphur, if dpkg isn't running, delete the lock
[20:39] <Azelphur> directhex: yea, we've got some dpkg running
[20:40] <Azelphur> popey: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[20:40] <popey> BZZZT
[20:40] <popey> wrong
[20:40] <popey> -d = development
[20:40] <Azelphur> derp.
[20:40] <popey> you're probably on a journey to 12.04
[20:40] <Azelphur> wooops.
[20:40] <Azelphur> righto, reinstall then
[20:40] <jpds> What could possibly go wrong?
[20:40] <AlanBell> 12.04 ftw
[20:40]  * MartijnVdS is on perfect, but it seems to be flaky in the multiarch department atm
[20:41] <popey> see how I knew what the issue was there. experience of helping Azelphur in the past, that's what that is ☺
[20:41]  * AlanBell was going to move TheOpenSourcerer's blog to a server running 12.04
[20:41] <Azelphur> popey: haha, I googled how to do it and followed instructions, bad instructions clearly :(
[20:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gulp.
[20:42] <popey> !upgrade
[20:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Could your WP/10.04 prob have anything to do with Super cache?
[20:42] <Azelphur> easy to reinstall though, literally just fresh installed and tried to update so can just fresh install again
[20:43] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: unlikely, same setup on apache as lighttpd
[20:43] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: 12.04 is an LTS, you like LTS :)
[20:43] <popey> it isnt S yet tho
[20:43] <AlanBell> details details
[20:43] <Azelphur> popey: that page is for desktop though, this is server :P
[20:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes - but 12.04 isn't even Alpha 2 yet. Prolly very broken right now.
[20:43] <AlanBell> actually working fine right now
[20:44] <popey> Azelphur: no. it isnt.
[20:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's what I'm wondering - If it's Supercache and apache/
[20:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> rather than WP and apache.
[20:44] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades -> Network Upgrade for Ubuntu Servers
[20:44] <popey> haha, and it's wrong
[20:44]  * popey edits it
[20:44] <Azelphur> ah, I went to the get-ubuntu/upgrade page rather than the upgrade notes,
[20:45] <popey> well the first one is wrong
[20:45] <popey> it has -d
[20:45] <popey> what idiot did that?
[20:45] <Azelphur> haha
[20:45] <Azelphur> popey: that's the page where I read -d!
[20:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: It may be working __today__ but after the next apt-get update... Who knows ;-)
[20:45] <Azelphur> popey: blame that idiot, not my fault!
[20:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Might be better off on 8.04 :-D
[20:45] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: all part of the fun
[20:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Any way - time to go and prepare to watch some Frozen Planet
[20:46] <popey> Azelphur: yeah, completely
[20:46]  * Azelphur hides
[20:47] <jacobw> Frozen Planet :o
[20:47] <AlanBell> kitterman did it
[20:47] <directhex> i think i'll get my mum frozen planet for xmas
[20:47] <jacobw> don't get her Pluto, its not a planet anymore..
[20:48]  * AlanBell fixes
[20:49] <gord> blurays of frozen planet shipped to me today :) hope i get them tomorrow
[20:49] <Azelphur> my cat died, I blame kitterman D:
[20:49] <Azelphur> him and his -d.
[20:49] <jacobw> Spontaneous cat death?
[20:49] <popey> AlanBell: i am trying to fix it
[20:49] <Azelphur> hehe, but yea np as I say it was just a fresh installation so I can just fresh install and do it right
[20:50] <popey> 20:44:36  * popey edits it
[20:50] <Azelphur> jacobw: indeed, spontaneous cat death caused by bad documentation
[20:50] <popey> bah
[20:50] <AlanBell> popey: oh, it didn't tell me you had a lock
[20:50]  * daubers upgrades a laptop from 9.04 to 10.04
[20:50]  * popey wanders off
[20:50] <jacobw> Azelphur: i hate it when that happens :p
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> 9.04? That's stone age!
[20:50] <AlanBell> does the help wiki not do lock warning?
[20:51] <jacobw> 9.04 :( i have to use 10.10, that's bad enough.
[20:51] <Azelphur> in another point, I have a netbook here that has Ubuntu 9.04 on it, which is no longer supported. It's owned by one of those phobic-to-change people, what should I do with it? :P
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Upgrade it while they're sleeping
[20:51] <Azelphur> haha
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> then tell them a security update came through
[20:51] <jacobw> are they using UNR?
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> (but only if/when they ask)
[20:52] <Azelphur> jacobw: yea
[20:52]  * jacobw makes a note of explaining upgrades that i want to do as security updates
[20:52] <Azelphur> haha
[21:01] <jacobw> Azelphur: doesn't 10.04 have UNR?
[21:01] <Azelphur> good point
[21:02] <jacobw> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04-netbook-i386.iso
[21:03] <Azelphur> :)
[21:03] <Azelphur> jacobw: how longs left on the 10.04 support line?
[21:04] <bigcalm> !10.04
[21:04] <Azelphur> fun
[21:09]  * jacobw looks forward to 12.04 desktop
[21:09]  * popey looks across at 12.04 desktop
[21:10]  * jacobw looks sideways at popey 
[21:11] <jacobw> is alpha 1 out?
[21:13] <brobostigon> jacobw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule
[21:13] <jacobw> :)
[21:14] <popey> yes is the short answer
[21:15] <popey> i am running it on my main desktop
[21:15] <jacobw> cool
[21:15] <jacobw> i need to start running it at some point
[21:16] <jacobw> i may as well start now
[21:16] <popey> http://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/
[21:16] <popey> interesting article
[21:18] <jacobw> flattr?
[21:20] <popey> 29112 alan      20   0 2713m 1.6g  42m R   93 21.7 857:40.46 firefox
[21:20] <popey> le sigh ☹
[21:20] <directhex> le sigh?
[21:21] <popey> consuming all my cpu
[21:21] <popey> 6 tabs
[21:27] <bigcalm> AlanBell: so, do we have thoughts on a new meeting date?
[21:36] <jacobw> ok, so i have two mini pci slots, one with space for a full mini pci card and one with space only for a half mini pci card in range of my antenna and both on/off'd by the kill switch
[21:37] <jacobw> in two seperate laptops, one of which has a full mini pci card and the other has a half mini pci card
[21:37] <jacobw> i moved the hard drive from the first to the second
[21:38] <jacobw> (the history is irrelevant, but its how i got here)
[21:39] <jacobw> rfkill when its loaded detects the kill switch as active for the missing full mini pc
[21:40] <jacobw> network manager reads /dev/rfkill and sees kill switch active for full mini pci, but doesn't see that half mini pci exists and is not blocked so disables wireless
[21:40] <jacobw> ok, any ideas?
[21:41] <jacobw> ifconfig works to bring the interface up and indicator light is as expected
[21:42] <brobostigon> http://www.unis.no/default.htm interesting place to go to university.
[22:05] <AlanBell> bigcalm: not yet, but probably not friday evening
[22:06] <bigcalm> Aww!
[22:06] <bigcalm> :P
[22:07] <bigcalm> My week off it almost over :(
[22:07] <bigcalm> Have to wait until the 23rd until more relaxing can be done
[22:21] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I've a CC meeting from 5-6 so maybe down a bit late tomorrow will see if there aren't any train delays, waterloo was a bit crazy today
[22:22] <AlanBell> I can't make it tomorrow czajkowski
[22:23] <AlanBell> unless things turn out surprisingly
[22:23] <bigcalm> I'm at an xmas meal tomorrow from 6ish. Maybe next week would be best?
[22:24] <bigcalm> And it's really short (or no) notice for everybody else too
[22:24] <AlanBell> yeah, next week sometime for the meeting
[22:24] <Nafallo> czajkowski: isn't waterloo always a bit crazy? :-)
[22:24] <AlanBell> probably a lunchtime one
[22:25] <czajkowski> Nafallo: true
[22:25] <Nafallo> people stopping randomly in front of you and you have to spin around and jump to avoid further collisions etc...
[22:25] <Nafallo> thank god for all my dance classes.
[22:25] <Nafallo> makes me survive London
[22:26] <bigcalm> Been a while since I've been to the big smoke. Wonder what'll happen
[22:29] <czajkowski> you'll use google maps a lot
[22:29] <bigcalm> :)
[22:29] <czajkowski> nn folks
[22:30] <bigcalm> Oo, might have to turn on Google Latitude
[22:30] <bigcalm> Night czajkowski
[22:30] <Nafallo> czajkowski: gnight :-)
[22:32] <mgdm> bigcalm: yes, it was a joke :)
[22:32] <bigcalm> mgdm: phew :)
[22:32] <bigcalm> mgdm: I must look rather dim
[22:33] <mgdm> heh heh
[22:51] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:25] <KrisDouglas> Evening all