[00:08] <gamerchick02> my internet got turned on yesterday.
[00:09] <dzho> yay internet
[00:09] <gamerchick02> I've waited quite a long time for it, too
[00:09] <gamerchick02> i don't get as quick of a connection through my new router, but damn if it ain't fast
[00:09] <gamerchick02> some sort of gigabit thing... i dunno
[00:10] <gamerchick02> i don't have a gigabit router.
[00:10] <dzho> DOCSIS 3 something ormumbleanother
[00:10] <dzho> ?
[00:10] <gamerchick02> uh... Linksys E something
[00:10] <gamerchick02> the cable itself is Comcast
[00:11] <gamerchick02> I've had good luck with Linksys routers so yeah.
[00:28] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: congrats on the network connectivity
[00:28] <rick_h_> big win
[00:29] <gamerchick02> thank you. it's amazing
[00:29] <gamerchick02> and it's crazy to be without it
[00:29] <gamerchick02> you know? you don't realize how much you depend on it
[00:29] <gamerchick02> wow. worked my ass off at work today (12 configs, this is unheard of, especially creation thereof) AND i cleaned my apartment
[00:30] <snap-l> Howdy
[00:33] <gamerchick02> hey! snap-l. i missed you!
[00:38] <greg-g> awww
[00:42] <snap-l> yep, I've been working on my dodge and passive defense.
[01:30] <gamerchick02> ah.
[01:30] <gamerchick02> i've just been offline for awhile
[01:30] <gamerchick02> that stupid power outage last week really put a crimp in my style
[01:40] <jrwren> mmm... i want docsis3
[01:53] <jrwren> gamerchick02: what does that mean, "12 configs" ?
[01:53] <gamerchick02> 12 vehicle configurations
[01:54] <gamerchick02> you know when you go to an OEM website and create your car?
[01:54] <jrwren> no. i disable flash, so that often doesn't work.
[01:54] <gamerchick02> yeah, those options go to someone like me and they go into various programs and then get sent to the plant so they know what parts to put on your car
[01:54] <jrwren> oh I see.
[01:54] <jrwren> that is cool.
[01:55] <gamerchick02> it's a bunch of clicking little radio dials, but thanks
[01:55] <gamerchick02> it takes forever in Fiat's program: CoDeP.
[01:55] <gamerchick02> it's java based and just slow
[01:55] <gamerchick02> i can touch 500 codes for a config and it's all manual
[01:56] <gamerchick02> we're trying to figure out a better way to get the info to CoDeP so we don't have to do as much work
[02:17] <gamerchick02> ok. i'm going to see what's on TV
[02:17] <gamerchick02> perhaps fire up the netbook
[02:18] <gamerchick02> see everyone on the other side
[12:39] <Wolfger> Morning
[12:41] <rick_h_> morning
[12:44] <Wolfger> aw... no party?
[13:05] <brousch> ut oh
[13:13] <rick_h_> no, sleepy...wife is sick and I had to move into the guest room part way through the night
[13:21] <brousch> mine too. weird
[13:40] <snap-l> g'morning
[13:40] <brousch> snap-l: no. i guess you missed that memo
[13:41] <snap-l> Yeah, JoDee was sick all yesterday
[13:41] <snap-l> I'm still wishing you all a good morning
[13:41] <rick_h_> snap-l is a better man than I
[13:41] <rick_h_> I take my discomfort out on the world bwuhahahaha!
[13:42] <snap-l> Heh
[13:43] <brousch> snap-l: you must not have slept on the couch
[13:45] <snap-l> Nope. I'm the guy that laughs at the face of danger
[13:45] <snap-l> or rather, sleeps through it
[13:48] <brousch> impressive
[13:49] <brousch> actually i slept in bed too, but got up at 11:30, 3:30 and 5:30 because the boy was coughing
[13:49] <rick_h_> yea, times I wonder if I could change one thing about myself, would I change being a light sleeper or less weight
[13:49] <rick_h_> tough call
[13:50] <snap-l> I'd change my ability to procrastnate. I can distract myself 12 ways from doing anything
[13:51] <snap-l> "Let's check to see what changed on Wikipedia"
[13:52] <Wolfger> Not sure what I'd change... many ripples... Removing gout is a strong frontrunner, though. So long as I wouldn't have to change my lifestyle to achieve that effect :-p
[13:53] <brousch> wow, i read "many nipples"
[13:53] <Wolfger> LOL
[13:53]  * rick_h_ refuses to admit that thought crossed his mind
[13:53] <Wolfger> I'd say something like "remove laziness", but that would effectively change who I am in many ways.
[13:54] <Wolfger> could be I wouldn't like the result as much as I initially think
[14:06] <Wolfger> My favorite Star Trek episode of all time is from The Next Generation when Q gives Picard the opportunity to go back in time and undo just one thing, and then Picard finds out the repercussions that one (bad, on the surface of it) thing had on the rest of his life.
[14:07] <brousch> it's not so bad, he ends up an astronomer
[14:11] <brousch> interesting https://launchpad.net/~dreamhost-openstack-team
[14:16] <Wolfger> brousch: Well, he thought it was bad.
[14:17] <Wolfger> Just kind of a reminder that everything, even things we regret, all led us to where we are.
[14:33] <snap-l> We are the sum of the layers of decisions we've made.
[14:37] <brousch> good rant from armin ronacher on python3 http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2011/12/7/thoughts-on-python3
[14:45] <snap-l> All I have to say is if you feel like bitching about Python 3, please look a the vast rift between Perl 5 and Perl 6
[14:45] <snap-l> and kindly STFU. :)
[14:46] <snap-l> also, I played with 1.5.2 while the world was working on 2.0. There's change there too.
[14:47] <brousch> but isn't that part of the reason perl is dead now?
[14:47] <snap-l> WEll, it's not dead, but I frankly haven't invested any time in it recently.
[14:48] <brousch> it's mostly dead
[14:48] <snap-l> Considering that "Modern Perl" is now anything 5.10 and above
[14:48] <snap-l> Moribund, more like it
[14:48] <brousch> when randall schwartz kicks the bucket it will be permanently dead
[14:48] <snap-l> Like disco; never dead, but constantly showing up at weddings.
[14:49] <Wolfger> it will never die
[14:49] <snap-l> brousch: You give him way too much credit
[14:49] <Wolfger> it will always be in the toolboxes of sysadmins
[14:49] <snap-l> He writes great books, but I think he's moved into Smalltalk
[14:49] <snap-l> Wolfger: And that's fine
[14:49] <Wolfger> and schmucks like me who think they can code...
[14:49] <brousch> he is the only person that talks about it
[14:49] <snap-l> brousch: Follow chromatic sometime.
[14:49] <snap-l> He's still beating the Perl drum
[14:49] <Wolfger> Merlin
[14:50] <snap-l> That's Schwartz.
[14:50] <Wolfger> and all these guys: http://perlmonks.org/
[14:50] <snap-l> Put another way, FLOSS Weekly did more to disabuse me of the cult of Randall Schawartz than anything
[14:51] <brousch> that web site looks like it's from 2003
[14:51] <snap-l> brousch: It is
[14:51] <brousch> sounds dead to me
[14:51] <snap-l> It's slashcode, iirc.
[14:51] <snap-l> but without all of the updates that happened to Slashdot proper.
[14:52] <snap-l> http://perlmonks.org/?node=vroom <- the gent who created it
[14:52] <snap-l> Last here:Jan 31, 2011 at 15:33 UTC (44 weeks ago)
[14:53] <ColonelPanic001> ugh, Perl Monks
[14:53] <ColonelPanic001> fantastic content
[14:53] <ColonelPanic001> terrible as shit website
[14:53] <ColonelPanic001> they don't even hash passwords. Caused a ruckus a couple years ago when it got exposed
[14:54]  * ColonelPanic001 is a Pilgrim
[14:54] <ColonelPanic001> http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=510888
[14:55] <snap-l> I think I still have an account on there.
[14:57] <rick_h_> perl? people still talk about that old thing? ;)
[14:57] <brousch> i talk about it in the same way i talk about pascal or fortran
[14:57] <brousch> not quite cobol
[14:58] <snap-l> Well, apparently I don't have an account I can access anymore.
[14:58] <snap-l> Oh well
[14:59]  * snap-l <- Over it
[14:59] <rick_h_> heh, move along. Sit still and become replaced
[15:00] <snap-l> Well, I think that's the major problem with perl
[15:00] <snap-l> it did both (sit still, and move too far off the radar)
[15:02] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: Yeah, I more or less quit PerlMonks after the unhashed password fiasco.
[15:02] <Wolfger> it was embarassing
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> pathetically embarassing
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> there are some really good people on there. The knowledge is around
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> and thisis first-day learning stuff
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> pathetic
[15:09] <Wolfger> Heh. CNN poll today is asking "do you think the Russian election results can be trusted?". I'd like them to run a concurrent poll asking "do you think USA election results can be trusted?"
[15:10] <Wolfger> and if there's a large discrepancy between the two, that percentage of people should be slapped in the face.
[15:10] <snap-l> That's a very dumb poll
[15:11] <snap-l> Might as well ask people if they believe there are 500+ angels on the head of a pin
[15:12] <snap-l> Same results. :)
[15:13] <ColonelPanic001> Wolfger++;
[15:14] <Wolfger> snap-l: yeah. I'd guess that far fewer than 1% of the people taking that poll know anything more about the Russian voting that what CNN told them to think.
[15:15] <brousch> russians are all devious spies. obviously they cannot be trusted
[15:15] <brousch> movies have taught me this
[15:15] <Wolfger> It basically boils down to "nobody believes in fair elections, and if it's a country we don't like we're willing to admit we think it's all rigged"
[15:16] <ColonelPanic001> and all russian women are sexy, but dangerous and possibly govenment assassins
[15:16] <Wolfger> LOL
[15:16] <brousch> ColonelPanic001++
[15:16] <brousch> all the men are spies and all the women are hot spies
[15:16] <ColonelPanic001> ^
[15:17] <brousch> and they drink a lot of vodka, so they're always drunk
[15:17] <brousch> would you trust those election results?
[15:17] <Wolfger> on fear that they'd assassinate me, yes
[15:18] <brousch> so you would say you trust them, but really would not
[15:19] <Wolfger> of course I would really be trustink them, comrade!
[15:22] <brousch> snap-l: hm, wii fit in the morning is a good idea
[15:22] <snap-l> yeah, it at least gets my sorry ass moving
[15:23] <brousch> i thought about riding my exercise bike, but then the boy will wake up and i'll be the only one awake to tend to him
[15:23] <brousch> but with wii fit he can play along
[15:26] <Wolfger> Friend of mine has done a number of blog entries about wii fit.
[15:27] <brousch> we have it, and used it many years ago
[15:27] <snap-l> Wolfger: Good or bad?
[15:28] <Wolfger> basically to counter the haters who say "it's not as good as going to the gym" by saying "if you don't actually get off your butt and go to the gym, but you do actually play on the wii a half hour a day, it sure as hell is *better* than the gym"
[15:29] <Wolfger> it's no miracle weight loss device, but she says she's sleeping better and feels better after making a daily wii fit commitment
[15:30] <snap-l> yeah, I have no illusions that I'll look like the Governator when I'm done
[15:30] <Wolfger> if it wasn't so expensive, I'd buy a wii and wii fit in a heartbeat
[15:30] <snap-l> And frankly, I wouldn't go to the gym anyway
[15:31] <snap-l> The balance board is ~$90
[15:31] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BSA3EM/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=decafbadnet-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002BSA3EM
[15:31] <brousch> can probably get them used on ebay for cheap
[15:32] <snap-l> Yeah, and the Wii itself as a bundle is pretty cheap (~$170)
[15:32] <Wolfger> http://noelfigart.com/blog/2011/11/11/wii-arent-good-enough/
[15:34] <snap-l> Yeah, quite frankly, it gets me moving, and is an easy way to eigh myself in the morning every day.
[15:34] <snap-l> weigh, rather
[15:34] <snap-l> I wouldn't record this stuff otherwise.
[15:35] <Wolfger> I'm also vaguely concerned I'd break the balance board...
[15:36] <snap-l> It's pretty sturdy
[15:36] <Wolfger> Maybe I'm just out of touch with prices, but $170 for the console plus $90 for the game (and board) just seems pricey
[15:36] <snap-l> though they caution you not to jump on it
[15:36] <Wolfger> I mean, I could get a pretty nice desktop for that. Or a beater car.
[15:36] <snap-l> Wolfger: Well, considering it started life at $250, and we were happy to get it then. :)
[15:36] <snap-l> ~170 with bundled game isn't too shabby
[16:03] <brousch> geez, 425 board games on the shelves http://therapidian.org/bringing-back-family-game-night
[16:04] <snap-l> Looks like my house ^W ^W my local game store.
[16:06] <brousch> it looks like they own another one, the oputer limits, which is about 1 mile from my work
[16:07] <brousch> outer
[16:07] <snap-l> I think I've heard of that store.
[16:07] <brousch> that one's much smaller
[17:38] <rick_h_> http://www.androidcentral.com/verizons-galaxy-nexus-now-said-miss-never-announced-dec-9-launch-date Blazeix
[17:39] <rick_h_> I will not cause bodily harm to others...I will not...
[17:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: I hate to say I told you, but...
[17:40] <snap-l> Verizon couldn't hit a launch date if it were painted in large concentric circles on the side of a barn
[17:40] <rick_h_> snap-l: ... ... ...
[17:41] <snap-l> Well, seriously, when was the last time you saw an announcement that was day and date released?
[17:42] <snap-l> These guys are not software or hardware vendors, they're esssentially the cable company
[17:42] <rick_h_> my phone oh so helpfully wiped itself of knowledge of all installed apps at the gym this morning
[17:42] <rick_h_> I didn't get to listen to my audiobook and had to listen to the idiot on the treadmill and his stupid tv station
[17:43] <rick_h_> I was *REALLY* looking forward to getting a new phone friday...and if I can't...
[17:43]  * rick_h_ repeats new mantra of the day
[17:46] <Blazeix> ugh
[17:47] <rick_h_> Blazeix: I don't know though. Best buy, costco, all saying they'll have them in stock this week
[17:47] <rick_h_> so who knows...but damn, it was so close this time with leaked shots of training docs, the extra sized battery, etc
[17:47] <rick_h_> the darn things are in boxes on UPS trucks, I vote we start hijacking them :)
[17:50] <Blazeix> as an aside, i'd like to kill websites that require the full URL slug to pull up a page
[17:50] <snap-l> Blazeix: yes.
[17:50] <rick_h_> there are a lot of sites I'd like to kill
[18:21] <Wolfger> rick_h_: what's the new mantra of the day? I missed it...
[18:21] <rick_h_> rick_h_> I will not cause bodily harm to others...I will not...
[18:22] <Wolfger> Meh... I don't like it.
[18:22] <Wolfger> s/not//g
[19:17] <rick_h_> http://twitter.com/#!/PEP8SNOB my hero!!!!!!!
[19:17] <rick_h_> snap-l: Blazeix _stink_ ColonelPanic001 ^^
[19:17] <rick_h_> the horror of all the camel casing I've had to do lately...
[19:17]  * rick_h_ shivers uncontrollably
[19:19] <brousch> that has to be you
[19:19] <rick_h_> actually, I'm shamed I didn't start it first
[19:21] <brousch> looks like it died
[19:23] <snap-l> http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/?p=689 <- Interesting
[19:25] <ColonelPanic001> hah, nice twitter feed
[19:26]  * rick_h_ dies a little inside...hits enter on :%s/function (/function(/g
[19:28] <Blazeix> i prefer the latter :)
[19:30] <snap-l> Yeah, I like function names to have their parens close-at-hand
[19:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: it's not a matter of closing, but one space between function and (
[19:31] <rick_h_> I've gotten to like the jslint mandate of a single space there
[19:31] <rick_h_> LP says "no no no little Rick...no spacey for you"
[19:31] <snap-l> rick_h_: Right, I like function( foo )
[19:31] <rick_h_> oh hell no
[19:31] <brousch> no space! wtf is wrong with you?
[19:32]  * rick_h_ hits snap-l with a clue stick :P
[19:35] <snap-l> Sheesh, you'd think I'd gone into the DMV just before closing time
[19:37] <Wolfger> so much for no bodily harm... nice going, snap-l  :-)
[19:39] <snap-l> Hmm, apparently I have a low grade fever
[19:39] <snap-l> going to lay down a bit
[19:46] <rick_h_> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DBR9VHT go fill it out and make LP bugs nicer kthx
[19:50] <rick_h_> crap I'm in big trouble... http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/12/announcing-pycon-2012-tutorials.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThePyconBlog+%28The+PyCon+blog%29
[19:50] <rick_h_> right off the bat they've got me suckered in...damn them!
[19:51] <brousch> fml. newest version of our CNC template software still requires winxpsp2 compatibility mode and running as administrator
[19:53] <brousch> rick_h_: damn good stuff in there
[19:57] <Wolfger> rick_h_: if it was a bit closer than California, I'd be all over those tutorial days...
[20:00]  * Wolfger wonders how much plane tickets would cost, how close greg-g is to Santa Clara, and what he'd charge for crash space :-p
[20:00] <Wolfger> Bah, who am I kidding. I don't even get off my arse to go to CHC
[20:00] <rick_h_> that's my plan, trying to get enough flights miles for a ticket out there and crash at some friends that are out there these days
[20:01] <rick_h_> but my plan was to stay for sprints, and not go early for tutorials
[20:01] <rick_h_> but that first data analytics track just calls to me
[20:02] <Wolfger> Interesting. CCP is a sponsor
[20:08] <brousch> that's right, greg-g is out there. he can put us all up for pycon!
[22:30] <Blazeix> snap-l: feeling any better? It'd be a shame if I couldn't pay you the $5 I owe you :)
[22:35] <snap-l> Yeah, I think so
[22:35] <greg-g> Wolfger: rick_h_ (non-existent brousch): you're more than welcome to come stay at my place in return for changing diapers :) (santa clara is about an hour caltrain ride away)
[22:35] <snap-l> wasn't feeling awful, just cold, and running a little fever
[22:36] <greg-g> snap-l: did you sleep? have fun fever induced dreams?
[22:36] <greg-g> mine are never fun, always scary/freaky
[22:36] <snap-l> no, just relaxing