[00:53] <bdmurray> I'm in the process of fixing bug 898721.  The correct path is kde4-profile is that right?
[00:57] <bdmurray> maco: are you around?
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> that should be the right path, yes
[01:02] <bdmurray> JontheEchidna: okay, thanks
[11:59]  * debfx starts packaging the icon tasks applet
[12:05] <jussi> debfx: icon tasks applet? 
[12:06] <debfx> jussi: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Icon+Tasks?content=144808
[12:06] <debfx> basically the unity launcher for kde
[12:06] <jussi> ooh, cool. 
[12:12] <debfx> oh, it's part of kdeplasma-addons 4.8
[12:13] <jussi> you know, I find it slightly suprising no one has written a light weight de in Qt. is Qt really that heavy? 
[13:04] <agateau> jussi: you mean, something like unity-2d? ;)
[13:04]  * agateau hides
[13:04] <jussi> agateau: hehe, I suppose....
[13:04]  * jussi pours water on agateau
[14:54]  * ScottK pokes at yofel for test results.
[15:25] <maco> bdmurray: i'm around now...
[15:25] <maco> (i dont tend to sign on at all when i'm at home anymore, btw)
[15:33] <bdmurray> maco: its okay I found an answer
[16:05] <bolo56> hi
[16:32] <agateau> ScottK: ping
[16:32] <ScottK> agateau: pong
[16:33] <agateau> ScottK: hi, I finally found time to look into the license issues with massif-visualizer, I'd like to check with you I am doing it correctly if you don't mind
[16:33] <ScottK> agateau: Fire away.
[16:33] <agateau> great!
[16:34] <agateau> so the first issue is that most of the code is LGPL 2.0 but the top COPYING file is for the GPL 2.0
[16:34] <agateau> so I think I should replace the COPYING file with the correct license
[16:34] <agateau> (I am talking about fixing this upstream btw)
[16:34] <agateau> now that I wrote it, that one looks like a no-brainer :)
[16:35] <ScottK> agateau: You need a full copy of all licenses used in the package, so IIRC it'll need both.
[16:36] <ScottK> Also there are specific file references in the code copy and so I think those files should exist (if only as symlinks) in addition to the top level COPYING files.
[16:36] <agateau> ScottK: actually the only code which is GPL is from libkdchart,
[16:36] <ScottK> OK.
[16:37] <agateau> ScottK: and since the copyright header mentions files named LICENSE.GPL2 and LICENSE.GPL3,
[16:37] <agateau> I was thinking of adding those in the kdchart/ dir
[16:37] <ScottK> That sounds good.
[16:37] <agateau> then we have one last tricky couple of files,
[16:37] <agateau> code borrowed from Qt itself
[16:38] <agateau> ScottK: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sdk/massif-visualizer/repository/revisions/master/entry/test/modeltest.cpp
[16:38] <agateau> this code is LGPL 2.1 and mentions a file named LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt, which is missing
[16:38] <ScottK> That's very tricky.
[16:39] <ScottK> It's internally inconsistent too.
[16:39] <ScottK> Line 10 "** No Commercial Usage" makes it non-free.
[16:39] <agateau> yes I saw that one
[16:39] <ScottK> Where did you get the code from?
[16:39] <agateau> but then it says "Alternatively..." in line 17
[16:40] <ScottK> OK
[16:40] <ScottK> That takes care of the problem.
[16:40] <ScottK> So you need to find this LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt and include it.
[16:41] <agateau> ok
[16:41] <agateau> at the top-level or in the test/ dir?
[16:43] <agateau> I found it, it's in qt source code (unsurprisingly)
[16:45] <agateau> ScottK: I am going to copy both  LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt and LICENSE.LGPL to the dir where this file is kept, does it sound good?
[16:45] <ScottK> Yes
[16:45] <agateau> ScottK: great, thanks!
[16:46] <agateau> I am wondering if all packages are usually that tricky or I just picked a painful one to get started
[16:48] <agateau> ScottK: one last question: if I commit the changes upstream, can I include these changes in the package as a patch or should I generate a new tarball myself?
[16:48] <ScottK> It's OK to patch them in for now.
[16:48] <agateau> ok, that makes my life a bit simpler :)
[16:57] <yofel> ScottK: what was the original problem with soprano? Or should I just test if new soprano adds any new breakage?
[16:57] <ScottK> Supposed to fix all the Nepomuk issues in combination with 4.7.3.
[16:57] <ScottK> (it's changelog gives specifics)
[16:58] <ScottK> Knowning about general breakage is important too
[17:20] <Riddell> tsk, emacs keeps freezing and won't let me edit anything
[17:20] <nigelb> Use vim :P
[17:24] <agateau> ScottK: just uploaded new package to revu
[17:25] <ScottK> Riddell: That's only becuase editing isn't one of it's primary functions.  Too many other things for it to do.
[17:25] <ScottK> agateau: Great.  I'll try and look at it later today (not sure I'll have time though)
[17:26] <agateau> ScottK: ok thanks
[17:27] <nigelb> ScottK: heh, good one ;)
[17:27] <Riddell> bah, no sympathy around here!
[17:27]  * agateau hugs Riddell
[17:28] <Riddell> debfx: looks like rekonq is ok to sync from debian
[17:28] <agateau> time to go for me, bye
[17:30] <debfx> Riddell: it depends. at some point all kubuntu patches got dropped without mentioning it in the changelog so I assume it was an accident
[17:37] <Quintasan> bloody hell, installing with Ubuntu with mouse only is impossible
[17:37]  * Quintasan can't type his username in
[17:40] <nigelb> Quintasan: onscreen keyboard?
[17:40] <ScottK> Use the mouse to copy/paste characters off the screen.
[17:40] <Quintasan> nigelb: How on Earth I am supposed to enable it?
[17:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: Nothing to copy from :/
[17:41] <ScottK> OK.
[17:41] <Quintasan> nigelb: In before system settings
[17:41] <Quintasan> I enabled it there and nothing shows up
[17:41] <nigelb> Quintasan: Are you on accessible install?
[17:41] <nigelb> There should be something for accessibility
[17:41] <Quintasan> *shrug*
[17:41] <nigelb> I'd be surprised if there isn't.
[17:41] <Quintasan> No idea, I have the arm image for i.mx
[17:42] <Quintasan> It's like 900mb
[17:42] <nigelb> aha, we have an isntaller hacker among us!
[17:42]  * nigelb pokes maco
[17:42] <maco> we do?
[17:42]  * maco looks around
[17:43] <maco> there's no accessibility stuff in kubuntu's installer yet
[17:43] <Quintasan> It's Ubuntu
[17:43] <Quintasan> ARM image
[17:43] <maco> oh
[17:43] <maco> umm... can you find onboard anywhere?
[17:43] <maco> are you in ubiquity-with-unity-around-it or just ubiquity itself?
[17:44] <maco> there wouldve been a time during boot when you could pick to turn on the onscreen keyboard. i think its f6 to get the menu...oh...
[17:44] <maco> hrmph
[17:44] <Quintasan> just ubiquity I believe
[17:44] <Quintasan> lol
[17:44] <Quintasan> press f6 to get onscreen keyboard? so logical
[17:44] <nigelb> heh
[17:44] <maco> well f6 is how you get to ANY accessibility stuff
[17:44] <maco> also, you cant use a mouse during that part of the boot at all
[17:45] <nigelb> oh, the screen before you select "install ubuntu' "boot from harddisk"?
[17:45] <maco> yes
[17:45] <nigelb> *s/where[Bs/before/where/
[17:45] <Quintasan> durrrrrrrr
[17:45]  * Quintasan goes looking for USB keyboard
[17:45] <nigelb> haha
[17:45] <nigelb> we helped you :P
[17:45] <Quintasan> I have a wireless one but it doesn't work for some reason
[17:45] <maco> bluetooth doesnt work that early in boot either?
[17:46] <Quintasan> *shrug*
[17:46] <Quintasan> I'll plug the one I am using now
[17:46] <Quintasan> br
[17:46] <Quintasan> brb
[17:46] <maco> onscreen keyboards got their start for people who would hurt if they typed full sentences mostly
[17:46] <maco> casper does still assume you can press a key or two though. hrm.
[17:47] <maco> i think its f6
[17:47] <maco> maybe f5
[17:47] <maco> there are optiony bits
[17:47] <nigelb> I hope something improves there before we go to Ubuntu on tablets etc.
[17:49] <maco> i dont know how youd even get it installed on a tablet anyway, except with hard drive swappiness
[17:49] <maco> no usb ports, no cd drives...
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Uhh .. You can install kubuntu on Tablets
[17:49] <shadeslayer> ask Quintasan and apachelogger_ :P
[17:49] <maco> with a jtag?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:50] <Quintasan> durr
[17:50] <Quintasan> maco: I got Ubuntu installed on Transformer
[17:50] <shadeslayer> maco: nope, tablets have Serial interfaces
[17:50]  * maco is not nerd enough to try a jtag
[17:50] <maco> O_o
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ^^ I might try out JTAG on my shiny new raspberry pi
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Never used it, should be a ton of fun
[17:50] <Quintasan> the thing is that we can't get kernel with the right interface to boot correctly from internal memory and it mean we have older kernel and no hardware acceleration
[17:51] <maco> im pretty sure my boyfriend's ipad doesnt have a serial port. hell, none of my laptops have serial ports. i doubt my desktop at work does either
[17:51] <maco> unless you mean USB
[17:51] <Quintasan> which makes it particualary useless since it's UBER slow
[17:51] <maco> in which case, im still pretty sure the ipad doesnt
[17:51] <shadeslayer> maco: the proprietary port on the bottom can be used for hackery
[17:51] <Quintasan> on Transformer you have nvflash
[17:51] <shadeslayer> I believe those ports are serial
[17:51] <Quintasan> which makes it easier
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: correction, on your revision of the transformer you have a working nvflash
[17:52] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:52] <Quintasan> curse your luck shadeslayer
[17:52] <Quintasan> not mine :P
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Well, I'm getting raspi , so I'll do stuff with it till the transformer works
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Plasma Active on a 40" LED Screen ... \o/
[17:53] <Quintasan> It has hdmi?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:53] <shadeslayer> 1080p decoding as well
[17:53] <Quintasan> oh wait, transformer has hdpi too
[17:53] <shadeslayer> and it's only 25 USD ( for model A)
[17:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: 1080p from an sd card?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah
[17:53] <Quintasan> I ain't believing that
[17:53] <shadeslayer> No Wifi tho
[17:53] <Quintasan> class 10 sd card?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Lemme dig up the video
[17:54] <Quintasan> >implying Flash works here
[17:54] <Quintasan> OFC the freaking keyboard doesnt work :OOOO
[17:54] <shadeslayer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgR74Kp6Ws4
[17:54] <Quintasan> damned imx
[17:54] <Quintasan> I wanted to build stuff on it for transformer but NO
[17:55] <shadeslayer> Can't you build stuff for transformer in a chroot or on the transformer itself?
[17:57] <Quintasan> brb
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Too bad I can't boot ubuntu on the raspi
[18:00] <Quintasan> Of course!
[18:00] <Quintasan> Keyboard settings -> Toggle on-screen keyboard
[18:00] <shadeslayer> haha
[18:00] <Quintasan> HOLD DOWN NEW KEYS TO EDIT A SHORTCUT
[18:00] <shadeslayer> xD
[18:01] <Quintasan> ludicrous!
[18:35] <maco> Quintasan: 
 maco: nope, just wait to the drums and click the accessibility symbol in the top panel
 then you can start onboard
[19:25] <yofel> ScottK: no issues with soprano here in the last 2 hours 
[19:26] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.