[00:58] <asobi> just formatted external to ext4 but fdisk still shows hpfs/ntfs?
[00:59] <LINKSWORD2> I need help removing the Bluetooth manager.
[00:59] <LINKSWORD2> I keep getting a message that says; "Bluetooth devices not detected." But I haven't installed any devices.
[01:01] <holstein> asobi: i would just double check that your changes have been applied where ever you have tried to re-format, and you can output sudo fdisk -l to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ if youd like
[01:02] <holstein> LINKSWORD2: is there a hardware switch for BT ?
[01:02] <asobi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/763337/
[01:02] <LINKSWORD2> Nope. I'm running a desktop system.
[01:03] <holstein> LINKSWORD2: i would just fire up a package manager and search bluetooth
[01:04] <avihay_> I wonder if rfkill can help
[01:05] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not finding any INSTALLED packages in the Package Manager as far as bluetooth goes.
[01:07] <holstein> LINKSWORD2: ive never had KDE, kubuntu, and bluetooth, so i cant say what to do
[01:07] <asobi> i assume cmd to format is: sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc1
[01:08] <LINKSWORD2> Found it, but it was being a pain in the neck to find.
[01:08] <holstein> asobi: i use gparted
[01:08] <asobi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/763343/
[01:09] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive#Partition_The_Disk
[01:10] <asobi> thanks
[01:11] <LINKSWORD2> Does anyone here have Kubuntu alongside another Linux distro?
[01:12] <holstein> LINKSWORD2: i did
[01:13] <LINKSWORD2> Which distro?
[01:13] <holstein> another *buntu
[01:13] <holstein> 10.04 LTS vanilla
[01:14] <LINKSWORD2> I'm looking to broaden my knowledge of Linux.
[01:14] <LINKSWORD2> I like Kubuntu and the KDE interface, but I also want to learn another architecture. So I thought I'd get opinions in here.
[01:15] <holstein> architecture?... you mean another DE ? like XFCE?
[01:15] <holstein> or another distro, like arch linux?
[01:16] <LINKSWORD2> My mistake. Pardon me. lol
[01:16] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, another distro.
[01:16] <holstein> if you have the hardware, virtualbox is an easy way to distro-hop
[01:16] <LINKSWORD2> Currently, I've got installation CD's for Arch, and two versions of Debian.
[01:30] <Scunizi> Switching between a usb headset and desktop external audio is a nightmare.. when I get the output right the input from the mic goes wonky.. any hints or suggestions welcome.. pauvcontrol helps but doesn't fix the wonkyness.
[01:52] <asobi> holstein: it worked. thank you
[04:14] <Resistance> how can i reactivate desktop effects after kde disabled them because things froze/slowed down?
[04:57] <hanthana> kde 4.7.4 released on yesterday
[04:57] <hanthana> when we could get kde 4.7.4 on Kubuntu repos?
[04:57] <hanthana> i want to update my Kubuntu 11.10
[04:59] <phoenix_firebrd> hanthana: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[05:03] <hanthana> phoenix_firebrd: it does not contain the date?
[05:05] <phoenix_firebrd> hanthana: at the end of the page you can see "PPA Testing KDE 4.7.4 Oneiric"  when the below row "running successful" shows yes, then it means 4.7.4 is available for us. so keep checking there
[05:08] <hanthana> phoenix_firebrd: is there any roadmap for this?
[05:09] <phoenix_firebrd> hanthana: sorry dont know
[05:10] <hanthana> ok
[05:59] <cryojenx> Hey, I'm having problems with desktop effects on my system. I have an integrated Intel chipset and when i turn on effects they work brilliantly, until I log out. When I try to log back in, during the login process OpenGL crashes and kicks me back to the login screen, where I can login properly but with effects disabled. Any ideas?
[06:00] <Joit> may a better graphic driver?
[06:01] <Joit> btw anyone knows a good paint program for linux?
[06:01] <cryojenx> possibly, not sure where to get one tho, im a bit of a noob still
[06:01] <cryojenx> I use GIMP for my graphics needs
[06:01] <Joit> it to complicated anyhow for my needs
[06:02] <cryojenx> aah
[06:02] <cryojenx> overkill
[06:02] <Joit> i only need to mess around with some faces or scanned docs or make some squares
[06:02] <Joit> i will look for that
[06:03] <Joit> i used artweaver at windows, was kinda handy
[06:04] <Joit> cryojenx:  but with your desktop it sounds like anything is messed there, as if it dont store your esttings
[06:04] <Joit> settings
[06:05] <cryojenx> well its a fresh install, and it tries to load effects then crashes, so i think its saving the settings, but just goes into a failsafe mode when it crashes
[06:07] <Joit> i did go for a different driver for my nvidia card, its at system - Hardware driver
[06:08] <cryojenx> i tried "additional drivers" it didnt find any others available for my hardware :p
[06:09] <Joit> that sucks, because i could choose a few. you may need admin rights to save it?
[06:10] <cryojenx> got em
[06:11] <Joit> did you see that? http://ubuntuku.org/10/how-to-fix-intel-graphics-issues-in-kubuntu-maverick/
[06:11] <cryojenx> leme look, brb
[06:15] <cryojenx> ok done, lemme go test it
[06:15] <Joit> oki
[06:15] <Joit> much luck
[06:17] <cryojenx> Bleh, still no dice
[06:17] <Joit> sucks
[06:17] <cryojenx> ya
[06:18] <Joit> well did you pick another driver?
[06:18] <Joit> if you can do that
[06:18] <cryojenx> didnt have the option, it said no proprietary drivers on the system
[06:20] <cryojenx> oh well, I'm looking into upgrading to a proper graphics card anyway
[06:20] <Joit> i did search for " intel graphic kubuntu crash effects" at the net
[06:25] <cryojenx> ya, I'm not so great with search engine results. got Asperger's and have difficulty parsing the mass of unrelated info it throws at me to find the right result :p
[06:25] <Joit> i would allways look for the result what do match best at your keywords and the descriptions sounds sane, else there comes so much junnk out
[06:27] <cryojenx> ya, it's crazy all the unrelated crap you get
[06:28] <Joit> yes, it was way better at earlier times, but in the meantimes you get all the jerks at page 1
[06:28] <Joit> do you know the revision number from your intel chipset?
[06:29] <Joit> i just know that intel was allways difficult under windows, not sure if they did fix it now
[06:29] <Joit> err under linux
[06:29] <Joit> intel is more suported by windows
[06:30] <cryojenx> lemme check
[06:30] <Joit> man, gimp kills me, i only need a square with a cross in it :P
[06:31] <cryojenx> revision 02
[06:31] <cryojenx> wb
[06:32] <Joit> ty lol accidently closed rc
[06:32] <cryojenx> hehe
[06:32] <Joit> sorry, i meant the typ
[06:32] <Joit> type of the chipset
[06:32] <cryojenx> 82Q963/Q965
[06:35] <jmichaelx> lol @ asperger's
[06:35] <cryojenx> jmichaelx Excuse me?
[06:36] <cryojenx> I dont think there;s anything funny about autism, not even so called high functioning types such as Asperger's
[06:36]  * jmichaelx <-- has high functioning autism, and identifies with what your feelings about masses of useless data/spam showing up in search results
[06:36] <cryojenx> oh ok
[06:37] <jmichaelx> no, i was definitely not making fun... sorry for not being clear
[06:37] <cryojenx> sorry, misunderstanding
[06:37] <cryojenx> is cool
[06:37] <Joit> lol, and if you are not sick allready you may be it soon. i got so upset from that crap what they post, its even not to handle if you try to ignore it
[06:38] <jmichaelx> yep
[06:38] <Joit> i spend so much times to go through all this pages all time, spendign hours and no solution
[06:38] <cryojenx> someone really needs to design a better kind of search engine. its funny how MS's ads for Bing made it seem like the answer but it was all PR
[06:38] <Joit> i use ixquick.com
[06:38] <Joit> its not to bad at all
[06:38] <cryojenx> i use DuckDuckGo
[06:38] <jmichaelx> i have a very long list of grips with google search...
[06:38] <Joit> souds funny :)
[06:38] <cryojenx> i'll try ixquick
[06:39] <jmichaelx> s/grips/gripes
[06:39] <jmichaelx> now this whole preview thing....
[06:39] <cryojenx> agreed RE: Google
[06:39] <Joit> well there is also a lot of advertising at the web its not only good informations anymore
[06:40] <Joit> best you can come through to use very specific keywords, to get good results
[06:40] <cryojenx> ya, the commercialization of the net has really made things worse IMO
[06:40] <Joit> and well, i still look up for that driver, but cant get a lot out
[06:40] <jmichaelx> i wind up using '-some_word_i_want_excluded' a lot
[06:40] <Joit> cryojenx:  yes, thats it
[06:41] <Joit> lol, may not a bad idea to search over excluded words
[06:41] <cryojenx> ya will try that
[06:42] <Joit> cryojenx:  did you see that ? but its more about acceleration https://wiki.kubuntu.org/X/UxaTesting
[06:42]  * jmichaelx would love to know just how many linux users have some form or autism or another
[06:43] <cryojenx> no didnt see it, I'll look tho
[06:43] <cryojenx> jmichaelx I would gues a VERY large number
[06:43] <Joit> jmichaelx: i think that will depends on the daytime too and how much are on, to get a answer on that
[06:44] <Joit> cryojenx:  you use the 64bit version from kubuntu?
[06:44] <cryojenx> ya
[06:44] <jmichaelx> my guess would also be that the percentage of autistics among linux users is much higher than with other OS's
[06:45] <jmichaelx> sorry for all the OT here
[06:45] <cryojenx> I would think it would hold true for open source OSes across the board
[06:45] <jmichaelx> yea, i would agree
[06:46] <cryojenx> theres that fascination with understanding how the guts of a system tick, like when I was a kid i would take my electronic toys apart to try and figure out how they worked
[06:46] <Joit> cryojenx:  there is a bug about something, says eax? will not work with intel ? but not sure if that match for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/252094?comments=all
[06:46] <cryojenx> hmm, EAX is a sound thing i believe
[06:47] <jmichaelx> autistic people tend to break everything down to their smallest bits
[06:47] <Joit> EXA is it
[06:47] <cryojenx> oh ok hold on
[06:48] <Joit> well, i learned not to learn all time how anything works, especially linux, because its to big to get behind it, and thats why a lot peoples work on it. you need to specify yourself today, because anything is mostly made overcomplicated
[06:49] <Joit> its mostly more efficient to be focused as interested in all
[06:49] <Joit> but i did do that too, and take a lot things apart :)
[06:49] <cryojenx> well what I'm doing is learning about the hardware components first, and then working my way up from there to the software level
[06:50] <Joit> i see.
[06:50]  * jmichaelx LOVES the hardware
[06:50] <Joit> i actually wait for a working driver, or replace the hardware
[06:50] <cryojenx> haha, i love it when ppl get linux running on their Sega Dreamcast or Digital camera
[06:51] <jmichaelx> :-D
[06:51] <Joit> i had the problems early times in linux, and the best thing was to look for compatible hardware
[06:51] <cryojenx> ya, well again, i was planning on upgrading the card anyway, the performance of the integrated chipset is crap on Second Life
[06:51] <Joit> i never saw linux on a digital camera :p
[06:52] <jmichaelx> cryojenx: do i already know you? detroit?
[06:52] <cryojenx> ya, some dude got it running on ... i think it was a Canon, can't recall the model
[06:52] <jmichaelx> Joit: you can install linux on ALL kinds of things... BSD on even more things :-D
[06:52] <Joit> lol
[06:52] <cryojenx> not as far as I know, Biloxi
[06:53] <Joit> ok
[06:53] <jmichaelx> ok, i talk sometimes to someone else in here who uses secondlife, and i think is also 'on the spectrum'
[06:54] <cryojenx> Heck I'd try to get it running on a toaster if i could figure out how to input bash commands via bread-based punch cards
[06:54] <cryojenx> ah ok, cool
[06:54] <jmichaelx> http://www.theinquirer.net/img/4085/flyingtoasters.jpg?1241332028
[06:55] <cryojenx> HA!
[06:55] <Joit> cryojenx: may you try a different resolution from your screen ?
[06:55] <cryojenx> hmm, good idea Joit
[06:55] <jmichaelx> what is the exact problem you are having with your screen? also what card, what version of KDE?
[06:57] <cryojenx> whats happening is that i have an intel integrated chipset and desktop effects work beautifully, til i log out, when i try to log back in, it crashes on loading, kicks me back out to the login manager and i have to re-login, only now opengl is disabled
[06:57] <cryojenx> and its Oneiric
[06:58] <jmichaelx> cryojenx: have you gone to Settings Manager>Desktop Effects>Advanced, and disabled functionality checks?
[06:59] <cryojenx> lemme try that
[07:00] <Joit> lol, guess hes on reboo again
[07:00] <Joit> reboot
[07:00] <jmichaelx> lol apparently so... or restart KDE/X
[07:01] <cryojenx> Nope, still crashes
[07:01] <jmichaelx> damn
[07:02] <jmichaelx> you might also want to try disabling the 'blur' effect. i know that effect caused many problems for a long time, whether or not that is still so, i do not know
[07:02] <cryojenx> ive actually got everything unchecked except wobbly windows, guess i could uncheck that
[07:03] <cryojenx> brb again
[07:05] <cryojenx> wow, even with every effect unchecked, it still doesn't like me lol
[07:06] <Joit> well, its may only the driver, what lacks
[07:06] <Joit> another page http://anothersysadmin.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/ubuntu-904-and-uxa-acceleration-in-xorg/
[07:07] <cryojenx> lol that my exact computer model
[07:07] <jmichaelx> ach, you may just need to ask when more people are here (during the day, US time)... i am sure you will be able to getthings working
[07:08] <cryojenx> ya, its a work in progress
[07:08] <cryojenx> at least its a lot less of an issue than problems ive had with other distros, Fedora was a pain in the arse just to get simple crap working
[07:09] <Joit> lol
[07:09] <jmichaelx> fedora does not work with as much hardware, out of the box
[07:09] <Joit> its may a true hacking system, where you can hack with your keyboard
[07:10] <jmichaelx> a lot of that has to do with patent-encumbered drivers, etc
[07:10] <cryojenx> yeah, lesson learned. I tried it cause i was intrigued by the full disk encryption, but wasnt worth the hassle
[07:10] <Joit> just tells me i pick the right distro then :) at last i did like debian a lot at the beginning
[07:11] <cryojenx> brb
[07:11] <jmichaelx> debian is great... i just use ubuntuto more easily have cutting edge software.... debian stable can get boring on the desktop
[07:12] <jmichaelx> mixing debian stable with unstable, experimental, etc can get messy
[07:16] <Joit> yeah, i used debian as it was at 3, it was a mess but still more stable then anything else
[07:16] <Joit> and it was better organized anyhow
[07:22] <cryojenx> come to think of it... Desktop effects really aren't that big a deal, they take more ram and a better graphics card would just suck up more electricity. Think I'll leave it as is.
[07:22] <Joit> well its comfort, thats right
[07:23] <cryojenx> it's just my brain working overtime trying to solve a challenging puzzle, but sometimes its ok to just walk away
[07:25] <Joit> yeah intel crads are mostly a pain, and you cannot solve it, when there is no matching driver
[07:25] <Joit> its not a problem from configuring it, it simpel dont wrok
[07:26] <cryojenx> yeah
[07:26] <Joit> tht what i learend at my early debian :p
[07:26] <Joit> its still a probem too that intel doesnt have opensource drivers and someone need to figure it out
[07:26] <Joit> that is, what i been told
[07:27] <cryojenx> don't Nvidia and ATI have the same problem? proprietary drivers?
[07:28] <Joit> yeah but they gave out drivers for linux, and i figure, somenone looked into it, you only cannot copy her code
[07:28] <Joit> ati and nvidia anyhow support linux
[07:29] <Joit> at last they make drivers under linux
[07:29] <Joit> i dont think intel does do that
[07:30] <cryojenx> ya i think intel has too much vested interest in keeping an alliance with microsoft
[07:31] <Joit> yeah, i think they even stated that
[07:31] <Joit> i still try to get artweaver to work under wine, lol but missing tahoma or new times roman
[07:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Resistance:  are you there?
[08:23] <eshlox> hm, kubuntu 11.10, dvd drive not detect cd/dvd discs, eject works, system detect dvd.. http://pastebin.com/4p45EghH any ideas?
[09:14] <noaXess> hey and good morning
[09:15] <noaXess> i have a nfs connection, it works instead of setting file/folder times, if it has changed locally and i copy the file to the nfs share.. i get the error, that i can't change the file datetime... any idea how to enable that on the nfs server?
[09:16] <noaXess> same for permission..
[09:35] <howlymowly> hi poeple.  short question:  my printer applet does not start automatically anymore.. any idea why that's the case?
[09:36] <excognac> anybody can help with chm->pdf kinda problem?
[09:48] <swamjj> salve
[09:48] <swamjj> !list
[10:08] <alvin> he
[12:09] <ubuntu> hej
[12:16] <sebster> How do I make changes to my monitor settings permanent? I can't find anything useful. I know xrandr doesn't store things permanently and I've tried several tutorials none of which worked...
[12:16] <nokemon> hey
[12:16] <nokemon> kubuntu removed an old audio device, how do i bring it back? (can i delete some config in the system)
[12:18] <Peace-> sebster: ?
[12:19] <Peace-> sebster: nvidia?
[12:19] <Peace-> DemonWitch: ?
[12:19] <sebster> intel processor with onboard vid i3 530
[12:19] <Peace-> sebster: lspci | grep -i Vga
[12:19] <sebster> I can change the settings but can't make them persistent
[12:20] <DemonWitch> Peace-: i got a msg to delete an old audio device. i chose yes. now i want to bring it back
[12:20] <sebster> Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[12:20] <Peace-> DemonWitch: when you unplug a audio device system warn you
[12:20] <Peace-> DemonWitch: are you sure you have not unplugged ?
[12:20] <DemonWitch> Peace-: i didnt unplug anything
[12:20] <DemonWitch> those are internal devices
[12:20] <Peace-> DemonWitch: the device is working or is broken?
[12:20] <DemonWitch> you get a message from phonon said they are obsolet
[12:20] <DemonWitch> its working
[12:21] <Peace-> are you sure?
[12:21] <DemonWitch> dude this is normal. i had in in archlinux with kde
[12:21] <DemonWitch> this always happens with an upgrade
[12:21] <DemonWitch> thing is i want that device
[12:21] <Peace-> DemonWitch: create a new user
[12:21] <Peace-> test the system with a new user
[12:22] <DemonWitch> Peace-: i did
[12:22] <Peace-> sudo adduser test-audio
[12:22] <DemonWitch> it appears the changes are saved outside of home folder
[12:22] <Peace-> you have made a mess i guess
[12:22] <Peace-> what did you exactly do ?
[12:23] <DemonWitch> kde is stupid sometimes
[12:23] <DemonWitch> you are spammed at login
[12:23] <Peace-> no it's the user that doesn't know how to
[12:23] <DemonWitch> that a device is obsolete
[12:23] <DemonWitch> dude kde has some stupid features
[12:23] <DemonWitch> things like that dont happen at gnome
[12:23] <Peace-> ok change distro.
[12:23] <DemonWitch> and also i get that messege on all of my pcs on upgrades
[12:23] <Peace-> DemonWitch: use gnome.
[12:23] <DemonWitch> i will
[12:23] <Peace-> ok good luck
[12:24] <DemonWitch> so regarding kde bugs no problem
[12:25] <DemonWitch> always take the simple solution
[12:25] <DemonWitch> use something else
[12:25] <Peace-> ok good luck.
[12:26] <sebster> anybody on me screen pile of BS?
[12:26] <sebster> now I can't even edit my .xprofile file, it's read only despite correct permissions
[12:26] <sebster> wah
[12:27] <Peace-> sebster: what did you do ?
[12:27] <Peace-> omg
[12:27] <Peace-> guys ...
[12:27] <sebster> created a .xprofile file with the xrandr command in, like it said is some guide and it's not doing squat
[12:27] <sebster> this is kiling me
[12:27] <Peace-> some tutorial = messing the system
[12:28] <sebster> I've been on it for an hour trying to find a useful tutorial...
[12:28] <sebster> well yeah
[12:28] <Peace-> you have to read official tutorial
[12:28] <Peace-> not some tutorial
[12:28] <Peace-> sebster: first of all i will create a new user , second i will try to use systemsettings module to set your screen
[12:29] <sebster> there is no system settings that allows dual screen, is there?
[12:29] <Peace-> sebster: yes there is
[12:29] <sebster> where?
[12:29] <jdorsey> Anyone able to answer a simple ircd-hybrid / Konversation question?
[12:29] <Peace-> :S
[12:30] <Peace-> sebster: before i need to understand witch video card you have
[12:30] <Peace-> sebster: i have typed before
[12:30] <Peace-> lspci | grep -i vga
[12:30] <Peace-> please give the output
[12:30] <sebster> I pasted the output of that earlier:  Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[12:30] <Peace-> ok
[12:30] <Peace-> sebster: so now go on systemsettings
[12:31] <Peace-> sebster: there is top right  a search bar
[12:31] <Peace-> sebster: type monitor
[12:31] <Peace-> it will enable only a systemsettings icon
[12:31] <sebster> I'm a freakin retard... I'm in the wrong channel, apologies
[12:31] <Peace-> :S
[12:47] <Bagels> I am running a Dell Duo with an eGalax touchscreen.  Can anyone help me configure it?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:56] <roland> Hi. Can anyone recommend a laptop for *buntu, intended use is software development(embedded and other) so it should be reasonably fast to be able to compile software on site. I've had driver problems with most of the laptops I've tried, and i'm fed up with it. MAC and Win7 is not a solution.
[13:00] <Peace-> roland: mm
[13:00] <Peace-> well intel video card , first
[13:00] <Peace-> ati and nvidia maybe are better but for linux intel is well supported at least for video card
[13:00] <liquidat> The lenovos should be sufficient - as long as you do not go for hybrid graphics.
[13:00] <Peace-> +1 lenovo
[13:01] <alvin> I have to add that modern Lenovo's aren't as robust as 4/5 years ago. (but they are cheaper)
[13:03] <alvin> My 3 year old Lenovo T61p had to be sent back 6 times. Very nice graphic card, very dark screen. Battery died from 95% to 0% the day the warranty stopped.
[13:04] <Peace-> alvin: i had a toshiba
[13:04] <Peace-> intel based
[13:04] <Peace-> alvin: in the most of cases here in italy i can try linux on the laptop
[13:04] <Ddpbf> basically any laptop with
[13:04] <Peace-> before buy
[13:04] <Ddpbf> intel procesor will do fine
[13:04] <Ddpbf> newer series tough
[13:04] <Peace-> Ddpbf: no
[13:05] <Peace-> wifi ?
[13:05] <Peace-> acpi uspport?
[13:05] <Ddpbf> Peace:?
[13:05] <alvin> That specific Lenovo laptop, while having design troubles, works very well with Linux. nVidia only. Most laptops nowadays have  2 video cards. I don't know how Linux handles that.
[13:05] <Ddpbf> Intel procesors could be used as GPU
[13:05] <Ddpbf> too
[13:05] <Ddpbf> so there is no problems with drivers
[13:05] <Peace-> Ddpbf: ok so wifi ?
[13:05] <Peace-> webcam?
[13:05] <Ddpbf> Intel wifi is also
[13:05] <Ddpbf> open sourced
[13:06] <Peace-> not ever intel wifi works
[13:06] <Peace-> well
[13:06] <Ddpbf> *drivers for it
[13:06] <Ddpbf> Most of it works flawlessly
[13:06] <Peace-> ok generally speaking you can say that
[13:06] <Ddpbf> on other hand atheros, realtek and broadcom
[13:07] <Ddpbf> have more problematic chips
[13:07] <Ddpbf> That is my expirience with linux and laptops
[13:07] <roland> Peace-: most of the time the laptops need to be ordered, so not possible to try beforehand
[13:08] <Peace-> roland: yoiu are from ?
[13:08] <roland> estonia
[13:08] <szal> expirience?  what expired then? ;)
[13:08] <Peace-> ah lol
[13:08] <Peace-> szal: devil
[13:08] <Peace-> :P
[13:09] <roland> computer shops do not keep a big stock, everything is ordered from a bigger supplier and shipped overnight
[13:09] <Peace-> roland: btw intel is more compatible
[13:10] <Peace-> roland: you should see what you want ... then try to get some informations about the devices into the laptop
[13:11] <roland> last laptop/ubuntu intel video combination I tried had issues with a second monitor ( picture was wavy, depending of the amount of color white on screen or something )
[13:11] <roland> i think it was gma hd3xxxx
[13:12] <Peace-> roland: you can't be sure about your laptop unitil you have not tested
[13:12] <Peace-> it
[13:17] <BluesKaj> roland, http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[13:17] <roland> BluesKaj: that site is quite useless, tried it already
[13:17] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:18] <BluesKaj>  it helps to know what will work IMO , perhaps useless to you because your fav brand isn't included , but useful to others nonetheless
[13:19] <roland> BluesKaj: no, lenovo is on the list
[13:19] <roland> but it only lists 32bit, and doesn't say what doesn't work
[13:20] <roland> BluesKaj: like, what does this mean... 10.10 (Pre-installed only), when I download ubuntu from the web it won't work or what?
[13:22] <szal> sounds to me like the model listed came shipped w/ Maverick pre-installed and is tested w/ that but not w/ other versions
[13:24] <szal> roland: plus if there's a language barrier, #ubuntu-ee might be your place of choice (no idea if that even exists; if not, perhaps Finnish is similar enough to Estonian to get along in #ubuntu-fi)
[13:24] <gribouille> hi
[13:24] <gribouille> when will kde 4.7.4 packages be available?
[13:25] <Peace-> gribouille: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:25] <Peace-> gribouille: if you get updrade :) 4.7.4 will be ...
[13:25] <roland> ok, that site is not that useless, apparently it even lists what doesn't work on which version and hw inside, but still you need to click on every model to see what's what.
[13:25] <gribouille> Peace-, are the packages already available?
[13:25] <roland> szal: no language barrier
[13:25] <Peace-> gribouille: guess no
[13:26] <gribouille> Peace-, when will they be?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Peace-, yes you asked me to test it and I did , works fine :)
[13:26] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) i have upgraded
[13:27] <Peace-> now should be able to open backup files too if you want
[13:27] <Peace-> :D
[13:27] <szal> gribouille: probably best ask yofel that when he's on the machine
[13:30] <gribouille> for 4.7.3, it took 4 days between the kde release and the kubuntu release. why did it take som mutch time?
[13:30] <Peace-> gribouille: because is free?
[13:30] <Peace-> it's a lots of work
[13:30] <gribouille> Peace-, and?
[13:30] <yofel> lack of people working on it
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Peace-, so i need to replace the older version
[13:31] <gribouille> does kubuntu patch the kde packages a lot?
[13:31] <Peace-> BluesKaj: it overwrite it yes
[13:31] <Peace-> overwrites
[13:31] <yofel> and I can't really say when 4.7.4 will be out, other than "soon"
[13:31] <gribouille> yofel, do you have to patch the packages a lot?
[13:32] <yofel> not that much, but we still need to build and test all packages, and 4.7.4 isn't the ONLY thing on the todo list
[13:33] <Peace-> yofel: you do packages?
[13:33] <yofel> yes
[13:33] <Peace-> yofel: hihihi
[13:34] <gribouille> yofel, do you start packaging only when the release is official?
[13:35] <yofel> gribouille: no, before. Problem this time: there's barely anyone that has time to actually do something
[13:37] <Peace-> gribouille: anyway kde 4.7.4 is a minor release ...just few bugfix
[13:37] <gribouille> yofel, taht's good news :-(
[13:37] <Peace-> so you will see anything of new
[13:38] <gribouille> Peace-, sure, but fixing some bugs would be a great thing, because kde is severely buggy
[13:40] <Peace-> gribouille: ?
[13:40] <Peace-> i have not see n so much bugs here
[13:40] <Peace-> btw
[13:41] <gribouille> Peace-, you're lucky
[13:42] <Peace-> gribouille: the best thing you could do is report bugs...
[13:43] <gribouille> Peace-, I won't even bother
[14:23] <akSeya> hi filks
[14:23] <akSeya> folks
[14:26] <akSeya> guys.. i'm having the same problem as yesterday, but today I coudn't fix it .. windows are only shown in secondary display on my Notebook..
[14:27] <BluesKaj> suddenly realized ktorrent isn't loading my blocklist in the IP Filter ,,crashes the list and refuses to copy into the textbox ... any ideas?
[14:28] <roland> gribouille: how do the developers know anything is broken, if you won't tell them?
[14:28] <akSeya> I have LVDS1 (notebook screen) and HDMI1.. if I reboot kubuntu without HDMI1, 1) notebook screen does not get taskbar, 2) windows opens but are not shown in notebook screen. When I plug HDMI1 and configure it with xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto --output LVDS1 --auto --primary --below HDMI1: 1) taskbar and windows (all I tried to open before) are in HDMI1
[14:29] <akSeya> I did what BluesKaj told me yesterday, login with a new session.. also didn't work
[14:30] <akSeya> yesterday I removed ~/.kde/share/config/kwin* ~/.kde/share/config/session/kwin* ~/.kde/share/config/kdedrc ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[14:30] <akSeya> and it worked.. but I guess it was luck cause today I did the same thing and still have the problem
[14:30] <akSeya> at home I use another HDMI, my 40" TV.. here I use a 19" monitor
[14:30] <gribouille> roland, some people report bugs, ans their reports are completely ignored
[14:31] <BluesKaj> akSeya, well, it was advice that I'd seen previously for a similar problem as yours , since I haven't experienced it my self it's out of my expertise
[14:32] <BluesKaj> anyway BBL
[14:32] <roland> gribouille: we'll I have't seen a software project where reports do net get ignored.
[14:35] <akSeya> BluesKaj, look: klauncher(7411) kdemain: No DBUS session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server.
[14:35] <akSeya> kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
[14:35] <akSeya> kdmgreet(7405)/kdecore (K*TimeZone*): KSystemTimeZones: ktimezoned initialize() D-Bus call failed:  "Not connected to D-Bus server"
[14:35] <akSeya> ops.. sorry for the flood :S
[14:39] <akSeya> BRB
[14:45] <akSeya> I deleted the all ~/.kde/share/config and it worked again
[14:52] <mr0wl> hey all
[14:52] <mr0wl> any idea when KDE 4.7.4 will hit he PPAs?
[15:08] <Disqualified> how do i edit the tty terminal messages that appear when i console login ?
[15:25] <Disqualified> how  can i check the remaining free space of my root partition? (its also encrypted, but now its open that i use it)
[15:26] <Belial`> you can open dolphin and right click on the right side of it
[15:26] <Belial`> where the folders are
[15:26] <Belial`> select properties
[15:27] <Belial`> that'll tell you how much space is being used in the current folder along with sub folders, and how much space you have left on the drive.
[16:10] <andycc> Hello all! I have a small problem with Amarok (2.4.3/KDE 4.7.2) - I'd like to be able to close the lid and save some power when listening to music. However, Amarok doesn't prevent suspending. Any pointers on what I should do?
[16:11] <holstein> andycc: turn off suspend when the lid closes, and suspend manually as needed
[16:12] <andycc> holstein: I've gotten used to just closing the lid to suspend. Disabling that would be a massive downgrade in my workflow.
[16:12] <holstein> andycc: set the screen time out lower
[16:13] <holstein> maybe sleep the screen manually
[16:14] <andycc> holstein: I don't want to change my workflow just for the occasional moment of listening to music. You know what, I'll just update KDE to 4.7.4 from the PPA and see if that fixes it.
[16:15] <holstein> andycc: i would expect a rev in amarok to do that
[16:15] <holstein> andycc: you can manually sleep the screen.. the screen is as asleep as always, the lid is just up
[16:16] <holstein> same level of power consumption
[16:17] <andycc> holstein: lugging a laptop that has its lid open around the room is not exactly pleasant. I use non-wireless headphones.
[16:18] <holstein> andycc: you can always code/script something, otherwise, i would say choose your battles
[16:18] <andycc> Besides, alternative ways to do it aren't the solution I'm looking for. Does anyone know of an actual setting that I can change?
[16:18] <holstein> thats a wishlist bug at best
[16:18] <holstein> i personally would complain if it were the other way ;)
[16:33] <DaBaus> how can i run a bash command at boot always?
[16:35] <cire> hi, always when enabling kde classic mouse pointer design it gets reset to kubuntu default on restart. How do I avoid this? (oneiric)
[16:45] <noaXess> plasma-destop pocess: 10% cpu usage.. anytime..
[16:45] <noaXess> 10-15%
[16:47] <noaXess> aha: killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop solves it.. now 4-6%
[16:58] <FranklinL> algun brasileiro ae?
[16:58] <maco> !br
[17:09] <shinu> hai
[17:09] <van> Hi~
[17:17] <TheBuntu> Is kubuntu going to be just as fast on usb as on the hdd... Got a all in one pc... sence my desktop died... Going to take my 500 gig drive and use a usb to sata adpter
[17:19] <demytry> sera
[17:20] <DJAnonimo> i think i dont need knotify4 and I would like to know how to disable it on system startup...
[17:20] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help?
[17:21] <Resistance> TheBuntu:  the USB-to-SATA adapter will limit the transfer speeds to the USB max speed
[17:21] <Resistance> TheBuntu:  its easier to just install your hard drive into the new computer
[17:22] <TheBuntu> Resistance, its an All in One pc...monitor and computer in 1... only room for the hdd thats in it
[17:23] <Resistance> ohhh
[17:23] <Resistance> TheBuntu:  one of THOSE
[17:23] <Resistance> TheBuntu:  you're stuck with that USB transfer speed cap
[17:23] <Resistance> which is less than the direct SATA connection
[17:24] <TheBuntu> I know booting off the live usb stick... Kubuntu is pretty snappy... so just going to get usb speed then right
[17:27] <Resistance> TheBuntu:  mhm
[17:49] <Espirito> Hi people! My mouse be hidle very fast, 2 secunde, how change this?
[18:51] <mactalla> Anyone know if there's a PPA to get KDE 4.7.4?
[19:08] <ComputerGenious> How do you remove an invisible widget from your desktop?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ComputerGenious, invisible widget ? uhm , how do you know it's there ?
[19:25] <ComputerGenious> BluesKaj: I get three sets of unhidable notifications each time something happens
[19:26] <ComputerGenious> BluesKaj: I guess two of them are on the desktop
[19:29] <BluesKaj> they might be hidden behind the panel , you can move the panel around , then x them, ComputerGenious
[19:30] <ComputerGenious> They appear on the side opposite of the panel, hm
[21:04] <deltaomega> ciao
[21:10] <DJAnonimo> under "locale -a" i dont see my language charset... how can I install it....
[21:13] <genii-around> DJAnonimo: is package kde-l10n-de installed?
[21:14] <DJAnonimo> default packs of ubuntu+kubuntu pack
[21:16] <DJAnonimo> genii-around: just installing this pkg. hope it got croatian
[21:33] <DJAnonimo> genii-around: thanks! ive installed -hr version and works fine!
[21:34] <DJAnonimo> now how to start the system with this locatization it always go back to en_EN
[22:15] <iron> Hello :)
[22:16] <iron> Has someone here already used KVM to emulate Mac OS X or something :) ?
[22:17] <holstein> iron: i would try an apple channel... #mac ? something like that
[22:17] <iron> holstein: K. Thanks :)
[22:18] <iron> hmm
[22:18] <iron> No "hackintosh"
[22:18] <iron> Nice one :>
[22:18] <holstein> iron: hack all the tosh you choose, im just not sure you will get any help installing OSX in an ubuntu support channel
[22:19] <iron> Well, my issue isn't about OSX especially, more like why idn't my .img isn't recognized in the VM
[22:20] <iron> Thanks for answering though :)
[22:21] <holstein> iron: thats not kubuntu specific either, so you could ask around in the other potentially more busy support channels...
[22:22] <iron> I wish I could find another supporting channel :>
[22:24] <holstein> iron: maybe the one for KVM
[22:24] <iron> Yeah
[22:24] <iron> Found it
[22:24] <iron> #kvm on Freenode