[01:30] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[05:00] <johnnyzero> Hey guys. I have 3 bugs I found in Oneric. I was told they likely won't be fixed until Pangolin comes out. Here are the bugs in case anyone is interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/898245 , https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/898253 , https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/886449 . Thank you guys in advance for checking the bugs out.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:59] <gnomefreak> not sure i like the new theme. the icons are nice but theme is not
[14:03] <gnomefreak> and now we only have 4 choices for themes
[14:10] <airtonix> gnomefreak: we do? i thought we had alot more themes available than 4
[14:10] <airtonix> last time i looked on google there were more than 4 themes for gnome available. right now i have at least 12
[14:11] <gnomefreak> it doesnt seeem so anymore. open apperances at the bottom you will find high,low contrast, ambeance, and 1 other
[14:11] <gnomefreak> airtonix: yes i can install some, i am talking default
[14:11] <airtonix> pff default
[14:12] <airtonix> if i cared about default i wouldn't have bothered to look past the reality my mother painted for me
[14:13] <airtonix> all i care about is : can i still install gnome-shell on 12.04 ?
[14:13] <airtonix> with out compiling
[14:13] <gnomefreak> new users should not have to work all that hard to find themes since we carried more thaan 4 themes in past. me im not worried about i have plenty
[14:14] <gnomefreak> airtonix: yes you can
[14:14] <gnomefreak> Candidate: 3.2.1-0ubuntu1
[14:14] <gnomefreak>   Version table:
[14:14] <gnomefreak>      3.2.1-0ubuntu1 0
[14:14] <gnomefreak>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/universe i386 Packages
[14:16] <gnomefreak> gvfsd-http crashed with signal 5 in g_object_newv()   yay :(
[14:53] <gnomefreak> ok who knows how to change icon themes, im not seeing anywhere to do it. also i have found that gnome3/unity took away alot of our choices (cant adjust a lot of things) either default or nothing. for example screen savers
[14:53] <gnomefreak> brb smok
[14:53] <gnomefreak> smoke
[14:53] <mydogsname1srudy> no sceensaver there
[14:57] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, icon themes are changed using gnome-tweak-tool
[15:03] <gnomefreak> we are not going to get a choice for screensavers/icons and themes will be limited to pretty much what you have for defualt
[15:04]  * gnomefreak just asked
[15:05] <gnomefreak> gnome is really starting to tie our hands. wihndows has more choices when it comes to those settings
[15:06] <gnomefreak> maybe kde has more optioons when it comes to customizing Ubuntu
[15:07] <Trewas> it truly is the year of linux off the desktop
[15:08] <gnomefreak> its a sad day when you can customize more in win than lin
[15:10] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, do you use an old crt monitor, or a plasma monitor?
[15:10] <gnomefreak> lcd wide screen
[15:11] <bjsnider> there's no such thing as lcd burn-in, so you don't need a screensaver. next issue please?
[15:12] <bjsnider> i've got a bunch of theme/icon choices in gnome-tweak-tool
[15:13] <gnomefreak> need no want yes
[15:13] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: i installed it havent gotten to it yet though
[15:21] <bjsnider> i don't think it's appropriate to blame others because you can't have something you don't need
[15:22] <mydogsname1srudy> no blame just like having a screensaver i like the look of my picture folder flashing by
[15:22] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: what is the one thing linux allows you to do that windows doesnt? hint cusomize
[15:23] <bjsnider> this is the first i've heard of that
[15:26] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: are you saying that statment is false?
[15:26] <bjsnider> yes i am
[15:27] <gnomefreak> you can only customize windows so much due to licensing. Linux used to be and still may allow you to change a lot more than win. think custom kernel to start with
[15:28] <mydogsname1srudy> makes me think that "Ubuntu" is not going in that direction anymore
[15:28] <gnomefreak> mydogsname1srudy: its more gnome than ubuntu
[15:28] <mydogsname1srudy> ok
[15:29] <gnomefreak> lack of screensaver is gnome
[15:29] <gnomefreak> and im sure the rest is as well
[15:29] <mydogsname1srudy> so other desktops might be what we need to look at then
[15:29] <bjsnider> "everything is a file" is the main difference between the two
[15:29] <gnomefreak> i was going to test kde out for a while something this month
[15:30] <mydogsname1srudy> ack been gnome so long hard to change
[15:30] <gnomefreak> see and here i thought licensing was in the way
[15:30] <gnomefreak> but what do i know
[15:30] <mydogsname1srudy> must be a plugandplay thing
[15:30] <mydogsname1srudy> must work right out of the box
[15:30] <gnomefreak> mydogsname1srudy: install the tweek tool it will allow you to customize some more things
[15:30] <mydogsname1srudy> ya i looked at it
[15:31] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: either way file or license it still restricts customiziong a lot of windows items
[15:32] <bjsnider> it's impossible to organize a useful support system if the user can wreck the desktop by design
[15:32] <gnomefreak> but we are going a bit offtopic
[15:33] <mydogsname1srudy> offtopic ?  its all about changes
[15:33] <gnomefreak> mydogsname1srudy: not when it has to do with win
[15:37] <bjsnider> windows was always customizable with third-party theming technology. you could make it look like practically anything you want
[15:38] <bjsnider> but there was a resource cost because unlike with linux, you're just drawing the new icons and window borders overtop of the standard ones, as opposed to instead of the standard ones
[15:39] <mydogsname1srudy> i guess i dont see the end goal in mind here so hard to say if its the right direction
[15:39] <k013> hi guys, is the look changer being included in 12.04 LTS? just like the one in ZORIN OS!
[15:44]  * gnomefreak not sure what you mean by "look changer" is it just another gui to change themes,icons,screensaver,ect....?
[15:48] <k013> @gnomefreak - oh hey, thank for the reply! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHCDU-CUoaQ the guy in this video speaks about an easy way for windows people to move to linux. so he describes how zorin can simply change the look and feel to be like windows 7 or mac, this could be very good for converts!
[15:50] <gnomefreak> k013: i doubt it but dont me to that since im not positive.
[15:50] <gnomefreak> ok im out things to do
[15:53] <k013> @gnomefreak - ok thank you anyway, just for a moment there after the video i got really excited!
[15:53] <FernandoMiguel> oias
[16:18] <bjsnider> mydogsname1srudy, what do you mean by "end goal"?
[16:20] <bjsnider> "zorin os", what did they do, name it after the psychotic bad guy from "a view to a kill"?
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> $ fdupes -LSD
[16:32] <mydogsname1srudy> bjsnider,  were gnome is heading is what a mean,  they must have something in mind
[16:33] <bjsnider> creating the perfect desktop environment
[16:37] <mydogsname1srudy> http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-activate-screen-saver-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[16:37] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[19:17] <WaltherFI> I'm not getting to the login screen when booting - halts with boot log visible with everything [ ok ]
[19:17] <WaltherFI> Where should I look for what happens?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> prompt?
[19:20] <WaltherFI> I am irccing from the TTY6, so yes, I have terminal
[19:20] <WaltherFI> Where are the useful logs for this kind of case?
[19:21] <genii-around> WaltherFI: Probably /var/log/Xorg.0.log in this case, since X isn't starting
[19:22] <trism> WaltherFI: the logs in /var/log/lightdm/ are also a good place to look
[19:23] <WaltherFI> let's see
[19:23] <WaltherFI> in Xorg, "fatal error - no screens found" haha
[19:24] <genii-around> Probably you were using proprietary video driver before the upgrade, it didn't get updated.
[19:25] <WaltherFI> I did a clean install to the alpha1
[19:25] <WaltherFI> and I've never got to te X, even after updates
[19:25] <genii-around> WaltherFI: Nvidia card?
[19:25] <WaltherFI> genii-around: yep, let me check the version
[19:26] <WaltherFI> ION LE VGA
[19:26] <WaltherFI> rev b1
[19:27] <WaltherFI> laptop is Samsung N510
[19:27] <genii-around> WaltherFI: You could try grub option of nouveau.modeset=0  and see if you get some viable video mode
[19:30] <edgy> hi, iptables -L shows many rules, where are they coming from?
[19:30] <WaltherFI> added that to default options in /etc/default/grub, updating grub and rebooting
[19:33] <WaltherFI> genii-around: no luck, still no X
[19:33] <WaltherFI> hm. further reading the logs
[19:33] <WaltherFI> "failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module"
[19:34] <genii-around> WaltherFI: Suggest then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[19:34] <WaltherFI> instaling nvidia-current
[19:34] <WaltherFI> yep
[19:35] <WaltherFI> this should perhaps be filed, not getting to the x at all without the drivers
[19:43] <WaltherFI> did not solve, still not starting
[19:44] <WaltherFI> still getting the same error, no kernel module loaded though I just installed nvidia-current
[19:44] <genii-around> WaltherFI: Another time I had similar symptoms but it was not the nvidia driver itself but rather version mismatches within the X packages where nvidia driver wanted abi version 12 but xorg was only providing 11 and 13
[19:46] <WaltherFI> ...I actually recall similar problems in the past with my desktop - was it 10.04 or 10.10
[19:47] <WaltherFI> the driver had a different version than described by the installation package or the config files, can't remember which way
[19:47] <WaltherFI> I didn't fix it myself but it got resolved through some updates
[19:49] <WaltherFI> hm. sudo nvidia-xconfig produced an warning: x config file was not found, a file was created at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:49] <WaltherFI> Interesting.
[19:50] <bjsnider> WaltherFI, what does dkms status get you?
[19:50] <WaltherFI> nvidia-173, 173.14.30: added
[19:51] <bjsnider> added
[19:51] <bjsnider> not good enough
[19:51] <bjsnider> needs to say installed
[19:51] <WaltherFI> nvidia-current, 285.05.09, kernel v, installed
[19:51] <bjsnider> what card is this?
[19:51] <WaltherFI> sorry, slow typing
[19:51] <WaltherFI> ION,
[19:52] <bjsnider> ok, so you shouldn't use nvidia-173
[19:52] <bjsnider> remove that
[19:52] <bjsnider> try modprobe nvidia
[19:52] <WaltherFI> I just installed -current, shouldn't that work?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> WaltherFI, run sudo nvidia-xconfig , then reboot
[19:55] <bjsnider> if you install nvidia-current using jockey, it creates an xorg.conf
[19:56] <WaltherFI> brb
[19:56] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, you still have to run nvidia-xconfig , for the nvidia gui
[19:56] <bjsnider> no you don't
[19:57] <BluesKaj> well, I did
[19:57] <bjsnider> in fact you shouldn't run it because it might create an out-of-date xorg.conf with showstopping things in it
[19:58] <bjsnider> xorg.confs vary across different distributions, so the one in fedora, for example, is a bit different than the ubuntu one
[19:58] <WaltherFI> reinstalled -current, ran -xconfig, rebooted and not working
[19:59] <WaltherFI> modprobe nvidia returns "fatal: module nvidia_173 not found"
[19:59] <bjsnider> remove nvidia-173
[20:00] <BluesKaj> that's an old module/driver
[20:01] <WaltherFI> removed, modprobed nvidia and started lightdm
[20:02] <WaltherFI> what should I do next with the drivers?
[20:02] <BluesKaj> WaltherFI, admin>additional drivers. choose the recommended one
[20:03] <BluesKaj> and activate it if needed
[20:03] <WaltherFI> ...isn't the recommended one "nvidia-current"?
[20:03] <bjsnider> WaltherFI, in lsmod, is nvidia there?
[20:03] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I think they're still stuck at command-line for the moment :)
[20:04] <BluesKaj> WaltherFI, depends on your card . if it's realtively new then it should be the -current
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ok genii-around , thanks
[20:04] <WaltherFI> No, I got t the desktop now
[20:04] <WaltherFI> but isn't that information kind of self-contradicting?
[20:05] <WaltherFI> First you said that nvidia-173 is old and should not be used
[20:05] <WaltherFI> ...but that's the one I got by installing -current
[20:05] <WaltherFI> or am I getting something wrong?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> no, some drivers are listed as options , but aren't necessarily the recommended drivers
[20:05] <bjsnider> no it wasn't the one you got by installing -current
[20:05] <bjsnider> you instaleld 2 drivers
[20:06] <bjsnider> WaltherFI, what does modinfo nvidia_current get you?
[20:06] <bjsnider> actually run this: modinfo nvidia_current| grep version
[20:06] <genii-around> WaltherFI: nvidia-current does not install the 173 version but the 285.05.09 one
[20:08] <WaltherFI> Should I install version-current or version-current-updates from jockey?
[20:09] <bjsnider> you should give me the info i asked for
[20:10] <WaltherFI> the only "version" grepped is modversions 686
[20:11] <bjsnider> alright, now dkms status again
[20:11] <WaltherFI> piped to less, do you mean alias: char-major-195-
[20:11] <WaltherFI> 285.05.09
[20:11] <WaltherFI> from dkms status
[20:12] <WaltherFI> and installed
[20:12] <bjsnider> nvidia-173 no longer shows up in dkms status?
[20:12] <WaltherFI> No
[20:12] <bjsnider> ok, restart x. log out, log back in
[20:13] <WaltherFI> done
[20:13] <ubuntubhoy> anyone able to help with a small prob - netbook wont remember screen settings (starts as 1024x768 instead of 1366x768) login  is fine, its just when the desktop loads
[20:14] <WaltherFI> bjsnider: anything else that shold be done with the drivers or am I fine?
[20:14] <bjsnider> WaltherFI, now you should be using nvidia, so try glxinfo|grep vendor
[20:14] <bjsnider> should be nvidia corporation
[20:15] <WaltherFI> yep
[20:16] <bjsnider> then there's nothing more to do
[20:16] <WaltherFI> Thanks a lot
[20:16] <WaltherFI> (continue testing!)
[20:19] <BluesKaj> enable desktop effects , WaltherFI , if you wish
[20:19]  * bjsnider wishes everybody would stay out of the way when i'm trying to support an nvidia user
[20:20] <WaltherFI> hm... still not smooth 1080p playback :/
[20:20] <WaltherFI> ...and apparently I'm losing my mouse every now and then
[20:20] <WaltherFI> yep, lost the pointer
[20:21] <genii-around> What I find curious is that on a clean install it would somehow want to install the nvidia-173
[20:22] <WaltherFI> sudo cat /dev/input/mouse0 does not show up anything even though moving my finger on the trackpad
[20:22] <WaltherFI> it worked for like a minute or two
[20:22] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, next time just say so before the rest of us try to help ...altho I have helped plenty of ppl with nvidia graphics , since I run 3 pcs with nvidia cards
[20:23] <bjsnider> raise your hands if you package the nvidia driver for ubuntu users in the official x-updates ppa
[20:23]  * bjsnider raises hand
[20:23] <WaltherFI> I've had problems with nvidia too - since 2006 :D
[20:23] <FernandoMiguel> _o_ bjsnider
[20:24] <WaltherFI> Hm. Anyone have an idea why my mouse fails?
[20:25] <WaltherFI> keyboard works fine, but the trackpad doesn't - and I don't have a disable button for the trackpad
[20:26] <bjsnider> does it disappear if you use a usb mouse?
[20:27] <WaltherFI> ...I'm not sure if i have a working one atm
[20:27] <WaltherFI> I used to use a wacom tablet with my desktop - and I sold my desktop last spring
[20:28] <WaltherFI> I can actually see the pointer/cursor, and it even changes its appearance depending on whether it is in top of a text field or plain desktop - when changing between the desktops, that is
[20:28] <WaltherFI> but the trackpad shows no response
[20:34] <WaltherFI> bjsnider: Do you have any idea why my laptop used to play 720p smooth but now there's no hope (since 11.04 or 11.10)
[20:35] <WaltherFI> and this gpu should run 1080p
[20:35] <bjsnider> you're not using vdpau would be my guess
[20:35] <bjsnider> what player are you using?
[20:35] <WaltherFI> How to enable vdpau?
[20:35] <WaltherFI> totem and vlc
[20:36] <bjsnider> don't answer a question with a question
[20:36] <bjsnider> ok, try mplayer2
[20:36] <bjsnider> use gnome-mplayer as the frontend
[20:36] <bjsnider> you can grab the one from my ppa if you want the latest version
[20:37] <bjsnider> try it from the console:
[20:37] <bjsnider> mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau -ao pulse movie.mkv
[20:39] <WaltherFI> oh wow, it actually played 1080p really smooth
[20:39] <WaltherFI> not sure if I can believe what just happened :D
[20:39] <WaltherFI> I've been suffering from this for from 11.04 or so
[20:39] <WaltherFI> Thanks!
[20:40] <bjsnider> totem doesn't support vdpau
[20:40] <WaltherFI> Now, is there a way to make let's say, vlc run this vdpau
[20:40] <bjsnider> vlc uses vaapi
[20:40] <bjsnider> you have to have libva1 and vdpau-video installed
[20:41] <bjsnider> then you have to enable gpu accel in vlc's nebulous menus
[20:42] <WaltherFI> note: selecting vdpau-va-driver instead of vdpau-video
[20:42] <bjsnider> that's fine
[20:42] <bjsnider> http://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_GPU_Decoding
[20:42] <WaltherFI> ok
[20:43] <bjsnider> vlc is not as efficient as the other players and will use a bit more of the ion chip
[20:43] <bjsnider> 30-50% i'd say
[20:43] <bjsnider> totem uses multithreading, so if you have a modern gpu like a core 2 duo you're fine
[20:44] <WaltherFI> heh, this is only slightly more powerful than the average netbooks a year ago
[20:44] <bjsnider> that's why it failed to work
[20:45] <WaltherFI> okay, now do you have any idea in where can I enable vdpau in vlc settings?
[20:46] <bjsnider> i sent you the link
[20:46] <bjsnider> for maximum power saving when playing back hd content i'd recommend mplayer2 from the cli
[20:47] <bjsnider> it's an mplayer fork specifically designed and optimized for vpdau
[20:47] <WaltherFI> okay
[20:49] <WaltherFI> Well, is there a way then to make vdpau default?
[20:49] <WaltherFI> I installed mplayer2
[20:49] <bjsnider> yes, using an mplayer config file
[20:49] <bjsnider> those are available on the web, you can see lots of samples
[20:50] <WaltherFI> ...and then making mplayer default for opening the certain types of files, I see
[20:50] <WaltherFI> thanks a lot
[20:51] <bjsnider> totem will use vaapi if you buy the fluendo codec pack
[20:53] <WaltherFI> and yes, it was slower with vlc
[20:53] <WaltherFI> 'slower' implying smaller framerate
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> the power of $ fdupes -LSD:
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> from 615006 MB
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> to 586688 MB
[21:13] <dbristow> So, I downloaded a new copy of the MD5SUMS and SHAxSUMs for precise pangolin, and also downloaded the precise-preinstalled-desktop-armel+ac100.bootimg, the hashes don't verify again.  I downloaded them from cdimage.ubuntu.com, presumably the correct place to get them from.
[21:13] <dbristow> Every other file I downloaded passes the hashes.
[21:19] <WaltherFI> bjsnider: now this might sound like a stupid question - but is there a way to force vdpau / GPU decoding on flash player?
[21:19] <bjsnider> yes
[21:19] <bjsnider> but you'll crash your browser and maybe more than that
[21:19] <WaltherFI> ...because it would be nice to be able to play youtube videos over 480p
[21:19] <bjsnider> so i'm not going there
[21:19] <WaltherFI> hm
[21:20] <WaltherFI> i wish youtube had its html5 section fully up and running
[21:20] <bjsnider> it does
[21:21] <bjsnider> you just opt in
[21:22] <WaltherFI> well, last time I checked it was very limited and everything depended on the uploaded video
[21:22] <dbristow> I used both ncftp and wget to retrieve that one file, both copies I downloaded were identical
[21:23] <bjsnider> the only videos that still need flash are the ones with embedded ads