[02:08] <wendar> It seems I missed MrChrisDruif by about 20 mins :(
[02:16] <wendar> I'll email him so he gets a reply...
[07:54] <AlanBell> hmm, I see an interesting problem with this design process and what is going on with the 4digits thing on google docs
[07:55] <AlanBell> the only comment so far is a circle round the quit button and comment that it needs a clearer icon
[07:55] <AlanBell> no, it doesn't!
[07:55] <AlanBell> arguably the GTK-STOCK-QUIT icon in the human theme could be improved http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/2.90/gtk3-Stock-Items.html#GTK-STOCK-QUIT:CAPS
[07:56] <AlanBell> but changing the icon on one application to something a designer might think is more quitish for that application is the wrong thing to do
[07:59] <AlanBell> you could move the buttons about, add text to them (which increases the translation effort) or remove it altogether (the window has a close button) but messing with icons because you don't like the stock icon makes an inconsistent desktop and applications that don't honour icon theme changes
[08:00] <AlanBell> also that kind of thinking breaks accessibility when people decide not to use standard widgets
[08:01] <AlanBell> anyone even tested what orca reads that button as?
[09:30] <mainerror> AlanBell: Uhm, where is that design review process?
[12:10] <alourie> hello
[12:13] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha alourie
[12:17] <alourie> hi MrChrisDruif
[12:17] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[12:18] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: great
[12:18] <MrChrisDruif> Good to hear =)
[12:18] <alourie> I'm working on QA wiki update, and we kind of miss couple of icons
[12:18] <alourie> who can we talk to about this?
[12:19] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know. What kind of icons are you missing?
[12:25] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: well, we need a calendar one
[12:26] <alourie> so, I used "notes" here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexLourie/QAWikiNew
[12:27] <alourie> but, I think scheduling pictogram should be better for it
[12:28] <MrChrisDruif> You know three of the 5 icons are scrollable?
[12:29] <MrChrisDruif> You forgot to set the width
[12:29] <MrChrisDruif> I think
[12:30] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, you forgot to set the width of those three
[12:30]  * MrChrisDruif is wiki-guru at times
[12:32] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: yea, I will fix them
[12:32] <alourie> thanks :-), I didn't know why does this happen
[12:33] <MrChrisDruif> Oh my gosh, I didn't knew we had so many icons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage
[12:34] <MrChrisDruif> alourie; I think it's due to you using svg icons
[12:34] <MrChrisDruif> This link is more helpfull on the wiki pages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage
[12:35] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: but this is so...Gnome 1
[12:35] <alourie> maybe 2 :-)
[12:35] <alourie> we're in orange age now
[12:35] <MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage#Pictograms
[12:36] <MrChrisDruif> There
[12:36] <alourie> it's just one!
[12:36] <alourie> we need more!
[12:38] <alourie> I wonder where would I find SVG/PNG guru for fixing up a schedule pictogram
[12:39] <alourie> AH!!!
[12:39] <alourie> got it
[12:39] <alourie> here http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/ubuntu-pictograms
[12:39] <MrChrisDruif> It's just one?
[12:39] <MrChrisDruif> It's a whole list
[12:40] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: I'll cut and paste one from there
[12:41] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, here is a whole list of svg's http://design.canonical.com/brand/Pictograms/SVG_files/HEX/UBUNTU_ORANGE_HEX/
[12:42] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: yea, got thise
[12:42] <alourie> those
[12:43] <MrChrisDruif> Here are them in png: http://design.canonical.com/brand/Pictograms/PNG_files/HEX/UBUNTU_ORANGE_HEX/
[12:44] <alourie> got them too :-)
[12:44] <alourie> is using pngs better than svgs in wiki?
[12:45] <MrChrisDruif> Well, the first one of your banner was a png, and you didn't have to set the width for it I noticed
[12:45] <MrChrisDruif> I think all those icons should be referable in the wiki btw.
[12:46] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: they are
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> I'll add it on the "to-do" list of the Design team
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> Not all I think
[12:46] <alourie> well, I attached them myself, I think they need to have their own page, yes
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> There are 60 in total
[12:46] <alourie> so using them would be convenient
[12:47] <MrChrisDruif> But https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage#Pictograms only lists 13
[12:48] <MrChrisDruif> And also add creating a calendar one =)
[12:48] <alourie> wow, awesome
[12:49] <alourie> In general, I could add it, right?
[12:49] <MrChrisDruif> If you create one (you've got the guidelines) then sure
[12:50] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: well, I just copy one from the spreadubuntu
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> alourie; here are the guidelines described: http://spreadubuntu.org/files/pict7005.png
[12:52] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: sure, so if I only cat and paste one, would that count?
[12:52] <alourie> s/cat/cut/
[12:52] <MrChrisDruif> I see leogg already made one for calendar
[12:52] <alourie> exactly
[12:54] <MrChrisDruif> Well, for now it's alright if you take that. But please keep hanging around, I've got an idea for calendar which doesn't point it to the "19th"
[12:55] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: oh, great
[12:55] <alourie> would that be soon :-) ?
[12:56] <MrChrisDruif> I hope so, but I'll also add it to the projects
[12:57] <alourie> great
[12:57] <alourie> thank you very much
[12:58] <alourie> MrChrisDruif:  if I'm not here when you have it, I'd appreciate if you ping me on QA maillist or through other QA folks :-)
[12:58] <alourie> not urgent though
[12:58] <alourie> but ideally before P cycle ends :-)
[12:59] <MrChrisDruif> alourie; got an IRC channel you hang around in a lot?
[12:59] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: sure, -bugs, -testing, -brainstorm and -community-team are usually the ones I'm constantly around
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> I'll add all current icons at least before P cycle ends. I hope that the calendar icon I've got in mind also is finished before that
[13:00] <alourie> unless my computer is rebooting :-)
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> -community-team?
[13:00] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: thank you very very much :-)
[13:00] <alourie> yes, #ubuntu-community-team
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> Is that channel for members only?
[13:01] <alourie> just prefix all those with #ubuntu-, and I'm mostly surely there
[13:01] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: no, general public is also welcome
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I'll lurk in that channel as well
[13:01] <alourie> thanks a bunch
[13:06] <mhall119> http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2011/12/gnome-games-modernisation.html
[13:06] <mhall119> might be of interest to this team
[13:07] <mhall119> and a good opportunity to contribute design work upstream
[13:08] <MrChrisDruif> alourie; you've updated the banner, good job =)
[13:09] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: yes, I have
[13:09] <alourie> thank you
[13:09] <alourie> compare it to the current one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/
[13:09] <alourie> see what I mean ? ;-)
[13:10] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[13:11] <MrChrisDruif> No more bug-squad?
[13:13] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; looks indeed interesting
[13:14] <MrChrisDruif> Even development work even
[13:14] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: there are, it's just we're splitting
[13:14] <MrChrisDruif> Alright =) I was just missing it in the new banner
[13:14] <alourie> there is going to be BugSquad and QA
[13:15] <alourie> QA Team would handle Quality in Ubuntu and cooperate with other teams as necessary
[13:15] <alourie> such as BugSquad :-)
[13:15] <alourie> but from now on, they quite separate
[13:15] <alourie> s/they/they are/
[13:16] <alourie> anyway
[13:16] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[13:16] <alourie> thank you for the pictograms
[13:16] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome
[13:18] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; shall I add your link to the projects page?
[13:18] <MrChrisDruif> Projects-part* of the page?
[13:46] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: if it's something the team wants to look into, sure
[13:51] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; and it's up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam
[14:18] <mhall119> cool, thanks
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> Good evening everyone