[02:08] It seems I missed MrChrisDruif by about 20 mins :( [02:16] I'll email him so he gets a reply... [07:54] hmm, I see an interesting problem with this design process and what is going on with the 4digits thing on google docs [07:55] the only comment so far is a circle round the quit button and comment that it needs a clearer icon [07:55] no, it doesn't! [07:55] arguably the GTK-STOCK-QUIT icon in the human theme could be improved http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/2.90/gtk3-Stock-Items.html#GTK-STOCK-QUIT:CAPS [07:56] but changing the icon on one application to something a designer might think is more quitish for that application is the wrong thing to do [07:59] you could move the buttons about, add text to them (which increases the translation effort) or remove it altogether (the window has a close button) but messing with icons because you don't like the stock icon makes an inconsistent desktop and applications that don't honour icon theme changes [08:00] also that kind of thinking breaks accessibility when people decide not to use standard widgets [08:01] anyone even tested what orca reads that button as? [09:30] AlanBell: Uhm, where is that design review process? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|macslow === MacSlow|macslow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:10] hello [12:13] Aloha alourie [12:17] hi MrChrisDruif [12:17] How's it going? [12:18] MrChrisDruif: great [12:18] Good to hear =) [12:18] I'm working on QA wiki update, and we kind of miss couple of icons [12:18] who can we talk to about this? [12:19] I don't know. What kind of icons are you missing? [12:25] MrChrisDruif: well, we need a calendar one [12:26] so, I used "notes" here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexLourie/QAWikiNew [12:27] but, I think scheduling pictogram should be better for it [12:28] You know three of the 5 icons are scrollable? [12:29] You forgot to set the width [12:29] I think [12:30] Yup, you forgot to set the width of those three [12:30] * MrChrisDruif is wiki-guru at times [12:32] MrChrisDruif: yea, I will fix them [12:32] thanks :-), I didn't know why does this happen [12:33] Oh my gosh, I didn't knew we had so many icons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage [12:34] alourie; I think it's due to you using svg icons [12:34] This link is more helpfull on the wiki pages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage [12:35] MrChrisDruif: but this is so...Gnome 1 [12:35] maybe 2 :-) [12:35] we're in orange age now [12:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage#Pictograms [12:36] There [12:36] it's just one! [12:36] we need more! [12:38] I wonder where would I find SVG/PNG guru for fixing up a schedule pictogram [12:39] AH!!! [12:39] got it [12:39] here http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/ubuntu-pictograms [12:39] It's just one? [12:39] It's a whole list [12:40] MrChrisDruif: I'll cut and paste one from there [12:41] Btw, here is a whole list of svg's http://design.canonical.com/brand/Pictograms/SVG_files/HEX/UBUNTU_ORANGE_HEX/ [12:42] MrChrisDruif: yea, got thise [12:42] those [12:43] Here are them in png: http://design.canonical.com/brand/Pictograms/PNG_files/HEX/UBUNTU_ORANGE_HEX/ [12:44] got them too :-) [12:44] is using pngs better than svgs in wiki? [12:45] Well, the first one of your banner was a png, and you didn't have to set the width for it I noticed [12:45] I think all those icons should be referable in the wiki btw. [12:46] MrChrisDruif: they are [12:46] I'll add it on the "to-do" list of the Design team [12:46] Not all I think [12:46] well, I attached them myself, I think they need to have their own page, yes [12:46] There are 60 in total [12:46] so using them would be convenient [12:47] But https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage#Pictograms only lists 13 [12:48] And also add creating a calendar one =) [12:48] wow, awesome [12:49] In general, I could add it, right? [12:49] If you create one (you've got the guidelines) then sure [12:50] MrChrisDruif: well, I just copy one from the spreadubuntu [12:51] alourie; here are the guidelines described: http://spreadubuntu.org/files/pict7005.png [12:52] MrChrisDruif: sure, so if I only cat and paste one, would that count? [12:52] s/cat/cut/ [12:52] I see leogg already made one for calendar [12:52] exactly [12:54] Well, for now it's alright if you take that. But please keep hanging around, I've got an idea for calendar which doesn't point it to the "19th" [12:55] MrChrisDruif: oh, great [12:55] would that be soon :-) ? [12:56] I hope so, but I'll also add it to the projects [12:57] great [12:57] thank you very much [12:58] MrChrisDruif: if I'm not here when you have it, I'd appreciate if you ping me on QA maillist or through other QA folks :-) [12:58] not urgent though [12:58] but ideally before P cycle ends :-) [12:59] alourie; got an IRC channel you hang around in a lot? [12:59] MrChrisDruif: sure, -bugs, -testing, -brainstorm and -community-team are usually the ones I'm constantly around [13:00] I'll add all current icons at least before P cycle ends. I hope that the calendar icon I've got in mind also is finished before that [13:00] unless my computer is rebooting :-) [13:00] -community-team? [13:00] MrChrisDruif: thank you very very much :-) [13:00] yes, #ubuntu-community-team [13:01] Is that channel for members only? [13:01] just prefix all those with #ubuntu-, and I'm mostly surely there [13:01] MrChrisDruif: no, general public is also welcome [13:01] Alright, I'll lurk in that channel as well [13:01] thanks a bunch [13:06] http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2011/12/gnome-games-modernisation.html [13:06] might be of interest to this team [13:07] and a good opportunity to contribute design work upstream [13:08] alourie; you've updated the banner, good job =) [13:09] MrChrisDruif: yes, I have [13:09] thank you [13:09] compare it to the current one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ [13:09] see what I mean ? ;-) [13:10] Yup [13:11] No more bug-squad? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:13] mhall119; looks indeed interesting [13:14] Even development work even [13:14] MrChrisDruif: there are, it's just we're splitting [13:14] Alright =) I was just missing it in the new banner [13:14] there is going to be BugSquad and QA [13:15] QA Team would handle Quality in Ubuntu and cooperate with other teams as necessary [13:15] such as BugSquad :-) [13:15] but from now on, they quite separate [13:15] s/they/they are/ [13:16] anyway [13:16] =) [13:16] thank you for the pictograms [13:16] Your welcome [13:18] mhall119; shall I add your link to the projects page? [13:18] Projects-part* of the page? [13:46] MrChrisDruif: if it's something the team wants to look into, sure [13:51] mhall119; and it's up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam [14:18] cool, thanks === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [20:34] Good evening everyone