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tbruff13how do i add myself to the list for the next meeting01:40
tbruff13I am a high school student who is doing a senior project on Ubuntu I will be trying to convert my entire parish to Ubuntu01:41
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tbruff13is anyone here01:54
tbruff13can someone help01:54
JackyAlcinetbruff13: Subscribe to the calendar : http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar01:59
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ogra_moo15:01
ppisatio/15:02
GrueMastersnort.15:06
infinity*shifty look*15:06
* ahs3 yawns15:07
ogra_well, despite our chair person missing, lets get started15:07
ogra_#startmeeting ubuntu-arm15:08
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Dec  8 15:08:02 2011 UTC.  The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.15:08
meetingologyAvailable commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired15:08
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ogra_agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/2011120815:08
ogra_seems ther are no action items15:08
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ogra_:)15:08
ogra_so lets go over the standing items ...15:08
ogra_[topic] spec status, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html15:09
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ogra_doesnt look bad ... are all specs on there now ?15:09
ogra_shout if you are missing any15:09
infinityI should probably fill in some work items on my specs before I get yelled at, shouldn't I?15:09
ogra_might help15:10
infinityAnd I should break the livefs-in-soyuz WI out of image-pipeline into a spec. :/15:10
infinityCause, well, a month of work isn't a WI.15:10
ogra_also make sure they are approved, have a prio and are assigned to precise by davidm15:10
GrueMasterMy bare-metal spec is still under review.15:10
ogra_poke davidm please, once he is back15:11
GrueMasterNot that it matters much.  It was mainly designed to be informational.15:11
ogra_i really would like to have the tracker working before i start my vacation in a week15:11
infinityogra_: I'm on holidays in a week and a day.  Can I count on you to bug me to make sure my specs are sane before that?15:11
infinity(Today's a bit too busy on the armhf porting front for me to do too much paperwork/drafting)15:11
ogra_infinity, will try to, i'm on vac. from 19th on myself15:11
ogra_moving on then ...15:12
infinityogra_: From the 16th here. :)15:12
ogra_well, thats the same :P15:12
infinityogra_: No, as in, I'm taking the 16th off.15:12
ogra_[topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)15:12
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ogra_aha ... yeah, ok, thats different15:12
ogra_Daviey, any server news (since NCommander seems to have vanished off the face of the earth)15:13
* ogra_ suspects not ...15:13
ogra_well, lets move on ... we can come back to it if someone serverish shows up15:14
ogra_[topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)15:14
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ppisatiarmhf support has hit the archive (as you may have noticed)15:14
ppisatiand 3.2.0-x too15:14
ogra_apart from mx5 i think15:14
infinityHas anyone taken the 3.2 omap4 for a solid spin on a Panda yet?15:14
* ahs3 is server-ish but has no news15:14
ppisatiinfinity: i found a bug this morning15:15
ppisatiogra_: mx5? is it community supported or what?15:15
ogra_ppisati, linaro15:15
infinityNow that mine's not stuck building ghc, I can make it grumpy with 3.2 and armhf.15:15
infinityppisati: Yay bugs.  Is it any worse than the ones we currently have? :)15:15
ppisatiinfinity: panic on reboot if a usbhdd is used, i already pushed a new kernel with an ext4 fix and that too15:15
ppisatiif pulling the cord on reboot is not a problem, feel free to update now15:16
ogra_we only provide SD images anyway ... just ignore it :P15:16
infinityppisati: Snazzy.  I need to test if 3.2.x fixes all my NPTL/TLS woes, and I suspect it will, from what markos has been saying.15:16
ppisatielse, wait until tomorrow15:16
ppisatiok15:16
GrueMasterNo, don't ignore it!15:16
ogra_heh15:16
* ogra_ wasnt serious 15:16
ppisatiogra_: do you want me to do the armhf stuff for mx5?15:16
janimosorry fior being late, hhello15:16
ogra_ppisati, ask jcrigby15:16
ppisatiok15:17
infinityppisati: Should be jcrigby's alley, no?15:17
ogra_janimo, np15:17
janimoppisati, is that not linaro task?15:17
ogra_janimo, i guess john appreciated help15:17
janimozalong with a 3.0 kernel for mx5 whic I hear is available15:17
infinityAnyhow, we're in no huge rush on mx5/armhf.  We have Panda and ac100 to play with.15:17
* ppisati leaves the mx5 to its destiny...15:17
GrueMasterI would assume we want armHF on mx5, since everything else is moving off armel.15:17
ppisati:)15:17
ogra_and we would appreciate being able to build images :)15:17
infinityAnd lots of bugs to shake out.15:17
ogra_yeah15:17
ogra_GrueMaster, we do, but we're suddenly so ahead of time that it doesnt bite us to wait another week or two15:18
infinityWell, and we have plenty of userspace bugs to shake out.15:18
ogra_especially for an image thats a "tech preview"15:18
infinityKernel space is identical from armel to armhf, so I'm less concerned.15:18
ogra_any other kernel bits ?15:18
infinityWe'll get there.15:18
ogra_else i'll move15:18
infinityogra_: Boogie on.15:19
ogra_[topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)15:19
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ogra_(and everyone else :) )15:19
infinityThanks to armhf, the armel FTBFS list is looking better too. :P15:19
infinityIn fact, the whole distro is.15:19
ogra_armhf ftbfs looks very very good15:19
infinityarmhf == free rebuild test.15:19
janimogave back a few things, next up libo test, once I install armhf on the board15:19
ogra_yep15:19
infinitylibreoffice needs love.  Not sure if doko and Sweetshark are still going back and forth on that.15:19
infinityI hope so.15:20
* ogra_ looked into some bits and wasted a lot of time for getting an ubiquity build env up today...15:20
infinityI'm working on ghc and gnat.15:20
janimoinfinity, I'll look at it, doko said he's done as far as he's concerned15:20
infinityAnd we have people pondering looking at fpc.15:20
ogra_anything else ?15:20
GrueMasternetinstall.15:21
infinity(fpc needs a full port and bootstrap at the upstream level, if you speak fluent pascal and arm ASM without context-switching between the two, speak up)15:21
ogra_ftbfs ??15:21
GrueMasterNo, fail to install.  libc6 udeb.15:21
* ogra_ moves on 15:21
ogra_[topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity)15:21
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ogra_:)15:21
ogra_i guess there isnt much to add15:22
infinityThere we go.  Now you can bring up netinst. ;)15:22
ogra_wouldnt that belong into images ?15:22
infinityother than "things are going really, really well with armhf" (much better than expected), we have some bugs to shake out.  Installer oopses, etc.15:22
GrueMasterSomeone is moving the meeting too fast for me to type.15:22
infinityogra_: It's both?  I dunno. :P15:22
infinityogra_: It's HF-specific, I believe.15:22
ogra_the queue seems to have ~3000 packages ... is that accurate ?15:22
infinityogra_: Yeah.15:22
ogra_wow15:22
dokoqtmobility needs fixing15:23
ogra_so we should be doen by the weekend15:23
infinityogra_: FSVO "done"... There's lots to do still.15:23
ogra_doko, universe *shrug* .... that has time15:23
dokoogra_, kubuntu package set15:23
infinityUniverse is big.  Fix early, fix often.15:23
ogra_argh15:23
ogra_how about the kubuntu guys ? did someone talk to them ?15:24
infinityIt just has a bad symbols file.15:24
infinity5 minute fix.15:24
infinityMove on.15:24
ogra_k15:24
ogra_[topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)15:24
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ogra_started hf testbuilds15:24
ogra_which was somehow trashed in the middle by broken packages15:24
ogra_a new omap4 build is just running now15:25
ogra_if that succeeds too (ac100 works already) i will switch on autobuilds tomorrow15:25
infinitynetinst needs (at least) my mklibs fix uploaded and a d-i rebuild.15:25
infinityBut might need more.15:25
ogra_for everything but mx515:25
GrueMasteryep.   hunspell-en-us broke the world (not just arm)15:25
ogra_yep15:25
infinityIt sure did.15:25
ogra_but its fixed15:25
ogra_as is ubiquity15:26
ogra_so i dont expect the currently running omap4 build to fall over15:26
ogra_but we'll see :)15:26
ogra_anything else for images15:27
* ogra_ waits for GrueMaster to not speeed to fast for the old man :)15:27
GrueMasterHey!15:27
ogra_*g*15:27
ogra_ok, moving then15:27
infinityWe're all old. :P15:27
ogra_[topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)15:27
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ogra_GrueMaster, stage is all yours15:28
GrueMasterStill working on automation for SRU testing.  Seems that everytime I get one test working for QRT, another breaks, due to x86 requirements.15:28
ogra_how about your jenkins stuff, when is that due to move to the official jenkins instance ?15:28
GrueMasterAnd I still don't have a clear scenario on what to test for SRU approval.  Currently I run the QRT kernel tests, and a few other things.15:29
ogra_(doesnt seem to be there yet ... i was looking for it for a report i had to write for david yesterday)15:29
GrueMasterI won't move it to Jenkins until I can get it stabilized here.15:29
ogra_ah, k15:29
GrueMasterAnd since I have very little visibility with them, it is much harder.15:29
ogra_well SRU approval is indeed tricky15:30
ogra_since it usually refers to one specific bug15:30
ogra_which your test would have to reproduce15:30
GrueMasterOnly in that there is no documented "This is what we run to approve".15:30
ogra_well, "does the bug still occur" is what we run i would guess15:30
ogra_no idea if thats even remotely automatable15:31
ogra_you can surely automate regression testing ...15:31
GrueMasterProblem with that is that there are a LOT of tests that were fixed on x86 that still exist on arm.15:31
ogra_but likely not the verifgication15:31
GrueMasterI can only automate what I know (which isn't much).15:31
ogra_right15:32
GrueMasterAnd when the upstream test scripts keep breaking, I have to manually intervene.15:32
GrueMasterMaking automation moot.15:32
ogra_indeed :/15:32
GrueMasterSo far, this have been my primary focus since UDS.  And it is taking way too much of my time.15:33
ogra_any chance to get some external help from i.e. linaro ?15:33
ogra_i would assume they suffer similar issues in some areas15:34
ogra_or do they do everything from scratch15:34
GrueMasterIt isn't really a linaro thing.  It is mainly working with the security team to fix their wrt test scripts.15:34
ogra_ah, yeah, and thats something linaro doesnt touch at all15:34
GrueMasterAnd linaro is more interested in performance benchmarking.  Not sure they do any SRU testing.15:35
ogra_they dont do SRUs indeed15:35
ogra_anything else for QA ?15:35
GrueMasterI would like to thank NCommander (if he were here) for providing me a hacked netinstall for Maverick & Natty on Panda.  At least I can automate the install for that part of the SRU testing.15:36
* ogra_ applauds the absent NCommander 15:36
GrueMasterIt also has helped expose a bug introduced in another package (procps) that was in proposed.15:36
GrueMasterThat affected all platforms.15:36
ogra_great15:37
GrueMasterAnd I'm done.15:37
ogra_[topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti)15:37
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GrueMasterNothing more to see here, move along.15:37
* rsalveti waves15:37
ogra_heys rsalveti15:37
rsalvetiguess no much to report during this week15:38
rsalvetimarcin was able to push some of the fixes to doko15:38
janimorsalveti, do you know what the status of mx5 3.0 kernel is?15:38
rsalvetifor the cross toolchain15:38
rsalvetijanimo: we should be pushing a new 3.1 kernel soon, once jcrigby is done with the ci bp15:38
ogra_rsalveti, with the enormous speed that armhf gets forward we are very likely to swithch asap15:38
GrueMasterCan you nudge your guys to fix the beagleXM network issue?15:38
rsalvetiprobably in the next few days15:38
ogra_rsalveti, is linaro prepared for that ?15:38
rsalvetiogra_: sure :-)15:39
rsalvetiwe also want to switch asap :-)15:39
ogra_(wrt binary drivers mainly)15:39
janimorsalveti, ah great. So 3.1 will be pushed to the archives15:39
rsalvetiogra_: well, that's the complicated part15:39
rsalvetitalked with ti but that is still not a priority for them15:39
ogra_rsalveti, i'll bring the panda stuff up in tomorrows call15:39
ogra_but what about beagle ?15:39
rsalvetiyeah, would be better to do the follow up tomorrow15:39
ogra_or other vendors15:40
rsalvetiogra_: same thing, they don't care much about armhf atm15:40
ogra_do you have any lever in linaro you could move them with ?15:40
ogra_sigh15:40
rsalvetisure, anmar is our guy for it15:40
rsalvetiwill ping him about it15:40
ogra_that smells like another release without unity 3d15:40
ogra_even though we have the code now15:40
rsalvetinicolas said he'd try to build the driver for armhf15:40
ogra_nothing we will support can run it15:40
rsalvetiand then see how that goes, but if he needs to put some work on that, it'll probably be hard to have it released15:41
ogra_rsalveti, right, as i said, thats for the call rtomorrow15:41
rsalvetiyeah15:41
janimorsalveti, regarding the cross-build of firefox and chromium that riku is doing, do you know what can be done to get the multiarch-fixed libs in precise? They are now in a PPA, and riku has no upload right, but I am not sure if anything is done to push them ATM15:41
ogra_and he is aware that he has all bits for building already15:41
rsalvetijanimo: yeah, that's why we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise15:41
rsalvetijanimo: the goal for this bp is to have at least everything in a bug with the patch attached15:42
rsalvetibut atm he's doing well on both ubuntu and debian15:42
rsalvetijanimo: and also poked him to update your request for feedback15:42
janimorsalveti, I saw that but it was not clear to me whether wotk is ongoing or stalled (or not a prio for linaro)15:42
janimowrt pushing to the main archive15:42
rsalvetijanimo: that's the main thing he's working atm15:43
janimook15:43
rsalvetihe finished the chromium one already15:43
janimothanks15:43
rsalvetiso now he's just working on pushing it to precise15:43
rsalvetifeel free to ping him about it anytime15:43
rsalvetiguess that's all from my side15:43
* ogra_ guesses FF has a higher prio on our side 15:43
rsalvetiso two actions15:43
ogra_at least thats how i understood smagoun15:44
janimowell having all the depends in is what matter a lot too, as others use them15:44
rsalvetiyup15:44
ogra_yep15:44
ogra_anything else ? more questions ?15:44
rsalvetinops15:44
* ogra_ moves to AOB then15:44
rsalvetihow to add action with this bot?15:44
rsalvetishould use #action?15:45
ogra_i think angled brackets15:45
ogra_but hash might also work15:45
ogra_try it :)15:45
infinityI thought it was square braces? :P15:45
rsalveti#action rsalveti to track the gles driver status for armhf for the vendors we support15:45
meetingologyACTION: rsalveti to track the gles driver status for armhf for the vendors we support15:45
ogra_youre so square :P15:45
GrueMasterIts hash, but has to be done by the moderator.15:45
rsalvetiyup :-)15:45
GrueMasterOr that.15:46
ogra_GrueMaster, apparentl not :)15:46
ogra_rsalveti, you said two actions ?15:46
* ogra_ waits for the second before he moves to AOB15:46
rsalveti#action work with jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel15:46
meetingologyACTION: work with jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel15:46
rsalvetidone!15:46
ogra_great :)15:46
GrueMaster#action rsalveti to kick someone to fix bug 83820015:46
meetingologyACTION: rsalveti to kick someone to fix bug 83820015:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838200 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu Precise) "No network support on Beagle XM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83820015:46
rsalvetisorry, I'm in two meetings15:46
ogra_[topic] AOB15:47
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rsalvetiGrueMaster: thanks15:47
ogra_anyone ?15:47
GrueMaster:)15:47
* ogra_ has nothing15:47
infinityI'm dry.15:47
ogra_seems nobody else either15:47
ogra_going once15:47
ogra_twice...15:47
ogra_sold to the guy in underwear ....15:48
ogra_#ednmeeting15:48
ogra_#endmeeting15:48
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Dec  8 15:48:09 2011 UTC.15:48
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-08-15.08.moin.txt15:48
ogra_pfft15:48
GrueMasterHey, that's me!15:48
ogra_now pay !15:48
ogra_:)15:48
ahs3tmi :)15:48
* GrueMaster hands underwear to ogra.15:48
ogra_eeek !15:48
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