[01:40] how do i add myself to the list for the next meeting [01:41] I am a high school student who is doing a senior project on Ubuntu I will be trying to convert my entire parish to Ubuntu === JackyAlcine is now known as [Jacky] === [Jacky] is now known as JackyAlcine [01:54] is anyone here [01:54] can someone help [01:59] tbruff13: Subscribe to the calendar : http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar === jrgifford is now known as Guest26880 === jibel_ is now known as jibel === jrgiffor1 is now known as jrgifford === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [15:01] moo [15:02] o/ [15:06] snort. [15:06] *shifty look* [15:07] * ahs3 yawns [15:07] well, despite our chair person missing, lets get started [15:08] #startmeeting ubuntu-arm [15:08] Meeting started Thu Dec 8 15:08:02 2011 UTC. The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [15:08] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: [15:08] agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111208 [15:08] seems ther are no action items === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [15:08] :) [15:08] so lets go over the standing items ... [15:09] [topic] spec status, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: spec status, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html [15:09] doesnt look bad ... are all specs on there now ? [15:09] shout if you are missing any [15:09] I should probably fill in some work items on my specs before I get yelled at, shouldn't I? [15:10] might help [15:10] And I should break the livefs-in-soyuz WI out of image-pipeline into a spec. :/ [15:10] Cause, well, a month of work isn't a WI. [15:10] also make sure they are approved, have a prio and are assigned to precise by davidm [15:10] My bare-metal spec is still under review. [15:11] poke davidm please, once he is back [15:11] Not that it matters much. It was mainly designed to be informational. [15:11] i really would like to have the tracker working before i start my vacation in a week [15:11] ogra_: I'm on holidays in a week and a day. Can I count on you to bug me to make sure my specs are sane before that? [15:11] (Today's a bit too busy on the armhf porting front for me to do too much paperwork/drafting) [15:11] infinity, will try to, i'm on vac. from 19th on myself [15:12] moving on then ... [15:12] ogra_: From the 16th here. :) [15:12] well, thats the same :P [15:12] ogra_: No, as in, I'm taking the 16th off. [15:12] [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:12] aha ... yeah, ok, thats different [15:13] Daviey, any server news (since NCommander seems to have vanished off the face of the earth) [15:13] * ogra_ suspects not ... [15:14] well, lets move on ... we can come back to it if someone serverish shows up [15:14] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:14] armhf support has hit the archive (as you may have noticed) [15:14] and 3.2.0-x too [15:14] apart from mx5 i think [15:14] Has anyone taken the 3.2 omap4 for a solid spin on a Panda yet? [15:14] * ahs3 is server-ish but has no news [15:15] infinity: i found a bug this morning [15:15] ogra_: mx5? is it community supported or what? [15:15] ppisati, linaro [15:15] Now that mine's not stuck building ghc, I can make it grumpy with 3.2 and armhf. [15:15] ppisati: Yay bugs. Is it any worse than the ones we currently have? :) [15:15] infinity: panic on reboot if a usbhdd is used, i already pushed a new kernel with an ext4 fix and that too [15:16] if pulling the cord on reboot is not a problem, feel free to update now [15:16] we only provide SD images anyway ... just ignore it :P [15:16] ppisati: Snazzy. I need to test if 3.2.x fixes all my NPTL/TLS woes, and I suspect it will, from what markos has been saying. [15:16] else, wait until tomorrow [15:16] ok [15:16] No, don't ignore it! [15:16] heh [15:16] * ogra_ wasnt serious [15:16] ogra_: do you want me to do the armhf stuff for mx5? [15:16] sorry fior being late, hhello [15:16] ppisati, ask jcrigby [15:17] ok [15:17] ppisati: Should be jcrigby's alley, no? [15:17] janimo, np [15:17] ppisati, is that not linaro task? [15:17] janimo, i guess john appreciated help [15:17] zalong with a 3.0 kernel for mx5 whic I hear is available [15:17] Anyhow, we're in no huge rush on mx5/armhf. We have Panda and ac100 to play with. [15:17] * ppisati leaves the mx5 to its destiny... [15:17] I would assume we want armHF on mx5, since everything else is moving off armel. [15:17] :) [15:17] and we would appreciate being able to build images :) [15:17] And lots of bugs to shake out. [15:17] yeah [15:18] GrueMaster, we do, but we're suddenly so ahead of time that it doesnt bite us to wait another week or two [15:18] Well, and we have plenty of userspace bugs to shake out. [15:18] especially for an image thats a "tech preview" [15:18] Kernel space is identical from armel to armhf, so I'm less concerned. [15:18] any other kernel bits ? [15:18] We'll get there. [15:18] else i'll move [15:19] ogra_: Boogie on. [15:19] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:19] (and everyone else :) ) [15:19] Thanks to armhf, the armel FTBFS list is looking better too. :P [15:19] In fact, the whole distro is. [15:19] armhf ftbfs looks very very good [15:19] armhf == free rebuild test. [15:19] gave back a few things, next up libo test, once I install armhf on the board [15:19] yep [15:19] libreoffice needs love. Not sure if doko and Sweetshark are still going back and forth on that. [15:20] I hope so. [15:20] * ogra_ looked into some bits and wasted a lot of time for getting an ubiquity build env up today... [15:20] I'm working on ghc and gnat. [15:20] infinity, I'll look at it, doko said he's done as far as he's concerned [15:20] And we have people pondering looking at fpc. [15:20] anything else ? [15:21] netinstall. [15:21] (fpc needs a full port and bootstrap at the upstream level, if you speak fluent pascal and arm ASM without context-switching between the two, speak up) [15:21] ftbfs ?? [15:21] No, fail to install. libc6 udeb. [15:21] * ogra_ moves on [15:21] [topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) [15:21] :) [15:22] i guess there isnt much to add [15:22] There we go. Now you can bring up netinst. ;) [15:22] wouldnt that belong into images ? [15:22] other than "things are going really, really well with armhf" (much better than expected), we have some bugs to shake out. Installer oopses, etc. [15:22] Someone is moving the meeting too fast for me to type. [15:22] ogra_: It's both? I dunno. :P [15:22] ogra_: It's HF-specific, I believe. [15:22] the queue seems to have ~3000 packages ... is that accurate ? [15:22] ogra_: Yeah. [15:22] wow [15:23] qtmobility needs fixing [15:23] so we should be doen by the weekend [15:23] ogra_: FSVO "done"... There's lots to do still. [15:23] doko, universe *shrug* .... that has time [15:23] ogra_, kubuntu package set [15:23] Universe is big. Fix early, fix often. [15:23] argh [15:24] how about the kubuntu guys ? did someone talk to them ? [15:24] It just has a bad symbols file. [15:24] 5 minute fix. [15:24] Move on. [15:24] k [15:24] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:24] started hf testbuilds [15:24] which was somehow trashed in the middle by broken packages [15:25] a new omap4 build is just running now [15:25] if that succeeds too (ac100 works already) i will switch on autobuilds tomorrow [15:25] netinst needs (at least) my mklibs fix uploaded and a d-i rebuild. [15:25] But might need more. [15:25] for everything but mx5 [15:25] yep. hunspell-en-us broke the world (not just arm) [15:25] yep [15:25] It sure did. [15:25] but its fixed [15:26] as is ubiquity [15:26] so i dont expect the currently running omap4 build to fall over [15:26] but we'll see :) [15:27] anything else for images [15:27] * ogra_ waits for GrueMaster to not speeed to fast for the old man :) [15:27] Hey! [15:27] *g* [15:27] ok, moving then [15:27] We're all old. :P [15:27] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) [15:28] GrueMaster, stage is all yours [15:28] Still working on automation for SRU testing. Seems that everytime I get one test working for QRT, another breaks, due to x86 requirements. [15:28] how about your jenkins stuff, when is that due to move to the official jenkins instance ? [15:29] And I still don't have a clear scenario on what to test for SRU approval. Currently I run the QRT kernel tests, and a few other things. [15:29] (doesnt seem to be there yet ... i was looking for it for a report i had to write for david yesterday) [15:29] I won't move it to Jenkins until I can get it stabilized here. [15:29] ah, k [15:29] And since I have very little visibility with them, it is much harder. [15:30] well SRU approval is indeed tricky [15:30] since it usually refers to one specific bug [15:30] which your test would have to reproduce [15:30] Only in that there is no documented "This is what we run to approve". [15:30] well, "does the bug still occur" is what we run i would guess [15:31] no idea if thats even remotely automatable [15:31] you can surely automate regression testing ... [15:31] Problem with that is that there are a LOT of tests that were fixed on x86 that still exist on arm. [15:31] but likely not the verifgication [15:31] I can only automate what I know (which isn't much). [15:32] right [15:32] And when the upstream test scripts keep breaking, I have to manually intervene. [15:32] Making automation moot. [15:32] indeed :/ [15:33] So far, this have been my primary focus since UDS. And it is taking way too much of my time. [15:33] any chance to get some external help from i.e. linaro ? [15:34] i would assume they suffer similar issues in some areas [15:34] or do they do everything from scratch [15:34] It isn't really a linaro thing. It is mainly working with the security team to fix their wrt test scripts. [15:34] ah, yeah, and thats something linaro doesnt touch at all [15:35] And linaro is more interested in performance benchmarking. Not sure they do any SRU testing. [15:35] they dont do SRUs indeed [15:35] anything else for QA ? [15:36] I would like to thank NCommander (if he were here) for providing me a hacked netinstall for Maverick & Natty on Panda. At least I can automate the install for that part of the SRU testing. [15:36] * ogra_ applauds the absent NCommander [15:36] It also has helped expose a bug introduced in another package (procps) that was in proposed. [15:36] That affected all platforms. [15:37] great [15:37] And I'm done. [15:37] [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: Linaro Updates (rsalveti) [15:37] Nothing more to see here, move along. [15:37] * rsalveti waves [15:37] heys rsalveti [15:38] guess no much to report during this week [15:38] marcin was able to push some of the fixes to doko [15:38] rsalveti, do you know what the status of mx5 3.0 kernel is? [15:38] for the cross toolchain [15:38] janimo: we should be pushing a new 3.1 kernel soon, once jcrigby is done with the ci bp [15:38] rsalveti, with the enormous speed that armhf gets forward we are very likely to swithch asap [15:38] Can you nudge your guys to fix the beagleXM network issue? [15:38] probably in the next few days [15:38] rsalveti, is linaro prepared for that ? [15:39] ogra_: sure :-) [15:39] we also want to switch asap :-) [15:39] (wrt binary drivers mainly) [15:39] rsalveti, ah great. So 3.1 will be pushed to the archives [15:39] ogra_: well, that's the complicated part [15:39] talked with ti but that is still not a priority for them [15:39] rsalveti, i'll bring the panda stuff up in tomorrows call [15:39] but what about beagle ? [15:39] yeah, would be better to do the follow up tomorrow [15:40] or other vendors [15:40] ogra_: same thing, they don't care much about armhf atm [15:40] do you have any lever in linaro you could move them with ? [15:40] sigh [15:40] sure, anmar is our guy for it [15:40] will ping him about it [15:40] that smells like another release without unity 3d [15:40] even though we have the code now [15:40] nicolas said he'd try to build the driver for armhf [15:40] nothing we will support can run it [15:41] and then see how that goes, but if he needs to put some work on that, it'll probably be hard to have it released [15:41] rsalveti, right, as i said, thats for the call rtomorrow [15:41] yeah [15:41] rsalveti, regarding the cross-build of firefox and chromium that riku is doing, do you know what can be done to get the multiarch-fixed libs in precise? They are now in a PPA, and riku has no upload right, but I am not sure if anything is done to push them ATM [15:41] and he is aware that he has all bits for building already [15:41] janimo: yeah, that's why we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise [15:42] janimo: the goal for this bp is to have at least everything in a bug with the patch attached [15:42] but atm he's doing well on both ubuntu and debian [15:42] janimo: and also poked him to update your request for feedback [15:42] rsalveti, I saw that but it was not clear to me whether wotk is ongoing or stalled (or not a prio for linaro) [15:42] wrt pushing to the main archive [15:43] janimo: that's the main thing he's working atm [15:43] ok [15:43] he finished the chromium one already [15:43] thanks [15:43] so now he's just working on pushing it to precise [15:43] feel free to ping him about it anytime [15:43] guess that's all from my side [15:43] * ogra_ guesses FF has a higher prio on our side [15:43] so two actions [15:44] at least thats how i understood smagoun [15:44] well having all the depends in is what matter a lot too, as others use them [15:44] yup [15:44] yep [15:44] anything else ? more questions ? [15:44] nops [15:44] * ogra_ moves to AOB then [15:44] how to add action with this bot? [15:45] should use #action? [15:45] i think angled brackets [15:45] but hash might also work [15:45] try it :) [15:45] I thought it was square braces? :P [15:45] #action rsalveti to track the gles driver status for armhf for the vendors we support [15:45] ACTION: rsalveti to track the gles driver status for armhf for the vendors we support [15:45] youre so square :P [15:45] Its hash, but has to be done by the moderator. [15:45] yup :-) [15:46] Or that. [15:46] GrueMaster, apparentl not :) [15:46] rsalveti, you said two actions ? [15:46] * ogra_ waits for the second before he moves to AOB [15:46] #action work with jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel [15:46] ACTION: work with jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel [15:46] done! [15:46] great :) [15:46] #action rsalveti to kick someone to fix bug 838200 [15:46] ACTION: rsalveti to kick someone to fix bug 838200 [15:46] Launchpad bug 838200 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu Precise) "No network support on Beagle XM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200 [15:46] sorry, I'm in two meetings [15:47] [topic] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-arm Meeting | Current topic: AOB [15:47] GrueMaster: thanks [15:47] anyone ? [15:47] :) [15:47] * ogra_ has nothing [15:47] I'm dry. [15:47] seems nobody else either [15:47] going once [15:47] twice... [15:48] sold to the guy in underwear .... [15:48] #ednmeeting [15:48] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:48] Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 15:48:09 2011 UTC. [15:48] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-08-15.08.moin.txt [15:48] pfft [15:48] Hey, that's me! [15:48] now pay ! [15:48] :) [15:48] tmi :) [15:48] * GrueMaster hands underwear to ogra. [15:48] eeek ! === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk