[01:40] <tbruff13> how do i add myself to the list for the next meeting
[01:41] <tbruff13> I am a high school student who is doing a senior project on Ubuntu I will be trying to convert my entire parish to Ubuntu
[01:54] <tbruff13> is anyone here
[01:54] <tbruff13> can someone help
[01:59] <JackyAlcine> tbruff13: Subscribe to the calendar : http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[15:01] <ogra_> moo
[15:02] <ppisati> o/
[15:06] <GrueMaster> snort.
[15:06] <infinity> *shifty look*
[15:07]  * ahs3 yawns
[15:07] <ogra_> well, despite our chair person missing, lets get started
[15:08] <ogra_> #startmeeting ubuntu-arm
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[15:08] <ogra_> agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111208
[15:08] <ogra_> seems ther are no action items
[15:08] <ogra_> :)
[15:08] <ogra_> so lets go over the standing items ...
[15:09] <ogra_> [topic] spec status, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:09] <ogra_> doesnt look bad ... are all specs on there now ?
[15:09] <ogra_> shout if you are missing any
[15:09] <infinity> I should probably fill in some work items on my specs before I get yelled at, shouldn't I?
[15:10] <ogra_> might help
[15:10] <infinity> And I should break the livefs-in-soyuz WI out of image-pipeline into a spec. :/
[15:10] <infinity> Cause, well, a month of work isn't a WI.
[15:10] <ogra_> also make sure they are approved, have a prio and are assigned to precise by davidm
[15:10] <GrueMaster> My bare-metal spec is still under review.
[15:11] <ogra_> poke davidm please, once he is back
[15:11] <GrueMaster> Not that it matters much.  It was mainly designed to be informational.
[15:11] <ogra_> i really would like to have the tracker working before i start my vacation in a week
[15:11] <infinity> ogra_: I'm on holidays in a week and a day.  Can I count on you to bug me to make sure my specs are sane before that?
[15:11] <infinity> (Today's a bit too busy on the armhf porting front for me to do too much paperwork/drafting)
[15:11] <ogra_> infinity, will try to, i'm on vac. from 19th on myself
[15:12] <ogra_> moving on then ...
[15:12] <infinity> ogra_: From the 16th here. :)
[15:12] <ogra_> well, thats the same :P
[15:12] <infinity> ogra_: No, as in, I'm taking the 16th off.
[15:12] <ogra_> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[15:12] <ogra_> aha ... yeah, ok, thats different
[15:13] <ogra_> Daviey, any server news (since NCommander seems to have vanished off the face of the earth)
[15:13]  * ogra_ suspects not ...
[15:14] <ogra_> well, lets move on ... we can come back to it if someone serverish shows up
[15:14] <ogra_> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
[15:14] <ppisati> armhf support has hit the archive (as you may have noticed)
[15:14] <ppisati> and 3.2.0-x too
[15:14] <ogra_> apart from mx5 i think
[15:14] <infinity> Has anyone taken the 3.2 omap4 for a solid spin on a Panda yet?
[15:14]  * ahs3 is server-ish but has no news
[15:15] <ppisati> infinity: i found a bug this morning
[15:15] <ppisati> ogra_: mx5? is it community supported or what?
[15:15] <ogra_> ppisati, linaro
[15:15] <infinity> Now that mine's not stuck building ghc, I can make it grumpy with 3.2 and armhf.
[15:15] <infinity> ppisati: Yay bugs.  Is it any worse than the ones we currently have? :)
[15:15] <ppisati> infinity: panic on reboot if a usbhdd is used, i already pushed a new kernel with an ext4 fix and that too
[15:16] <ppisati> if pulling the cord on reboot is not a problem, feel free to update now
[15:16] <ogra_> we only provide SD images anyway ... just ignore it :P
[15:16] <infinity> ppisati: Snazzy.  I need to test if 3.2.x fixes all my NPTL/TLS woes, and I suspect it will, from what markos has been saying.
[15:16] <ppisati> else, wait until tomorrow
[15:16] <ppisati> ok
[15:16] <GrueMaster> No, don't ignore it!
[15:16] <ogra_> heh
[15:16]  * ogra_ wasnt serious 
[15:16] <ppisati> ogra_: do you want me to do the armhf stuff for mx5?
[15:16] <janimo> sorry fior being late, hhello
[15:16] <ogra_> ppisati, ask jcrigby
[15:17] <ppisati> ok
[15:17] <infinity> ppisati: Should be jcrigby's alley, no?
[15:17] <ogra_> janimo, np
[15:17] <janimo> ppisati, is that not linaro task?
[15:17] <ogra_> janimo, i guess john appreciated help
[15:17] <janimo> zalong with a 3.0 kernel for mx5 whic I hear is available
[15:17] <infinity> Anyhow, we're in no huge rush on mx5/armhf.  We have Panda and ac100 to play with.
[15:17]  * ppisati leaves the mx5 to its destiny...
[15:17] <GrueMaster> I would assume we want armHF on mx5, since everything else is moving off armel.
[15:17] <ppisati> :)
[15:17] <ogra_> and we would appreciate being able to build images :)
[15:17] <infinity> And lots of bugs to shake out.
[15:17] <ogra_> yeah
[15:18] <ogra_> GrueMaster, we do, but we're suddenly so ahead of time that it doesnt bite us to wait another week or two
[15:18] <infinity> Well, and we have plenty of userspace bugs to shake out.
[15:18] <ogra_> especially for an image thats a "tech preview"
[15:18] <infinity> Kernel space is identical from armel to armhf, so I'm less concerned.
[15:18] <ogra_> any other kernel bits ?
[15:18] <infinity> We'll get there.
[15:18] <ogra_> else i'll move
[15:19] <infinity> ogra_: Boogie on.
[15:19] <ogra_> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:19] <ogra_> (and everyone else :) )
[15:19] <infinity> Thanks to armhf, the armel FTBFS list is looking better too. :P
[15:19] <infinity> In fact, the whole distro is.
[15:19] <ogra_> armhf ftbfs looks very very good
[15:19] <infinity> armhf == free rebuild test.
[15:19] <janimo> gave back a few things, next up libo test, once I install armhf on the board
[15:19] <ogra_> yep
[15:19] <infinity> libreoffice needs love.  Not sure if doko and Sweetshark are still going back and forth on that.
[15:20] <infinity> I hope so.
[15:20]  * ogra_ looked into some bits and wasted a lot of time for getting an ubiquity build env up today...
[15:20] <infinity> I'm working on ghc and gnat.
[15:20] <janimo> infinity, I'll look at it, doko said he's done as far as he's concerned
[15:20] <infinity> And we have people pondering looking at fpc.
[15:20] <ogra_> anything else ?
[15:21] <GrueMaster> netinstall.
[15:21] <infinity> (fpc needs a full port and bootstrap at the upstream level, if you speak fluent pascal and arm ASM without context-switching between the two, speak up)
[15:21] <ogra_> ftbfs ??
[15:21] <GrueMaster> No, fail to install.  libc6 udeb.
[15:21]  * ogra_ moves on 
[15:21] <ogra_> [topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity)
[15:21] <ogra_> :)
[15:22] <ogra_> i guess there isnt much to add
[15:22] <infinity> There we go.  Now you can bring up netinst. ;)
[15:22] <ogra_> wouldnt that belong into images ?
[15:22] <infinity> other than "things are going really, really well with armhf" (much better than expected), we have some bugs to shake out.  Installer oopses, etc.
[15:22] <GrueMaster> Someone is moving the meeting too fast for me to type.
[15:22] <infinity> ogra_: It's both?  I dunno. :P
[15:22] <infinity> ogra_: It's HF-specific, I believe.
[15:22] <ogra_> the queue seems to have ~3000 packages ... is that accurate ?
[15:22] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah.
[15:22] <ogra_> wow
[15:23] <doko> qtmobility needs fixing
[15:23] <ogra_> so we should be doen by the weekend
[15:23] <infinity> ogra_: FSVO "done"... There's lots to do still.
[15:23] <ogra_> doko, universe *shrug* .... that has time
[15:23] <doko> ogra_, kubuntu package set
[15:23] <infinity> Universe is big.  Fix early, fix often.
[15:23] <ogra_> argh
[15:24] <ogra_> how about the kubuntu guys ? did someone talk to them ?
[15:24] <infinity> It just has a bad symbols file.
[15:24] <infinity> 5 minute fix.
[15:24] <infinity> Move on.
[15:24] <ogra_> k
[15:24] <ogra_> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:24] <ogra_> started hf testbuilds
[15:24] <ogra_> which was somehow trashed in the middle by broken packages
[15:25] <ogra_> a new omap4 build is just running now
[15:25] <ogra_> if that succeeds too (ac100 works already) i will switch on autobuilds tomorrow
[15:25] <infinity> netinst needs (at least) my mklibs fix uploaded and a d-i rebuild.
[15:25] <infinity> But might need more.
[15:25] <ogra_> for everything but mx5
[15:25] <GrueMaster> yep.   hunspell-en-us broke the world (not just arm)
[15:25] <ogra_> yep
[15:25] <infinity> It sure did.
[15:25] <ogra_> but its fixed
[15:26] <ogra_> as is ubiquity
[15:26] <ogra_> so i dont expect the currently running omap4 build to fall over
[15:26] <ogra_> but we'll see :)
[15:27] <ogra_> anything else for images
[15:27]  * ogra_ waits for GrueMaster to not speeed to fast for the old man :)
[15:27] <GrueMaster> Hey!
[15:27] <ogra_> *g*
[15:27] <ogra_> ok, moving then
[15:27] <infinity> We're all old. :P
[15:27] <ogra_> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)
[15:28] <ogra_> GrueMaster, stage is all yours
[15:28] <GrueMaster> Still working on automation for SRU testing.  Seems that everytime I get one test working for QRT, another breaks, due to x86 requirements.
[15:28] <ogra_> how about your jenkins stuff, when is that due to move to the official jenkins instance ?
[15:29] <GrueMaster> And I still don't have a clear scenario on what to test for SRU approval.  Currently I run the QRT kernel tests, and a few other things.
[15:29] <ogra_> (doesnt seem to be there yet ... i was looking for it for a report i had to write for david yesterday)
[15:29] <GrueMaster> I won't move it to Jenkins until I can get it stabilized here.
[15:29] <ogra_> ah, k
[15:29] <GrueMaster> And since I have very little visibility with them, it is much harder.
[15:30] <ogra_> well SRU approval is indeed tricky
[15:30] <ogra_> since it usually refers to one specific bug
[15:30] <ogra_> which your test would have to reproduce
[15:30] <GrueMaster> Only in that there is no documented "This is what we run to approve".
[15:30] <ogra_> well, "does the bug still occur" is what we run i would guess
[15:31] <ogra_> no idea if thats even remotely automatable
[15:31] <ogra_> you can surely automate regression testing ...
[15:31] <GrueMaster> Problem with that is that there are a LOT of tests that were fixed on x86 that still exist on arm.
[15:31] <ogra_> but likely not the verifgication
[15:31] <GrueMaster> I can only automate what I know (which isn't much).
[15:32] <ogra_> right
[15:32] <GrueMaster> And when the upstream test scripts keep breaking, I have to manually intervene.
[15:32] <GrueMaster> Making automation moot.
[15:32] <ogra_> indeed :/
[15:33] <GrueMaster> So far, this have been my primary focus since UDS.  And it is taking way too much of my time.
[15:33] <ogra_> any chance to get some external help from i.e. linaro ?
[15:34] <ogra_> i would assume they suffer similar issues in some areas
[15:34] <ogra_> or do they do everything from scratch
[15:34] <GrueMaster> It isn't really a linaro thing.  It is mainly working with the security team to fix their wrt test scripts.
[15:34] <ogra_> ah, yeah, and thats something linaro doesnt touch at all
[15:35] <GrueMaster> And linaro is more interested in performance benchmarking.  Not sure they do any SRU testing.
[15:35] <ogra_> they dont do SRUs indeed
[15:35] <ogra_> anything else for QA ?
[15:36] <GrueMaster> I would like to thank NCommander (if he were here) for providing me a hacked netinstall for Maverick & Natty on Panda.  At least I can automate the install for that part of the SRU testing.
[15:36]  * ogra_ applauds the absent NCommander 
[15:36] <GrueMaster> It also has helped expose a bug introduced in another package (procps) that was in proposed.
[15:36] <GrueMaster> That affected all platforms.
[15:37] <ogra_> great
[15:37] <GrueMaster> And I'm done.
[15:37] <ogra_> [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti)
[15:37] <GrueMaster> Nothing more to see here, move along.
[15:37]  * rsalveti waves
[15:37] <ogra_> heys rsalveti
[15:38] <rsalveti> guess no much to report during this week
[15:38] <rsalveti> marcin was able to push some of the fixes to doko
[15:38] <janimo> rsalveti, do you know what the status of mx5 3.0 kernel is?
[15:38] <rsalveti> for the cross toolchain
[15:38] <rsalveti> janimo: we should be pushing a new 3.1 kernel soon, once jcrigby is done with the ci bp
[15:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, with the enormous speed that armhf gets forward we are very likely to swithch asap
[15:38] <GrueMaster> Can you nudge your guys to fix the beagleXM network issue?
[15:38] <rsalveti> probably in the next few days
[15:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, is linaro prepared for that ?
[15:39] <rsalveti> ogra_: sure :-)
[15:39] <rsalveti> we also want to switch asap :-)
[15:39] <ogra_> (wrt binary drivers mainly)
[15:39] <janimo> rsalveti, ah great. So 3.1 will be pushed to the archives
[15:39] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, that's the complicated part
[15:39] <rsalveti> talked with ti but that is still not a priority for them
[15:39] <ogra_> rsalveti, i'll bring the panda stuff up in tomorrows call
[15:39] <ogra_> but what about beagle ?
[15:39] <rsalveti> yeah, would be better to do the follow up tomorrow
[15:40] <ogra_> or other vendors
[15:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: same thing, they don't care much about armhf atm
[15:40] <ogra_> do you have any lever in linaro you could move them with ?
[15:40] <ogra_> sigh
[15:40] <rsalveti> sure, anmar is our guy for it
[15:40] <rsalveti> will ping him about it
[15:40] <ogra_> that smells like another release without unity 3d
[15:40] <ogra_> even though we have the code now
[15:40] <rsalveti> nicolas said he'd try to build the driver for armhf
[15:40] <ogra_> nothing we will support can run it
[15:41] <rsalveti> and then see how that goes, but if he needs to put some work on that, it'll probably be hard to have it released
[15:41] <ogra_> rsalveti, right, as i said, thats for the call rtomorrow
[15:41] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:41] <janimo> rsalveti, regarding the cross-build of firefox and chromium that riku is doing, do you know what can be done to get the multiarch-fixed libs in precise? They are now in a PPA, and riku has no upload right, but I am not sure if anything is done to push them ATM
[15:41] <ogra_> and he is aware that he has all bits for building already
[15:41] <rsalveti> janimo: yeah, that's why we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise
[15:42] <rsalveti> janimo: the goal for this bp is to have at least everything in a bug with the patch attached
[15:42] <rsalveti> but atm he's doing well on both ubuntu and debian
[15:42] <rsalveti> janimo: and also poked him to update your request for feedback
[15:42] <janimo> rsalveti, I saw that but it was not clear to me whether wotk is ongoing or stalled (or not a prio for linaro)
[15:42] <janimo> wrt pushing to the main archive
[15:43] <rsalveti> janimo: that's the main thing he's working atm
[15:43] <janimo> ok
[15:43] <rsalveti> he finished the chromium one already
[15:43] <janimo> thanks
[15:43] <rsalveti> so now he's just working on pushing it to precise
[15:43] <rsalveti> feel free to ping him about it anytime
[15:43] <rsalveti> guess that's all from my side
[15:43]  * ogra_ guesses FF has a higher prio on our side 
[15:43] <rsalveti> so two actions
[15:44] <ogra_> at least thats how i understood smagoun
[15:44] <janimo> well having all the depends in is what matter a lot too, as others use them
[15:44] <rsalveti> yup
[15:44] <ogra_> yep
[15:44] <ogra_> anything else ? more questions ?
[15:44] <rsalveti> nops
[15:44]  * ogra_ moves to AOB then
[15:44] <rsalveti> how to add action with this bot?
[15:45] <rsalveti> should use #action?
[15:45] <ogra_> i think angled brackets
[15:45] <ogra_> but hash might also work
[15:45] <ogra_> try it :)
[15:45] <infinity> I thought it was square braces? :P
[15:45] <rsalveti> #action rsalveti to track the gles driver status for armhf for the vendors we support
[15:45] <meetingology> ACTION: rsalveti to track the gles driver status for armhf for the vendors we support
[15:45] <ogra_> youre so square :P
[15:45] <GrueMaster> Its hash, but has to be done by the moderator.
[15:45] <rsalveti> yup :-)
[15:46] <GrueMaster> Or that.
[15:46] <ogra_> GrueMaster, apparentl not :)
[15:46] <ogra_> rsalveti, you said two actions ?
[15:46]  * ogra_ waits for the second before he moves to AOB
[15:46] <rsalveti> #action work with jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel
[15:46] <meetingology> ACTION: work with jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel
[15:46] <rsalveti> done!
[15:46] <ogra_> great :)
[15:46] <GrueMaster> #action rsalveti to kick someone to fix bug 838200
[15:46] <meetingology> ACTION: rsalveti to kick someone to fix bug 838200
[15:46] <rsalveti> sorry, I'm in two meetings
[15:47] <ogra_> [topic] AOB
[15:47] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: thanks
[15:47] <ogra_> anyone ?
[15:47] <GrueMaster> :)
[15:47]  * ogra_ has nothing
[15:47] <infinity> I'm dry.
[15:47] <ogra_> seems nobody else either
[15:47] <ogra_> going once
[15:47] <ogra_> twice...
[15:48] <ogra_> sold to the guy in underwear ....
[15:48] <ogra_> #ednmeeting
[15:48] <ogra_> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec  8 15:48:09 2011 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-08-15.08.moin.txt
[15:48] <ogra_> pfft
[15:48] <GrueMaster> Hey, that's me!
[15:48] <ogra_> now pay !
[15:48] <ogra_> :)
[15:48] <ahs3> tmi :)
[15:48]  * GrueMaster hands underwear to ogra.
[15:48] <ogra_> eeek !