[00:40] utlemming, here now. === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [00:58] Hello all [00:58] I just updated apport (which I assume is part of the default set of packages?) and the service was unable to start afterwards. Should I be worried? [01:00] Hmm. It looks like it's disabled now, but then shouldn't it not try to start the service at all? >.> [01:00] josePhoenix: can you explain why you think it wsa unable to start? [01:02] SpamapS: I just did apt-get upgrade and saw the following lines in the output: [01:02] "Setting up apport (1.23-0ubuntu4) ..." "start: Job failed to start" "invoke-rc.d: initscript apport, action "start" failed."" [01:03] When I tried 'service apport start', I got "start: Job failed to start" [01:07] josePhoenix: anything useful in syslog? [01:10] It looks like exactly this bug from April in terms of errors. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/767498 [01:10] Launchpad bug 767498 in apport "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Critical,Fix released] [01:12] josePhoenix: so, do you have the fixed version? [01:13] Yup, 1.23-0ubuntu4 [01:13] I'm going to try purging and reinstalling the package [01:14] Nope, still failed. [01:19] Hm. The latest version of the package seems to be installing a script broken in the same way described on that launchpad bug [01:20] I removed /etc/init/apport.conf to be sure and reinstalled. [01:39] smoser: it does [01:39] ? [01:39] * zul is boggled [01:41] seems to work, yes. === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [03:25] so precise is trolling me, it installs on virtual machines but not on a dell precision 380 === funkyHat1 is now known as funkyHat [03:30] What is the best web panel nowadays ? [03:30] web panel? [03:31] yeah for LAMP [03:31] or to manage a lamp server [03:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels [03:35] how can i tell apt-get/aptitude to *not* upgrade a package using a backports PPA? [03:37] Resistance: pinning [03:37] SpamapS: how do i pin the php5-* packages then? [03:37] * Resistance backported php from oneiric to natty, but doesnt want to update php on this particular server *unless* the update comes from the main repos (i.e. not the ppa) [03:38] other software exists in the ppa which needs to remain installed, so removing the PPA isnt an option [03:38] http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html is pretty good [03:38] Resistance: basically you would list it in /etc/apt/preferences [03:38] Resistance: man apt_preferences [03:39] thanks [03:41] will aptitude honor the pin as well? [03:41] * Resistance uses aptitude over apt-get [03:44] Resistance: I don't, so I don't know. [03:58] I think a better solution in your case would be to install the package, then remove the PPA [03:58] if you don't want any updates from that PPA, it'll just keep your version because it's newer [03:59] well since its my own PPA of backports... [03:59] broder said use one PPA for staging, another for deployment [03:59] if you pin it it won't update at all, which works, but you then have to manually update again later [03:59] (which would of course eliminate this issue altogether) [03:59] s/said/recommended to/ [04:00] also a good plan [04:00] well this way i dont flood the deployment ppa with failed builds xD [06:16] I'm having trouble getting ubuntu-vm-builder to create a guest i can access. Is this the right place to ask for help? [08:16] hi all === cerber0s is now known as cerberos === jibel_ is now known as jibel === smb` is now known as smb [08:46] lynxman: around [08:54] good morning [09:07] morning o/ [10:01] hail ! [10:01] what do i need for " make xconfig " to work ? [10:10] guys [10:14] AFAIK you need Qt installed [10:14] A good question is why you're doing graphical installation on a server [10:14] yeah how do i get it ? [10:14] i'm using ubuntu [10:15] Unable to find the QT4 tool qmake. Trying to use QT3 [10:15] apt-get install qt4-qmake perhaps [10:15] i'm using ubuntu desktop not server but nobody bothered to answer my question in there [10:15] Great goign [10:16] I'll go back to fiddling with our servers now [10:16] ok thanks for the help [10:47] Hi [10:48] I am referring to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Managing [10:49] I get "No console available for domain" [10:49] Any clue please [10:53] apologies [10:53] How do i get into VM in linux KVM === mendel__ is now known as mendel_ [10:55] basically how do i get into the vm to edit network physical IP === [1]MarcelT3 is now known as MarcelT3 [11:55] hi guys, actually libtiff-dev requires libjpeg6 but i wanted to installad libjpeg8 instead, how can i force the dipendence, maybe just set libjpeg6 as installed and install libjpeg8c from source [13:17] I have a question for the Ubuntu virtualization team :-) [13:17] or any member of that team [13:33] caribou: in general ask the question rather than asking to asks (I am not a member of that team though) [13:33] drt24: I don't want to sound rude, but the last time I asked, it just got lost in the flow of the conversation [13:33] I'm dealing with a bug on vmbuilder that I'm able to reproduce [13:34] I 'heard' rumors that vmbuilder was being phased out [13:34] I wanted to check that before pushing the bug further [13:35] caribou: yes that tends to happen, sorry. [13:36] drt24: oh, don't worry I do miss a lot of stuff too [13:36] depends on the activity in the room [13:47] caribou: Noone's actively maintaining VMBuilder, no. It gets the odd bug fix, but that's it. [13:47] soren: ah, ok. [13:48] soren: the bug I'm working on involves file system corruption when using -raw devices [13:48] soren: I'll see if I can identify the portion of code involved [13:48] hallyn: The changelog says: "Fix default network autostart symlink disappearing on upgrade", but it's really quite the opposite. It re-appears even if you've removed it. [13:51] soren: what is the alternative to vmbuilder these days ? [13:53] caribou: IIRC, http://live.debian.net/ [13:54] soren: thanks I'll give it a look [13:54] hallyn: Or am I confused? [13:55] hallyn: HAving the link reappear used to be the problem. Did that get fixed and now you're trying to fix a new problem that appeared? [14:00] soren: historically, if you removed the symlink it would always reappear, bc the symlink shipped as a file part of the pkg [14:00] hallyn: Right. [14:01] hallyn: I thought that was what you were fixing, but I gather that has been addressed earlier? [14:01] then i thought i fixed it, but i did it wrong, so that it disappeared for anyone upgrading from old version [14:01] I see, ok. [14:01] iow, it maintained the link if it exists, [14:01] but as part of the upgrade, the file went away, so it never existed at postinst time [14:01] Right. [14:02] hello [14:02] so for anyone who upgrades now from oneiric to precise, it should do the right thing. [14:02] should my system not re-generate the NICs if I delete 70-persistent-net.rules and reboot? [14:02] hallyn: When did this change land? (the one that solved the link constantly reappearling) [14:03] jason00: yes [14:03] jason00: Oh, wait. [14:03] jason00: No. [14:03] are you sure? I was... literally... positive it would. [14:03] did I whoopsie? :( [14:03] jason00: Sorry, yes :) [14:03] IM CONFUSED [14:03] jason00: No, I was just confused. I got the numbers mixed up. [14:03] :P [14:03] soren: i'm at the wrong laptop right now to check the changelog. it was very recently though [14:04] i think last friday [14:04] hallyn: In precise? [14:04] hallyn: Or somewhere else as well? [14:04] yes - i'm SRUing it eventually [14:04] hallyn: Ok, let me think this through. My input yesterday was based on my (wrong) assumption that it was the originial problem you were adressing. [14:04] soren: I deleted the 70-persistent-net.rules file and rebooted hoping it would regenerate. It regenerated my onboard NIC, but not my PCI NIC. I did however just run sudo ifconfig eth0 up and I see it again... [14:04] but so far only in precise [14:04] I wonder if I reboot now that it's up if it'll repopulate its entry in the 70 persistent file? [14:05] soren: why, are you having trouble with the new package? [14:06] hallyn: Haven't tried it. It's just a slightly different problem, so I want to make sure my suggestions were sound. [14:06] hallyn: I hadn't realised you had already uploaded it, so I was reviewing the debdiff. [14:07] oh, i see [14:08] if you're upgrading from an old version, it'll detect that symlink is htere (or not), and recreate it when pkg deleted it; if from newer version (i.e. henceforth) it'll just let it keep existing [14:08] (and if upgrading from one of the last few, broken, versions, it recreates it) [14:09] hallyn: Instead of enumerating all the broken versions, you should use dpkg --compare-versions. [14:09] Well, not "broken", but ykwim. [14:10] thanks, that sounds nicer [14:10] hi guys, how can i reinstall a package with apt-get? [14:10] i'll look it up and change it - though i was sort of hoping it would be reasonable toremove that bit after awhile :) [14:10] apt-get install --reinstall pkg [14:10] hallyn: Actually, you can fold that into the first conditional ("if -z $2") [14:11] hallyn: So you'd replace "if -z $2" with.. [14:11] wow. I'm super confused. [14:12] my other NIc entry is still not in 70 persistent net rules :( [14:12] can I just copy the first and swap the eth # and mac addr? [14:12] jason00: Sure. [14:12] soren: yeah, sounds good. (yesterday i just wanted to keep things split to think things through clearly :) [14:12] I'm baffled as to why its not coming back. maybe I need to delete the entire file now that I have the interface up. [14:12] har har har [14:12] that may be it... [14:13] hallyn: Sure, and that's fine. Feel free to keep it that way, if it helps you grok it going forward. [14:13] hallyn: As for when we can drop it: The first upload to precise+1. [14:13] hallyn: You can make a comment to that effect in the file itself. [14:14] soren: and why exactly is that? there's a rationale spelled out somewhere? [14:14] hallyn: Working on it :) [14:14] :) [14:14] hallyn: We support upgrades from LTS to LTS. [14:15] hallyn: ...and we support upgades from the release immediately preceding the LTS to the LTS. [14:15] hallyn: ..and we sort of support upgrade from anywhere in the dev cycle to the final release. [14:15] hallyn: This problem only existed during the precise dev cycle. [14:15] "sort of" [14:16] hallyn: Do you disagree? [14:16] hallyn: So the only situation where you cuold reasonably see this is when you're upgrading from mid-cycle precise to final precise. [14:16] hallyn: Hence, the first upload to precise+1 doesn't need to worry about it. [14:18] soren: meaning that before upgrading to the LTS, you're supposed to do a dist-upgrade first? [14:18] if that is the case (as i recall reading) then that (removing it at first p+1 upload) does make sense [14:19] hallyn: Yes. [14:19] hmm, whats the command for rebooting dhcp service? I thought it was sudo service dhcp3 stop/start etc [14:20] dhcp3-server [14:20] unrecognized service [14:20] maybe your using dnsmasq? [14:20] no idea? [14:20] Its a pretty vanilla install [14:20] hpow should I know\ [14:20] you mean the dhcp client? [14:21] I'm setting this up as a server. I didn't do anything other than install ubuntu and fog + ltsp, which both use dhcp [14:21] I'm just not sure I can get them to play nice on the same box with 2 NICs [14:22] good morning [14:24] soren: now the q is only whether I can remember that reasoning in a few months :) (i'll write it down to add as comment to the src on next upload) [14:24] soren: thanks [14:25] ogra_: Do you disagree? [14:25] ogra_: On the "sort of"? [14:25] soren, well, no, but the sort of actually means that we dont really care in some cases for dev -> final updates [14:26] (which we actually often dont do, often it is just release noted in the milestone wheer we fixed it) [14:26] ogra_: Yeah. I would consider the bug valid.. [14:27] ogra_: ...but probably not worry a whole lot about fixing it. [14:27] yeah [14:27] ogra_: hence "sort of" :) [14:27] seems as if 70 persistent net rules is being a brat [14:27] It depends on teh bug, really. [14:27] only finds 1 of the devices, or 3, but only 2 exist [14:27] it wont find just two [14:27] just release note it for alpha2 :) [14:28] ogra_: which are you talking about right now? my libvirt snafu, or something else? [14:29] nothing specific ... just the statement that we support in-dev-release upgrades [14:29] or dev to final [14:29] we often dont, even though we try to [14:29] and just release note the issue [14:30] ok [14:37] sweet [14:37] now its not re-generating 70 persistent net rules [14:37] nice [14:40] jason00: you erased the file? [14:40] yes [14:41] jason00: it used to be re-generated on older releases, what are you running? [14:41] 11.10. it regenerated fine about 2 or 3 times. I kept deleting it because each time it populated, it populated the wrong mac addresses. It was rather baffling. Now all of the sudden, it wont regenerate. [14:42] to make things worse, I hit "shut down" instead of restart accidentally. once I hit the power button to turn my server back on, it wouldnt turn on. [14:42] really? [14:42] jason00: hm, i wouldn't expect it to re-gen on 11.10, maybe that funct. was restored [14:43] if it doesnt regenerate, what other option is there pmatulis ? [14:43] jason00: copy from another system? [14:43] lol [14:43] thats really the answer? [14:43] hello we removed functionality so plz install another instance to copy it over [14:43] jason00: dunno if that's the only answer [14:44] jason00: What do you mean "the wrong mac address2? [14:44] s/2/"/ [14:44] jason00: you don't have network so hard to use apt [14:44] soren: the one time I booted up, it populated 3 network cards. 2 of them were incorrect in terms of their mac address. [14:44] the 3rd one was fine [14:45] jason00: How are they "incorrect"? [14:45] I just want the system to, A, power on since it wont turn on all of the sudden, and B, put in the 2 proper NICs I want to use in the system [14:45] their mac address [14:45] is completely incorrect [14:45] jason00: Did it just make up random macs? [14:45] what? [14:45] no [14:45] er [14:45] yeah [14:45] I thought you asked if I made them up [14:45] What are these NIC's? [14:45] Make/model? [14:45] I'd tell ya if my system didnt shut off and not turn back on... [14:46] one is atheros... [14:46] the other I'm not sure. a 3com of some sort. [14:46] Do you have the macs? [14:46] Can I see them, please? [14:46] I'd tell ya if my system didnt shut off and not turn back on... [14:47] it didnt match what ifconfig was reporting [14:48] omg it lives. [14:48] jason00: It'll pass. [14:56] k, back up and running. still no persistent file. [14:56] :) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [15:33] New bug: #901710 in nova (main) "[SRU] Meta SRU for openstack updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901710 [15:39] RoAkSoAx, [15:39] so i insatlled obbler on oneiric (orchestra-server) [15:39] turned on a system that pxe booted from it. [15:39] i supposed i would get the option to "cobbler-enlist" [15:54] smoser: nope [15:54] smoser: [15:54] smoser: the cobbler-enlist feature is not on a mini iso [15:54] so how would i cobbler-enlist? [15:55] the menu i spoke of is the pxe menu [15:55] (not the iso menu) [15:55] smoser: plug in your ubuntu server iso and there would be a menu to cobbler enlist (this is before having a system in cobbler) [15:55] smoser: well cobbler-enlist is the ISO menu [15:55] smoser: in precise we will have a pxe menu with cobbler enlist [15:56] ah. ok. [15:56] thanks. [16:17] SpamapS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/901710 [16:17] Launchpad bug 901710 in nova "[SRU] Meta SRU for openstack updates" [Undecided,New] [16:19] RoAkSoAx, ping again [16:19] smoser: shoot [16:19] what would be the easiest way for me to pulug in a "run this script in-target" late command. [16:20] it seems like a general snippit for that would be nice. [16:20] smoser: yeah I think a snippet would be best too [16:20] smoser: but use a ksarg variable to fill the command for that snippet [16:27] anyone here using OpenJDK 7 on Oneiric? after installing on a new machine, of the 41 executables installed by java, 13 point to Java6 (including the 'java' command) and 28 point to Java7 (including the 'javac' command)... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/901758 [16:27] Launchpad bug 901758 in openjdk-7 "Mixed Java command versions after installing openjdk-7-jdk" [Undecided,New] [16:32] smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/763912/ [16:34] ^^^ review please :) [16:34] zul: Error: "^^" is not a valid command. [16:36] suo sucks [16:36] su [16:37] zul: ok thanks [16:37] the only comment i have is that you might as well do: [16:38] +exec su -s /bin/sh -c "exec glance-registry" glance [16:38] as otherwise, i think you have: [16:38] su waiting for sh, sh waiting for glance-registry [16:38] this will change that to [16:38] su waiting for glance-registry [16:38] smoser: k thanks [16:39] but test [16:39] :) [16:58] RoAkSoAx: ping [16:58] RoAkSoAx: https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/issues/8 - will this affect precise? I get the impression this was a regression with the csrf protection, looking at it in case oneiric-security causes a regression [16:59] I can't figure out how to reproduce it from the instructions given [17:01] rbasak: I just tested it on precise's cobbler and it doesn't seem to be affected [17:01] RoAkSoAx: OK, thanks. I'll go ahead with the backport without the fix [17:02] rbasak: but the bug report is for cobbler 2.3.1-1 while in precise we currently have cobbler-2.2.2 === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha [17:16] smoser, Daviey, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-December/255178.html ... is there any place i could point that guy from the ubuntu-users ML to ? [17:17] RoAkSoAx: please could you review lp:~racb/ubuntu/oneiric/cobbler/security_201112 - it's a bundle of all the security updates for oneiric, including the csrf bug [17:17] * zul lunches [17:18] is this openstack, ogra_ ? there is a large amount of missing information there. [17:18] rbasak: will addd it to my todo for today ;) [17:18] thanks :) [17:18] smoser, thats why i ask here, do you guys have an EC2 support ML or some such ? [17:19] seems unlikely that he will get the right info (or be asked for the right logs etc) on the ubuntu-users ML [17:20] i dont think that is ec2 [17:20] but there is an ubuntu-cloud mailing list [17:20] which would be more relevant. [17:20] thanks, i'll point him there [17:21] thanks ogra_ [18:01] is it possible to configure multiple network interfaces through preseeding? [18:07] hi all [18:08] hi, trying install Ubuntu server 10.04 on a system that already had a version of Red Hat installed with LVM. During install, it cannot partition the drive b/c an LVM exists. It says I have to remove that first. I don't know how, can someone help? [18:11] tash: i think you want vgremove and pvremove [18:11] can I run that from the installer though? Or do I have to boot to the hard disk? [18:12] if the installer has a shell and lvm commands yes [18:12] drat. i've managed to make sudo not setuid-root. [18:13] yay, found an open root shell [18:21] RoAkSoAx, http://pad.daviey.com/smoser-cobbler-late-command is what i came up with. [18:21] looks reasonably usable. other than needing to add a snppiit file. [18:28] blkperl: do you know which to use first? vgremove pvremove [18:28] that order? [18:28] smoser: you might want to change the password while you are there as well [18:28] vgchange first :) [18:29] to deactivate it [18:30] patdk-wk: vgchange or just vgchange? [18:31] vgchange -a n volgroup [18:32] basically, unmount it first, before you mess with it :) [18:33] this would be easier if I was not remote ... I don't have a way of connecting remotely and have to walk someone through it [18:33] so, to find the volgroup, will 'mount' tell me that? [18:35] hmm, vgdisplay may do the trick to show me that, no? [18:40] vgdisplay [18:40] vgs [18:40] vgscan [18:40] etc [18:50] what is the expected behavior if i bring up a network interface using an IP address already in use? [18:51] i did that by accident last night and i don't see anything in the error log and it let me do it [18:52] smoser: cool, I'll look inot it further.. though I also wanna separate the late command template into a common place to be re-used [18:52] instead of manually adding it to each .py file we create [18:52] that makes sense. [18:52] which woudl then make *that* thing able to use python dirctly. [18:52] indeed [18:53] i also thought of having just by default running scripts in run-parts order from /var/lib/cobbler/late_command.d [18:53] or something [18:53] early_command.d would also be possible [18:53] yeah that'd also be like a good idea [18:53] then all i have to do is put stuff in that directory rather than modifying [18:54] smoser: yeah [18:55] RoAkSoAx: have you thought of moving redhat snippets and ubuntu snippets in their own directories? [18:56] zul: what I was thinking is just to be: ubuntu_abc_xyz, ubuntu_123_456 and so on [18:56] zul: but organizing into files sounds like a good idea [18:57] err into directories* [18:58] zul: so snippets/ubuntu/orchestra/ too then [18:58] RoAkSoAx, i thought i read that there is some provision for using distro specifcik kickstart scripts... [18:58] something.. [18:59] smoser: https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/wiki/KickstartSnippets [18:59] /var/lib/cobbler/snippets/per_distro/$snippet_name/$distro_name [19:00] under "Advance Snippets" [19:03] utlemming, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/901826 [19:03] Launchpad bug 901826 in ubuntu "cloud image tarballs have -generic kernel" [High,Confirmed] [19:03] RoAkSoAx, right. thats what i read. [19:04] * utlemming looks [19:05] is there another kernel i should use for kvm other than -server? [19:05] incorrect, you *can* use -virtual [19:05] but it may not have everything you want. [19:06] its just smaller, less modules and drivers [19:06] just wondered if there was one that would be better suited [19:07] smoser: I'll have a code review shortly for you on that [19:11] smoser: that's a one line fix [19:12] how can I update phpmyadmin if i installed it with apt-get ? [19:23] orudie: what version do you have now and what release of 'buntu are you using? [19:38] SpamapS: fwiw, I've got a php 5.4.0 rc2 package in progress, waiting on the PPA buildds to tell me how it goes. I based it off the beta2 package in experimental [19:46] orudie: uninstall phpmyadmin and reinstall it from source - see #phpmyadmin for details :þ [19:50] smoser: fix submitted for merge approval [19:59] https://code.launchpad.net/~utlemming/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds.901826/+merge/85018 [20:36] ahs3: have you had a chance to look at the netcf updates? [20:37] hallyn: sigh. not yet :(. day job has been getting in the way. do you have deadline you want to meet? [20:38] ahs3: not particularly, it just occurred to me as i was considering doing the MIR. Though I do think the libnl switch will make the difference in debian's libvirt being able to link against it. [20:38] to be clear: ic an't upload to it myself, right? [20:39] hallyn: ah, good to know. no, you need to be a DM or DD so that you're in the keyring. [20:40] i'm hoping to get to it tomorrow...but none of this week has gone as planned :) [20:40] ahs3: i know how it goes :) thanks much [20:42] hallyn: np. sorry for the delays [20:44] Daviey: played with netcf on new precise install, working fine. [21:16] Anyone doing syncrepl proxy in ldap? [21:18] raubvogel: Syncrepl proxy? We use olcSyncProvConfig .. [21:19] raubvogel: syncprov I mean. [21:20] baffle: I want to do this: http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/replication.html#Syncrepl%20Proxy and am not getting the ldap proxy part of the show [21:20] Reason is I want the master/provider to push the data to the replicas since master is behind nat [21:22] I'm getting an error trying to start a VM on my Ubuntu 10.04 server. "Error starting domain: could not remove profile for 'libvirt-672b346a-65d4-41be-96f9-a83ef556efb2'" [21:23] I think it started after a recent upgrade to some libvirt packages... [21:23] Anyone else experiencing this? [21:23] Any suggestions? [21:31] sighs, I lost my notes on partitioning a drive for ext4 manually [21:31] fdisk? [21:31] raubvogel: Oh, that's not like our setup. [21:32] raubvogel: I think we do master master master replication. :) [21:33] baffle: what I had before was a garden-variety delta syncrepl. And It made sense to me. But I have not wrapped my mind int he syncreply proxy thingie. [21:35] RoAkSoAx, have you ever seen this? [21:36] i did a precise install from cobbler/orhestra [21:36] it got through, disabled netboot, and then it boots, i see a flicker of the selection screen, then "press a key to reboot" [21:36] as if its not falling back to the disk [21:36] if i select the disk to boot from rather than network, all is well (ie, the disk *does* boot fine). [21:37] ahs3: Daviey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/764276/ libvirt hookup to netcf was as trivial as you'd hope [21:41] hallyn: very sweet. well done :) [21:41] ahs3: had to make sure that would work before doing the MIR :) [21:41] cause otherwise wouldn't i feel the fool [21:42] sheesh. details, man [21:42] ahs3: say, now, if i ITP another package, does it ever happen that people jsut happen by willing to sponsor it, or does one always need to basically ping someone directly? === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk [21:43] hallyn: Oh, netcf + libvirt in Ubuntu? Been waiting for that for a while. :) [21:43] baffle: good to hear :) but netcf won't be built into libvirt until it's in main [21:44] hallyn: it can always go in the mentors queue. someone may get interested and sponsor it, or you may get impatient and poke someone [21:44] ahs3: ok, thx. i'l lworry about that after MIRs [21:53] smoser: hardware or VM? [21:53] smoser: is this with latest cobbler? [22:07]