| rick_h_ | morning | 12:23 |
|---|---|---|
| Wolfger | morning | 12:57 |
| brousch | good | 12:58 |
| Wolfger | greg-g: So you don't want me there. Fine. I can take a hint. :-) | 12:58 |
| brousch | although i'm dealing with an asshat windows software vendor that wants me to turn off UAC, open my network shares to admin accounts, and run his program as administrator | 12:59 |
| Wolfger | brousch: what did you expect from a Windows software vendor? | 13:02 |
| brousch | i have no other programs that require this | 13:02 |
| brousch | so, i expected him to fix this kind of thing since vista's been out for 5 years | 13:02 |
| Wolfger | Everybody knows that everybody runs Windows with admin privileges at all times... | 13:02 |
| brousch | Wolfger: hah, i'll bet they don't even give you power user | 13:03 |
| brousch | your corporate overlords | 13:03 |
| brousch | i've been here 11 years and i can count the viruses we've had on one woodshop-teacher's hand. there's a reason we don't run as admin | 13:04 |
| Wolfger | :-) | 13:08 |
| Wolfger | I get two accounts. One is capable of running apps, the other has not-quite-admin rights to install things. | 13:10 |
| Wolfger | the app-running account can't even change the IP address of the NIC | 13:11 |
| Wolfger | which is a real pain for my job at times | 13:11 |
| Wolfger | sad news http://www.freep.com/article/20111208/NEWS07/112080607/Detroit-native-Harry-Morgan-starred-M-S-H-Dragnet- | 13:22 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Yeah, that was all over the net yesterday. | 13:26 |
| jrwren | anyone excited about Mark S. today? | 14:39 |
| jrwren | I didn't register to watch because I try not to use Flash. Now I"m thinking I want to watch anyway, becuase juju sounds too cool | 14:39 |
| jrwren | i guess everyone is too busy watching to chat. | 15:10 |
| jrwren | i tuned in. | 15:10 |
| mydogsname1srudy | morning to ya | 15:15 |
| krondor | morning | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Haven't drunk the juju kool-aid yet. | 15:21 |
| Wolfger | it's not kool-aid, it's bees | 15:22 |
| Wolfger | jujubees | 15:22 |
| snap-l | bah | 15:22 |
| brousch | i haven't eaten the jujubees yet | 15:22 |
| brousch | i wonder if they could be infused with alcohol like gummy bears | 15:23 |
| snap-l | I'm just grateful that food science is working hard to make things that are insanely bad for us | 15:24 |
| mydogsname1srudy | just go to mICKYdE FOR that | 15:24 |
| brousch | wow, that is a stretch | 15:25 |
| Wolfger | what's a stretch? Calling Micky D's "food science"? | 15:30 |
| mydogsname1srudy | its not real food. | 15:31 |
| Wolfger | I don't know if they invented "meat glue", but they sure made it popular with McNuggets. And now celebrity chefs use it to make fancy dishes. | 15:31 |
| mydogsname1srudy | hmmm not to sure i like this new gnome desktop | 15:35 |
| _stink_ | what is 'real food'? | 15:35 |
| mydogsname1srudy | steak and eggs | 15:36 |
| _stink_ | oh ok | 15:36 |
| mydogsname1srudy | fry taters and inions | 15:36 |
| mydogsname1srudy | and beer | 15:36 |
| _stink_ | sounds like you really like breakfast food | 15:36 |
| _stink_ | :) | 15:36 |
| mydogsname1srudy | i do | 15:36 |
| Wolfger | beer for breakfast: ++ | 15:36 |
| mydogsname1srudy | is it lunch time yet | 15:37 |
| _stink_ | hehe | 15:37 |
| mydogsname1srudy | ok i want my sceensaver back | 15:37 |
| snap-l | mydogsname1srudy: Good luck with that. | 15:46 |
| snap-l | http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-activate-screen-saver-in-ubuntu-11-10/ | 15:46 |
| brousch | you don't need a screensaver | 15:47 |
| Wolfger | Hah! American boy sends message in a bottle out to sea, gets response via e-mail. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/ny-boy-sends-message-in-a-bottle-gets-reply-from-azores/ | 15:47 |
| Wolfger | brousch: everybody needs a screensaver | 15:48 |
| brousch | no, if you needed a screensaver they'd have given you one | 15:48 |
| brousch | so obviously you don't | 15:48 |
| Wolfger | that is the one feature I kept asking for in Digikam... the ability to create a screensaver on digikam tags | 15:48 |
| Wolfger | brousch: "they" who? I have a screensaver. "They" gave it to me. | 15:49 |
| brousch | the gnomes | 15:51 |
| Wolfger | That would be one (of many) reasons I don't deal with gnomes | 15:52 |
| Wolfger | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-08/ | 16:00 |
| Wolfger | "Ask Slashdot: Is Your Data Safe In the Cloud?" .... I'm not even going to click on that link. I'm too busy laughing. | 16:09 |
| greg-g | Wolfger: :P (re not wanting you here) | 16:30 |
| mydogsname1srudy | now i cant see my pictures flash by my eyes | 16:33 |
| mydogsname1srudy | will that work on 12.04 snap-l | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | bah, irc hung for an hour and I thought it was just low traffic | 16:34 |
| snap-l | mydogsname1srudy: I'm not sure. I don't see any reason it shouldn't but I don't know for certain | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | now I'm all behind | 16:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Hah | 16:34 |
| mydogsname1srudy | firefox would not install the flash plugin had to go in terminal and install .. | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | mydogsname1srudy: yea, that's normal | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | firefox doesn't know enough to really do the install like on other systems | 16:36 |
| mydogsname1srudy | i guess | 16:36 |
| snap-l | On Windows, it's the .exe that handles the dirty work | 16:37 |
| snap-l | Under Ubuntu, the install-flashplugin package should do the dirty work (iirc) | 16:37 |
| snap-l | flashplugin-installer | 16:37 |
| Wolfger | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6200/are-there-rich-programmers | 16:46 |
| Wolfger | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41050/why-isnt-software-as-reliable-as-a-car | 16:46 |
| brousch | https://plus.google.com/u/0/102663141609195877664/posts | 16:47 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Just stop. :) | 16:47 |
| snap-l | brousch: nice! | 16:48 |
| brousch | i feel like i'm in a music video with that filter | 16:48 |
| dzho | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/stallman-kth.html <- Wolfger, that first link reminds me of this ;) 'They always say: “How will I eat?”, but the problem is not really how “Will he eat?”, but “How will he eat sushi?”.' | 16:52 |
| dzho | oh, damb. that doesn't even show up in the top ten Google hits for "infinite sandwich" | 16:54 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: felt compelled to comment on the "reliable as cars" post.... Software is 100% reliable. Whatever you program the computer to do, it will do, every time. That's the definition of reliable, isn't it? | 17:09 |
| dzho | haha | 17:11 |
| dzho | "look who bought the myth" | 17:11 |
| * dzho challenges Wolfger to a Game of Life | 17:13 | |
| snap-l | Well, that's a stupid assertion | 17:25 |
| snap-l | things age. Cars break down over time because of wear | 17:26 |
| snap-l | computers break down because of moving parts outside of their control | 17:26 |
| snap-l | software breaks because of moving parts outside of their control | 17:26 |
| snap-l | Also, I'm tired of software being compared to cars. | 17:27 |
| snap-l | It's a stupid analogy, and it needs to stop | 17:27 |
| Wolfger | Everything that breaks down is hardware. :-p | 17:31 |
| Wolfger | software can be rewritten, but it doesn't wear out. | 17:31 |
| Wolfger | But yeah, the analogy needs to die. The Microsoft Car was funny, once, when Win95 was the gold standard (it hurt my brain to type that...) | 17:32 |
| dzho | software these days is only deterministic in a very limited sense. | 17:34 |
| dzho | and, it is very rare for one person to program all the code that a computer will run. | 17:35 |
| * dzho is thinking this might apply to some embedded systems, perhaps. | 17:35 | |
| dzho | snap-l, Wolfger one is hard pressed to try to get some sort of understanding from non tech people though | 17:36 |
| dzho | and it's not like we can just ignore them, these days. | 17:37 |
| dzho | for one, some of them vote. | 17:37 |
| dzho | then again, I suppose the car analogy might have a deeper emotional resonance for bits of -us-mi than I otherwise would appreciate? | 17:39 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: do you know who has access to the coffeehousecoders twitter account? I ask so I can ask my second question (really my first) which is: Why don't you announce CHC via that channel also? | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: no, I'm not sure who has access. I'd have to check with someone in the irc channel and ask around | 18:02 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: cool, just curious | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: and since I don't know, I don't post. It is aggregated on the main site via the hash tag usually, but yea, it's not cool/official | 18:02 |
| * greg-g nods | 18:03 | |
| snap-l | greg-g: FYI: I have your MUG invoice for 2012 | 18:04 |
| snap-l | LMK if you want it. :) | 18:04 |
| greg-g | snap-l: :P | 18:05 |
| snap-l | Well, you never know. ;-) | 18:05 |
| greg-g | I'm already having a tough time figuring out who gets my donations this year | 18:05 |
| snap-l | Yeah, no worries | 18:06 |
| snap-l | I figure with greg-g++, it's probably going to get a little tigher around the wallet-line | 18:08 |
| greg-g | snap-l: a tad, yeah :) | 18:08 |
| _stink_ | heh, greg-g++ | 18:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | in reference to what? | 18:34 |
| Wolfger | that is apparently snap-l's nickname for the child process of greg-g | 18:36 |
| Wolfger | http://askubuntu.com/questions/85902/ubuntu-one-significantly-slower-than-dropbox | 18:39 |
| brousch | maybe it runs on an inferior cloud platform | 18:40 |
| snap-l | https://twitter.com/#!/squeekyhoho/status/144852444839550978/photo/1 | 18:58 |
| snap-l | Just got this in the mail | 18:59 |
| brousch | apple keyboard in the photo. EXTERMINATE | 18:59 |
| Wolfger | Heh. | 19:03 |
| Wolfger | Somebody sent me an Onion News video about the new Apple keyboardless laptop last night... | 19:04 |
| Wolfger | ...I thought to myself, "That's really not funny at all. It exists, and it's called an iPad" | 19:04 |
| greg-g | snap-l: awesome | 19:10 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yah, and they used Dewey in their library. :) | 19:13 |
| snap-l | Noticed the sticker on the spine, and then noticed the sticker on the back cover. | 19:13 |
| greg-g | cool | 19:13 |
| snap-l | and thought to myself $6 for something from DEC's library is more than awesome. | 19:13 |
| greg-g | oh, you bought it? | 19:14 |
| snap-l | Yeah, on Amazon | 19:14 |
| greg-g | awesome! | 19:14 |
| snap-l | Cover is a little worse for wear, but knowing that folks at DEC pawed on it has a certain sense of history. | 19:15 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:15 |
| brousch | they dna is on your fingers now | 19:18 |
| brousch | lick your fingers and you will gain their powers | 19:22 |
| greg-g | mmmmm DEC juice | 19:22 |
| snap-l | So I'll make great tech that fails in the marketplace because of stupid licensing and pricing decisions? | 19:28 |
| snap-l | Oh well, I guess it's a start. | 19:29 |
| Wolfger | Would you rather make great tech that fails in the marketplace, or shoddy tech that succeeds? | 19:32 |
| Wolfger | (assuming you can't do both) | 19:32 |
| snap-l | Well, Microsoft has made quite a fortune making the latter. ;) | 19:32 |
| brousch | so is money or quality more important to you? | 19:37 |
| snap-l | quality is more important than money | 19:42 |
| brousch | obviously. otherwise you'd be in #fapple | 19:43 |
| snap-l | jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opFXNDbxzvU | 19:48 |
| snap-l | Apparently the Death Magnetic sessions had some good songs | 19:49 |
| snap-l | Not sure why they decided to hold this back | 19:50 |
| snap-l | jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mRQXRsQao | 19:51 |
| brousch | impossible. metallica has not had any good songs since 1991 | 19:52 |
| snap-l | Seriously, WTF. | 19:52 |
| snap-l | The lyrics are a bit daft, but this is pretty decent | 19:53 |
| brousch | hetfield needs to get back on the drugs | 19:56 |
| snap-l | I'll never recommend a band go back on drugs just for my entertainment | 19:58 |
| snap-l | but, all the same, it sounds a hell of a lot better than what they pinched off for Death Magnetic. | 19:58 |
| snap-l | I <3 making a Makefile for my exit document (used RST) | 20:19 |
| greg-g | exit document? | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Oh, yeah, I haven't mentioned that, have I | 20:20 |
| snap-l | I'm leaving ALU, heading to Morpace | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Taking over for some guy named rick_h_ | 20:21 |
| greg-g | isn't that... | 20:21 |
| greg-g | yeah, cool | 20:21 |
| greg-g | congrats! | 20:21 |
| snap-l | Thanks! | 20:21 |
| greg-g | (right?) | 20:21 |
| snap-l | Yeah, this is an improvement | 20:21 |
| brousch | sriously?! | 20:21 |
| snap-l | at least I'll have some direction | 20:21 |
| greg-g | awesome, congrats some more then :) | 20:21 |
| snap-l | Thanks! | 20:21 |
| snap-l | Looking forward to it | 20:22 |
| greg-g | so, when do you think you'll apply for a job with Launchpad? | 20:22 |
| brousch | that's great news! | 20:22 |
| rick_h_ | we'll make a python dev of him yet :P | 20:22 |
| snap-l | shhhh, that's the second phase. | 20:22 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:22 |
| snap-l | Step 1: Become awesome like rick_h_ | 20:22 |
| snap-l | Step 2: ... | 20:22 |
| rick_h_ | I don't know, I'm nervous. Last time I recruited from in channel to replace me it went badly | 20:22 |
| snap-l | Step 3: Canonical | 20:22 |
| brousch | i thought ColonelPanic001 was recruited that way | 20:23 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yes | 20:23 |
| rick_h_ | and widox | 20:23 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Don't worry. I won't blame you if it goes pear-shaped. | 20:23 |
| rick_h_ | though I guess everyone made out ok in the end | 20:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | wat | 20:23 |
| snap-l | I have that luck as well, where when I leave somewhere, everything goes pear-shaped | 20:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | oh, yeah. I was. See? Bad method. | 20:24 |
| snap-l | either I'm the glue that keeps things together, or I'm the catalyst. | 20:24 |
| snap-l | not entirely sure. | 20:24 |
| brousch | you're irreplacable | 20:25 |
| rick_h_ | I always think that at my places, but I keep getting replaced and they move on | 20:26 |
| rick_h_ | my big head is getting crushed | 20:26 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Heh | 20:26 |
| widox | snap-l: congrats man! | 20:27 |
| greg-g | well, right after I left my old job, they got sued, so, I'm feeling OK about that :) | 20:27 |
| snap-l | I guess you'll have made it when you make it in the quarterly report they file with the SEC | 20:27 |
| widox | also, watch out for remanants of rick_h_ path! :p | 20:27 |
| snap-l | widox: Heh, should be all good | 20:27 |
| snap-l | PLanning on learning at the proverbial feet of the master | 20:28 |
| snap-l | but if I start running Arch and Awesome, someone fetch me a straight-jacket. | 20:28 |
| widox | at least we can keep hearing stories about the NC guy... | 20:28 |
| snap-l | hah, yeah | 20:29 |
| rick_h_ | widox: I know right? CHC is going to be awkward "So...I saw that crap you did Rick, and I had to debug and fix that crazy a$$ @#$#@" | 20:29 |
| widox | they make me feel like a better developer :D | 20:29 |
| snap-l | I might need rick_h_'s coordinates. | 20:29 |
| snap-l | coordinates for the nukes he was going to unleash at NC. | 20:29 |
| rick_h_ | I was going to say, you planning adjusting hte aiming points a bit NW? | 20:29 |
| snap-l | Heh, no. | 20:30 |
| snap-l | I know you did your best. | 20:30 |
| brousch | rick_h_'s stuff is all automated. it should be easy to jump in! | 20:33 |
| snap-l | make work | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: ummm, yea...that's it | 20:33 |
| snap-l | make: *** No rule to make target `work'. Stop. | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | hah, no, it's all fabric | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | fab -l | 20:33 |
| snap-l | Oh, fuck | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | fab prod deploy_fixes | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | so make sure you remember that command, you'll need it I'm sure :) | 20:34 |
| * snap-l cancels his drug test | 20:34 | |
| snap-l | Full stop. No fabric. ;) | 20:34 |
| rick_h_ | but but but...fabric is cool, I'm a committer :) | 20:35 |
| brousch | snap-l: move all of the pyramid stuff to django | 20:38 |
| Blazeix | I hear ASP.NET is the Way Forward. | 20:38 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: I thought we'd convert everything to J2EE, personally | 20:42 |
| snap-l | it's more enterprisey | 20:43 |
| snap-l | Even says "Enterprise" | 20:43 |
| brousch | then you can dump vim and move to eclipse too! | 20:43 |
| snap-l | It's a win win win win win | 20:44 |
| snap-l | WINNING! | 20:44 |
| Blazeix | if you use J2EE, you can integrate directly with ColdFusion. There's really no reason not too. | 20:45 |
| snap-l | God, it just gets better and better | 20:45 |
| snap-l | Next you'll tell me that I can use JBoss OR Tomcat | 20:46 |
| snap-l | Or even WebSphere. | 20:46 |
| brousch | Google Nexus released in Canada. We get to wait. http://goo.gl/Y3UEY | 21:00 |
| brousch | wow, my gmail tab in chrome is using 500MB of RAM by itself | 21:01 |
| snap-l | What the fuck. Apparently there was another shooting at VaTech | 21:02 |
| snap-l | http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/08/reports-of-shots-fired-at-virginia-tech/?hpt=hp_t3 | 21:02 |
| _stink_ | yeah | 21:04 |
| _stink_ | been following that | 21:04 |
| _stink_ | sad | 21:04 |
| snap-l | http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/usethefarce2.jpg | 21:14 |
| snap-l | Sent my roles / responsibilities to my current boss | 21:33 |
| _stink_ | any easter eggs? | 21:34 |
| snap-l | he told me to keep going on the list. I told him "That's pretty much it". | 21:34 |
| snap-l | Of course. :) | 21:34 |
| brousch | snap-l: when are you outtie? | 21:34 |
| snap-l | Not entirely sure, but I startie next year. | 21:34 |
| snap-l | Eclipse / JAX-WS / Axis2 / Tomcat / Java - For reviewing documentation and running example code | 21:35 |
| snap-l | Instructions included. Batteries not included. | 21:35 |
| brousch | ouch | 21:36 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yeah, fun stuff | 21:46 |
| brousch | now you'll be a python dev! that is very exciting | 21:47 |
| snap-l | At least it's not Java. :) | 21:47 |
| ColonelPanic001 | snap-l got a new job? Congrats | 21:52 |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: Thanks! | 21:52 |
| ColonelPanic001 | anywhere I've heard of? | 21:52 |
| snap-l | Heard of Morpace? | 21:53 |
| ColonelPanic001 | isn't that where Rick is? | 21:53 |
| snap-l | Was | 21:53 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ah, right | 21:53 |
| ColonelPanic001 | are you a new Rick? | 21:53 |
| snap-l | Si | 21:53 |
| snap-l | Rick in training | 21:54 |
| ColonelPanic001 | \o/ | 21:54 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I've been a rick in training, it's not too bad | 21:54 |
| snap-l | Doing a pre-flight of a holiday OMC | 21:57 |
| ColonelPanic001 | \o/ | 21:57 |
| greg-g | snap-l: you should check out the somaFM christmas stations, there's surpisingly some good stuff on there | 21:57 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I kind of want to get a car radio that takes USB so I can listen to podcasts/music in the car. OMC was one of them | 21:57 |
| snap-l | greg-g: You'll understand when you hear the intro to this episode why I might not heed those words. :) | 21:58 |
| greg-g | oh man, did I just get slammed? | 21:59 |
| snap-l | No, not really | 21:59 |
| snap-l | OK, quick poll: When should I release this episode? Tomorrow, or Next Friday? | 22:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Friday | 22:05 |
| greg-g | hmmm | 22:05 |
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