[12:23] <rick_h_> morning
[12:57] <Wolfger> morning
[12:58] <brousch> good
[12:58] <Wolfger> greg-g: So you don't want me there. Fine. I can take a hint. :-)
[12:59] <brousch> although i'm dealing with an asshat windows software vendor that wants me to turn off UAC, open my network shares to admin accounts, and run his program as administrator
[13:02] <Wolfger> brousch: what did you expect from a Windows software vendor?
[13:02] <brousch> i have no other programs that require this
[13:02] <brousch> so, i expected him to fix this kind of thing since vista's been out for 5 years
[13:02] <Wolfger> Everybody knows that everybody runs Windows with admin privileges at all times...
[13:03] <brousch> Wolfger: hah, i'll bet they don't even give you power user
[13:03] <brousch> your corporate overlords
[13:04] <brousch> i've been here 11 years and i can count the viruses we've had on one woodshop-teacher's hand. there's a reason we don't run as admin
[13:08] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:10] <Wolfger> I get two accounts. One is capable of running apps, the other has not-quite-admin rights to install things.
[13:11] <Wolfger> the app-running account can't even change the IP address of the NIC
[13:11] <Wolfger> which is a real pain for my job at times
[13:22] <Wolfger> sad news http://www.freep.com/article/20111208/NEWS07/112080607/Detroit-native-Harry-Morgan-starred-M-S-H-Dragnet-
[13:26] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, that was all over the net yesterday.
[14:39] <jrwren> anyone excited about Mark S. today?
[14:39] <jrwren> I didn't register to watch because I try not to use Flash. Now I"m thinking I want to watch anyway, becuase juju sounds too cool
[15:10] <jrwren> i guess everyone is too busy watching to chat.
[15:10] <jrwren> i tuned in.
[15:15] <mydogsname1srudy> morning to ya
[15:21] <krondor> morning
[15:21] <snap-l> Good morning
[15:21] <snap-l> Haven't drunk the juju kool-aid yet.
[15:22] <Wolfger> it's not kool-aid, it's bees
[15:22] <Wolfger> jujubees
[15:22] <snap-l> bah
[15:22] <brousch> i haven't eaten the jujubees yet
[15:23] <brousch> i wonder if they could be infused with alcohol like gummy bears
[15:24] <snap-l> I'm just grateful that food science is working hard to make things that are insanely bad for us
[15:24] <mydogsname1srudy> just go to mICKYdE FOR that
[15:25] <brousch> wow, that is a stretch
[15:30] <Wolfger> what's a stretch? Calling Micky D's "food science"?
[15:31] <mydogsname1srudy> its not real food.
[15:31] <Wolfger> I don't know if they invented "meat glue", but they sure made it popular with McNuggets. And now celebrity chefs use it to make fancy dishes.
[15:35] <mydogsname1srudy> hmmm not to sure i like this new gnome desktop
[15:35] <_stink_> what is 'real food'?
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> steak and eggs
[15:36] <_stink_> oh ok
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> fry taters and inions
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> and beer
[15:36] <_stink_> sounds like you really like breakfast food
[15:36] <_stink_> :)
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> i do
[15:36] <Wolfger> beer for breakfast: ++
[15:37] <mydogsname1srudy> is it lunch time yet
[15:37] <_stink_> hehe
[15:37] <mydogsname1srudy> ok i want my sceensaver back
[15:46] <snap-l> mydogsname1srudy: Good luck with that.
[15:46] <snap-l> http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-activate-screen-saver-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[15:47] <brousch> you don't need a screensaver
[15:47] <Wolfger> Hah! American boy sends message in a bottle out to sea, gets response via e-mail. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/ny-boy-sends-message-in-a-bottle-gets-reply-from-azores/
[15:48] <Wolfger> brousch: everybody needs a screensaver
[15:48] <brousch> no, if you needed a screensaver they'd have given you one
[15:48] <brousch> so obviously you don't
[15:48] <Wolfger> that is the one feature I kept asking for in Digikam... the ability to create a screensaver on digikam tags
[15:49] <Wolfger> brousch: "they" who? I have a screensaver. "They" gave it to me.
[15:51] <brousch> the gnomes
[15:52] <Wolfger> That would be one (of many) reasons I don't deal with gnomes
[16:00] <Wolfger> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-08/
[16:09] <Wolfger> "Ask Slashdot: Is Your Data Safe In the Cloud?"  ....  I'm not even going to click on that link. I'm too busy laughing.
[16:30] <greg-g> Wolfger: :P (re not wanting you here)
[16:33] <mydogsname1srudy> now i cant see my pictures flash by my eyes
[16:34] <mydogsname1srudy> will that work on 12.04 snap-l
[16:34] <rick_h_> bah, irc hung for an hour and I thought it was just low traffic
[16:34] <snap-l> mydogsname1srudy: I'm not sure. I don't see any reason it shouldn't but I don't know for certain
[16:34] <rick_h_> now I'm all behind
[16:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Hah
[16:36] <mydogsname1srudy> firefox would not install the flash plugin had to go in terminal and install ..
[16:36] <rick_h_> mydogsname1srudy: yea, that's normal
[16:36] <rick_h_> firefox doesn't know enough to really do the install like on other systems
[16:36] <mydogsname1srudy> i guess
[16:37] <snap-l> On Windows, it's the .exe that handles the dirty work
[16:37] <snap-l> Under Ubuntu, the install-flashplugin package should do the dirty work (iirc)
[16:37] <snap-l> flashplugin-installer
[16:46] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6200/are-there-rich-programmers
[16:46] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41050/why-isnt-software-as-reliable-as-a-car
[16:47] <brousch> https://plus.google.com/u/0/102663141609195877664/posts
[16:47] <snap-l> Wolfger: Just stop. :)
[16:48] <snap-l> brousch: nice!
[16:48] <brousch> i feel like i'm in a music video with that filter
[16:52] <dzho> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/stallman-kth.html <- Wolfger, that first link reminds me of this ;)  'They always say: “How will I eat?”, but the problem is not really how “Will he eat?”, but “How will he eat sushi?”.'
[16:54] <dzho> oh, damb.  that doesn't even show up in the top ten Google hits for "infinite sandwich"
[17:09] <Wolfger> snap-l: felt compelled to comment on the "reliable as cars" post.... Software is 100% reliable. Whatever you program the computer to do, it will do, every time. That's the definition of reliable, isn't it?
[17:11] <dzho> haha
[17:11] <dzho> "look who bought the myth"
[17:13]  * dzho challenges Wolfger to a Game of Life
[17:25] <snap-l>  Well, that's a stupid assertion
[17:26] <snap-l> things age. Cars break down over time because of wear
[17:26] <snap-l> computers break down because of moving parts outside of their control
[17:26] <snap-l> software breaks because of moving parts outside of their control
[17:27] <snap-l> Also, I'm tired of software being compared to cars.
[17:27] <snap-l> It's a stupid analogy, and it needs to stop
[17:31] <Wolfger> Everything that breaks down is hardware. :-p
[17:31] <Wolfger> software can be rewritten, but it doesn't wear out.
[17:32] <Wolfger> But yeah, the analogy needs to die. The Microsoft Car was funny, once, when Win95 was the gold standard (it hurt my brain to type that...)
[17:34] <dzho> software these days is only deterministic in a very limited sense.
[17:35] <dzho> and, it is very rare for one person to program all the code that a computer will run.
[17:35]  * dzho is thinking this might apply to some embedded systems, perhaps.
[17:36] <dzho> snap-l, Wolfger one is hard pressed to try to get some sort of understanding from non tech people though
[17:37] <dzho> and it's not like we can just ignore them, these days.
[17:37] <dzho> for one, some of them vote.
[17:39] <dzho> then again, I suppose the car analogy might have a deeper emotional resonance for bits of -us-mi than I otherwise would appreciate?
[18:01] <greg-g> rick_h_: do you know who has access to the coffeehousecoders twitter account? I ask so I can ask my second question (really my first) which is: Why don't you announce CHC via that channel also?
[18:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: no, I'm not sure who has access. I'd have to check with someone in the irc channel and ask around
[18:02] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool, just curious
[18:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: and since I don't know, I don't post. It is aggregated on the main site via the hash tag usually, but yea, it's not cool/official
[18:03]  * greg-g nods
[18:04] <snap-l> greg-g: FYI: I have your MUG invoice for 2012
[18:04] <snap-l> LMK if you want it. :)
[18:05] <greg-g> snap-l: :P
[18:05] <snap-l> Well, you never know. ;-)
[18:05] <greg-g> I'm already having a tough time figuring out who gets my donations this year
[18:06] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries
[18:08] <snap-l> I figure with greg-g++, it's probably going to get a little tigher around the wallet-line
[18:08] <greg-g> snap-l: a tad, yeah :)
[18:33] <_stink_> heh, greg-g++
[18:34] <ColonelPanic001> in reference to what?
[18:36] <Wolfger> that is apparently snap-l's nickname for the child process of greg-g
[18:39] <Wolfger> http://askubuntu.com/questions/85902/ubuntu-one-significantly-slower-than-dropbox
[18:40] <brousch> maybe it runs on an inferior cloud platform
[18:58] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/squeekyhoho/status/144852444839550978/photo/1
[18:59] <snap-l> Just got this in the mail
[18:59] <brousch> apple keyboard in the photo. EXTERMINATE
[19:03] <Wolfger> Heh.
[19:04] <Wolfger> Somebody sent me an Onion News video about the new Apple keyboardless laptop last night...
[19:04] <Wolfger> ...I thought to myself, "That's really not funny at all. It exists, and it's called an iPad"
[19:10] <greg-g> snap-l: awesome
[19:13] <snap-l> greg-g: Yah, and they used Dewey in their library. :)
[19:13] <snap-l> Noticed the sticker on the spine, and then noticed the sticker on the back cover.
[19:13] <greg-g> cool
[19:13] <snap-l> and thought to myself $6 for something from DEC's library is more than awesome.
[19:14] <greg-g> oh, you bought it?
[19:14] <snap-l> Yeah, on Amazon
[19:14] <greg-g> awesome!
[19:15] <snap-l> Cover is a little worse for wear, but knowing that folks at DEC pawed on it has a certain sense of history.
[19:15] <greg-g> :)
[19:18] <brousch> they dna is on your fingers now
[19:22] <brousch> lick your fingers and you will gain their powers
[19:22] <greg-g> mmmmm DEC juice
[19:28] <snap-l> So I'll make great tech that fails in the marketplace because of stupid licensing and pricing decisions?
[19:29] <snap-l> Oh well, I guess it's a start.
[19:32] <Wolfger> Would you rather make great tech that fails in the marketplace, or shoddy tech that succeeds?
[19:32] <Wolfger> (assuming you can't do both)
[19:32] <snap-l> Well, Microsoft has made quite a fortune making the latter. ;)
[19:37] <brousch> so is money or quality more important to you?
[19:42] <snap-l> quality is more important than money
[19:43] <brousch> obviously. otherwise you'd be in #fapple
[19:48] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opFXNDbxzvU
[19:49] <snap-l> Apparently the Death Magnetic sessions had some good songs
[19:50] <snap-l> Not sure why they decided to hold this back
[19:51] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mRQXRsQao
[19:52] <brousch> impossible. metallica has not had any good songs since 1991
[19:52] <snap-l> Seriously, WTF.
[19:53] <snap-l> The lyrics are a bit daft, but this is pretty decent
[19:56] <brousch> hetfield needs to get back on the drugs
[19:58] <snap-l> I'll never recommend a band go back on drugs just for my entertainment
[19:58] <snap-l> but, all the same, it sounds a hell of a lot better than what they pinched off for Death Magnetic.
[20:19] <snap-l> I <3 making a Makefile for my exit document (used RST)
[20:20] <greg-g> exit document?
[20:20] <snap-l> Oh, yeah, I haven't mentioned that, have I
[20:20] <snap-l> I'm leaving ALU, heading to Morpace
[20:21] <snap-l> Taking over for some guy named rick_h_
[20:21] <greg-g> isn't that...
[20:21] <greg-g> yeah, cool
[20:21] <greg-g> congrats!
[20:21] <snap-l> Thanks!
[20:21] <greg-g> (right?)
[20:21] <snap-l> Yeah, this is an improvement
[20:21] <brousch> sriously?!
[20:21] <snap-l> at least I'll have some direction
[20:21] <greg-g> awesome, congrats some more then :)
[20:21] <snap-l> Thanks!
[20:22] <snap-l> Looking forward to it
[20:22] <greg-g> so, when do you think you'll apply for a job with Launchpad?
[20:22] <brousch> that's great news!
[20:22] <rick_h_> we'll make a python dev of him yet :P
[20:22] <snap-l> shhhh, that's the second phase.
[20:22] <greg-g> :)
[20:22] <snap-l> Step 1: Become awesome like rick_h_
[20:22] <snap-l> Step 2: ...
[20:22] <rick_h_> I don't know, I'm nervous. Last time I recruited from in channel to replace me it went badly
[20:22] <snap-l> Step 3: Canonical
[20:23] <brousch> i thought ColonelPanic001 was recruited that way
[20:23] <rick_h_> brousch: yes
[20:23] <rick_h_> and widox
[20:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: Don't worry. I won't blame you if it goes pear-shaped.
[20:23] <rick_h_> though I guess everyone made out ok in the end
[20:23] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[20:23] <snap-l> I have that luck as well, where when I leave somewhere, everything goes pear-shaped
[20:24] <ColonelPanic001> oh, yeah. I was. See? Bad method.
[20:24] <snap-l> either I'm the glue that keeps things together, or I'm the catalyst.
[20:24] <snap-l> not entirely sure.
[20:25] <brousch> you're irreplacable
[20:26] <rick_h_> I always think that at my places, but I keep getting replaced and they move on
[20:26] <rick_h_> my big head is getting crushed
[20:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Heh
[20:27] <widox> snap-l: congrats man!
[20:27] <greg-g> well, right after I left my old job, they got sued, so, I'm feeling OK about that :)
[20:27] <snap-l> I guess you'll have made it when you make it in the quarterly report they file with the SEC
[20:27] <widox> also, watch out for remanants of rick_h_ path! :p
[20:27] <snap-l> widox: Heh, should be all good
[20:28] <snap-l> PLanning on learning at the proverbial feet of the master
[20:28] <snap-l> but if I start running Arch and Awesome, someone fetch me a straight-jacket.
[20:28] <widox> at least we can keep hearing stories about the NC guy...
[20:29] <snap-l> hah, yeah
[20:29] <rick_h_> widox: I know right? CHC is going to be awkward "So...I saw that crap you did Rick, and I had to debug and fix that crazy a$$ @#$#@"
[20:29] <widox> they make me feel like a better developer :D
[20:29] <snap-l> I might need rick_h_'s coordinates.
[20:29] <snap-l> coordinates for the nukes he was going to unleash at NC.
[20:29] <rick_h_> I was going to say, you planning adjusting hte aiming points a bit NW?
[20:30] <snap-l> Heh, no.
[20:30] <snap-l> I know you did your best.
[20:33] <brousch> rick_h_'s stuff is all automated. it should be easy to jump in!
[20:33] <snap-l> make work
[20:33] <rick_h_> brousch: ummm, yea...that's it
[20:33] <snap-l> make: *** No rule to make target `work'.  Stop.
[20:33] <rick_h_> hah, no, it's all fabric
[20:33] <rick_h_> fab -l
[20:33] <snap-l> Oh, fuck
[20:33] <rick_h_> fab prod deploy_fixes
[20:34] <rick_h_> so make sure you remember that command, you'll need it I'm sure :)
[20:34]  * snap-l cancels his drug test
[20:34] <snap-l> Full stop. No fabric. ;)
[20:35] <rick_h_> but but but...fabric is cool, I'm a committer :)
[20:38] <brousch> snap-l: move all of the pyramid stuff to django
[20:38] <Blazeix> I hear ASP.NET is the Way Forward.
[20:42] <snap-l> Blazeix: I thought we'd convert everything to J2EE, personally
[20:43] <snap-l> it's more enterprisey
[20:43] <snap-l> Even says "Enterprise"
[20:43] <brousch> then you can dump vim and move to eclipse too!
[20:44] <snap-l> It's a win win win win win
[20:44] <snap-l> WINNING!
[20:45] <Blazeix> if you use J2EE, you can integrate directly with ColdFusion. There's really no reason not too.
[20:45] <snap-l> God, it just gets better and better
[20:46] <snap-l> Next you'll tell me that I can use JBoss OR Tomcat
[20:46] <snap-l> Or even WebSphere.
[21:00] <brousch> Google Nexus released in Canada. We get to wait. http://goo.gl/Y3UEY
[21:01] <brousch> wow, my gmail tab in chrome is using 500MB of RAM by itself
[21:02] <snap-l> What the fuck. Apparently there was another shooting at VaTech
[21:02] <snap-l> http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/08/reports-of-shots-fired-at-virginia-tech/?hpt=hp_t3
[21:04] <_stink_> yeah
[21:04] <_stink_> been following that
[21:04] <_stink_> sad
[21:14] <snap-l> http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/usethefarce2.jpg
[21:33] <snap-l> Sent my roles / responsibilities to my current boss
[21:34] <_stink_> any easter eggs?
[21:34] <snap-l> he told me to keep going on the list. I told him "That's pretty much it".
[21:34] <snap-l> Of course. :)
[21:34] <brousch> snap-l: when are you outtie?
[21:34] <snap-l> Not entirely sure, but I startie next year.
[21:35] <snap-l> Eclipse / JAX-WS / Axis2 / Tomcat / Java - For reviewing documentation and running example code
[21:35] <snap-l> Instructions included. Batteries not included.
[21:36] <brousch> ouch
[21:46] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, fun stuff
[21:47] <brousch> now you'll be a python dev! that is very exciting
[21:47] <snap-l> At least it's not Java. :)
[21:52] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l got a new job? Congrats
[21:52] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Thanks!
[21:52] <ColonelPanic001> anywhere I've heard of?
[21:53] <snap-l> Heard of Morpace?
[21:53] <ColonelPanic001> isn't that where Rick is?
[21:53] <snap-l> Was
[21:53] <ColonelPanic001> ah, right
[21:53] <ColonelPanic001> are you a new Rick?
[21:53] <snap-l> Si
[21:54] <snap-l> Rick in training
[21:54] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[21:54] <ColonelPanic001> I've been a rick in training, it's not too bad
[21:57] <snap-l> Doing a pre-flight of a holiday OMC
[21:57] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[21:57] <greg-g> snap-l: you should check out the somaFM christmas stations, there's surpisingly some good stuff on there
[21:57] <ColonelPanic001> I kind of want to get a car radio that takes USB so I can listen to podcasts/music in the car. OMC was one of them
[21:58] <snap-l> greg-g: You'll understand when you hear the intro to this episode why I might not heed those words. :)
[21:59] <greg-g> oh man, did I just get slammed?
[21:59] <snap-l> No, not really
[22:00] <snap-l> OK, quick poll: When should I release this episode? Tomorrow, or Next Friday?
[22:05] <ColonelPanic001> Friday
[22:05] <greg-g> hmmm