[12:23] morning [12:57] morning [12:58] good [12:58] greg-g: So you don't want me there. Fine. I can take a hint. :-) [12:59] although i'm dealing with an asshat windows software vendor that wants me to turn off UAC, open my network shares to admin accounts, and run his program as administrator [13:02] brousch: what did you expect from a Windows software vendor? [13:02] i have no other programs that require this [13:02] so, i expected him to fix this kind of thing since vista's been out for 5 years [13:02] Everybody knows that everybody runs Windows with admin privileges at all times... [13:03] Wolfger: hah, i'll bet they don't even give you power user [13:03] your corporate overlords [13:04] i've been here 11 years and i can count the viruses we've had on one woodshop-teacher's hand. there's a reason we don't run as admin [13:08] :-) [13:10] I get two accounts. One is capable of running apps, the other has not-quite-admin rights to install things. [13:11] the app-running account can't even change the IP address of the NIC [13:11] which is a real pain for my job at times [13:22] sad news http://www.freep.com/article/20111208/NEWS07/112080607/Detroit-native-Harry-Morgan-starred-M-S-H-Dragnet- [13:26] Wolfger: Yeah, that was all over the net yesterday. [14:39] anyone excited about Mark S. today? [14:39] I didn't register to watch because I try not to use Flash. Now I"m thinking I want to watch anyway, becuase juju sounds too cool [15:10] i guess everyone is too busy watching to chat. [15:10] i tuned in. [15:15] morning to ya [15:21] morning [15:21] Good morning [15:21] Haven't drunk the juju kool-aid yet. [15:22] it's not kool-aid, it's bees [15:22] jujubees [15:22] bah [15:22] i haven't eaten the jujubees yet [15:23] i wonder if they could be infused with alcohol like gummy bears [15:24] I'm just grateful that food science is working hard to make things that are insanely bad for us [15:24] just go to mICKYdE FOR that [15:25] wow, that is a stretch [15:30] what's a stretch? Calling Micky D's "food science"? [15:31] its not real food. [15:31] I don't know if they invented "meat glue", but they sure made it popular with McNuggets. And now celebrity chefs use it to make fancy dishes. [15:35] hmmm not to sure i like this new gnome desktop [15:35] <_stink_> what is 'real food'? [15:36] steak and eggs [15:36] <_stink_> oh ok [15:36] fry taters and inions [15:36] and beer [15:36] <_stink_> sounds like you really like breakfast food [15:36] <_stink_> :) [15:36] i do [15:36] beer for breakfast: ++ [15:37] is it lunch time yet [15:37] <_stink_> hehe [15:37] ok i want my sceensaver back [15:46] mydogsname1srudy: Good luck with that. [15:46] http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-activate-screen-saver-in-ubuntu-11-10/ [15:47] you don't need a screensaver [15:47] Hah! American boy sends message in a bottle out to sea, gets response via e-mail. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/ny-boy-sends-message-in-a-bottle-gets-reply-from-azores/ [15:48] brousch: everybody needs a screensaver [15:48] no, if you needed a screensaver they'd have given you one [15:48] so obviously you don't [15:48] that is the one feature I kept asking for in Digikam... the ability to create a screensaver on digikam tags [15:49] brousch: "they" who? I have a screensaver. "They" gave it to me. [15:51] the gnomes [15:52] That would be one (of many) reasons I don't deal with gnomes [16:00] http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-08/ [16:09] "Ask Slashdot: Is Your Data Safe In the Cloud?" .... I'm not even going to click on that link. I'm too busy laughing. [16:30] Wolfger: :P (re not wanting you here) [16:33] now i cant see my pictures flash by my eyes [16:34] will that work on 12.04 snap-l [16:34] bah, irc hung for an hour and I thought it was just low traffic [16:34] mydogsname1srudy: I'm not sure. I don't see any reason it shouldn't but I don't know for certain [16:34] now I'm all behind [16:34] rick_h_: Hah [16:36] firefox would not install the flash plugin had to go in terminal and install .. [16:36] mydogsname1srudy: yea, that's normal [16:36] firefox doesn't know enough to really do the install like on other systems [16:36] i guess [16:37] On Windows, it's the .exe that handles the dirty work [16:37] Under Ubuntu, the install-flashplugin package should do the dirty work (iirc) [16:37] flashplugin-installer [16:46] http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6200/are-there-rich-programmers [16:46] http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41050/why-isnt-software-as-reliable-as-a-car [16:47] https://plus.google.com/u/0/102663141609195877664/posts [16:47] Wolfger: Just stop. :) [16:48] brousch: nice! [16:48] i feel like i'm in a music video with that filter [16:52] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/stallman-kth.html <- Wolfger, that first link reminds me of this ;) 'They always say: “How will I eat?”, but the problem is not really how “Will he eat?”, but “How will he eat sushi?”.' [16:54] oh, damb. that doesn't even show up in the top ten Google hits for "infinite sandwich" [17:09] snap-l: felt compelled to comment on the "reliable as cars" post.... Software is 100% reliable. Whatever you program the computer to do, it will do, every time. That's the definition of reliable, isn't it? [17:11] haha [17:11] "look who bought the myth" [17:13] * dzho challenges Wolfger to a Game of Life [17:25] Well, that's a stupid assertion [17:26] things age. Cars break down over time because of wear [17:26] computers break down because of moving parts outside of their control [17:26] software breaks because of moving parts outside of their control [17:27] Also, I'm tired of software being compared to cars. [17:27] It's a stupid analogy, and it needs to stop [17:31] Everything that breaks down is hardware. :-p [17:31] software can be rewritten, but it doesn't wear out. [17:32] But yeah, the analogy needs to die. The Microsoft Car was funny, once, when Win95 was the gold standard (it hurt my brain to type that...) [17:34] software these days is only deterministic in a very limited sense. [17:35] and, it is very rare for one person to program all the code that a computer will run. [17:35] * dzho is thinking this might apply to some embedded systems, perhaps. [17:36] snap-l, Wolfger one is hard pressed to try to get some sort of understanding from non tech people though [17:37] and it's not like we can just ignore them, these days. [17:37] for one, some of them vote. [17:39] then again, I suppose the car analogy might have a deeper emotional resonance for bits of -us-mi than I otherwise would appreciate? [18:01] rick_h_: do you know who has access to the coffeehousecoders twitter account? I ask so I can ask my second question (really my first) which is: Why don't you announce CHC via that channel also? [18:02] greg-g: no, I'm not sure who has access. I'd have to check with someone in the irc channel and ask around [18:02] rick_h_: cool, just curious [18:02] greg-g: and since I don't know, I don't post. It is aggregated on the main site via the hash tag usually, but yea, it's not cool/official [18:03] * greg-g nods [18:04] greg-g: FYI: I have your MUG invoice for 2012 [18:04] LMK if you want it. :) [18:05] snap-l: :P [18:05] Well, you never know. ;-) [18:05] I'm already having a tough time figuring out who gets my donations this year [18:06] Yeah, no worries [18:08] I figure with greg-g++, it's probably going to get a little tigher around the wallet-line [18:08] snap-l: a tad, yeah :) [18:33] <_stink_> heh, greg-g++ [18:34] in reference to what? [18:36] that is apparently snap-l's nickname for the child process of greg-g [18:39] http://askubuntu.com/questions/85902/ubuntu-one-significantly-slower-than-dropbox [18:40] maybe it runs on an inferior cloud platform [18:58] https://twitter.com/#!/squeekyhoho/status/144852444839550978/photo/1 [18:59] Just got this in the mail [18:59] apple keyboard in the photo. EXTERMINATE [19:03] Heh. [19:04] Somebody sent me an Onion News video about the new Apple keyboardless laptop last night... [19:04] ...I thought to myself, "That's really not funny at all. It exists, and it's called an iPad" [19:10] snap-l: awesome [19:13] greg-g: Yah, and they used Dewey in their library. :) [19:13] Noticed the sticker on the spine, and then noticed the sticker on the back cover. [19:13] cool [19:13] and thought to myself $6 for something from DEC's library is more than awesome. [19:14] oh, you bought it? [19:14] Yeah, on Amazon [19:14] awesome! [19:15] Cover is a little worse for wear, but knowing that folks at DEC pawed on it has a certain sense of history. [19:15] :) [19:18] they dna is on your fingers now [19:22] lick your fingers and you will gain their powers [19:22] mmmmm DEC juice [19:28] So I'll make great tech that fails in the marketplace because of stupid licensing and pricing decisions? [19:29] Oh well, I guess it's a start. [19:32] Would you rather make great tech that fails in the marketplace, or shoddy tech that succeeds? [19:32] (assuming you can't do both) [19:32] Well, Microsoft has made quite a fortune making the latter. ;) [19:37] so is money or quality more important to you? [19:42] quality is more important than money [19:43] obviously. otherwise you'd be in #fapple [19:48] jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opFXNDbxzvU [19:49] Apparently the Death Magnetic sessions had some good songs [19:50] Not sure why they decided to hold this back [19:51] jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mRQXRsQao [19:52] impossible. metallica has not had any good songs since 1991 [19:52] Seriously, WTF. [19:53] The lyrics are a bit daft, but this is pretty decent [19:56] hetfield needs to get back on the drugs [19:58] I'll never recommend a band go back on drugs just for my entertainment [19:58] but, all the same, it sounds a hell of a lot better than what they pinched off for Death Magnetic. [20:19] I <3 making a Makefile for my exit document (used RST) [20:20] exit document? [20:20] Oh, yeah, I haven't mentioned that, have I [20:20] I'm leaving ALU, heading to Morpace [20:21] Taking over for some guy named rick_h_ [20:21] isn't that... [20:21] yeah, cool [20:21] congrats! [20:21] Thanks! [20:21] (right?) [20:21] Yeah, this is an improvement [20:21] sriously?! [20:21] at least I'll have some direction [20:21] awesome, congrats some more then :) [20:21] Thanks! [20:22] Looking forward to it [20:22] so, when do you think you'll apply for a job with Launchpad? [20:22] that's great news! [20:22] we'll make a python dev of him yet :P [20:22] shhhh, that's the second phase. [20:22] :) [20:22] Step 1: Become awesome like rick_h_ [20:22] Step 2: ... [20:22] I don't know, I'm nervous. Last time I recruited from in channel to replace me it went badly [20:22] Step 3: Canonical [20:23] i thought ColonelPanic001 was recruited that way [20:23] brousch: yes [20:23] and widox [20:23] rick_h_: Don't worry. I won't blame you if it goes pear-shaped. [20:23] though I guess everyone made out ok in the end [20:23] wat [20:23] I have that luck as well, where when I leave somewhere, everything goes pear-shaped [20:24] oh, yeah. I was. See? Bad method. [20:24] either I'm the glue that keeps things together, or I'm the catalyst. [20:24] not entirely sure. [20:25] you're irreplacable [20:26] I always think that at my places, but I keep getting replaced and they move on [20:26] my big head is getting crushed [20:26] rick_h_: Heh [20:27] snap-l: congrats man! [20:27] well, right after I left my old job, they got sued, so, I'm feeling OK about that :) [20:27] I guess you'll have made it when you make it in the quarterly report they file with the SEC [20:27] also, watch out for remanants of rick_h_ path! :p [20:27] widox: Heh, should be all good [20:28] PLanning on learning at the proverbial feet of the master [20:28] but if I start running Arch and Awesome, someone fetch me a straight-jacket. [20:28] at least we can keep hearing stories about the NC guy... [20:29] hah, yeah [20:29] widox: I know right? CHC is going to be awkward "So...I saw that crap you did Rick, and I had to debug and fix that crazy a$$ @#$#@" [20:29] they make me feel like a better developer :D [20:29] I might need rick_h_'s coordinates. [20:29] coordinates for the nukes he was going to unleash at NC. [20:29] I was going to say, you planning adjusting hte aiming points a bit NW? [20:30] Heh, no. [20:30] I know you did your best. [20:33] rick_h_'s stuff is all automated. it should be easy to jump in! [20:33] make work [20:33] brousch: ummm, yea...that's it [20:33] make: *** No rule to make target `work'. Stop. [20:33] hah, no, it's all fabric [20:33] fab -l [20:33] Oh, fuck [20:33] fab prod deploy_fixes [20:34] so make sure you remember that command, you'll need it I'm sure :) [20:34] * snap-l cancels his drug test [20:34] Full stop. No fabric. ;) [20:35] but but but...fabric is cool, I'm a committer :) [20:38] snap-l: move all of the pyramid stuff to django [20:38] I hear ASP.NET is the Way Forward. [20:42] Blazeix: I thought we'd convert everything to J2EE, personally [20:43] it's more enterprisey [20:43] Even says "Enterprise" [20:43] then you can dump vim and move to eclipse too! [20:44] It's a win win win win win [20:44] WINNING! [20:45] if you use J2EE, you can integrate directly with ColdFusion. There's really no reason not too. [20:45] God, it just gets better and better [20:46] Next you'll tell me that I can use JBoss OR Tomcat [20:46] Or even WebSphere. [21:00] Google Nexus released in Canada. We get to wait. http://goo.gl/Y3UEY [21:01] wow, my gmail tab in chrome is using 500MB of RAM by itself [21:02] What the fuck. Apparently there was another shooting at VaTech [21:02] http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/08/reports-of-shots-fired-at-virginia-tech/?hpt=hp_t3 [21:04] <_stink_> yeah [21:04] <_stink_> been following that [21:04] <_stink_> sad [21:14] http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/usethefarce2.jpg [21:33] Sent my roles / responsibilities to my current boss [21:34] <_stink_> any easter eggs? [21:34] he told me to keep going on the list. I told him "That's pretty much it". [21:34] Of course. :) [21:34] snap-l: when are you outtie? [21:34] Not entirely sure, but I startie next year. [21:35] Eclipse / JAX-WS / Axis2 / Tomcat / Java - For reviewing documentation and running example code [21:35] Instructions included. Batteries not included. [21:36] ouch [21:46] brousch: Yeah, fun stuff [21:47] now you'll be a python dev! that is very exciting [21:47] At least it's not Java. :) [21:52] snap-l got a new job? Congrats [21:52] ColonelPanic001: Thanks! [21:52] anywhere I've heard of? [21:53] Heard of Morpace? [21:53] isn't that where Rick is? [21:53] Was [21:53] ah, right [21:53] are you a new Rick? [21:53] Si [21:54] Rick in training [21:54] \o/ [21:54] I've been a rick in training, it's not too bad [21:57] Doing a pre-flight of a holiday OMC [21:57] \o/ [21:57] snap-l: you should check out the somaFM christmas stations, there's surpisingly some good stuff on there [21:57] I kind of want to get a car radio that takes USB so I can listen to podcasts/music in the car. OMC was one of them [21:58] greg-g: You'll understand when you hear the intro to this episode why I might not heed those words. :) [21:59] oh man, did I just get slammed? [21:59] No, not really [22:00] OK, quick poll: When should I release this episode? Tomorrow, or Next Friday? [22:05] Friday [22:05] hmmm