[00:01] <rich3> yeah, i didn't even have panels coming from winXp.  certainly i didn't have docks.  :)
[00:01] <holstein> you have to install other applications to add that kind of functionality to XP
[00:01] <holstein> with linux distros, its all open... you can literally make it your own
[00:02] <rich3> I'm pretty sure I can only use 1 distro at a time ;)
[00:02] <holstein> im not suggesting you use more
[00:03] <holstein> im suggesting that if you want, you can make the one distro you choose to run look and feel exaclty like you want
[00:03] <rich3> what are you running holstein
[00:03] <holstein> i have xubuntu on this machine, 11.10... im mostly running ubuntu 10.04 LTS most places
[00:04] <holstein> i have a crunchbang install im enjoying as well
[02:38] <craigbass1976> how mature is the lubuntu software center these days?  What are the chances of getting it running in Lucid?  I'm about to give my mom a fresh lubuntu lucid install, and I don't know how well I'll be able to talk her through synaptics
[02:39] <holstein> craigbass1976: i wouldnt let a software center dictate what distro i install
[02:39] <holstein> its fine, but synaptic works... apt... aptitude
[02:40] <craigbass1976> my mother is 60 and not savvy in the least
[02:41] <holstein> sure, so you should install what she needs, and lock it down
[02:41] <holstein> she shouldnt need to install software
[02:41] <holstein> anyways, theres also no reason *not* to run 11.10
[02:42] <craigbass1976> Is something up with the servers?  It took me forever to get the iso last night.
[02:43] <holstein> craigbass1976: i usually cancel if i get a slow mirror, and start over right then
[02:44] <craigbass1976> I gave up after two or three and just let 'er rip
[11:20] <leszek> hi
[15:11] <smp> hi there, I have a problem
[15:11] <smp> I put in Preferred Applications Midori as my default browser but it open links with chromium
[15:12] <smp> what file do I have to edit ?
[15:13] <leszek> smp: execute sudo update-alternatives --confg x-www-browser in terminal and choose midori as default
[15:15] <smp> leszek: thank you very much
[16:09] <dustman> lo'
[16:09] <dustman> made fresh install of lubuntu
[16:10] <dustman> looks very cool
[16:12] <dustman> any recommendations for GTK+ TeX editor?
[16:51] <uris> lyx
[17:06] <dustman> uris: found TeXworks
[17:06] <uris> oh, haven't heard about that one
[17:06] <dustman> used it on Win machine at one point
[17:06] <uris> oh, cool. will give it a test drive :)
[17:07] <dustman> resembles TeXShop from Mac
[17:08] <dustman> I tried LyX couple of years ago but didn't like it
[17:08] <dustman> vim + shell is better imo
[17:08] <uris> :)
[17:08] <uris> yeah, its much more fun doing it in vim
[19:43] <lubiana> hi there, can some1 tell me, why all new windows are spawned behind chromium-browser?
[21:40] <catalin> anyone use tango GSM?
[21:43] <catalin> GPS sorry
[22:08] <david_j_r> Does anyone know the command line one would use with "setxkbmap" to change a keyboard layout from the terminal?
[22:12] <Unit193> Not just  setxkbmap us  _
[22:12] <david_j_r> hmmm - that looks right Unit193
[22:13] <david_j_r> which means I've done something wrong somewhere else :)
[22:13] <Unit193> I tested with setxkbmap de :P
[22:13] <david_j_r> I'm trying to use this to get kbd switching attached to hotkeys: http://code.google.com/p/obkey/
[22:13] <david_j_r> but I'm obviously doing something wrong
[22:14] <david_j_r> Can use it to launch, e.g., leafpad, but when I try to get it to switch a kbd, ... nothing.
[22:14] <david_j_r> Obkey looks like something that ought to be in Lubuntu, imo!
[22:15] <Unit193> Except for
[22:15] <Unit193> !info obkey
[22:16] <david_j_r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1883847
[22:17] <david_j_r> I don't understand "!info obkey" - can you explain?
[22:17] <Unit193> In order for it to be in Lubuntu by default, it has to be in the Ubuntu repos (That checked if it was)
[22:17] <Unit193> !info firefox oneiric
[22:17] <Unit193> Wow...
[22:18] <david_j_r> turned up something interesting, it seems
[22:18] <Unit193> NO, just needs to be fixed as it doesn't have Oneiric (latest) enabled
[22:18] <Unit193> (Sorry for caps)
[22:19] <Unit193> !info firefox
[22:19] <david_j_r> when I type "!info" into terminal, I get a bash message "event not found"
[22:20] <david_j_r> But about obkey :) all I meant a moment ago, was that Lubuntu needs an easy way to do keybinding.
[22:20] <david_j_r> Doesn't seem straightforward at the moment.
[22:22] <mark76> Does LXDE have a menu editor yet?
[22:23] <david_j_r> not a gui one
[22:23] <mark76> There's a project for someone
[22:23] <david_j_r> there's a number of forum threads mentioning that
[22:24] <david_j_r> and maybe some "wish-list" type things in the big Lubuntu 12.04 thread
[22:27] <mark76> I know the Xfce people were peeved that they lost menu editing capabilities
[22:28] <Unit193> Xfce currently works with alacarta (the one that's spelled correctly)
[22:30] <mark76> Yeah, but they used to have their own before 4.6
[22:30] <david_j_r> Btw - just got Obkey to change kbd's for me - I must have been using a bad hotkey combination before.
[22:30] <mark76> Not sure what happened to it
[23:02] <lalala> helo
[23:02] <lalala> hello elo elo lo
[23:03] <lalala> ?
[23:05] <lalala> are u alive?
[23:07] <Unit193> !ask
[23:23] <lalala> !ask
[23:23] <lalala> !patience
[23:24] <Unit193> lalala: Do you have a question?
[23:24] <lalala> :) yes, hope someone can help me
[23:24] <lalala> im thinking about bying an intel classmate 3
[23:25] <lalala> it has only 1gb ram and 1,6ghz processor
[23:25] <lalala> but its has a touchscreen
[23:25] <lalala> i'd like to run realtime audio processing stuff on it, so i need the ram ...  thats how i came to lubuntu
[23:26] <lalala> is it easyly possible to set up the touchscreen in lubuntu?
[23:27] <lalala> i found drivers on eturbotouch.com
[23:27] <lalala> but they are for ubuntu and X
[23:27] <lalala> or linux kernel ...
[23:29] <lalala> i found in puredyne a library called tslib (for touchscreens)
[23:29] <Unit193> I haven't used touchscreen, but Lubuntu does use the same core as Ubuntu
[23:31] <lalala> but ubuntu uses X window and lubuntu not?
[23:31] <lalala> the drivers are for x window
[23:31] <Unit193> Yes, Lubuntu uses X
[23:33] <lalala> LXDE is then something different, no window manager?
[23:34] <Unit193> It's a window manager, running on the X window system. Are you talking about XFWM/Xfce?
[23:36] <xsaidx> guys my lame laptop makes so much noice
[23:36] <xsaidx> noise
[23:36] <xsaidx> wht wud that come from ?
[23:37] <lalala> @ xsaidx:   fan?
[23:37] <xsaidx> Unit193: any ide ?
[23:38] <Unit193> Well, I'd think maybe fan, you could try dusting it out (spray can)
[23:38] <xsaidx> lalala: yeh i guess so i tried to open it but coudnt make it
[23:38] <lalala> ok im quite a newbi ... sorry      what is the difference between lubuntu and ubuntu? if a device is supported in ubuntu its also supported in lubuntu?  is just the packaging different?  can i pack my own lubuntu version to add for example the touchscreenlibrary?
[23:39] <lalala> @xsaid:   i read once about the tool fancontrol
[23:40] <lalala> @xsaidx: maybe this helps?
[23:40] <xsaidx> lalala:  Unit193 yeh i ned that thnigy i guess
[23:41] <xsaidx> lalala: lubuntu its based on ubuntu but it uses diffrent desktop environement which is lxde whiche lighter a lot then gnome
[23:43] <lalala> ah cool slowly i get it ... so the difference is ubuntu -gnome    lubuntu-lxde             peripheral devices are controlled by what ??
[23:44] <lalala> by kernel? X window? Gnome/ lxde??
[23:51] <lalala> in xubuntu touchscreens seem to work ...   where can i see the content of the lubuntu package?
[23:59] <xsaidx> lalala: well im jsut like i dont kon muxh but what i kno the kernel talks to your hardwar ok
[23:59] <xsaidx> so the chief its the kernel