| thewrath | i have a pcap i want to replay on my network. hwo can i do that | 01:17 |
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| N7OKL | help please....set up XP/10.04LTS dual booot....worked fine for several months...now will only boot from windows media....will not boot anything linux...not even from a live CD....help please | 03:04 |
| holstein | N7OKL: what live CD? the same one? | 03:05 |
| holstein | could be you got a kernel upgrade, and that broke something... look in your grub list for an older kernel to try and boot | 03:06 |
| N7OKL | have tried several different live cd....nothing linux will boot......could it be a windows virus that has messed up bios? | 03:07 |
| holstein | N7OKL: have you tried the same one? the 10.04 one you installed with? | 03:07 |
| N7OKL | yup....will not boot from it | 03:07 |
| holstein | otherwise, you could be booting newer kernels that dont support your graphics card.. a kernel that you could have upgraded to | 03:07 |
| holstein | N7OKL: OK... then that does *not* support my theory | 03:08 |
| holstein | N7OKL: i think thats got something to do with the media, or the way you are trying to boot from the bios or something user error related | 03:08 |
| holstein | i still say, try booting an older kernel in the list... kernel upgrades break things sometimes | 03:08 |
| N7OKL | made an image of just the windows instal and the dual boot using clonezilla....will not boot from that disk either | 03:09 |
| holstein | N7OKL: right.. i think something is up with your hardware then | 03:09 |
| holstein | the rom drive, the ram... the motherboard | 03:09 |
| holstein | i would test the ram and swap out the rom drive | 03:09 |
| holstein | try and use the *exact* same disc you installed ubuntu with, then you know the iso is known good | 03:10 |
| N7OKL | think it might help to go back to the windows factory restore and update the bios? | 03:10 |
| holstein | N7OKL: ? | 03:10 |
| holstein | take the hard drive out if you like | 03:11 |
| holstein | you need to troubleshoot why CD's arent booting | 03:11 |
| holstein | check cables | 03:11 |
| holstein | check connections | 03:11 |
| N7OKL | have spent 4 hours trying 4 versions of linux (all work on my desktops) and 3 'repair tools' (again, work fine on my desktops)...so far, the only thing it will boot from is the windows partion and the windows factory restore disk | 03:13 |
| holstein | N7OKL: right, so take the hard drive out of the equation | 03:13 |
| holstein | check the connection and cables to the rom drive | 03:13 |
| holstein | swap that out if you have a spare | 03:14 |
| holstein | test the ram with a live CD when you get it booting | 03:14 |
| holstein | double check the bios settings | 03:14 |
| N7OKL | Will try that....will you be around in an hour or so? | 03:14 |
| holstein | maybe | 03:14 |
| holstein | someone is always here :) | 03:14 |
| N7OKL | ok..... | 03:14 |
| holstein | i might crash | 03:14 |
| holstein | but im logged in | 03:14 |
| N7OKL | must be a few hours ahead of me....near Seattle, WA | 03:15 |
| mirza | Hi.. | 03:34 |
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| N7OKL | ok....can use clonezille to backup an image to an external hard drive....how do I do it to span DVDS? | 05:58 |
| N7OKL | is there a live cd that will back up a drive image to DVDs? | 06:00 |
| galinganmd | hi, does anybody know how to make jasperserver (of jasper reports) get permissions to write files | 07:01 |
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| de_horse_ | anyone alive? | 14:33 |
| Snicksie | yeah, i am ;) | 14:34 |
| Snicksie | just ask your question de_horse_ ;) | 14:34 |
| de_horse_ | nice... another insomniac or up early for work | 14:35 |
| de_horse_ | or east coast i guess lol | 14:35 |
| Snicksie | europe ;) | 14:37 |
| de_horse | where is everyone? | 14:52 |
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| deper29 | question: my network applet is gone. when I run nm-applet I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/765083/ | 16:39 |
| deper29 | it is still in my startup applications, but has just disappeared :/ | 16:39 |
| deper29 | anybody able to help? | 16:44 |
| geirha | Hm. Which Ubuntu release? | 16:45 |
| deper29 | 10.04 | 16:45 |
| geirha | deper29: Then the notification area has probably just been removed from your panel for whatever reason. | 16:45 |
| geirha | Right-click panel -> Add to panel -> notification area | 16:46 |
| deper29 | gah! easy. thanks :) | 16:46 |
| geirha | :) | 16:46 |
| deper29 | fixes everything perfectly :) | 16:46 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 and never really used Linux before except for Mac OS X. I downloaded Firefox 8.0.1 from the Mozilla website and cannot figure out how to install files with the file extension it had. | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you really want to be using a package manager rather than downloading it from the website, there are some instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | 18:04 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | What | 18:04 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I am still in the Linux for Dummies stage | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | that link I gave has instructions :) | 18:05 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I know 20 years of windows and 19 months of Mac OS X | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | you don't want to download from the mozilla website, you want to follow the directions on that link I gave | 18:05 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have always used the Mozilla site for all my OS | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | typically in Linux things are installed using the Software Center (or similar package installer), you very rarely want to go to a website to download software like you would in Windows | 18:06 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I went to the google website and downloaded Chrome and it installed with no issue | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | chrome is one of the exceptions, since Google maintains a repository for it that you can use with the Software Center | 18:07 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | is that what they call a .deb file | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | a .deb file is a software package, in the case of Chrome it not only installs the package, but also adds itself to the Software Center so you get updates too | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | firefox doesn't do this, so you need to look at the instructions I linked | 18:09 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Is a .deb file in linux do something a similar to what a .exe file does in windows | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | similar to an .exe installer file | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | but you don't run a deb to launch a program like you would run an exe | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | a .deb just installs stuff | 18:10 |
| Unit193 | !software | SthrnDixieCwgrl | 18:10 |
| ubot2 | SthrnDixieCwgrl: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | thanks Unit193 :) | 18:10 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: No problem :) | 18:11 |
| * pleia2 gets back to her work | 18:11 | |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | so the deb file i downloaded for Chrome to install it on Ubuntu is just like me downloading the exe file for it in windows to install it on that OS | 18:12 |
| Unit193 | For the most part, yes, but installing stuff in Ubuntu isn't the same as for Mac OS X and Windows | 18:13 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i learned where the applications are installed in mac (/Applications/<whatever app I want) but I cannot find that location in Ubuntu | 18:14 |
| Unit193 | Have a look at either https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromMacOSX There are a few locations the bins are located in, but normally you could just open a terminal and type the name (eg, chrome ) | 18:18 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I went to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion and it took me to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable and then I cannot figure out from that list which one I want | 18:19 |
| Unit193 | There should be something called "Ubuntu Software Center" in your "start" menu, if you open that and search for Firefox, you should get the new one | 18:22 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | It came with Firefox 7.0.1 and I went to Help>about to check for updates and that option was not there, so I uninstalled firefox and went to the Mozilla site to get the new version | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | is there a specific reason you need the new version? | 18:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | stabilithy | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | it ships with 7.0.1 because it's fully tested and secure, newer versions may not be as much | 18:25 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: 8 is in repo, I think she just needs to run updates | 18:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | 7.0.1q is outdated | 18:26 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | 7.x is old | 18:26 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: aha, you're right :) | 18:26 |
| pleia2 | SthrnDixieCwgrl: Unit193 is correct, just open the "Ubuntu Software Center" and install firefox, you will get 8.0 | 18:27 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | If i get it from software center it is a 78.0MB download but if I get it from Mozilla it is a 16.2MB download | 18:28 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Why is there a 61.8MB difference | 18:29 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i have never had to download a file over 70MB for a web browser | 18:30 |
| Unit193 | That'll get the rest of the programs it needs, that also may be installed size, not download size | 18:30 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | The install size according to software center is over 100MB | 18:30 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | 188MB when installed | 18:31 |
| Unit193 | Does it tell you what depends it's also getting? | 18:33 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I don't know | 18:34 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Also Adobe wants to give me an apt file for flash player | 18:35 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what ever that is | 18:35 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Adobe Reader downloaded a bin file | 18:36 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Java gives me a bin and a .rpm.bin files to download | 18:38 |
| Unit193 | No, that's NOT how you normally install things in Ubuntu. There have been a few links to guide you to how you're supposed to do it | 18:39 |
| Unit193 | !java | 18:39 |
| ubot2 | To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. | 18:39 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I tried to install java and it says Could not display "/home/<user name/Downloads/jre-6u29-linux-i586-rpm.bin". | 18:40 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I cannot install Adobe Flash Player and Adobe Reader either | 18:40 |
| Unit193 | For Java, you have to enable the "third party repository" and for flash, search the Software Center, not their site | 18:43 |
| hobgoblin | evening | 18:43 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I still cannot get adobe reader to install | 18:45 |
| Unit193 | Ubuntu comes with a PDF reader already, it's just not called "Adobe Reader" and flashplugin-installer should be3 the thing to install (IIRC) | 18:45 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I like Adobe | 18:46 |
| tuxampol | hello Unit193 | 18:46 |
| Unit193 | Howdy, tuxampol | 18:46 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | that is why I want that one installed | 18:47 |
| Unit193 | Well, if you have to have Adobe Reader, you can install it via the repo once you enable the "Partner Repo" | 18:48 |
| Unit193 | !partner | 18:48 |
| ubot2 | Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » | 18:48 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | terminal is where | 18:49 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I cannot find the Utilies folder in the Applications folder | 18:49 |
| Unit193 | hobgoblin: You use Unity, where is the terminal? | 18:49 |
| hobgoblin | I use xubuntu | 18:50 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I ccannot find/Applications/Utilities/Terminal | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | It's in Accessories | 18:51 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Where is /Applications/Utilities | 18:51 |
| Unit193 | Part of the menu, so Menu > Accessories > Terminal | 18:51 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | :-/ | 18:51 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what | 18:51 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: go to the ubuntu symbol at the the top - click it = when you get the dash open - just start to type terminal and it will show up - then click on it | 18:52 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | in Mac OS X terms | 18:52 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Me Mac OS X 10.6 and 10.7 user | 18:52 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I need translation | 18:52 |
| hobgoblin | if not try - Alt+F2 then type terminal in the box and enter | 18:52 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | run a command | 18:53 |
| hobgoblin | what command? | 18:54 |
| hobgoblin | it's of no use telling me what a thing might be in Mac - closest I get is walking past the apple shop | 18:54 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I pressed Alt+F2 and it said on the screen run a command | 18:54 |
| hobgoblin | oic - try terminal or gnome-terminal | 18:55 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I am a mac/Windows person I have used Linux/Unix/Ubuntu for about 5 hours | 18:55 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have used Mac for 19 months and Windows 20 years | 18:55 |
| hobgoblin | yep - that's cool - just let me get my virtual thing going and I'll see if I can help you some | 18:56 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | the only thing i know about unix is Mac os X is based on it and there are no viruses | 18:56 |
| hobgoblin | but - the first thing to try and get is that it is much easier and simpler to install from repositories than getting stuff from sites | 18:56 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have used Windows since 3.0 so what does that tell you | 18:57 |
| Unit193 | Tells me you beat me by one version point ;) | 18:57 |
| hobgoblin | lol | 18:57 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have been a Bill gates follower for many many years | 18:57 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I take it you started with Windows 95 | 18:57 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: the hardest thing is going to be that it is different | 18:57 |
| Unit193 | No, 3.1 | 18:58 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I forgot about 3.1 and 3.11 | 18:58 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I know in windows if you download a file you double click on it and follow the instructions on the screen | 18:59 |
| hobgoblin | yep - different here :) | 18:59 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I went to Mozilla and downloaded Firefox 8.0.1 and it gave me a tar.bz2 file | 19:00 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what is that | 19:00 |
| hobgoblin | liek a zip file - just a different format | 19:00 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | then I went to adobe to get reader and it gives me a bin file | 19:00 |
| hobgoblin | lol | 19:01 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | then while at that site i went to get Flash player and I get a apt file | 19:01 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what is apt | 19:01 |
| Unit193 | Bin is easier to handly actually | 19:01 |
| hobgoblin | let's just do one thing at a time | 19:01 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | does that mean apartment | 19:01 |
| Unit193 | One at a time is a good idea | 19:01 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | java.com gave me 2 files, one is a bin file the other a rpm.bin | 19:01 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you don't want rpm's ever | 19:02 |
| hobgoblin | well not now anyway | 19:02 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I need a windows converter | 19:02 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | What is wrong with RPM files | 19:02 |
| Unit193 | It's used in RedHat based systems, you're using a Debian based system | 19:02 |
| hobgoblin | different format of packaging fro applications | 19:02 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: ok - got the vm up now - have you got the terminal open yet? | 19:03 |
| LemonAid | Hi folks. Can anyone explain or link to a good description of what the "Users folders update" does? | 19:03 |
| LemonAid | (startup service) | 19:03 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: so one at a time what are you trying to accomplish | 19:04 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | All I know is that I went to Ubuntu.com and downloaded the iso file, burned it to a disc and used wubi.exe to install it | 19:04 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i just want my java/Adobe plugins and firefirefox | 19:04 |
| hobgoblin | have you got the terminal open yet? | 19:05 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | When i made the change to Mac OS X I need a Windows to mac OS X translation guide to tell me this is the windows term and in Mac OS x it will now be called this | 19:05 |
| Unit193 | LemonAid: "Update common folders names to match current locale" | 19:06 |
| Unit193 | LemonAid: http://askubuntu.com/questions/11415/which-startup-applications-can-i-safely-turn-off | 19:06 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | When ubot told me to use « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » terminal told me command not found | 19:07 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: shall we deal with firefox? | 19:07 |
| LemonAid | I saw the description and also looked at the answer before asking here, didn`t help me much. Thanx anyway. | 19:07 |
| Unit193 | LemonAid: This is also a good one to check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1326766 | 19:08 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have the firefox-8.0.1.tar.bz2 file downloaded | 19:08 |
| LemonAid | Unit193, that looks like it might actually help. Thank you! | 19:08 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: thats not the way you want to do it | 19:09 |
| holstein | are you trying to get the latest firefox? | 19:09 |
| hobgoblin | if you use that then everytime it updates then you need to get the new file - there is a way to add a stabe updated version without | 19:09 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | yes since I don't have it at all on Ubuntu 11.10 | 19:09 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: we use a package manger for everything.... its not like windows in that, you dont go to each place to get updates.. you set the package manager sources, and update all at once | 19:09 |
| hobgoblin | http://pastebin.com/xyDDQbgs | 19:10 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont have firefox? you go to the software center and search firefox.. you can search flash there as well | 19:10 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | then why does Mozilla give you the option to download it | 19:10 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: ? | 19:10 |
| hobgoblin | run those commands in a terminal SthrnDixieCwgrl and it will set you up with the latest stabel | 19:10 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont *have * to do it this way.. its just easier | 19:10 |
| holstein | then, you dont have to bother with manual updates | 19:11 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | it came with 7.0.1 and when i went to help.about there was no chek for update option so I removed it from the system and went to mozilla to get the current version | 19:11 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: its more like OSX is that regard.. with the system updates that come in all at once, and some key apple components are updated there as well | 19:11 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: sure... i can give you a ppa for the current stable build | 19:11 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: look at http://pastebin.com/xyDDQbgs | 19:11 |
| hobgoblin | that will get you what you want | 19:11 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable | 19:11 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i have Chromium and google chrome installed are they the same thing | 19:12 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | are they technically the same browser | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | Chromium is the OpenSource "version" of Chome | 19:12 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: sure.. and you can add the source for firefox stable, and get updates automatically | 19:12 |
| holstein | sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable | 19:13 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get update | 19:13 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: then, you can look in the software center, or apt-get install firefox, or whatever you are comfortable with | 19:13 |
| hobgoblin | holstein: those are all in the pastebin ... | 19:13 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I went to terminal and i put in sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable followed the on screen instructions and i still have no firefox installed | 19:15 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: right. that gives you the source for the updated firefox | 19:15 |
| Unit193 | Now paste sudo apt-get install firefox | 19:15 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get update updates the package list on the machine | 19:15 |
| LemonAid | Unit193, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1326766 got me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 witch is actually the sort of guide i needed in the first place, so thanx for the help :) | 19:15 |
| holstein | and sudo apt-get install firefox installs the firefox back that you removed | 19:15 |
| Unit193 | LemonAid: Awesome, glad that helped! | 19:16 |
| Unit193 | That is a good one | 19:16 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Where is the option When updates to firefox are found Ask Me what I want to do | 19:20 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can take a screenshot if you need.. but i assume you are talking about your plugins | 19:20 |
| holstein | thats going to depend on if mozilla has kept support for your plugins | 19:21 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have that option in Firefox for windows and Mac OS X but not in Ubuntu | 19:21 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: "that" option? | 19:21 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: OH | 19:21 |
| holstein | yeah, its all in the package manager | 19:21 |
| holstein | you dont go to each application and upgrade them | 19:22 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: its all done at the same time by whatever tool you choose | 19:22 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have it where the browser will not upgrade to the next version unless it asks first | 19:22 |
| holstein | the upgrade manager for example | 19:22 |
| holstein | it'll popup, and check for upgrades | 19:22 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont ask FF to upgrade... in ubuntu, its more of a 'set it and forget it' kind of thing | 19:23 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I went to Tools>Options>Advaned>Update in Firefox in Windows | 19:23 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: right | 19:23 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: its different | 19:23 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: its in the upgrade manager that you will look now | 19:23 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: this is considered a convenience by some.. i know i prefer it | 19:24 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I like that option that Firefox has for the Windows version and that option also exists in the Firefox application in Mac OS X | 19:24 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can run the windows version of FF in wine | 19:24 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i do not like applications updating without my knowledge | 19:24 |
| holstein | you can run windows in virtual box | 19:24 |
| holstein | you can run linux in virtual box | 19:24 |
| holstein | there are literally all kinds of options to get *exactly* what you want | 19:24 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: the upgrade manager can be set to do whatever you choose | 19:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | In Windows I have the wuapp.exe (Windows Update) set to the option Check for updates but let me choose to download and install them | 19:25 |
| holstein | by default, i believe it checks and repots | 19:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i have that set for a reason | 19:25 |
| holstein | it will not upgrade automatically | 19:25 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: rigth | 19:25 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can mirror that workflow | 19:25 |
| holstein | in the upgrade manager | 19:25 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont do it for *each* *individual* *application* though | 19:26 |
| holstein | you do it once in the upgrade manager | 19:26 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | if I didnt then windows would download updates for Outlook 2010 when i do not have that part of Offie installed | 19:26 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Office | 19:26 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | why install an update for a program that you do not have installed | 19:26 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: right... the upgrade manger is checking the sources for upgrades to libreoffice.. FF.. chrome.. everything | 19:26 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: that doesnt happen | 19:27 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | have you used windows | 19:27 |
| holstein | you have applications installed, and they get upgraded | 19:27 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: yes | 19:27 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | What is the Ubuntu version of Windows Update | 19:27 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: loits of us have - we have all been where you are | 19:27 |
| hobgoblin | update manager | 19:27 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | which is where | 19:27 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: there is none.. its entire system upgrade | 19:27 |
| holstein | everything all in one go | 19:27 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: update manger is what the application is called | 19:28 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | meaning when i go from version 11.10 to 11.x that will be me using the Ubuntu version of windows Update | 19:28 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: if you are new to ubuntu/linux, i would say, take your time, and "get your feet wet" | 19:28 |
| holstein | if you used the older version of FF, it wouldnt hurt anything... security patches are applied to 11.10 for 18 months | 19:29 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you will go from 11.10 to 12.04 *if* you choose | 19:29 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | that will be kinda like using windows Update for Ubuntu | 19:30 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can use that upgrade tool, or the command line.. or synaptic | 19:30 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | synaptic is the manufacturer of my trackpad | 19:30 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: synaptic is a package manager | 19:30 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | and you cannot find driver for Ubuntu for it | 19:30 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | but i can find the Windows drivers for it | 19:31 |
| holstein | you can install packages, you can upgrade the system.. its similar to the software center | 19:31 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: the linux kernel is modular | 19:31 |
| holstein | if drivers can be included, they generally are.. is your touchpad not working? | 19:31 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | synaptics made the mouse thing in my laptop | 19:31 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: yes... is it not functionign? | 19:31 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | there are no linux drivers for it but there are Windows drivers | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | Just remember that Synaptics and Synaptic are different | 19:32 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: ? | 19:32 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: so, its not working? | 19:32 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont need drivers the same way as in windows | 19:32 |
| holstein | again... i suggest taking your time, and getting used to the way things work | 19:32 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: please - do you actually want help with specific issues - or are you now just trying to tell us the differences between linux and windows - if that is the case - we know the differences :) | 19:33 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | my touchpad/trackpad/mouse thing is made by synaptics.com | 19:33 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | whoever they are | 19:33 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: there are several reasons why you wont see linux drivers for download | 19:33 |
| holstein | they arent needed in a lot of cases | 19:34 |
| holstein | they are just "in the kernel" typically | 19:34 |
| holstein | and, vendors that dont support linux, just dont support linux | 19:34 |
| holstein | so, we either go around them, or deal with the breakage | 19:34 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | cause there are about 5 billion different kinds of linux/unix/ubuntu out there | 19:34 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | all having a penguin for there logo | 19:35 |
| holstein | ? | 19:35 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: linux is the kernel, and its opensource | 19:35 |
| holstein | *anyone* can use it as they please | 19:35 |
| holstein | just the few subtle differences you are pointing out should give you an idea as to why there would be so many different versions | 19:35 |
| holstein | with different funcionalities | 19:36 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | the last time i used linux was redhat 5.0 whenever that version first came out | 19:36 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I needed an elective in college and the only way i passed the course was that every test we had was open book | 19:37 |
| holstein | cool... that will help | 19:37 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | that is how i passed and if it was not opened book then i would have failed | 19:37 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: yup.. i understand.. openbook tests.. you didnt really absorb anything... | 19:38 |
| holstein | but, i still say, i think that experience will help you :) | 19:38 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | The closest thing I came to Unix after that was making the move to Mac OS X in may 2010 | 19:38 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | from the time I had that red hat course to making the move to Apple I was a WINDOWS user | 19:38 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I went to Apple where the hardware plays well with each other unlike with Windows | 19:39 |
| holstein | yeah, its easier when there is a smaller base of hardware | 19:39 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | and the 3 years of misery with Vista | 19:40 |
| holstein | i mean, its not fair to compare the 2 really... things that dont work in OSX, just literally dont work | 19:40 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Microsoft bringing back Windows Me and turning it into a NT version of Windows | 19:40 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | That is what vista is Windows Me on an NT platform | 19:41 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what were they thinking | 19:41 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | both went in the garbage | 19:41 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | vista is the reason I went to Apple | 19:42 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you get FF upgraded? | 19:42 |
| holstein | you might want to try #mac or #windows for those other questions/comments | 19:42 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | is there a way that you can the the File edit View et menus to permanently stay on the sreen when using Firefox | 19:43 |
| holstein | or one of the ubuntu-offtopic channels.. otherwise... im glad you found us SthrnDixieCwgrl , and welcome! | 19:43 |
| hobgoblin | hi squaregoldfish | 19:43 |
| squaregoldfish | Hi | 19:43 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you right click and have the main menu shown, correct? | 19:43 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I right clicked in firefox and there is no main menu option | 19:45 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: 'menubar' | 19:45 |
| holstein | ticking the 'menubar' option gives the space at the top of the screen back to the file menus | 19:46 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | there is no mun bar and the option for me to enable that does not exist | 19:46 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like me to take a screenshot? | 19:46 |
| Unit193 | SthrnDixieCwgrl: There should be a "Firefox" thing next to the tabs, click that and go to Preferences > Menu Bar | 19:46 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Navigation addon Boomarks tabs on top customize | 19:47 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | which one do I choose | 19:47 |
| hobgoblin | menu bar SthrnDixieCwgrl | 19:48 |
| hobgoblin | is it not in the list? | 19:48 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | Navigation addon Boomarks tabs on top customize | 19:48 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | those are the choices | 19:48 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | pick one | 19:48 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: please relax and be patient... we are all volunteers here... thanks :) | 19:49 |
| * holstein is uploading a screenshot | 19:49 | |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | if i right-click next to the tabs i get a Menu bar option | 19:50 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | in windows 7 | 19:50 |
| holstein | http://imagebin.org/187826 SthrnDixieCwgrl | 19:50 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: i dont know what plugins you have that might break that functionality | 19:50 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i have all of them options except in menubar | 19:51 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: not sure what to suggest... maybe open up in safe mode or whatever... could be your config | 19:51 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I dont have any plugins since the adobe flash player and Adobe reader files form adobe and the java plugin from java.com will not install | 19:52 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you get java and flash from the software center | 19:52 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like to share a screenshot? | 19:52 |
| holstein | would you like to temporarily remove you .mozilla directory? | 19:52 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | of what | 19:52 |
| holstein | would you like to reinstall? | 19:52 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this - close firefox and then start it from a terminal like this firefox -safe-mode | 19:53 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | screenshot of what | 19:53 |
| hobgoblin | then see if you get the menu bar as an option | 19:53 |
| holstein | hobgoblin: i like that... that'll bypass the config right? | 19:53 |
| hobgoblin | yep | 19:53 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | holstein: SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like to share a screenshot? | 19:53 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | of what | 19:53 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: ? | 19:53 |
| holstein | the issue SthrnDixieCwgrl | 19:54 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what do i need to share a screen shot of | 19:54 |
| holstein | the problem.. the lack of menu | 19:54 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: whatever you think might help me help you | 19:54 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have a .apt flash plaer file from adobe | 19:54 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | a bin file for adobe reader | 19:54 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: lets work on one thing at a time please | 19:54 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | and a .bin and .rpm.bin files for java from java.com | 19:54 |
| holstein | do you want to sort out flash? or the menu? or java? | 19:54 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | dont forget adobe reader | 19:54 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you open the software center and search 'flash' | 19:54 |
| holstein | OR, the browser and search 'installing flash in ubuntu 11.10' | 19:55 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I opened software center to find Adobe reader and it did not find it | 19:55 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | that is why I went to adobe.com | 19:55 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can also search more generla | 19:56 |
| holstein | gerneral* | 19:56 |
| holstein | you can find a pdf reader | 19:56 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you were told you needed the partner repo enabled - adobe reader is available - bit it is called acroreader | 19:56 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AcrobatHowTo | 19:56 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you already have a pdf reader installed anyways | 19:56 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: have you opened firefox in safe mode now? is the menu option there | 19:56 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what | 19:57 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this - close firefox and then start it from a terminal like this firefox -safe-mode | 19:57 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I have firefox opened | 19:57 |
| hobgoblin | have you done that ^^ as asked | 19:57 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: this will bypass your configs | 19:57 |
| hobgoblin | twice | 19:57 |
| holstein | open a terminal and type that it, or copy and paste | 19:58 |
| holstein | firefox -safe-mode | 19:58 |
| holstein | right click and see if you have the 'menubar' option | 19:58 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | no | 20:00 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I found dom.disable_window_open_feature.menubar | 20:00 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | and dom.disable_window_open_feature.menubar | 20:01 |
| hobgoblin | that is something completely different | 20:02 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I was in about:config | 20:05 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: and im afraid you have tweaked around in there, or somewhere else, and broken it | 20:06 |
| holstein | thus, we will be wasting time trying to sort it out | 20:06 |
| holstein | you can look for .mozilla, and temporarily move it out of the way | 20:06 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | what | 20:07 |
| holstein | *or* just relax about it for a bit, and 'get your feet wet' | 20:07 |
| holstein | remember, these are not things you would have been doing your first day using windows | 20:07 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I am stuck with a non-working firefox and chromium which is NOThING like google chrome | 20:07 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | great | 20:07 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: install chrome | 20:07 |
| holstein | whats not working about FF? | 20:07 |
| holstein | reinstall it | 20:07 |
| holstein | remove the config directory | 20:08 |
| hobgoblin | I wonder if the initial removal of firefox caused this | 20:08 |
| holstein | yup | 20:08 |
| holstein | thats where my money is... | 20:08 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: how did you uninstall FF? | 20:08 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I used software center | 20:09 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you would need to give us *exactly* what you have done so far | 20:11 |
| holstein | and we would need to undo it | 20:11 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I remvoed FF7.0.1 using software center | 20:13 |
| holstein | right, and downloaded some things, and read something, copied and pasted who knows what | 20:13 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: did you do a lot of things in a terminal - or not until you got here? | 20:14 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I never installed FF 8.x until I was told to open terminal and type in sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable | 20:14 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can boot up the live CD you installed from and see how FF is behaving | 20:14 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | which I did and followed the instructions on the screen | 20:14 |
| holstein | SthrnDixieCwgrl: i need to run, but i say take it easy, and spend some time in the default included applications... more like how you probably used OSX and windows at first | 20:15 |
| holstein | ubuntu is quite full featured and customizable, and we can and will help you as much as we can ! | 20:15 |
| holstein | enjoy :) | 20:15 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i did nothing else to firefox after i installed it until I went to some web site and it told me that i had a missing plugin and it sail I was missing something called IcedTea java whatever that is | 20:16 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | the only Java I know is from Sun (it was Sun now it is now known as Oracle)\ | 20:17 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I am now stuck with a browser that is worth garbage and one that is broken | 20:18 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I hate chromium and Mozilla does not work | 20:19 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | now i am going to have to format Ubuntu and reinstall it to fix it | 20:19 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | there is 3 hours right there | 20:20 |
| hobgoblin | really? takes 20 minutes here | 20:20 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | it took me 3 hours last time | 20:21 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | now the only way I can get firefox to work is to reinstall the entire OS | 20:22 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | if this was Mac OS X or Windows I coulod uninstall and reinstall it | 20:22 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | and it would be fixed | 20:23 |
| hobgoblin | well perhaps you should do that - linux is not windows - if it doesn't work for you then use what does | 20:23 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | if you want something fixed in Ubuntu uninstall the os and reinstall it to fix it | 20:23 |
| hobgoblin | only when you break it yourself and can't fix it | 20:23 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I should not have to do that for one application | 20:23 |
| hobgoblin | such is life - but to be honest I am not at all sure that you actually came here for help - you've spent more time talking about windows and mac | 20:24 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | there is nothing compatible with this operating syustem | 20:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | adobe reader is not ompatible | 20:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | adobe flash player is not ompatible | 20:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | java is not compatible | 20:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | firefox is not compatible | 20:25 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I am stuck with hromium and I don't even know what that is | 20:25 |
| hobgoblin | if you want help backing up stuff to make the update after an install a bit quicker then I am happy to help you | 20:26 |
| hobgoblin | but why did it take 3 hours to install it - what hardware are you using? | 20:27 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | think Hewlett-packard | 20:27 |
| LemonAid | How do you boot with GRUB by not using the menu driven interface, but by using the GRUB command line? (i can`t reboot my system at the moment) | 20:27 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | that is probably the issue right there | 20:27 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: was it all working before you did what is normal in windows and got stuff from the internet? | 20:28 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I used wubi.exe to install it | 20:28 |
| hobgoblin | oh | 20:28 |
| hobgoblin | right | 20:28 |
| Unit193 | That's the major one | 20:28 |
| hobgoblin | I can understand what the problem you have is now | 20:28 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i burned Ubuntu to a disc and used wubi to install | 20:28 |
| hobgoblin | I wish that people would say at the outset that it's wubi :( | 20:28 |
| Unit193 | LemonAid: You should just be able to hold left shift as it's booting | 20:28 |
| hobgoblin | LemonAid: what exactly is happening? | 20:29 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | that is the only way I found easiest to install | 20:29 |
| hobgoblin | k | 20:29 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this please - we need some very important info if we are going to be able to help | 20:29 |
| hobgoblin | open a terminal again and then run this command - the l is a lower case L | 20:30 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | firefox is broken and I have something in appplications called chromium whatever that is | 20:30 |
| LemonAid | Unit193, thanx. hobgoblin, nothing, i`m just messing around with the GRUB configuration file :) | 20:30 |
| hobgoblin | sudo fdisk -l | 20:30 |
| Unit193 | LemonAid: /etc/default/grub right? | 20:30 |
| hobgoblin | LemonAid: you seen the wiki for grub? | 20:31 |
| LemonAid | Unit193, /boot/grub/grub.cfg. | 20:31 |
| LemonAid | hobgoblin, yes i did. Have not read it fully though. | 20:32 |
| hobgoblin | LemonAid: if you fiddle with that then it gets reverted after any update that updates that file - better to do things with the various scripts | 20:32 |
| LemonAid | hobgoblin, i saw that it gets reverted | 20:32 |
| hobgoblin | SthrnDixieCwgrl: what do you want to do - we have no real idea of what you have done to get where you are and hence we are not going to be able to get you back again | 20:34 |
| LemonAid | What i was actually planing on doing was not let anyone boot into any os without a password, but as it turns out, you can get around that by using the command line interface (not the menu driven one). | 20:34 |
| hobgoblin | you can stop recovery mode appearing in the menu - but that could be an issue if you need to use it :p | 20:35 |
| hobgoblin | not even sure if it asks for root password if you enable it either | 20:36 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I no longer have an internet browser | 20:40 |
| hobgoblin | so does firefox not work at all - or is that you can't get it to do what you want? | 20:40 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | it apparently was crippled in the install and that is why that option was not there | 20:41 |
| hobgoblin | how? | 20:41 |
| hobgoblin | what is crippled about it - trying to get a straight answer is not proving very successful here at all | 20:42 |
| hobgoblin | personally I would reinstall - I'd not use wubi either | 20:43 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | i cannot use a browser with no menu bar | 20:43 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | so I removed it | 20:43 |
| hobgoblin | instead of finding out how to get it | 20:46 |
| LemonAid | Ehm.. it has a menu bar. It`s only visible when you roll over it. | 20:46 |
| hobgoblin | well good luck with whatever you choose to do SthrnDixieCwgrl | 20:47 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I don't use web browsers where the menubar does not stay there permanently | 20:49 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | If I cannot enable a feature to show the menubar then I do not use the browser or application | 20:49 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | That means I have no web browser on ubuntu | 20:52 |
| LemonAid | In case you don`t know it, this is how all the applications behave in Ubuntu if you use the Unity Interface. | 20:53 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | use what | 20:54 |
| LemonAid | The Unity interface is the default interface for Ubuntu since 10.04(i think) -> the way Ubuntu looks when you first install it. | 20:56 |
| SthrnDixieCwgrl | I went to terminal and ran sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt to see it that will remove it | 20:58 |
| LemonAid | (well, not all aplications, but firefox is one of them) | 20:58 |
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