[01:17] <thewrath> i have a pcap i want to replay on my network. hwo can i do that
[03:04] <N7OKL> help please....set up XP/10.04LTS dual booot....worked fine for several months...now will only boot from windows media....will not boot anything linux...not even from a live CD....help please
[03:05] <holstein> N7OKL: what live CD? the same one?
[03:06] <holstein> could be you got a kernel upgrade, and that broke something... look in your grub list for an older kernel to try and boot
[03:07] <N7OKL> have tried several different live cd....nothing linux will boot......could it be a windows virus that has messed up bios?
[03:07] <holstein> N7OKL: have you tried the same one? the 10.04 one you installed with?
[03:07] <N7OKL> yup....will not boot from it
[03:07] <holstein> otherwise, you could be booting newer kernels that dont support your graphics card.. a kernel that you could have upgraded to
[03:08] <holstein> N7OKL: OK... then that does *not* support my theory
[03:08] <holstein> N7OKL: i think thats got something to do with the media, or the way you are trying to boot from the bios or something user error related
[03:08] <holstein> i still say, try booting an older kernel in the list... kernel upgrades break things sometimes
[03:09] <N7OKL> made an image of just the windows instal and the dual boot using clonezilla....will not boot from that disk either
[03:09] <holstein> N7OKL: right.. i think something is up with your hardware then
[03:09] <holstein> the rom drive, the ram... the motherboard
[03:09] <holstein> i would test the ram and swap out the rom drive
[03:10] <holstein> try and use the *exact* same disc you installed ubuntu with, then you know the iso is known good
[03:10] <N7OKL> think it might help to go back to the windows factory restore and update the bios?
[03:10] <holstein> N7OKL: ?
[03:11] <holstein> take the hard drive out if you like
[03:11] <holstein> you need to troubleshoot why CD's arent booting
[03:11] <holstein> check cables
[03:11] <holstein> check connections
[03:13] <N7OKL> have spent 4 hours trying 4 versions of linux (all work on my desktops) and 3 'repair tools' (again, work fine on my desktops)...so far, the only thing it will boot from is the windows partion and the windows factory restore disk
[03:13] <holstein> N7OKL: right, so take the hard drive out of the equation
[03:13] <holstein> check the connection and cables to the rom drive
[03:14] <holstein> swap that out if you have a spare
[03:14] <holstein> test the ram with a live CD when you get it booting
[03:14] <holstein> double check the bios settings
[03:14] <N7OKL> Will try that....will you be around in an hour or so?
[03:14] <holstein> maybe
[03:14] <holstein> someone is always here :)
[03:14] <N7OKL> ok.....
[03:14] <holstein> i might crash
[03:14] <holstein> but im logged in
[03:15] <N7OKL> must be a few hours ahead of me....near Seattle, WA
[03:34] <mirza> Hi..
[05:58] <N7OKL> ok....can use clonezille to backup an image to an external hard drive....how do I do it to span DVDS?
[06:00] <N7OKL> is there a live cd that will back up a drive image to DVDs?
[07:01] <galinganmd> hi, does anybody know how to make jasperserver (of jasper reports) get permissions to write files
[14:33] <de_horse_> anyone alive?
[14:34] <Snicksie> yeah, i am ;)
[14:34] <Snicksie> just ask your question de_horse_ ;)
[14:35] <de_horse_> nice... another insomniac or up early for work
[14:35] <de_horse_> or east coast i guess lol
[14:37] <Snicksie> europe ;)
[14:52] <de_horse> where is everyone?
[16:39] <deper29> question: my network applet is gone. when I run nm-applet I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/765083/
[16:39] <deper29> it is still in my startup applications, but has just disappeared :/
[16:44] <deper29> anybody able to help?
[16:45] <geirha> Hm. Which Ubuntu release?
[16:45] <deper29> 10.04
[16:45] <geirha> deper29: Then the notification area has probably just been removed from your panel for whatever reason.
[16:46] <geirha> Right-click panel -> Add to panel -> notification area
[16:46] <deper29> gah! easy. thanks :)
[16:46] <geirha> :)
[16:46] <deper29> fixes everything perfectly :)
[18:02] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 and never really used Linux before except for Mac OS X.  I downloaded Firefox 8.0.1 from the Mozilla website and cannot figure out how to install files with the file extension it had.
[18:04] <pleia2> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you really want to be using a package manager rather than downloading it from the website, there are some instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[18:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> What
[18:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am still in the Linux for Dummies stage
[18:05] <pleia2> that link I gave has instructions :)
[18:05] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I know 20 years of windows and 19 months of Mac OS X
[18:05] <pleia2> you don't want to download from the mozilla website, you want to follow the directions on that link I gave
[18:06] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have always used the Mozilla site for all my OS
[18:06] <pleia2> typically in Linux things are installed using the Software Center (or similar package installer), you very rarely want to go to a website to download software like you would in Windows
[18:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to the google website and downloaded Chrome and it installed with no issue
[18:07] <pleia2> chrome is one of the exceptions, since Google maintains a repository for it that you can use with the Software Center
[18:08] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> is that what they call a .deb file
[18:08] <pleia2> a .deb file is a software package, in the case of Chrome it not only installs the package, but also adds itself to the Software Center so you get updates too
[18:09] <pleia2> firefox doesn't do this, so you need to look at the instructions I linked
[18:09] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Is a .deb file in linux do something a similar to what a .exe file does in windows
[18:10] <pleia2> similar to an .exe installer file
[18:10] <pleia2> but you don't run a deb to launch a program like you would run an exe
[18:10] <pleia2> a .deb just installs stuff
[18:10] <Unit193> !software | SthrnDixieCwgrl
[18:10] <ubot2> SthrnDixieCwgrl: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[18:10] <pleia2> thanks Unit193 :)
[18:11] <Unit193> pleia2: No problem :)
[18:11]  * pleia2 gets back to her work
[18:12] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> so the deb file i downloaded for Chrome to install it on Ubuntu is just like me downloading the exe file for it in windows to install it on that OS
[18:13] <Unit193> For the most part, yes, but installing stuff in Ubuntu isn't the same as for Mac OS X and Windows
[18:14] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i learned where the applications are installed in mac (/Applications/<whatever app I want) but I cannot find that location in Ubuntu
[18:18] <Unit193> Have a look at either https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromMacOSX   There are a few locations the bins are located in, but normally you could just open a terminal and type the name (eg, chrome )
[18:19] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion  and it took me to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable  and then I cannot figure out from that list which one I want
[18:22] <Unit193> There should be something called "Ubuntu Software Center" in your "start" menu, if you open that and search for Firefox, you should get the new one
[18:24] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> It came with Firefox 7.0.1 and I went to Help>about to check for updates and that option was not there, so I uninstalled firefox and went to the Mozilla site to get the new version
[18:25] <pleia2> is there a specific reason you need the new version?
[18:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> stabilithy
[18:25] <pleia2> it ships with 7.0.1 because it's fully tested and secure, newer versions may not be as much
[18:25] <Unit193> pleia2: 8 is in repo, I think she just needs to run updates
[18:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> 7.0.1q is outdated
[18:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> 7.x is old
[18:26] <pleia2> Unit193: aha, you're right :)
[18:27] <pleia2> SthrnDixieCwgrl: Unit193 is correct, just open the "Ubuntu Software Center" and install firefox, you will get 8.0
[18:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> If i get it from software center it is a 78.0MB download but if I get it from Mozilla it is a 16.2MB download
[18:29] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Why is there a 61.8MB difference
[18:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have never had to download a file over 70MB for a web browser
[18:30] <Unit193> That'll get the rest of the programs it needs, that also may be installed size, not download size
[18:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> The install size according to software center is over 100MB
[18:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> 188MB when installed
[18:33] <Unit193> Does it tell you what depends it's also getting?
[18:34] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I don't know
[18:35] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Also Adobe wants to give me an apt file for flash player
[18:35] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what ever that is
[18:36] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Adobe Reader downloaded a bin file
[18:38] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Java gives me a bin and a .rpm.bin files to download
[18:39] <Unit193> No, that's NOT how you normally install things in Ubuntu. There have been a few links to guide you to how you're supposed to do it
[18:39] <Unit193> !java
[18:39] <ubot2> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[18:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I tried to install java and it says Could not display "/home/<user name/Downloads/jre-6u29-linux-i586-rpm.bin".
[18:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I cannot install Adobe Flash Player and Adobe Reader either
[18:43] <Unit193> For Java, you have to enable the "third party repository" and for flash, search the Software Center, not their site
[18:43] <hobgoblin> evening
[18:45] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I still cannot get adobe reader to install
[18:45] <Unit193> Ubuntu comes with a PDF reader already, it's just not called "Adobe Reader" and flashplugin-installer should be3 the thing to install (IIRC)
[18:46] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I like Adobe
[18:46] <tuxampol> hello Unit193
[18:46] <Unit193> Howdy, tuxampol
[18:47] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is why I want that one installed
[18:48] <Unit193> Well, if you have to have Adobe Reader, you can install it via the repo once you enable the "Partner Repo"
[18:48] <Unit193> !partner
[18:48] <ubot2> Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" »
[18:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> terminal is where
[18:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I cannot find the Utilies folder in the Applications folder
[18:49] <Unit193> hobgoblin: You use Unity, where is the terminal?
[18:50] <hobgoblin> I use xubuntu
[18:50] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I ccannot find/Applications/Utilities/Terminal
[18:51] <Unit193> It's in Accessories
[18:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Where is /Applications/Utilities
[18:51] <Unit193> Part of the menu, so Menu > Accessories > Terminal
[18:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> :-/
[18:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what
[18:52] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: go to the ubuntu symbol at the the top - click it = when you get the dash open - just start to type terminal and it will show up - then click on it
[18:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> in Mac OS X terms
[18:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Me Mac OS X 10.6 and 10.7 user
[18:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I need translation
[18:52] <hobgoblin> if not try - Alt+F2 then type terminal in the box and enter
[18:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> run a command
[18:54] <hobgoblin> what command?
[18:54] <hobgoblin> it's of no use telling me what a thing might be in Mac - closest I get is walking past the apple shop
[18:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I pressed Alt+F2 and it said on the screen run a command
[18:55] <hobgoblin> oic - try terminal or gnome-terminal
[18:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am a mac/Windows person I have used Linux/Unix/Ubuntu for about 5 hours
[18:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have used Mac for 19 months and Windows 20 years
[18:56] <hobgoblin> yep - that's cool - just let me get my virtual thing going and I'll see if I can help you some
[18:56] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> the only thing i know about unix is Mac os X is based on it and there are no viruses
[18:56] <hobgoblin> but - the first thing to try and get is that it is much easier and simpler to install from repositories than getting stuff from sites
[18:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have used Windows since 3.0 so what does that tell you
[18:57] <Unit193> Tells me you beat me by one version point ;)
[18:57] <hobgoblin> lol
[18:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have been a Bill gates follower for many many years
[18:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I take it you started with Windows 95
[18:57] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: the hardest thing is going to be that it is different
[18:58] <Unit193> No, 3.1
[18:58] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I forgot about 3.1 and 3.11
[18:59] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I know in  windows if you download a file you double click on it and follow the instructions on the screen
[18:59] <hobgoblin> yep - different here :)
[19:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to Mozilla and downloaded Firefox 8.0.1 and it gave me a tar.bz2 file
[19:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what is that
[19:00] <hobgoblin> liek a zip file - just a different format
[19:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then I went to adobe to get reader and it gives me a bin file
[19:01] <hobgoblin> lol
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then while at that site i went to get Flash player and I get a apt file
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what is apt
[19:01] <Unit193> Bin is easier to handly actually
[19:01] <hobgoblin> let's just do one thing at a time
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> does that mean apartment
[19:01] <Unit193> One at a time is a good idea
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> java.com gave me 2 files, one is a bin file the other a rpm.bin
[19:02] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you don't want rpm's ever
[19:02] <hobgoblin> well not now anyway
[19:02] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I need a windows converter
[19:02] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> What is wrong with RPM files
[19:02] <Unit193> It's used in RedHat based systems, you're using a Debian based system
[19:02] <hobgoblin> different format of packaging fro applications
[19:03] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ok - got the vm up now - have you got the terminal open yet?
[19:03] <LemonAid> Hi folks. Can anyone explain or link to a good description of what the "Users folders update" does?
[19:03] <LemonAid> (startup service)
[19:04] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: so one at a time what are you trying to accomplish
[19:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> All I know is that I went to Ubuntu.com and downloaded the iso file, burned it to a disc and used wubi.exe to install it
[19:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i just want my java/Adobe plugins and firefirefox
[19:05] <hobgoblin> have you got the terminal open yet?
[19:05] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> When i made the change to Mac OS X I need a Windows to mac OS X translation guide to tell me this is the windows term and in Mac OS x it will now be called this
[19:06] <Unit193> LemonAid: "Update common folders names to match current locale"
[19:06] <Unit193> LemonAid: http://askubuntu.com/questions/11415/which-startup-applications-can-i-safely-turn-off
[19:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> When ubot told me to use « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » terminal told me command not found
[19:07] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: shall we deal with firefox?
[19:07] <LemonAid> I saw the description and also looked at the answer before asking here, didn`t help me much. Thanx anyway.
[19:08] <Unit193> LemonAid: This is also a good one to check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1326766
[19:08] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have the firefox-8.0.1.tar.bz2 file downloaded
[19:08] <LemonAid> Unit193, that looks like it might actually help. Thank you!
[19:09] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: thats not the way you want to do it
[19:09] <holstein> are you trying to get the latest firefox?
[19:09] <hobgoblin> if you use that then everytime it updates then you need to get the new file - there is a way to add a stabe updated version without
[19:09] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> yes since I don't have it at all on Ubuntu 11.10
[19:09] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: we use a package manger for everything.... its not like windows in that, you dont go to each place to get updates.. you set the package manager sources, and update all at once
[19:10] <hobgoblin> http://pastebin.com/xyDDQbgs
[19:10] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont have firefox? you go to the software center and search firefox.. you can search flash there as well
[19:10] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then why does Mozilla give you the option to download it
[19:10] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ?
[19:10] <hobgoblin> run those commands in a terminal SthrnDixieCwgrl and it will set you up with the latest stabel
[19:10] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont *have * to do it this way.. its just easier
[19:11] <holstein> then, you dont have to bother with manual updates
[19:11] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> it came with 7.0.1 and when i went to help.about there was no chek for update option so I removed it from the system and went to mozilla to get the current version
[19:11] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its more like OSX is that regard.. with the system updates that come in all at once, and some key apple components are updated there as well
[19:11] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: sure... i can give you a ppa for the current stable build
[19:11] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: look at http://pastebin.com/xyDDQbgs
[19:11] <hobgoblin> that will get you what you want
[19:11] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[19:12] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have Chromium and google chrome installed are they the same thing
[19:12] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> are they technically the same browser
[19:12] <Unit193> Chromium is the OpenSource "version" of Chome
[19:12] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: sure.. and you can add the source for firefox stable, and get updates automatically
[19:13] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[19:13] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:13] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: then, you can look in the software center, or apt-get install firefox, or whatever you are comfortable with
[19:13] <hobgoblin> holstein: those are all in the pastebin ...
[19:15] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to terminal and i put in sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable  followed the on screen instructions and i still have no firefox installed
[19:15] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: right. that gives you the source for the updated firefox
[19:15] <Unit193> Now paste   sudo apt-get install firefox
[19:15] <holstein> sudo apt-get update updates the package list on the machine
[19:15] <LemonAid> Unit193, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1326766 got me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 witch is actually the sort of guide i needed in the first place, so thanx for the help :)
[19:15] <holstein> and sudo apt-get install firefox installs the firefox back that you removed
[19:16] <Unit193> LemonAid: Awesome, glad that helped!
[19:16] <Unit193> That is a good one
[19:20] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Where is the option When updates to firefox are found Ask Me what I want to do
[19:20] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can take a screenshot if you need.. but i assume you are talking about your plugins
[19:21] <holstein> thats going to depend on if mozilla has kept support for your plugins
[19:21] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have that option in Firefox for windows and Mac OS X but not in Ubuntu
[19:21] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: "that" option?
[19:21] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: OH
[19:21] <holstein> yeah, its all in the package manager
[19:22] <holstein> you dont go to each application and upgrade them
[19:22] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its all done at the same time by whatever tool you choose
[19:22] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have it where the browser will not upgrade to the next version unless it asks first
[19:22] <holstein> the upgrade manager for example
[19:22] <holstein> it'll popup, and check for upgrades
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont ask FF to upgrade... in ubuntu, its more of a 'set it and forget it' kind of thing
[19:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to Tools>Options>Advaned>Update in Firefox in Windows
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: right
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its different
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its in the upgrade manager that you will look now
[19:24] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: this is considered a convenience by some.. i know i prefer it
[19:24] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I like that option that Firefox has for the Windows version and that option also exists in the Firefox application in Mac OS X
[19:24] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can run the windows version of FF in wine
[19:24] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i do not like applications updating without my knowledge
[19:24] <holstein> you can run windows in virtual box
[19:24] <holstein> you can run linux in virtual box
[19:24] <holstein> there are literally all kinds of options to get *exactly* what you want
[19:25] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: the upgrade manager can be set to do whatever you choose
[19:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> In Windows I have the wuapp.exe (Windows Update) set to the option Check for updates but let me choose to download and install them
[19:25] <holstein> by default, i believe it checks and repots
[19:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have that set for a reason
[19:25] <holstein> it will not upgrade automatically
[19:25] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: rigth
[19:25] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can mirror that workflow
[19:25] <holstein> in the upgrade manager
[19:26] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont do it for *each* *individual* *application* though
[19:26] <holstein> you do it once in the upgrade manager
[19:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if I didnt then windows would download updates for Outlook 2010 when i  do not have that part of Offie installed
[19:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Office
[19:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> why install an update for a program that you do not have installed
[19:26] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: right... the upgrade manger is checking the sources for upgrades to libreoffice.. FF.. chrome.. everything
[19:27] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: that doesnt happen
[19:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> have you used windows
[19:27] <holstein> you have applications installed, and they get upgraded
[19:27] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: yes
[19:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> What is the Ubuntu version of Windows Update
[19:27] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: loits of us have - we have all been where you are
[19:27] <hobgoblin> update manager
[19:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> which is where
[19:27] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: there is none.. its entire system upgrade
[19:27] <holstein> everything all in one go
[19:28] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: update manger is what the application is called
[19:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> meaning when i go from version 11.10 to 11.x that will be me using the Ubuntu version of windows Update
[19:28] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: if you are new to ubuntu/linux, i would say, take your time, and "get your feet wet"
[19:29] <holstein> if you used the older version of FF, it wouldnt hurt anything... security patches are applied to 11.10 for 18 months
[19:29] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you will go from 11.10 to 12.04 *if* you choose
[19:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that will be kinda like using windows Update for Ubuntu
[19:30] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can use that upgrade tool, or the command line.. or synaptic
[19:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> synaptic is the manufacturer of my trackpad
[19:30] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: synaptic is a package manager
[19:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and you cannot find driver for Ubuntu for it
[19:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> but i can find the Windows drivers for it
[19:31] <holstein> you can install packages, you can upgrade the system.. its similar to the software center
[19:31] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: the linux kernel is modular
[19:31] <holstein> if drivers can be included, they generally are.. is your touchpad not working?
[19:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> synaptics made the mouse thing in my laptop
[19:31] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: yes... is it not functionign?
[19:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there are no linux drivers for it but there are Windows drivers
[19:32] <Unit193> Just remember that Synaptics and Synaptic are different
[19:32] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ?
[19:32] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: so, its not working?
[19:32] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont need drivers the same way as in windows
[19:32] <holstein> again... i suggest taking your time, and getting used to the way things work
[19:33] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: please - do you actually want help with specific issues - or are you now just trying to tell us the differences between linux and windows - if that is the case - we know the differences :)
[19:33] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> my touchpad/trackpad/mouse thing is made by synaptics.com
[19:33] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> whoever they are
[19:33] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: there are several reasons why you wont see linux drivers for download
[19:34] <holstein> they arent needed in a lot of cases
[19:34] <holstein> they are just "in the kernel" typically
[19:34] <holstein> and, vendors that dont support linux, just dont support linux
[19:34] <holstein> so, we either go around them, or deal with the breakage
[19:34] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> cause there are about 5 billion different kinds of linux/unix/ubuntu out there
[19:35] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> all having a penguin for there logo
[19:35] <holstein> ?
[19:35] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: linux is the kernel, and its opensource
[19:35] <holstein> *anyone* can use it as they please
[19:35] <holstein> just the few subtle differences you are pointing out should give you an idea as to why there would be so many different versions
[19:36] <holstein> with different funcionalities
[19:36] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> the last time i used linux was redhat 5.0  whenever that version first came out
[19:37] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I needed an elective in college and the only way i passed the course was that every test we had was open book
[19:37] <holstein> cool... that will help
[19:37] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is how i passed and if it was not opened book then i would have failed
[19:38] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: yup.. i understand.. openbook tests.. you didnt really absorb anything...
[19:38] <holstein> but, i still say, i think that experience will help you :)
[19:38] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> The closest thing I came to Unix after that was making the move to Mac OS X in may 2010
[19:38] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> from the time I had that red hat course to making the move to Apple I was a WINDOWS user
[19:39] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to Apple where the hardware plays well with each other unlike with Windows
[19:39] <holstein> yeah, its easier when there is a smaller base of hardware
[19:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and the 3 years of misery with Vista
[19:40] <holstein> i mean, its not fair to compare the 2 really... things that dont work in OSX, just literally dont work
[19:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Microsoft bringing back Windows Me and turning it into a NT version of Windows
[19:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> That is what vista is Windows Me on an NT platform
[19:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what were they thinking
[19:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> both went in the garbage
[19:42] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> vista is the reason I went to Apple
[19:42] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you get FF upgraded?
[19:42] <holstein> you might want to try #mac or #windows for those other questions/comments
[19:43] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> is there a way that you can the the File edit View et menus to permanently stay on the sreen when using Firefox
[19:43] <holstein> or one of the ubuntu-offtopic channels.. otherwise... im glad you found us SthrnDixieCwgrl , and welcome!
[19:43] <hobgoblin> hi squaregoldfish
[19:43] <squaregoldfish> Hi
[19:43] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you right click and have the main menu shown, correct?
[19:45] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I right clicked in firefox and there is no main menu option
[19:45] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: 'menubar'
[19:46] <holstein> ticking the 'menubar' option gives the space at the top of the screen back to the file menus
[19:46] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there is no mun bar and the option for me to enable that does not exist
[19:46] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like me to take a screenshot?
[19:46] <Unit193> SthrnDixieCwgrl: There should be a "Firefox" thing next to the tabs, click that and go to Preferences > Menu Bar
[19:47] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Navigation addon Boomarks tabs on top customize
[19:47] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> which one do I choose
[19:48] <hobgoblin> menu bar SthrnDixieCwgrl
[19:48] <hobgoblin> is it not in the list?
[19:48] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Navigation addon Boomarks tabs on top customize
[19:48] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> those are the choices
[19:48] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> pick one
[19:49] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: please relax and be patient... we are all volunteers here... thanks :)
[19:49]  * holstein is uploading a screenshot
[19:50] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if i right-click next to the tabs i get a Menu bar option
[19:50] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> in windows 7
[19:50] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/187826 SthrnDixieCwgrl
[19:50] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: i dont know what plugins you have that might break that functionality
[19:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have all of them options except in menubar
[19:51] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: not sure what to suggest... maybe open up in safe mode or whatever... could be your config
[19:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I dont have any plugins since the adobe flash player and Adobe reader files form adobe and the java plugin from java.com will not install
[19:52] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you get java and flash from the software center
[19:52] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like to share a screenshot?
[19:52] <holstein> would you like to temporarily remove you .mozilla directory?
[19:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> of what
[19:52] <holstein> would you like to reinstall?
[19:53] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this - close firefox and then start it from a terminal like this         firefox -safe-mode
[19:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> screenshot of what
[19:53] <hobgoblin> then see if you get the menu bar as an option
[19:53] <holstein> hobgoblin: i like that... that'll bypass the config right?
[19:53] <hobgoblin> yep
[19:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> holstein: SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like to share a screenshot?
[19:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> of what
[19:53] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ?
[19:54] <holstein> the issue SthrnDixieCwgrl
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what do i need to share a screen shot of
[19:54] <holstein> the problem.. the lack of menu
[19:54] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: whatever you think might help me help you
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have a .apt flash plaer file from adobe
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> a bin file for adobe reader
[19:54] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: lets work on one thing at a time please
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and a .bin and .rpm.bin files for java from java.com
[19:54] <holstein> do you want to sort out flash? or the menu? or java?
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> dont forget adobe reader
[19:54] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you open the software center and search 'flash'
[19:55] <holstein> OR, the browser and search 'installing flash in ubuntu 11.10'
[19:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I opened software center to find Adobe reader and it did not find it
[19:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is why I went to adobe.com
[19:56] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can also search more generla
[19:56] <holstein> gerneral*
[19:56] <holstein> you can find a pdf reader
[19:56] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you were told you needed the partner repo enabled - adobe reader is available - bit it is called acroreader
[19:56] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AcrobatHowTo
[19:56] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you already have a pdf reader installed anyways
[19:56] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: have you opened firefox in safe mode now? is the menu option there
[19:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what
[19:57] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this - close firefox and then start it from a terminal like this         firefox -safe-mode
[19:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have firefox opened
[19:57] <hobgoblin> have you done that ^^ as asked
[19:57] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: this will bypass your configs
[19:57] <hobgoblin> twice
[19:58] <holstein> open a terminal and type that it, or copy and paste
[19:58] <holstein> firefox -safe-mode
[19:58] <holstein> right click and see if you have the 'menubar' option
[20:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> no
[20:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I found dom.disable_window_open_feature.menubar
[20:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and dom.disable_window_open_feature.menubar
[20:02] <hobgoblin> that is something completely different
[20:05] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I was in about:config
[20:06] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: and im afraid you have tweaked around in there, or somewhere else, and broken it
[20:06] <holstein> thus, we will be wasting time trying to sort it out
[20:06] <holstein> you can look for .mozilla, and temporarily move it out of the way
[20:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what
[20:07] <holstein> *or* just relax about it for a bit, and 'get your feet wet'
[20:07] <holstein> remember, these are not things you would have been doing your first day using windows
[20:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am stuck with a non-working firefox and chromium which is NOThING like google chrome
[20:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> great
[20:07] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: install chrome
[20:07] <holstein> whats not working about FF?
[20:07] <holstein> reinstall it
[20:08] <holstein> remove the config directory
[20:08] <hobgoblin> I wonder if the initial removal of firefox caused this
[20:08] <holstein> yup
[20:08] <holstein> thats where my money is...
[20:08] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: how did you uninstall FF?
[20:09] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I used software center
[20:11] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you would need to give us *exactly* what you have done so far
[20:11] <holstein> and we would need to undo it
[20:13] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I remvoed FF7.0.1 using software center
[20:13] <holstein> right, and downloaded some things, and read something, copied and pasted who knows what
[20:14] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: did you do a lot of things in a terminal - or not until you got here?
[20:14] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I never installed FF 8.x until I was told to open terminal and type in sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[20:14] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can boot up the live CD you installed from and see how FF is behaving
[20:14] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> which I did and followed the instructions on the screen
[20:15] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: i need to run, but i say take it easy, and spend some time in the default included applications... more like how you probably used OSX and windows at first
[20:15] <holstein> ubuntu is quite full featured and customizable, and we can and will help you as much as we can !
[20:15] <holstein> enjoy :)
[20:16] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i did nothing else to firefox after i installed it until I went to some web site and it told me that i had a missing plugin and it sail I was missing something called IcedTea java whatever that is
[20:17] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> the only Java I know is from Sun (it was Sun now it is now known as Oracle)\
[20:18] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am now stuck with a browser that is worth garbage and one that is broken
[20:19] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I hate chromium and Mozilla does not work
[20:19] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> now i am going to have to format Ubuntu and reinstall it to fix it
[20:20] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there is 3 hours right there
[20:20] <hobgoblin> really? takes 20 minutes here
[20:21] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> it took me 3 hours last time
[20:22] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> now the only way I can get firefox to work is to reinstall the entire OS
[20:22] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if this was Mac OS X or Windows I coulod uninstall and reinstall it
[20:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and it would be fixed
[20:23] <hobgoblin> well perhaps you should do that - linux is not windows - if it doesn't work for you then use what does
[20:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if you want something fixed in Ubuntu uninstall the os and reinstall it to fix it
[20:23] <hobgoblin> only when you break it yourself and can't fix it
[20:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I should not have to do that for one application
[20:24] <hobgoblin> such is life - but to be honest I am not at all sure that you actually came here for help - you've spent more time talking about windows and mac
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there is nothing compatible with this operating syustem
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> adobe reader is not ompatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> adobe flash player is not ompatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> java is  not compatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> firefox is not compatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am stuck with hromium and I don't even know what that is
[20:26] <hobgoblin> if you want help backing up stuff to make the update after an install a bit quicker then I am happy to help you
[20:27] <hobgoblin> but why did it take 3 hours to install it - what hardware are you using?
[20:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> think Hewlett-packard
[20:27] <LemonAid> How do you boot with GRUB by not using the menu driven interface, but by using the GRUB command line?  (i can`t reboot my system at the moment)
[20:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is probably the issue right there
[20:28] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: was it all working before you did what is normal in windows and got stuff from the internet?
[20:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I used wubi.exe to install it
[20:28] <hobgoblin> oh
[20:28] <hobgoblin> right
[20:28] <Unit193> That's the major one
[20:28] <hobgoblin> I can understand what the problem you have is now
[20:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i burned Ubuntu to a disc and used wubi to install
[20:28] <hobgoblin> I wish that people would say at the outset that it's wubi :(
[20:28] <Unit193> LemonAid: You should just be able to hold left shift as it's booting
[20:29] <hobgoblin> LemonAid: what exactly is happening?
[20:29] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is the only way I found easiest to install
[20:29] <hobgoblin> k
[20:29] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this please - we need some very important info if we are going to be able to help
[20:30] <hobgoblin> open a terminal again and then run this command  - the l is a lower case L
[20:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> firefox is broken and I have something in appplications called chromium whatever that is
[20:30] <LemonAid> Unit193, thanx. hobgoblin, nothing, i`m just messing around with the GRUB configuration file :)
[20:30] <hobgoblin> sudo fdisk -l
[20:30] <Unit193> LemonAid: /etc/default/grub right?
[20:31] <hobgoblin> LemonAid: you seen the wiki for grub?
[20:31] <LemonAid> Unit193, /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[20:32] <LemonAid> hobgoblin, yes i did. Have not read it fully though.
[20:32] <hobgoblin> LemonAid: if you fiddle with that then it gets reverted after any update that updates that file - better to do things with the various scripts
[20:32] <LemonAid> hobgoblin, i saw that it gets reverted
[20:34] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: what do you want to do - we have no real idea of what you have done to get where you are and hence we are not going to be able to get you back again
[20:34] <LemonAid> What i was actually planing on doing was not let anyone boot into any os without a password, but as it turns out, you can get around that by using the command line interface (not the menu driven one).
[20:35] <hobgoblin> you can stop recovery mode appearing in the menu - but that could be an issue if you need to use it :p
[20:36] <hobgoblin> not even sure if it asks for root password if you enable it either
[20:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I no longer have an internet browser
[20:40] <hobgoblin> so does firefox not work at all - or is that you can't get it to do what you want?
[20:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> it apparently was crippled in the install and that is why that option was not there
[20:41] <hobgoblin> how?
[20:42] <hobgoblin> what is crippled about it - trying to get a straight answer is not proving very successful here at all
[20:43] <hobgoblin> personally I would reinstall - I'd not use wubi either
[20:43] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i cannot use a browser with no menu bar
[20:43] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> so I removed it
[20:46] <hobgoblin> instead of finding out how to get it
[20:46] <LemonAid> Ehm.. it has a menu bar. It`s only visible when you roll over it.
[20:47] <hobgoblin> well good luck with whatever you choose to do SthrnDixieCwgrl
[20:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I don't use web browsers where the menubar does not stay there permanently
[20:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> If I cannot enable a feature to show the menubar then I do not use the browser or application
[20:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> That means I have no web browser on ubuntu
[20:53] <LemonAid> In case you don`t know it, this is how all the applications behave in Ubuntu if you use the Unity Interface.
[20:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> use what
[20:56] <LemonAid> The Unity interface is the default interface for Ubuntu since 10.04(i think) -> the way Ubuntu looks when you first install it.
[20:58] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to terminal and ran sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt  to see it that will remove it
[20:58] <LemonAid> (well, not all aplications, but firefox is one of them)