[00:11] <JarGonBuster> I was using MS visio, I want to know some of its alternatives for ubuntu
[15:58]  * skaet waves
[15:58]  * ogra_ shores
[15:58] <mdeslaur> \o
[15:59]  * skaet giggles at the shores remark
[15:59] <ogra_> :)
[16:00] <jibel> o/
[16:00] <mlegris> \o/
[16:00]  * kenvandine waves
[16:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Dec  9 16:01:11 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[16:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-12-09
[16:01] <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/thread.html;   this has been done with the past ones.
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> During round table Q&A time,  please post link to your mail message, and any additional comments.  When you've finished comments/questions signal by ".."
[16:01] <skaet> If you want to ask a question,  please "o/" so we know to wait for you.
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Schedule for this release will be at:
[16:01] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <skaet> #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> We've now passed Feature Definition Freeze,  and status tracker has been reset.
[16:01] <skaet> There are now  2278 work items (up from 2084 on 2011/11/25), and we're starting to fall below the trend line (partially due to additional items being added).
[16:01] <skaet> Please review your items and make sure status is accurate.
[16:01] <skaet> #link  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/
[16:01] <skaet>  .
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[16:01] <skaet> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/16 - Last weekly meeting of 2011
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/06 - Weekly meeings resume
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/09 - DebianImportFreeze
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/02/02 - '''Alpha 2'''
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Alpha 1 testing of the new ISO tracker (http://91.189.93.73/) went very well.  :D.
[16:02] <skaet> A big thank you to stgraber, jibel, cjwatson and pitti and all the folks who tested the release!
[16:02] <skaet> IS has moved the tracker to the main servers and are working through a couple of glitches, but its new home is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/.    Daily testing results and bugs can now be logged there now going forward.
[16:02] <skaet> ..
[16:02] <ogasawara> skaet: are those meeting dates correct?  or show the first two be reversed?
[16:02] <skaet> ogaswara,  good catch...
[16:03]  * skaet has typo there
[16:03] <skaet> Last meeting is 2011/12/16 - ie. next week.
[16:03] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:04] <skaet> ok,  time for the round table.
[16:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[16:04] <mlegris> hi all!
[16:04] <skaet> :)
[16:04] <mlegris> A1 testing has been postponed
[16:05] <mlegris> we have moved the testing period to after the holidays
[16:05] <mlegris> this is due to restrains with vacations and testing pools
[16:05] <skaet> o/
[16:05] <mlegris> yes skaet?
[16:05] <skaet> am a bit concerned that the results will be dated by then
[16:06] <skaet> can we resynch when you're able to do the testing
[16:06] <mlegris> correct, we would not be using the A1 image, we would use a more recent image
[16:06] <skaet> and decide if it makes more sense to do the daily.
[16:06] <skaet> ack.
[16:06] <mlegris> right, thats our thinking as well
[16:06] <skaet> ok,  one other area I'm concerned about is making sure the blockers
[16:06] <skaet> from oneiric are identified as affecting p or not before then.
[16:07] <skaet> can that be done,  even if we don't have full cert run?
[16:07] <mlegris> It can be done, but not for all the systems
[16:07] <mlegris> so it would be partial to which labs have the manpower to test and update the bugs
[16:08] <skaet> hmm.... lets discuss the details more offline then.   thanks.
[16:08] <mlegris> sure thing
[16:08] <mlegris> Thats my main report for this meeting :)
[16:08] <mlegris> ..
[16:09] <skaet> thanks mlegris.   I've pasted your mail link into the agenda too.
[16:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[16:10] <jibel> hi
[16:10] <skaet> :)
[16:10] <jibel> Additionally to what is written on our team report, we spent the week tracking red balls on
[16:10] <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/
[16:10] <jibel> Now all the tests are almost green excepted upgrades
[16:10] <jibel> server minimal is partially failing because the resulting installation is oversized. jamespage  is putting it on diet.
[16:10] <jibel> now working on lts upgrades
[16:11] <jibel> boot speed test results are published at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/
[16:11] <jibel> please have a look
[16:11] <jibel> ..
[16:11] <jibel> any comment/question ?
[16:11] <skaet> Thanks jibel!
[16:11] <skaet> re: from the report on smoke tests being generated by community - is there a link for the procedure to add them to Jenkins?
[16:11] <jibel> not yet, it's a WIP
[16:12] <pitti> we fixed some major upgrade bugs today
[16:12] <pitti> looking forward to tomorrow's/Monday's autotests
[16:12] <skaet> :)
[16:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur
[16:13] <mdeslaur> hi!
[16:13] <skaet> :)
[16:13] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000572.html
[16:13] <mdeslaur> we've been pretty much occupied with all our reactive work
[16:13] <mdeslaur> not much progress on the work items front
[16:14] <mdeslaur> that's about it!
[16:14] <mdeslaur> .
[16:14] <skaet> Thanks mdeslaur!    anyone have questions?
[16:14] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara
[16:14] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000574.html
[16:15] <ogasawara> I forgot to mention in my email that during our config review session at
[16:15] <ogasawara> UDS, we identified some configuration discrepancies between flavors.
[16:15] <ogasawara> We'll be evaluating these discrepancies more closely in the coming weeks
[16:15] <ogasawara> which will likely result in a few config tweaks most likely for arm or
[16:15] <ogasawara> powerpc.
[16:15] <ogasawara> ..
[16:15] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[16:16] <ogra_> omap4 was already generalized i think
[16:16] <skaet> any questions?
[16:16] <ogra_> ..
[16:16] <ogra_> (final bits went in this week)
[16:16] <ogra_> ..
[16:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - stgraber
[16:17] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000573.html
[16:17] <stgraber> so as skaet mentioned, the state of the QA tracker changed a bit since I sent that e-mail with http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com being online now
[16:18] <skaet> *\o/*
[16:18] <stgraber> we're still tracking some bugs, one being critical (API not working) and another one rather annoying (reports failing due to old Postgres)
[16:18] <stgraber> I have RTs for both but no ETA
[16:19] <stgraber> hoping for the former to be fixed ASAP as currently all the builds and results need to be added by hand...
[16:19] <stgraber> ..
[16:19] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!
[16:19] <mdeslaur> stgraber: any chance of successfully bribing foundations to revert to using the "admin" group? :)
[16:20] <ogra_> any security issues with that ?
[16:20] <ogra_> ..
[16:20] <stgraber> mdeslaur: I don't know much of the history about that particular one (except seeing it happening), I think it may need some desktop+foundations bribing :)
[16:20] <pitti> please send mail before doing that, though
[16:20] <pitti> the admin->user change came unexpectedly enough, we'll need to change umpteen packages again to change it back
[16:21] <mdeslaur> ogra_: consistency and security auditing...not a big issue, but it's an unexpected change for users
[16:21] <pitti> no objections from here, it should just be coordinated
[16:21] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:21] <ogra_> ..
[16:22]  * skaet looks around for other questions....
[16:22] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey
[16:23] <skaet> is Daviey or anyone else from server team around?
[16:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A-  ogra_
[16:23] <ogra_> ha ! me !!
[16:23] <skaet> :)
[16:23] <ogra_> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000587.html
[16:24] <ogra_> armhf FTW !
[16:24] <ogra_> :)
[16:24] <ogra_> ..
[16:24] <slangasek> \o/
[16:24] <slangasek> arwoof
[16:24] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ !  re: armhf - congrat!!!
[16:24] <ogra_> (and a HUGE praise to infinity and doko for all that work)
[16:25] <doko> as a side note ... http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html
[16:25] <ogra_> dokos manager shoudl think about bonuses already ;)
[16:25] <ogra_> ..
[16:25] <ogra_> doko, its in the mail ;)
[16:25] <ogra_> ..
[16:25] <skaet> very nice news indeed.  :)  and agree, big thanks to infinity and doko.  :)
[16:25] <doko> ... starts looking useful for other architectures too, showing general build failures, not just armhf
[16:26] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo
[16:28]  * skaet not seeing fabo,  but notes he has dependency on DX..
[16:28] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000570.html
[16:28] <skaet> dbarth, ^^ can you respond to thread after meeting?
[16:29] <dbarth> skaet: yes
[16:29] <skaet> thanks!
[16:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover
[16:30] <skaet> hmm,  not seeing him in channel,  moving on.
[16:30] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti
[16:30]  * kenvandine steps in :)
[16:30] <pitti> nothing from me aside from the already sent report
[16:30] <pitti> any questions?
[16:30] <skaet> sorry kenvandine pitti told me.
[16:30] <kenvandine> pitti!
[16:30] <pitti> (need to run in some 10 mins)
[16:31] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000581.html
[16:31] <skaet> anyone have question?
[16:32] <skaet> Thanks kenvandine and pitti.  :)
[16:32] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Q&A - dbarth
[16:32] <dbarth> hi
[16:32] <skaet> :)
[16:33] <dbarth> the report is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:34] <dbarth> the main thing to underline
[16:34] <dbarth> is the completion of the build and test automation infrastructure
[16:34] <pitti> huge congrats on this!
[16:34] <dbarth> and the fact that at least unity shell is now connected with the autopilot test suite
[16:35] <pitti> it certainly caused a lot of pain, but it's so great to see this working now
[16:35] <dbarth> compiz is still a bit behind, and the unity-qt side is close though
[16:35] <dbarth> ..
[16:35] <skaet> Thanks dbarth!   congrats on getting test suite up!  :)   new blueprint also noted.
[16:36] <skaet> dbarth, what day that first week in january are you expecting unity updates to land?
[16:36]  * skaet wondering if we're back on a regular day DX changes landing or not...
[16:37] <dbarth> (otp at the same time sorry)
[16:37] <skaet> dbarth,  ok, will follow up with you offline.
[16:37] <dbarth> thursday sorry
[16:38] <dbarth> normal upload window
[16:38] <skaet> ack.  will follow up offline.
[16:38] <skaet> thanks
[16:38] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell
[16:38] <Riddell> hi
[16:38] <skaet> :)
[16:38] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000578.html
[16:39] <Riddell> I'm a bit concust and not thinking all straight, so let me know if I make any mistakes
[16:39] <Riddell> and I'll be back into KDE packaging slowly next week
[16:39] <Riddell> ..
[16:39] <ogra_> its good to have you back !
[16:39] <ogra_> ..
[16:39] <skaet> Thanks Riddell!   glad you're back as well!
[16:40] <skaet> Riddell,  Is there a backup contact I should be working with for Kubuntu on the milestone testing going forward?
[16:40] <Riddell> skaet: not currently I'm afraid
[16:41] <skaet> ack.  let me know if you come up with one.
[16:41]  * skaet looks around for any question?
[16:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber
[16:42] <stgraber> hey again
[16:42] <skaet> :)
[16:42] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000575.html
[16:43] <stgraber> so biggest thing this week is the automated upgrade testing, first complete "clean" run of edubuntu, kubuntu, mythbuntu and xubuntu is still running
[16:43] <stgraber> results will appear on the tracker once the API works again
[16:44] <stgraber> oh, and I'm sure highvoltage would really like some news from Kubuntu (if he didn't get any yet) as the TB meeting is on Monday and will likely be the last for this year. So would be good to have LTS sorted there.
[16:44] <stgraber> I think that's it
[16:44] <stgraber> ..
[16:44] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!
[16:44] <Riddell> yes I plan to do the TB things on monday
[16:45] <stgraber> Riddell: thanks!
[16:45] <skaet> Good to hear the auto-upgrade testing is now clean for edubuntu!  :)
[16:45] <stgraber> oh, and btw, so far Edubuntu and Kubuntu upgrade fine from Oneiric to Precise on both i386 and amd64
[16:45] <skaet> :)
[16:46] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick
[16:46] <madnick> hi
[16:46] <madnick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000569.html
[16:47] <madnick> As you see, not much is new :)
[16:47] <madnick> ..
[16:47] <skaet> Thanks madnick.  no issues are nice :)
[16:48] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - ScottL
[16:48]  * skaet not seeing him in channel though...
[16:48] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir
[16:48] <gilir> hi :)
[16:48] <skaet> :)
[16:48] <gilir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000577.html
[16:49] <gilir> additional item, desktop daily ISOs fail to be published
[16:49] <gilir> log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/765014/
[16:50] <gilir> ..
[16:50] <skaet> Thanks gilir,   will look into the publishing failure after the meeting.
[16:50] <gilir> thanks skaet :)
[16:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney
[16:51] <tumbleweed> hi, nothing to report from us
[16:52] <skaet> thanks tumbleweed!  anyone have questions on MOTU?
[16:52] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business, comments questions: ?
[16:53] <skaet> heh,  looks like thats it,  and we're ending in under an hour.  :)
[16:53] <skaet> Thank you to everyone who put their status's in email.  It helped alot!
[16:53] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Dec  9 16:53:33 2011 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-09-16.01.moin.txt
[16:53] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[16:53] <skaet> Thanks  mlegris, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, stgraber, ogra_, pitti, kenvandine, dbarth, Riddell, madnick, gilir, tumbleweed.
[16:53] <skaet> :)
[16:53] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:53] <mdeslaur> thanks!