[00:25] <xubuntu312> Oigan una duda, al actualizar al 11.10 también se actualiza gnome a la versión 3 o así se queda?
[00:26] <cYmen> hi guys
[00:26] <cYmen> I have an eee pc and neither the sleep special button nor closing the lid works for suspending
[00:26] <cYmen> and when I selecdt hibernate from the menu it just shuts down
[00:27] <cYmen> does anybody have an idea how to debug that?
[00:28] <cYmen> what does work is selecting suspend in the menu...
[00:31] <holstein> cYmen: what eee?
[00:31] <holstein> i have a 900, 1001p, and 1015
[00:32] <cYmen> uh...I think it's a 1015 but I have to look it up...do you know a quick way to check?
[00:32] <holstein> it either sleeps or it doesnt... you might just need to familiarize yourself with the xfce power mangement
[00:32] <holstein> cYmen: i look on the bottom, and the # is usually there
[00:32] <holstein> its different from gnome
[00:33] <cYmen> ah it's a 1005'HA
[00:33] <holstein> you dont say "when i close the lid, sleep" like you don in gnome... you have to say "when i close the lid powered up speed", or on battery power
[00:33] <cYmen> yeah I have no idea how power management works in xfce yet, I never set it up
[00:33] <cYmen> how do I get started?
[00:33] <holstein> i set mine for when plugged in, and was very confused when i was on batter power and it didnt sleep
[00:35] <holstein> cYmen: in the settings manger, under 'settings' in the menu, theres a power manger icon
[00:35]  * cYmen messes around.
[00:35] <cYmen> Okay, thanks so far!
[00:37] <cYmen> holstein: So can it hibernate and suspend or can it only suspend? I'm not sure I understood you correctly.
[00:37] <holstein> cYmen: you'll have to sort that out
[00:37] <holstein> mine all do it all
[00:38] <holstein> i find intel hardware generally well supported
[00:38] <cYmen> hm...as I said when I select hibernate in the menu it turns off :)
[00:38] <holstein> cYmen: thats hibernate
[00:38] <holstein> it looks like its off
[00:38] <holstein> the power is off
[00:38] <holstein> suspend is probably what you want
[00:41] <cYmen> uh no the problem is when I turn it back on it just starts up :)
[00:42] <holstein> cYmen: ?
[00:43] <holstein> thats hibernate
[00:43] <holstein> if you ask it to hibernate, when you turn it back on, it will just start up
[00:43] <cYmen> uh...I thought it's supposed to store ram to disk and restore the state it was in...?
[00:44] <holstein> cYmen: did it not?
[00:44] <cYmen> no it just started up vanilla
[00:44] <cYmen> that's what I meant :)
[00:44] <holstein> cYmen: if you are literally just getting started, i wouldnt worry about it too much
[00:45] <holstein> im sure its just getting used to it
[00:45] <cYmen> O_o
[00:45] <cYmen> It needs to get used to hibernating? :)
[00:45] <holstein> cYmen: ?
[00:46] <holstein> im sure the tools are something you will become familiar with in time
[00:47] <cYmen> Hm...but it seems defunct in some way...
[00:47] <holstein> cYmen: might be, but it works very well on my 3 EEE's out of the box
[00:47] <holstein> expecially 10.04
[00:47] <holstein> especially*
[00:47] <holstein> there was something i had to add for the new one... lemme find it
[00:48] <Crash_O-D> i'm having problems with getting my touch-pad from being able to click
[00:50] <Crash_O-D> *to no click
[00:50] <Crash_O-D> *not
[00:51] <holstein> Crash_O-D: check out http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1753720.html
[00:53] <holstein> cYmen: OK... let me put this in a pastebin
[00:54] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/764421/
[00:55] <holstein> i think i got that here? https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[00:55] <Crash_O-D> synclient MaxTapTime=0 does that stay permanent when just entered in terminal
[00:55] <holstein> Crash_O-D: it'll be easy to determine that after you reboot
[00:55] <holstein> and you can decide how to deal with it then, or ask about it here agin
[00:55] <holstein> again*
[00:55] <holstein> i dont think its persistent
[00:56] <Crash_O-D> thanks will try
[00:56] <Crash_O-D> brb
[00:57] <cYmen> holstein: thanks for the link!
[00:59] <Guest36368> not persistent
[01:00] <Crash_O-D> its not persistent
[01:01] <holstein> Crash_O-D: cool... so not you can make a startup script for it
[01:02] <Crash_O-D> can i just add it to setting session and startup
[01:03] <holstein> sounds like a plan!
[01:04] <Crash_O-D> would i just enter add: synclient MaxTapTime=0 since not app
[01:05] <holstein> Crash_O-D: i say, as long as you know how to remove it, it wont hurt to try it out, and see
[01:05] <Crash_O-D> brb restarting to test
[01:06] <Crash_O-D> thanks
[01:06] <holstein> Crash_O-D: :)
[01:19] <Crash_O-D> next thing numlock
[01:21] <cYmen> holstein: Doesn't seem to work on the 1005HA but thanks anyway!
[01:24] <Crash_O-D>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock -> Enabling NumLock during startup and before login ->  edit /etc/gdm/Init/Default. For older versions of Ubuntu edit /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default  though files dont exist
[01:39] <Crash_O-D> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock -> Enabling NumLock during startup and before login ->  edit /etc/gdm/Init/Default. For older versions of Ubuntu edit /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default  though files dont exist. please help.
[01:53] <totesmuhgoats> hey folks
[01:53] <totesmuhgoats> someone in here told me about gigolo yesterday, they woudn't happen to be around?
[01:55] <Paimun> who was it?
[01:56] <totesmuhgoats> can't remember tbh
[01:57] <holstein> cYmen: seem?
[01:58] <holstein> i dont have that model either
[01:58] <holstein> i have that hardware in mine though
[02:01] <holstein> i cant find my documentation... all i know is, without that patch, i would not be running 11.10
[02:01] <holstein> i would still be running 10.04 on that machine
[02:01] <holstein> not sure if we will need that in the future
[02:32] <hylian> hello all
[02:35]  * hylian looks out on the digital undead, and sees an army of afk zombies...
[02:36] <holstein> hey hylian ... feel free to join #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:37] <hylian> holstein, my trash can disappeared for a while, and then it came back, on it's own... strange?
[02:38] <holstein> hylian: odd... i wouldnt lose sleep over it... how long have you been using XFCE ?
[02:47] <Crash_O-D> holstein: couple days
[03:14] <just_installed> Yo!
[03:15] <just_installed> What is Xfce?
[03:15] <Paimun> XFCE is a desktop environment
[03:15] <Paimun> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFCE
[03:20] <just_installed> Do you think that Xbuntu will run smoothly on an Acer Aspire Netbook?
[03:21] <Paimun> well, what kind of specs does it have?
[03:21] <Paimun> I'm on a netbook, and xubuntu technically runs fine, but running a lot of software at once will make it shit the bed
[03:22] <just_installed> lol ok :
[03:22] <just_installed> - Mobile Intel® 945GSE Express Chipset (DDR2 400/533 MHz)
[03:22] <just_installed> 500 mb ram
[03:22] <Paimun> yeah you're gonna have a rough time
[03:23] <Paimun> 500 MB ram is not a lot at all
[03:23] <just_installed> because I tried Ubuntu 11.10 and it runs like shit
[03:23] <just_installed> i thought so.
[03:23] <just_installed> But Win 7 runs perfectly.
[03:23] <Paimun> heh
[03:23] <just_installed> sorry, 1 gb RAM
[03:23] <Paimun> well that's better
[03:24] <Paimun> but if you run heavy things like chrome or dolphin a lot you're going to be seeing a lot of hanging
[03:24] <just_installed> hmm ok thanks.
[03:24] <Paimun> depending on your processor too, and hard drive speed in the case of swap space
[03:24] <Paimun> if you have a 7200 RPM drive that will help with swap and a dual core will be good too
[03:25] <just_installed> are there any really tiny and lightweight distros that will run smoothly?
[03:25] <Paimun> I do not have any experience with these distros myself
[03:25] <Paimun> but I've heard crunchbang and damn small linux are good
[03:26] <Paimun> xubuntu used to be kinda lightweight but that's changed recently
[03:26] <just_installed> xGrind: hmmm DSL? Ive heard of it. also heard that X was lightweight.
[03:27] <just_installed> Have you heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLinux this?
[03:27] <just_installed> its Linux forr Nintendo DS
[03:27] <xGrind> ???
[03:27] <holstein> puppy has an ubuntu based verion, and lubuntu is light... crunchbang
[06:04] <maxineb> hey
[09:13] <gry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto/+bug/863464 any workarounds available?
[09:31] <ochosi> gry: not sure, tbh the best thing might be to wait for precise or compile a newer version of ristretto
[09:31] <ochosi> gry: ristretto has been almost rewritten since 0.0.93, unfortunately we still have that version in oneiric
[10:10] <gry> ochosi, this bug has no set priority. This being the default / recommended image viewer on xfce, and no workaround available, could you set it to something sane please?
[10:11] <ochosi> gry: the point is that it won't get fixed, because upstream (xfce) is already far further in terms of new versions and therefore not maintaining 0.0.93 anymore and for us (with extremely limited manpower) it doesn't make sense to try to fix it because precise will have a completely fixed up new version anyway
[10:12] <ochosi> i know this sucks, but for oneiric there's really not much more we can do but ask you to wait and use something else in the meantime
[10:12] <ochosi> (gpicview, geeqie, eog, you name it)
[10:13] <gry> ochosi, thanks for your time explaining this. There is just one small question left, you seem to use 'precise' as a noun, what do you mean with it?
[10:14] <ochosi> "precise pangolin" is the next version of x/ubuntu, aka 12.04
[10:14] <ochosi> !precise
[10:15] <gry> Aah. Thank you very much for your details.
[10:20] <ochosi> np, yw :)
[14:00] <deww> I managed to make the icons on panel2 left justified, but could not figure out how to make it centered again. can someome assist with that?
[14:01] <Sysi> add spacesr on left and right and go to their properties and set them to expand
[14:03] <deww> interesting. so i possibly removed one spacer?
[14:03] <deww> i'll try
[14:04] <deww> ah ok
[14:04] <deww> it made one of them not expand
[14:04] <deww> thank you very much
[14:04] <Sysi> np
[14:05] <baizon> can any of you tell me what does aticonfig --overlay-on=1 mean / do?
[14:06] <Sysi> "man aticonfig"? /overlay for searching "overlay"
[14:06] <baizon> got it
[14:06] <baizon> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Aticonfighelp
[14:07] <baizon> but i still dont know whats for
[14:37] <de_horse> join #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:38] <de_horse> sigh i suck at irc
[14:39] <GridCube> de_horse,
[14:39] <GridCube> /j #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:40] <baizon> xD
[14:41] <GridCube> :o
[14:41] <GridCube> my media keys work again
[14:42] <baizon> very nice
[14:43] <baizon> my dual-monitor is working again too :D
[14:43] <GridCube> :D
[14:43] <GridCube> \o/
[14:45] <baizon> linux is just awesome! :-)
[14:47] <GridCube> :D
[14:49]  * Sysi is playing hedgewars
[15:54] <sebx> When I watch videos, it's like there are "slices" in the pictures. Reminds me of vsync being off in counter-strike, back in the day. What is that?
[15:56] <mongy> sebx,  like you said, vsync
[15:56] <sebx> how to I switch it on?
[15:57] <sebx> no idea where to start
[15:58] <Sysi> what graphics card/driver?
[15:59] <sebx> intel onboard
[16:00] <GridCube> sebx, do "lspci " on a terminal and paste the text to a pastebin and give it to us
[16:00] <sebx> I'm trying to get multi monitor to work but so far had no luck getting it persistent
[16:00] <sebx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11523223
[16:00] <sebx> will do
[16:01] <holstein> sebx: if you have time.. try arandr and let me know if the settings persist
[16:01] <sebx> they don't persist
[16:01] <holstein> sebx: with arandr ?
[16:02] <sebx> http://pastebin.com/3DJBrAPP
[16:02] <GridCube> actually just >lspci | grep "VGA"      should give us what we need :P
[16:02] <sebx> holstein, yes
[16:02] <sebx> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[16:02] <GridCube> ;)
[16:02] <holstein> you can just add whatever you are using to the startup scripts i suppose
[16:03] <sebx> holstein, I tried that but it executes at the wrong time. Right now I always do it manually. It's a crap solution either way.
[16:03] <sebx> I'm working on that, for now I'm curious about vsync
[16:04] <sebx> I haven't had that problem with any other linux distro, and I'm trying them pretty much all
[16:04] <sebx> I love xubuntu for it's speed but can't say that much is working for me...
[16:05] <GridCube> sebx, you using oneiric?
[16:05] <sebx> y
[16:05] <GridCube> mmkay
[16:06] <GridCube> sebx, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=127302
[16:09] <sebx> I'm pretty sure the refreshrate is correct
[16:09] <sebx> just played with grandr to check it's on full blast and it is
[16:11] <Sysi> sebx: disable compositing
[16:11] <Sysi> you can set sync to vblank in xorg.conf but I'm not sure if that still works since xfwm doesn't use opengl
[16:12] <sebx> wow ok, disabling compositing gets rid of the vsync problem
[16:12] <sebx> that is GREAT news
[16:13] <sebx> thanks!
[16:13] <Sysi> you tried xrandr script on autostart in Sessions and startup?
[16:13] <sebx> now I just need to figure out how to get dual monitor and volume shortcuts to work.
[16:13] <sebx> Sysi, yes
[16:13] <Sysi> hmm, weird
[16:14] <sebx> the scripts must get executed and an inconvenient time where it gets overridden
[16:14] <Sysi> I think not the first time I hear about that though..
[16:15] <Sysi> try enabling gnome services on startup
[16:15] <Sysi> for some users it makes dualhead work.. though maybe that could cause it to not work too
[16:15] <sebx> I did that but that just started the virtual keyboard and I didn't really know where to go from there
[16:15] <mongy> I use ati proprietary so I get tearing, with or without xfce composting enabled.  I  also use compiz so with --vs=on flag for aticonfig and set my player to use gl, no tearing.
[16:15] <sebx> what do I do once they are enable?
[16:28] <p4ul> are there any bigger files xubuntu is downloadin while installation?
[16:28] <Sysi> language packs
[16:29] <p4ul> there seems to be no progress for 10 or 20 mins can it download so much with about 2 mbit connection
[16:37] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:38] <charlie-tca> it can take a very long time to download the language packs
[16:38] <charlie-tca> It also could have frozen at that place in the install. I sometimes see a screensaver kick in right then, and it can freeze the installer
[16:46] <GridCube> !PAE
[16:47] <Sysi> GridCube: /msg ubottu factoid to check stuff privately
[16:47] <GridCube> oh, yes, sorry
[16:57] <sebx> thanks for your help guys. bye
[17:55] <Quaydon> How can I make a panel icon  stay to the right? Everything is snapping on the left.
[17:56] <TheSheep> Quaydon: insert a separator and make it autoexpand
[17:57] <ror> I switched my laptop from ubuntu to xubuntu (with apt-get install xubuntu) and now it won't boot!
[17:58] <ror> It doesn't even get a splash screen
[17:58] <Quaydon> TheSheep, Ahhhh Thank you. I can now rest.
[17:58] <TheSheep> ror: installing xubuntu is not the reason, what did you do other than that?
[17:59] <TheSheep> ror: can you boot it in the recovery mode?
[18:01] <ror> TheSheep: I installed xubuntu, that's all I did
[18:01] <ror> I booted in ubuntu, did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu
[18:01] <ror> Then turned off the laptop once it was done
[18:02] <ror> Now it won't boot, I don't get a grub menu or anything :\
[18:03] <ror> it gets to the bootloader, the machine flickers its light for less than half a second, then nothing
[18:03] <ror> nothing on the screen either after it's decided to boot
[18:03] <ror> Ah well I'm downloading a xubuntu 11.10 disc now I'll try that
[18:08] <TheSheep> !info xubuntu
[18:09] <TheSheep> ror: what you wrote wouldn't do anything
[18:09] <TheSheep> ror: hold down shift while booting and select recovery mode
[18:20] <ror> TheSheep, thanks I'll try that
[18:20] <ror> !info xubuntu-desktop
[18:20] <ror> That's the package :)
[18:22] <Paimun> !info gummi
[18:22] <Paimun> heh, neat bot there :P
[19:12] <wewe325> Excuse me, I'm trying to make a shortcut to start a terminal. What is the 'command' that runs the default terminal?
[19:13] <Unit193> xfce-terminal
[19:13] <wewe325> thank you
[19:14] <well_laid_lawn> that'll be xfce4-terminal afaikk
[19:15] <Unit193> Aye, I've forgotten the 4 before sadly
[19:15] <wewe325> Ah, indeed it is, thanks
[19:15] <well_laid_lawn> cheers big ears ;)
[22:37]  * xGrind is away: Estou ocupado
[22:38] <Unit193> xGrind: Would you mind disabling that when you get back?