[04:45] <philipballew> is there an easy way to install Debian as my second os in place of back track thats currently installed without messing up grub?
[04:47] <holstein> philipballew: sure... i usually let the linux's share a swap partition
[04:47] <philipballew> alright. is the best way to do that and just not let debian set up its own mbr?
[04:48] <holstein> philipballew: either way
[04:48] <philipballew> alright, and yeah. sharing swap sounds smart
[04:48] <holstein> philipballew: i would just know how to update grub from a live CD, and all is well :)
[04:48] <philipballew> i have 4 gigs as well so i am not sure swap is always nessessery
[04:48] <holstein> philipballew: you have to get the alternate CD's with buntu to *not* install grub these days
[04:49] <philipballew> makes sence i guess. well i was gonna install debian only this time as ubuntu is already installed. i need debian as i am going to be making packages for them now
[04:51] <holstein> philipballew: cool
[04:51] <holstein> keep me posted on that
[04:51] <philipballew> alright. I will. thanks for the info
[07:33] <mascot> Ahoy
[07:39] <JackyAlcine> Argh
[07:39] <JackyAlcine> *Arggg
[07:58] <uwe> moin
[08:51] <ashickur-noor> Hi
[08:51] <ashickur-noor> How are u all?
[08:59] <uwe> fine and you?
[09:00] <ashickur-noor> me also
[09:01] <uwe> where are you from?
[09:02] <ashickur-noor> Bangladesh
[09:02] <ashickur-noor> and u?
[09:02] <uwe> germany
[09:02] <ashickur-noor> Nice
[09:03] <ashickur-noor> Have you tried knoppix?
[09:04] <uwe> yes knoppix is cool
[09:35] <ArizonaBa> hi can anyone help me with figuring out what is wrong with this comman on excel
[09:35] <ArizonaBa> please ? NOTE = "E"
[10:31] <Arizona_Bay> can anyone help me with visual basic sheets?
[10:58] <kanout> hello everybody! I try to install ubuntu 11.10 on a win7 system. The installer doesn't recognize the win 7 OS. What can I do to rescue win 7 from the installation?
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> what do u mean it doesn recognize it?
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> like in the repartition?
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> just check on instal side by side
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> ...
[11:05] <kanout> it doesn't have that option
[11:05] <Arizona_Bay> alright
[11:05] <Arizona_Bay> did u make your partitions?
[11:07] <kanout> yes I have made unallocated space for ubuntu to use but still it doen't see it. Even though the disk utility from the live cd sees it as unallocated space. I have tried also fedora installer and it happens to be the same thing.
[11:09] <Arizona_Bay> it sees as the whole disk empty?
[11:09] <Arizona_Bay> o.o
[11:09] <Arizona_Bay> also u should check out #ubuntu
[11:09] <kanout> yes
[11:10] <Arizona_Bay> are you sure u didnt wipe it out?
[11:10] <kanout> yes. if i quit the installation win7 starts normally.
[11:11] <Arizona_Bay> I have honestly no idea..
[11:11] <kanout> Win 7 have made a small partition sized 100 MB which is system use, and this partition is marked by Active
[11:11] <kanout> I think something is messed up with the MBR
[11:15] <Arizona_Bay> I am really more noob then u are
[11:15] <Arizona_Bay> like i said check out the main channel
[11:16] <kanout> ok thank you for your time.
[11:38] <Arizona_Bay> it was my pleasure :D
[12:57] <hobgoblin> got that working again then :)
[13:14] <hobgoblin> hello iggy19 geoff44
[13:14] <geoff44> Hi hobgoblin
[13:15] <hobgoblin> need help or just wandering about :)
[13:15] <geoff44> This is my first time on a IRC
[13:16] <hobgoblin> oh - well welcome to IRC and this channel then :)
[13:16] <hobgoblin> what brought you here?
[13:16] <geoff44> Thanks hobgoblin - where do you hail from?
[13:16] <uwe> hi geoff welcome here
[13:17] <hobgoblin> south of england geoff44
[13:17] <geoff44> Hi uwe - I'm from Australia
[13:17] <uwe> i am from germany
[13:17] <hobgoblin> geoff44: if you've come following a link - the offtopic channel is #ubuntu-beginners-team - this is the support channel
[13:18] <hobgoblin> oh cool - I know a few that get here from oz
[13:18] <geirha> Isn't it awfully late over there now?
[13:19] <hobgoblin> I'd have to guess so :)
[13:19] <geoff44> Yeah 20 past midnight
[13:20] <geoff44> I'm pretty ancient - the 44 refers to my date of birth
[13:20] <hobgoblin> that's not ancient :p
[13:20] <hobgoblin> my mum told me
[13:21] <uwe> hehe is she from that age <hobgoblin> ?
[13:21] <geoff44> You interested in cricket hobgoblin?
[13:21] <hobgoblin> uwe: one more in fact :p
[13:21] <hobgoblin> geoff44: only when we are winning ...
[13:22] <hobgoblin> not much of a sportsman
[13:22] <geoff44> NZ is cleaning us up in the test match
[13:23] <hobgoblin> oh dear
[13:23] <geoff44> This is a good learning experience for me
[13:23] <geoff44> Thanks hobgoblin
[13:23] <hobgoblin> good - that's what life is for
[13:24] <hobgoblin> so are you using a linux system now?
[13:24] <geoff44> How old are you uwe?
[13:24] <geoff44> Yes 11.10 mainly gnome shell
[13:25] <hobgoblin> aah cool
[13:25] <uwe> 38
[13:25] <uwe> 38 geoff44
[13:26] <geoff44> Yes you're only a youngster uwe
[13:27] <geoff44> I guess the other channels are mainly technical in nature?
[13:28] <hobgoblin> this is one actually - this is the beginners team support channel - we have some others, offtopic #ubunt-beginners-team
[13:28] <geirha> Am I the only one using Unity? Sometimes I feel like the only one. :)
[13:29] <hobgoblin> I think sabdfl uses it sometimes as well geirha
[13:30] <geoff44> Hi geirha - i'm using Unity right now
[13:33] <uwe> i use unity and ubuntustudio 10.10
[13:38] <uwe> i do not like the unity desktop to be honest
[13:40] <geoff44> I just went back on it today to try the myunity tool
[13:40] <hobgoblin> oh I've seen that thing on the forums
[13:40] <hobgoblin> not tried it though - wouldn't work with xfce :p
[13:41] <geoff44> In my opinion it doesn't do a huge amount
[13:42] <geoff44> I quite like gnome shell with 4 or 5 extensions
[13:51] <geoff44> I guess it is time for me to got bed - It has been a pleasure to meet you all.
[14:45] <E3D3> Hi, I'm a TOTAL network-noob or worse a little phobic. To open an extern file in an already running Emacs editor #emacs advised me to use a server & client. Is it true that it has nothing to do with internet ?
[14:51] <holstein> E3D3: im not sure where you read or heard what you heard, or why... but yes that is true
[14:51] <holstein> a server client scenario does *not* have to involve the internet or a network
[14:52] <holstein> the server and client can be running 'locally' on one machine,
[15:04] <E3D3> holstein: Really thanks, more people tried to explain me clearly but your the first that don't use words I have to Google for. :-)
[15:09] <holstein> E3D3: maybe check out http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsClient
[15:10] <holstein> if its a file you are being asked to edit, you might want to see if you can download it and work with it locally in the editor of your choice
[15:11] <holstein> running services like that on a network with linux is not the same as if you are in windows
[15:12] <holstein> your user has certain permissions, and that typically keeps you safer than if you were running a client and connecting to a server with administrative permission
[15:12] <holstein> this would be like connecting to a website (server) with your web browser (client)
[15:13] <holstein> i say, do what makes you feel safe, and read around, and ask questions like you are...
[15:13] <E3D3> I'm a little paranoid about what I don't understand and always skipped this subject. I just thought it would work like with most programs, changing the opening-command. Server & client scare me because I can't control to who they connect.
[15:13] <holstein> E3D3: you can control that
[15:13] <holstein> and you can control the permissions
[15:27] <E3D3> I like to learn things to the bottom but avoided internet with it protocol-wars so most children know more. I think its to complex, temporary knowledge full of nasty hidden stuff. So I connect to public WLAN without password and close it after my job is done. Also SQL talked about server & another account so I threw it away, to much sidekick to handle/learn about. I'm always behind with this stuff and keep feeling naked. I wish this
[15:27] <E3D3> 'upgraded notepad' used different words & ways to do it, just like other programs. Thanks you for your patience, help and take away some anxiety. I will try to overcome the remaining. Good luck & Thanks
[15:32] <holstein> E3D3: you can always work from a live CD
[15:32] <holstein> if you are worried about something infecting your machine, or your machine's hard drive, take it out of the equation
[15:33] <holstein> you can boot a live CD, or from a read only USB stick, have some storage area that is encrypted, or wiped regularly
[15:34] <holstein> this site http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ hosts linux live CD"s based on ubuntu that offer server scenarios to fit most any need
[15:56] <E3D3> holstein: I feel much comforted and try to find a route to the base of all this with a true understanding instead of living in a fog and blind repeating others. Thank you for helping. :-0
[15:57] <E3D3> :-)
[17:22] <AlexIsAverage> Hey! I'm having some trouble setting up an Afterglow Xbox controller so that Ubuntu recognizes it. Can anyone lend a hand?
[19:22] <LemonAid> Hi guys. What does the ! character in the /etc/shadow represent? I know the * character means that account is locked for login. "root" has a !, so it leads me to believe it might be a temporary rights something..
[19:23] <LemonAid> I meant, in the lines in the /etc/shadow file.
[19:24] <geirha> It is explained in the man-page.  man shadow
[19:25] <LemonAid> Will check, thanx.
[22:04] <creede> Hey all, I have a question. When I move my cursor to the left or the right edge of the screen, compiz (presumably) wants to resize the active window up against that edge of the window.
[22:04] <creede> How can I turn that off? It's annoying++.
[22:05] <creede> (I can get around it by switching windows, but I still want to turn it off.)
[22:06] <urlin2u> creede, you might try the #compiz channel.
[22:07] <creede> Thanks, I'll try there.