[10:48] <Unit193> Howdy, oCean
[10:49] <oCean> mornin'
[10:50] <Unit193> No
[11:00] <oCean> o/
[11:00] <bazhang> \0
[11:01] <funkyHat> ô/
[11:01] <Unit193> /o\
[11:01] <bazhang> incoming!
[11:01] <funkyHat> \ô>
[11:05] <oCean> Dear IRCC, I expected an IRCC meeting at this point..
[11:05] <jussi> Im here
[11:05] <jussi> 1 sec
[11:05] <oCean> ah, no prob
[11:06] <jussi> right, wheres the topyli monster...
[11:06] <jussi> elky: ping?
[11:06] <jussi> nhandler_: ?
[11:07] <jussi> bah, gues we have to wait a min
[11:10] <jussi> trying to get Juha on phone.
[11:10] <Unit193> Oh boy, 6am so I'm dead tired :P
[11:11] <jussi> hey topyli!
[11:11] <topyli> hi. sorry, had to run for buzzyness
[11:12] <jussi> topyli: are you phone or pc bound?
[11:12] <topyli> i have a computer now
[11:12] <jussi> excellent. your chairing since elky isnt here
[11:12] <topyli> honored :)
[11:13] <topyli> #startmeeting
[11:13] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Dec 10 11:13:03 2011 UTC.  The chair is topyli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[11:13] <topyli> do we have quorum by any chance?
[11:13] <jussi> topyli: lets do the membership app first, shall we?
[11:13] <topyli> alright
[11:13] <jussi> or hang on, Ill go find some rmb meber to step in
[11:15] <jussi> meh, lets do it. we can grab someone later or grab one of our members on the ML.
[11:16] <topyli> #topic Membership applications
[11:16] <topyli> there's one, funkyHat
[11:16] <jussi> funkyHat: lets have your spiel :)
[11:16] <topyli> funkyHat: would you like to introduce quickly?
[11:16] <funkyHat> erm
[11:16] <funkyHat> Hello ⢁)
[11:17] <topyli> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MattWheeler
[11:18] <topyli> that was quick :)
[11:18] <funkyHat> Not really sure what I should say here. Ubuntu Membership is my next step in infiltrating the evil Ubuntu machine.
[11:18] <jussi> funkyHat: you give us a quick intor to who you are and what you do.
[11:19] <czajkowski> morning
[11:19] <jussi> right, so czajkowski has agreed to step in as a replacement for this membership application.
[11:19] <funkyHat> Ok. I am an operator in #ubuntu-offtopic, as well as helping out in #ubuntu and a few other channels
[11:19] <czajkowski> o/
[11:20] <topyli> yay czajkowski
[11:20] <sagaci> hi funkyHat
[11:21] <funkyHat> I've also done various other things including bug reporting, some bug and FTBFS fixes (but not for quite a while as I've been extremely busy with real life™)
[11:22] <funkyHat> I also do quite a bit of ubuntu activism at uni, and did at college before that, as well as installing ubuntu and supporting it on friends' computers
[11:23] <jussi> funkyHat: so where do you see you main areas of contribution going forward?
[11:23] <funkyHat> The reason I've applied through the IRCC rather than an RMB or the DMB is I think most of my contribution has been IRC related
[11:25] <czajkowski> funkyHat: what areas would you like to see an imprivement on in the IRC world ?
[11:27] <funkyHat> Going forward I'd like to get more involved with the IRC team in general, I'd be happy to have +o in more channels if extra help is needed
[11:27] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[11:27] <funkyHat> I'm also interested, if time permits, in standing for the IRCC. But even if that doesn't happen I would still like to take more of an active role
[11:28] <czajkowski> funkyHat: and on the IRCC how do you think that group can help with ops and governance? have you thougt about that kinda thing? just curious
[11:29] <funkyHat> I think the main thing I'd like to see improved is the (real or percieved) level of beuracracy.
[11:30] <czajkowski> thanks.
[11:30] <czajkowski> I'm out of comments.
[11:30] <jussi> funkyHat: do you intend to continue your bug fixing work?
[11:33] <funkyHat> Yes. I am still hoping to, eventually, get upload rights through the DMB, but I think I won't get to that point for quite a while
[11:33] <jussi> right.
[11:33] <jussi> topyli: any comments or questions?
[11:33] <topyli> i was going to say i miss testimonials for your "real world" advocacy and help (i'm well aware of your irc contributions), but i understand that many of those people may not be the wiki-editor type
[11:34] <jussi> funkyHat: also, do you have anyone here who you want to "cheer" for you?
[11:34] <topyli> i do the same (fix people's windows computers by replacing the problem with ubuntu) and i know how happy the people are when everything goes well
[11:34] <LjL> I think it may be inferred from this talk that Matt can become the shy type when it comes to talking about himself, I'd extend that to actively looking for testimonials ;)
[11:35] <jussi> LjL: did you have any comments on matts behalf?
[11:35] <LjL> Matt didn't receive the IRC survey, so I asked him to help me with mine.
[11:36] <funkyHat> Yes I do find it quite difficult to talk about how amazing I am. My thought process mostly degenerates to talking about hats or food
[11:36] <LjL> I can say he has a fair bit more input than he managed to convey here
[11:36] <czajkowski> and I've seen funkyHat active in #ubuntu-uk helping folks.
[11:37] <LjL> Oh sure, he does help in other channels too. Overall I think he doesn't help *too much*, or do anything *too much*. I find that a plus, because I've often seen people getting "burn out" before time.
[11:37] <LjL> He is balanced.
[11:37] <jussi> right, topyli, vote time?
[11:38] <funkyHat> I was hoping h00k could make it too, but as he mentioned on my wiki page it would be 4:00am where he is
[11:38] <topyli> i'm happy enough to vote at this point, unless someone wants to add/ask something
[11:39] <topyli> #vote Accept funkyHat as member
[11:39] <meetingology> Please vote on: Accept funkyHat as member
[11:39] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[11:39] <jussi> +1
[11:39] <meetingology> +1 received from jussi
[11:39] <czajkowski> +1
[11:39] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[11:39] <topyli> +1
[11:39] <meetingology> +1 received from topyli
[11:39] <topyli> #endvote
[11:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Accept funkyHat as member
[11:39] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[11:39] <meetingology> Motion carried
[11:39] <jussi> congrats funkyHat
[11:39] <LjL> \o/
[11:39] <funkyHat> yaaaaaaayy ■▎⢁D
[11:39] <czajkowski> funkyHat: congrats
[11:39] <topyli> congratulations funkyHat, and thanks for applying
[11:39] <czajkowski> jussi: are there more folks today?
[11:39] <jussi> thanks czajkowski for stepping in.
[11:39] <funkyHat> Thank you
[11:39] <jussi> no
[11:40]  * funkyHat hugs everyone
[11:40] <czajkowski> jussi: grand I can go back to bed now
[11:40] <czajkowski> nn
[11:40] <jussi> nn
[11:40] <topyli> night czajkowski, thanks
[11:40] <czajkowski> np
[11:40] <LjL> goodnight
[11:40] <topyli> #topic Bugs
[11:40] <topyli> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council
[11:40] <topyli> no newo nes, are there?
[11:41] <topyli> we went through bugs last time: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCCouncil/TeamReports
[11:42] <jussi> nope.
[11:42] <jussi> oh wait
[11:43] <jussi> nah, I remember one. but it was bots.
[11:43] <topyli> for my own part, i have not emailed the IRCC list about https://launchpad.net/bugs/884671 . i have closed https://launchpad.net/bugs/883119
[11:44] <topyli> #action topyli to finally mail council about the operator recruitment process
[11:44] <meetingology> ACTION: topyli to finally mail council about the operator recruitment process
[11:44] <topyli> i think others are well in progress or stalled
[11:45] <LjL> It would help if Launchpad worked... :P
[11:45] <LjL> Guess maybe we overloaded it! It works again now.
[11:45] <topyli> ircc meeting effect
[11:46] <topyli> the guidelines bug should be un-stalled. let's advertise the draft again
[11:47] <jussi> topyli: +1 to that.
[11:48] <topyli> i can send mail to list when i'm doing email at some point
[11:48] <topyli> #action topyli to advertise guidelines draft on team ML
[11:48] <meetingology> ACTION: topyli to advertise guidelines draft on team ML
[11:49] <topyli> moving on?
[11:49] <jussi> yup
[11:49] <topyli> #topic Review last meeting's action items
[11:50] <topyli> i've decided against sending the #lubutu ops call. this council won't be able to handle it, especially thinking about probation and mentoring
[11:50] <topyli> so i'd leave it for the next one
[11:50] <jussi> Im in agreeance with that.
[11:50] <topyli> it's not urgent in any way
[11:51] <topyli> ok
[11:51] <topyli> #agreed defer lubuntu ops call to new council
[11:51] <topyli> #agree defer lubuntu ops call to new council
[11:52] <topyli> bah.
[11:52] <topyli> agreed :)
[11:52] <LjL> Is the bot supposed not to reply to PINGs?
[11:53] <topyli> no idea. i'm probably just using the wrong commands
[11:53] <LjL> The command is in the list, though. Maybe it's napping.
[11:53] <topyli> yeah
[11:53] <topyli> let's move on, undaunted!
[11:54] <topyli> #topic Change eir default behavior
[11:54] <topyli> pangolin: around?
[11:55] <jussi> I dont see any background info on the proposal page :/
[11:55] <elky> gah sorry, someone decided to play with a fire extinguisher, which means we all had to evacuate for the fun of it.
[11:55] <topyli> jussi: it's there at the bottom, but it doesn't look like he really has a clear idea what he wants
[11:56] <LjL> I have no idea what the proposal is about, but I'll mention it would be nice if eir ignored the floodbots, I guess. It could be the other way around, but I'm not sure that's the best idea... as eir would still go blah blah comment your ban please to the bots, and highlight what the bots do in the team channel.
[11:56] <topyli> elky: hi :)
[11:57] <topyli> elky: we're just wrapping up, no worries :)
[11:57] <topyli> LjL: that's true
[11:58] <oCean> his proposal is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal
[11:58] <elky> aw man, we made funkyHat a member? :P what *is* this world coming to? :P I turn my back for half a second and you do things like this :P
[11:58] <funkyHat> ❡⢁)
[11:58] <topyli> :)
[11:58] <oCean> Also, I'd like to go back in time just a bit to cheer for Funkeh, now it's just Congrats!
[11:59] <topyli> LjL: we'll see how that can be arranged, it would reduce noise, and there's no need to have the bots 'discuss' like that
[11:59] <LjL> topyli: yeah. If it can't be done, I'll make the FloodBots ignore eir instead.
[11:59] <topyli> aye
[12:00] <topyli> well, i'd like to just wrap up then
[12:00] <LjL> I have a misc. item, may I?
[12:00] <LjL> Not sure whether it's for the IRCC or CC meeting though.
[12:01] <topyli> try it and see :)
[12:01] <LjL> It's about the Ubuntu IRC Members team.
[12:01] <LjL> I'm not sure it was its intended behavior for people who are ops but not members to be unable to vote on things or receive IRC surveys or other stuff...?
[12:02] <jussi> ljl: read the description on the wiki about it?
[12:03] <LjL> jussi: you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Membership ?
[12:03] <jussi> but in anycase, I think Its a cc thing.
[12:03] <jussi> ljl, yeh.
[12:04] <topyli> well i'd like all ops to be able to vote for the ircc, but yes it's up to the CC
[12:04] <LjL> Uhm well, I'd just like to point out that it seemed backwards to send an IRC satisfaction survey to lots of people, excluding some ops.
[12:05] <topyli> indeed. we picked the irc members team as the audience, but that obviously wasn't a very good decision
[12:05] <LjL> Ok. Well I guess I'll bring it up with the CC later.
[12:06] <topyli> thanks
[12:06] <topyli> oh, and
[12:06] <topyli> #action topyli to ask if eir can be tweaked to ignore floodbots
[12:06] <meetingology> ACTION: topyli to ask if eir can be tweaked to ignore floodbots
[12:06] <topyli> other issues?
[12:07] <elky> nope
[12:07] <LjL> Thanks for taking the time to making that survey, in any case.
[12:08] <topyli> i still want to do a more proper analysis, but that's pending
[12:08] <topyli> #endmeeting
[12:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Dec 10 12:08:25 2011 UTC.
[12:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-10-11.13.moin.txt
[12:08] <topyli> thanks all, and congrats funkyHat :)
[12:09] <funkyHat> Thankyou ᗡ⢁
[12:09] <Unit193> So, next meeting is supposed to be the 25th, tath going to happen that day?
[12:09] <topyli> oh good point
[12:11] <topyli> we'll either reschedule or just cancel it, and inform
[12:11] <Unit193> Alright, thannks
[12:12] <topyli> i'll post the minutes once i get to doing them