[01:25] <Laney> loughborough...
[01:26] <Laney> for some reason the train stops for 10 minutes at every station
[01:28] <funkyHat> Train driver's probably speeding
[02:27] <Laney> made it
[05:10] <Imli> Hi can anybody help me?
[05:12] <Imli> I have problem with my huawei 3g USB on UBUNTU 11.04.It is not connecting
[08:38] <popey> morning all
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:55] <christel> good morning :)
[09:12] <AlanBell> morning all o/
[09:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:17] <christel> good morning AlanBell! :)
[09:17] <christel> annd MooDoo!
[09:19] <AlanBell> christel \o/
[09:19] <AlanBell> we had yummy food in the dark last night
[09:22] <AlanBell> czajkowski: hows things?
[09:24] <christel> we did indeed!
[09:24] <christel> i cant believe we had shark
[09:25] <AlanBell> with frikkin lasers on their heads
[09:26] <christel> hahaha yes!
[09:26] <christel> GOOD MORNING bigcalm[mob]
[09:27] <bigcalm[mob]> Ack, not so loud
[09:28] <popey> heh
[09:28] <popey> bigcalm[mob]: i think i found one of your houses on mc
[09:28] <bigcalm[mob]> Good morning christel :)
[09:28] <popey> bigcalm[mob]: on top of a hill with an unfinished garden
[09:29] <bigcalm[mob]> popey: that sounds like mine
[09:30] <bigcalm[mob]> I have to say, the T-Mobile reception isn't the best here
[09:31] <bigcalm[mob]> Good to see many of you last night :)
[09:32] <bigcalm[mob]> Though I didn't see any of you for awhile
[09:32] <popey> hah
[09:33] <christel> haha
[09:33] <christel> such a comedian! :p
[09:35] <bigcalm[mob]> Looks like christel just defused a bomb
[09:36] <christel> I AM AMAZING
[09:37] <bigcalm[mob]> Again with the shouting
[10:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:52] <jutnux> brobostigon: Howdy
[10:53] <brobostigon> hi jutnux
[11:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: meh, if I could have a new body for xmas I'd be happy
[11:36]  * christel gives czajkowski a christmas body
[11:37] <christel> (you now look like santa, sorry)
[11:37] <christel> <3
[11:37] <czajkowski> heh
[11:37] <czajkowski> back is giving me jib
[11:37] <czajkowski> but I do have a date for op in January
[11:38] <czajkowski> so if it could just behave till then I'd be happy
[11:40] <christel> oh good! when is it?
[11:40] <christel> good that you have a date, not that it's bothering you
[11:40] <christel> :)
[11:41] <czajkowski> 7th January they had a date for me next week but I fly the folowing week so not allowed
[11:48] <christel> aha
[11:49] <christel> :)
[11:55] <awilkins> New computer core :-)  to replace dying one :-(
[11:56] <awilkins> Ah well, I get to see what fuss is with these shiny new i7 CPUses
[12:07] <MarquessDeBonBon> You're replacing just one core?
[12:07] <MarquessDeBonBon> I hope you have a portable fab handy.
[12:21] <AlanBell> hi all
[12:22] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[12:22] <AlanBell> I am sat in front of my brother in law's computer and it is a bit broken
[12:22]  * BigRedS looks shifty
[12:22] <BigRedS> Er, I wouldn't know anything about that
[12:22] <AlanBell> won't boot at all, and the drive (with raid controller) is unhappy
[12:23] <AlanBell> won't create mount points in /dev apart from /dev/sda5
[12:23] <AlanBell> and sda5 is just swap
[12:23] <BigRedS> Surely it's booted more than not at all if you're as far as having /dev?
[12:24] <AlanBell> running from live CD now
[12:24] <BigRedS> ahh
[12:25] <BigRedS> presumably the raid is normally /dev/sda? And swap is on some second disk?
[12:25] <AlanBell> yeah
[12:25] <AlanBell> fdisk -l shows the partition table
[12:26] <BigRedS> I'd be tempted to run testdisk to see if it disagrees with fdisk, but by that point I've normally given up and given it to The Hardware Guy
[12:26] <AlanBell> the thing will boot to a grub menu with a list of kernels but the keyboard seems unresponsive at that point
[12:27] <AlanBell> yeah, it is a hardware issue, just want to get some data off
[12:28] <BigRedS> oooh, odd. There's not a lot else to try to see if the issue is the keyboard or the software at that point
[12:29] <AlanBell> doing a SMART test now, will see what that can do
[12:29] <AlanBell> keyboard works on a live CD, but PS2 mouse does not!
[12:30] <AlanBell> this thing is borked
[12:30] <AlanBell> the PS2 mouse has power to it, but I am having to navigate the desktop by keyboard (lucky I do a lot of orca testing)
[12:30] <BigRedS> I take it this isn't mdraid?
[12:31] <BigRedS> I've seen several complaints of poor/patchy PS/2 support in 11.10
[12:35] <AlanBell> 528 bad sectors :(
[12:37] <BigRedS> Oooh, not a good sign
[12:38] <BigRedS> ddrescue?
[12:39] <AlanBell> need another TB disk or something to rescue stuff to (if anything is left)
[12:41] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/765828
[12:42] <AlanBell> that is the kern.log
[12:42] <AlanBell> lots of media errors when trying to get partition information from sda
[12:42] <BigRedS> Yeah
[12:42] <Myrtti> does anyone have experience in configuring zsh?
[12:43] <BigRedS> Myrtti: I have a nifty prompt with teh time and everything. But I did that a few years ago and haven't touched it since
[12:46] <BigRedS> Myrtti: there's a script to get you started, I think you get prompted for it the first time you run zsh
[13:10] <jutnux>  Howdy everyone.
[13:21] <jacobw> good afternoon jutnux
[13:21] <jutnux> Hello jacobw, how are you on this fine saturday afternoon?
[13:23] <gordonjcp> afternoon all
[13:24] <MooDoo> hullo
[13:24] <brobostigon> helo
[13:25] <jutnux> Who has their openid setup?
[13:29] <jutnux> Bacon Sandwiches *drool*
[13:30] <StevenR> jutnux: *sniff*. Now I want bacon sandwiches.
[13:30] <jutnux> Unlucky, I have 4 of them sitting here ;)
[13:30] <jutnux> Oh yes, HP open sourced WebOS
[13:33] <StevenR> woo
[13:34] <BigRedS> openid? People set that up themselves?
[13:34] <jutnux> I set up one on symantec
[13:34] <jutnux> but Google is an openid right?
[13:34] <jutnux> along with linkedin
[13:34] <Darael> I tend to use my Launchpad one.
[13:35] <jutnux> Good idea, why didn't I think of that ._.
[13:35] <jacobw> i'm sure i have an openid
[13:35] <jacobw> somewhere..
[13:36] <Darael> Well, it's Ubuntu SSO, these days, of course, but I still think of it as Launchpad.
[13:36] <jacobw> yes
[13:37] <BigRedS> Oh, I thought you meant set it up on your server as your own openID provider
[13:37] <jutnux> No way, too much effort ;)
[13:37] <BigRedS> I've just been peripherally involved in setting that up for someone, and it seems that every implementation of it is broken
[13:39] <jutnux> I'd prefer to use something that wont go down
[13:40] <ali1234> google openid isn't great
[13:40] <jacobw> i'm relearning to touch type
[13:41] <jutnux> Jacobw: I've been able to touch type since I was 11. Bad times ensue when you setup your fingers wrong and you end end up typing something like shwhe ueicl rf;ls
[13:41] <jacobw> i've discovered that i've been doing it wrong for years, with my right fingers on 'hjkl' rather that 'jkl;'
[13:41] <jacobw> s/that/than
[13:42] <jutnux> I just use 3 fingers
[13:42] <jutnux> can still type 121wpm
[13:42] <jutnux> 3 fingers on each hand that os
[13:42] <jutnux> s/os/is
[13:43] <jacobw> so you don't use your little finger?
[13:43] <jutnux> No
[13:43] <jutnux> never
[13:43] <jutnux> Have no use for it lol
[13:43] <jutnux> My fingers move so swiftly as they're quite big
[13:44] <BigRedS> jacobw: that's really common - I spent a while off-by-one on both hands. I don't think I really do home-row style touch typing any more, though
[13:45] <BigRedS> I just do muscle-memory and inefficiency
[13:46] <jacobw> its an obvious mistake
[13:46] <jacobw> i blame vim
[13:46] <BigRedS> haha! yeah, I'd not thought of that
[13:47] <Darael> Well, to be fair, what kind of ridiculous person puts ; on the home row?
[13:47] <Darael> (disclaimer:  Programmer-Dvorak typist)
[13:47] <jacobw> a c programmer
[13:47] <BigRedS> c, perl, php programmers?
[13:47] <jacobw> yeah
[13:47] <BigRedS> and anything else that ends statements with ;
[13:47] <Darael> It's still not as common as the letters, though...
[13:47] <jutnux> Javaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[13:48] <jutnux> Pretty east to find out if you're a geek
[13:48] <jutnux> see how worn the ; key is, as not many people use it correctly anyway.
[13:48] <Darael> I would at least shift it one to the right, so it's not under the rest-position for the fingers.
[13:48] <BigRedS> I've never been able to look at line endings the same since my sister asked why I had all these crying faces - all those lines ending );
[13:48] <jacobw> hahaha
[13:49] <jutnux> HAHAHHAHAHA
[13:49] <jutnux> You've passed the curse on :-{
[13:49] <BigRedS> haha
[13:50] <Darael> Imagine what a Lisp programmer with commented code sees - winking-sad-face?  ";("
[13:50] <BigRedS> I've been pondering writing a source filter since, so I can end them with :) and it'll 'fix' them to ); but I think that might just _really_ confuse me
[13:51] <jutnux> Anyone here hack in java?
[13:52] <BigRedS> Hah. I had a go at Java once
[13:53] <jutnux> It is quite gooood
[13:53] <jacobw> i hate java
[13:53] <BigRedS> I needed to write about 40K before I could start solving the problem
[13:53] <Darael> jutnux: Someone probably does.  There are a hundred and nineteen nicks in here, after all, and only a /few/ of them are bots.
[13:53] <BigRedS> in Perl, I just need to write "#! /usr/bin/perl" and I can get on with it
[13:53] <jutnux> In java, I just have to open up eclipse ;)
[13:54] <Darael> On the other hand, BigRedS, some languages have tentacles, but Perl /is/ tentacles.
[13:54] <BigRedS> I'm sure it has its plus points, but I'm not patient enough for it :)
[13:54] <jacobw> that's why i hate java
[13:54] <jutnux> I like Python too
[13:54] <jutnux> When I was 9 I made a notepad app in VB.net
[13:54] <jutnux> Too cool.
[13:54] <BigRedS> Darael: I'm still not sure whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that Perl always seems to do _exactly_ what I meant.
[13:54] <Darael> Ew, VB.net.
[13:54] <jutnux> I was 9 :-(
[13:54] <BigRedS> It implies a good deal of wrongness in my head...
[13:55] <Darael> BigRedS: Worrying.  Functioning DWIM is not supposed to have been implemented yet.
[13:55] <BigRedS> Haha, I know! It's going to catch me out one day, I'm sure
[13:55] <Darael> jutnux: Oh, fair enough.  No negative reflection on thee, then.  But still, ew, VB.net.
[13:55] <jutnux> Yes, it is disgusting.
[13:56] <BigRedS> is vb.net markedly different to vb?
[13:56] <BigRedS> not that ever saw much of that, either
[13:57] <jacobw> BigRedS: i have the same 'problem' with perl
[13:57] <jutnux> Never used Perl.
[13:57] <BigRedS> jacobw: it's a bit embarrasing talking about it to non-perl people, I find
[13:58] <jacobw> i would have said 'normal people' but 'non-perl people' works too
[13:58] <BigRedS> haha
[13:58] <penguin42> BigRedS: Now you're actually supposed to use env aren't you rather than #!/usr/bin/perl ?
[13:59] <BigRedS> penguin42: arguably, yeah. But I've never had /usr/bin/perl not work, though we do still have some machines without a working env...
[14:00] <penguin42> ah
[14:00] <Darael> Not to mention if there's more than one version of the interpreter in question installed, using env can result in the wrong one launching.
[14:02] <BigRedS> well, you get that with this, too. It's just more predictable which potentially wrong one you get
[14:03] <Darael> True.
[14:05] <BigRedS> Ooh. They finished painting the Forth Bridge
[14:15] <SuprEngr> BigRedS, not once the wives find out they haven't ;)
[14:44] <jacobw> does anyone know who the interviewee on bbc news is?
[14:44] <jacobw> right now
[14:45] <brobostigon> jacobw: razia iqbal ?
[14:45] <brobostigon> justin cartwright.
[14:45] <jacobw> yes
[14:45] <jacobw> thank you :)
[14:45] <brobostigon> :)
[14:46] <brobostigon> jacobw: i simply pressed my red button, and it popped up all the info.
[15:08] <MooDoo> well i've moved my works desktop machine from Fedora to Ubuntu....:S
[15:29] <jutnux> BigRedS: Just programming and I keep seeing sad faces :'(
[15:30] <penguin42> not this unhappy lemur? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16125673
[15:31] <BigRedS> jutnux: haha! Sorry about that
[15:31] <BigRedS> jutnux: I ended up subconciously avoiding them and getting syntax errors all over the shop :/
[15:51] <Azelphur> How on earth can ifconfig return...nothing?
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: if no intefaces are up
[15:53] <Darael> Something took all of them including lo down?
[15:54] <Azelphur> ifconfig -a shows stuff
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also, use "ip link" and "ip addr", not ifconfig
[15:54] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> ip > ifconfig
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> iw > iwconfig
[15:54] <Azelphur> guess I'll try rebooting it and see if that fixes it, weird.
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> the Windows solution!
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you could just ifup -a
[15:54] <Azelphur> INDEED
[15:56] <Azelphur> http://geek-news.mtv.com/2011/12/08/mojang-and-lego-team-up-for-minecraft-lego-sets/
[15:56] <Azelphur> omg...want
[15:57]  * penguin42 had noticed a lot of Lego branded things this year - I think they had a book and a board game
[16:14] <jutnux> Anyone seen the lego tree?
[16:14] <jutnux> In Birmingham I think it is
[16:29] <Laney> evening all
[16:30] <MooDoo> hiya Laney
[16:30] <Laney> alright MooDoo
[16:30] <Laney> just got back from town
[16:30] <Laney> rather busy!
[16:32] <jutnux> Do anything fun Laney?
[16:32] <Laney> purchased 1 christmas present
[16:32] <penguin42> a penguin?
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> the lindsay lohan issue?
[16:35] <Laney> http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5062/75670/?ba=EmperorBevis
[16:51] <christel> Laney! you made it home then? :)
[16:51] <Laney> hah! eventually
[16:51] <Laney> slowest... train... ever...
[16:51] <christel> hehe
[16:52] <Laney> did you stay much longer?
[17:01] <christel> not much longer, we left on the 23.23 from waterloo
[17:01] <christel> :)
[17:05] <Laney> sweet
[17:24] <Azelphur> lol at this site, http://www.youhavedownloaded.com
[17:25] <Azelphur> It tells me that I'm using a private tracker or may not torrent at all, which is the polar opposite of the truth :P
[17:25] <Azelphur> also, 192.168.1.1 seems to do a lot of piracy.
[17:26] <Darael> Azelphur: Doesn't have any records on me, either.
[17:26] <Azelphur> lol
[17:26] <Azelphur> Darael: it's funny because I perform multiple downloads on public trackers on a daily basis.
[17:26] <mgdm> I didn't know there were that many Linux distros around!
[17:26] <Azelphur> Indeed!
[17:27] <Darael> Yes, I torrent a reasonable amount, too (though not as much as thee, Azelphur!).
[17:27] <Azelphur> if you put 192.168.1.1 into the search box it comes up with lots of evil stuff 192.168.1.1 has done
[17:27] <Azelphur> xD
[17:27] <Darael> That's interesting, considering that there's usually only a router on that address.
[17:28] <Azelphur> 192.168.1.2 and .3 are misbehaving too
[17:28] <Darael> That, I would expect.
[17:28] <Azelphur> seems like most of the block too, haha
[17:28] <Darael> Ditto 192.168.{0,2}.*
[17:29] <Darael> Funny, that.
[17:29] <Azelphur> indeed, gotta wonder if it's catching their internal network haha
[17:29] <Darael> I wonder how it's getting the IP addresses to attribute downloads to.
[17:32] <Azelphur> Darael: It looks like it's hosted inside godaddy, perhaps it's picking up all the piracy that goes on inside godaddy xD
[17:32] <Darael> Azelphur: Heh.
[17:50] <jutnux> I want a deadmau5 mask :-(
[17:58] <christel> deadmau5 <3
[17:58] <jutnux> I'm more of a metal guy myself
[17:58] <jutnux> but deadmau5 is good
[17:58] <christel> :)
[18:30] <Azelphur> does anyone know a decent place that sells nice heavily customizable laptops like this http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-15416-laptops-ct-95_51_149.html
[18:30] <Azelphur> but in the UK
[18:46] <penguin42> only alienware
[18:58] <Azelphur> :(
[19:09] <Azelphur> alienware charges like 2x as much as xotipc :(
[19:10] <ali1234> Azelphur: most likely they only scan the most popular torrents
[19:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: :P
[19:11] <ali1234> so if you don't download jersey shore or whatever, then they won't see you
[19:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: *shrug* I pretty much do that, haha
[19:14] <ali1234> actually i'm starting to think the site is a pure scam
[19:14] <ali1234> can anyone confirm that it's at all accurate?
[19:16] <Azelphur> none of my friends have had any sane results off it
[19:20] <gord> the way they do it is the same way they do anything else, they just connect to torrents they get from various sites/feeds and grab the ips of everyone else in the swarm - it picked up some japanese tv shows i downloaded once
[19:20] <gord> which is specific enough if you ask me
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> yeah, only one person in the UK downloads hentai
[19:23] <gord> kaKaizoku Sentai Gokaiger actually... japanese power rangers. shut up, its great and you can't get it anywhere in the west >:(
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: :) Just trolling, sorry
[19:52] <jutnux> Cypher out of the matrix?
[19:53] <jutnux> ;)
[19:53] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:53] <jutnux> Howdy bigcalm
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:02] <jutnux> My school has started using memes
[20:03] <jutnux> "Bins weren't cool *baby face* until I started using them"
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> jutnux: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-best-of-the-college-freshman-meme ?
[20:03] <jutnux> Nope I'm British
[20:03] <jutnux> And in a High School
[20:24] <jacobw> jutnux: how does one 'start using memes'?
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> how does one not use memes
[20:25] <jutnux> jacobw: They started putting them on bins, on walls everything.
[20:25] <jutnux> Theyre using QR codes yet we aren't allowed phones.
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> in my day, we decode qr codes with a slide rule and LIKED it
[20:27] <jacobw> hehe
[20:29] <jacobw> i'm confused by the use of 'meme' to refer to an object
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> I think he means pictures
[20:29] <jacobw> memes are a concept
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> like from quickmeme
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> or rage comics
[20:29] <jacobw> oh, i see
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35c6do/
[20:32] <SuprEngr> A meme a day keeps the boredom away!
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> use ALL the memes
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> (or at least alot of memes)
[20:32] <jutnux> I was a lover of memes, until I got an arrow through the knee.
[20:34] <SuprEngr> I was a lover of knees, until I got an meme through the arrow.
[20:34] <jutnux> ;)
[20:35] <jutnux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5MA685ApE&feature=youtu.be
[20:46] <BigRedS> I've never unsterstood the idea of obscuring the bit that the camera is focusing on
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> must be a german thing
[20:46] <jutnux> Must have private details or something
[20:46] <jutnux> When they are looking at the PDa that is
[20:47] <BigRedS> yeah, I'd have just thought that if you want to video it, you just tape over it
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> black bar it
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> or something
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> not the entire centre of the video
[20:47] <jutnux> Too much effort I guess?
[20:47] <jutnux> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/italian-rock-band-release-album-recorded-using-ubuntu/
[21:59] <Guest62342> Hi all.  I've just cloned my main disk to my spare... how do I now get my machine to boot from sdb instead of sda?
[22:01] <Darael> Reorder the disks in the BIOS?
[22:02] <Darael> Bear in mind that the disk that was formerly sdb will, IIRC, be reported as SDA when one boots from it.
[22:02] <Guest62342> Thanks, I did change to HDD boot priority but it's still running off the original :-(
[22:03] <Guest62342> Maybe I'll have to swap the jumpers over on the disks?
[22:04] <gordonjcp> Darael: o_O
[22:05] <gordonjcp> Darael: doesn't that rather depend on the order in which it detects the physical disks?
[22:05] <Darael> One would think so.  I'm going off hazy memory of my last multi-disk multiboot scenario rather than logic.
[22:05] <jutnux> Cashew nuts are so nice jeeeeeze
[22:07] <Guest62342> I'll revisit BIOS again... just in case. If it's still booting from the Seagate I'll swap jumper to get the WD as Primary Master... I'll be back :-)
[22:34] <mikeatvillage> Darael: Eventually got my machine to boot off sdb by making it the first HDD in boot priority and sda as third !
[22:35] <Darael> mikeatvillage: Interesting.
[22:35] <mikeatvillage> darael: more like weird :-)
[22:35] <Darael> That too :)
[22:36] <mikeatvillage> darael: Thanks for your help
[22:37] <Darael> It wasn't particularly helpful help, I'm afraid.  However.