[00:20] <zacarias> how do you configure xubuntu so that Ctrl+F makes a "find"?
[00:22] <holstein> zacarias: i would probably install something like kupfer, and set the binding to control F
[00:22] <holstein> that'll find whatever you want to configure it to find
[00:23] <holstein> you can determine what it is you want "find" to be, and just set that as a keybinding
[00:24] <zacarias> holstein: ok, I'll try your suggestion.
[00:38]  * xGrind is back (gone 02:00:26)
[00:41] <gnu_lorien> Is there any way to enable ctrl alt backspace to work in xfce? I tried the setxkbmap options here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/X/Config/DontZap and they didn't work
[00:43] <gnu_lorien> I'm using Xubuntu 11.10
[00:53] <holstein> gnu_lorien: what do you want it to do?
[00:54] <gnu_lorien> holstein, I want it to kill whatever X session I'm in when I press those buttons.
[00:55] <holstein> i usually just tty, and kill what i need
[00:56] <gnu_lorien> I do that now too, but I'm pretty angry that every new version of Xubuntu has made it harder and harder to give me the quick kill I need. This game keeps misbehaving and sometimes I have to reboot the whole system because of how resources are being eaten while I switch to tty
[00:56] <holstein> gnu_lorien: i think this will get you further http://askubuntu.com/questions/10622/how-can-i-enable-ctrlaltbackspace
[00:57] <holstein> however, i think dontzap was taking out of 11.10
[00:57] <holstein> taken*
[00:58] <gnu_lorien> It was. The xfce keyboard dialog doesn't have any of those options...
[01:00] <holstein> you could try something crazy like installing it from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dontzap/0.1.2/+build/879781
[01:02] <gnu_lorien> I don't know who got it into their head six or seven years ago that the Linux desktop needed to suck and started turning off CtrlAltBackspace, but I hate them for ruining my OS.
[01:04] <Paimun> and even after you switch to tty
[01:04] <Paimun> the system is too frozen to do anything
[01:05] <Paimun> of course there's always the magic sysrq key!
[01:05]  * xGrind is away: Estou ocupado
[01:06] <holstein> thats happening upstream though.. there must be something else that you are supposed to do
[01:06] <Paimun> when you say dontzap was taken out, do you mean you just can't set it at all anymore?
[01:06] <Paimun> if so that's pretty dumb
[01:07] <holstein> i mean, its open right?
[01:07] <holstein> you can build it
[01:07] <Paimun> well yeah
[01:07] <holstein> and compile your own kernel
[01:07] <holstein> its never *gone*
[01:07] <holstein> its just not in upstream debian anymore for some reason
[01:07] <holstein> and we dont have it either
[01:07] <Paimun> it's a lot more work than I really want to do just to enable c+a+b however
[01:07] <holstein> and i dont see a PPA, so i bet theres a good reason
[01:07] <holstein> or replacement
[01:07] <holstein> Paimun: but thats what im proposing
[01:08] <gnu_lorien> Did I miss anything important? I dropped out to change to Gnome and change those keyboard settings. Setting it in that didn't actually enable ctrlaltbackspace. I restarted Xorg and it still doesn't work.
[01:08] <holstein> i bet we dont enable C+A+B anymore... i bet there is an alternative
[01:08] <holstein> gnu_lorien: i was commenting about how it has been taken out upstream, and im wondering what is expected to do instead
[01:09] <gnu_lorien> holstein: My experience tonight has been that it just doesn't work. I've set every option anybody refers to and it still doesn't work.
[01:09] <holstein> gnu_lorien: right, its changed... thats what im saying
[01:09] <v3ritas> Sorry to bother with this question, but is there a tutorial anywhere on getting NAS working in Xubuntu? I've gotten access to it with Gigolo but i cant read or modify anything unless i copy to my main drive, edit, & copy back
[01:10] <gnu_lorien> holstein: alt + sysrq + k seems to work okay. I'll try to change to that in my mind.
[01:10] <holstein> gnu_lorien: i wish i knew the background about why that changed.. maybe ill ask aournd in a -dev channel and see
[01:11] <holstein> v3ritas: what kind of shares?... i connect to ssh shares, but samba is a big one too
[01:11] <holstein> i think you'd need to narrow down what you want to share, and how, and then you can find guides.. ssh guides... samba guides..
[01:12] <gnu_lorien> holstein: Thanks for your help
[01:13] <holstein> gnu_lorien: sure... believe me, i understand the frustration when things change on you
[01:13] <v3ritas> holstein: Forgot to include that, was either looking at samba or ftp which both let me access, but not view or modify content
[01:14] <holstein> v3ritas: i find ssh easy from linux to linux...
[01:14] <holstein> you have user rights in that case
[01:15] <v3ritas> holstein: okay, i'll take a look at that instead. I think the permissions is my problem anyway so that sounds like a better route
[01:15] <holstein> samba always made me sad setting permissions, but it can be done
[01:15] <holstein> i dont think FTP is the way to do what you are trying to do
[01:16] <v3ritas> only reason i asked was because i knew it worked that way pre-11.10, then i bounced around a couple distros before coming back & that's when i was no longer able to view content
[01:16] <holstein> v3ritas: in samba?
[01:16] <holstein> depends on the permissions, like you say
[01:18] <v3ritas> yeah, i was looking into modifying them but i ran into a wall with configuration. In the past it always just worked OTB so i was kinda sorting thru which part was giving me the problems: the media player, my permissions, or the type of connection
[01:38]  * xGrind is back (gone 00:32:52)
[04:06] <maxineb> i get system lock ups with wireless on (if ethernet not plugged in, so when used?) with brcmsmac and wl, blacklists appropriate whichever is in use, etc. it's a kernel panic and i cant get a dump (or alt sysreq reisub)
[04:08] <maxineb> http://fpaste.org/JIw5/
[04:21] <holstein> maxineb: if it were me, i would probably use some live CD's and see if theres a kernel that has support built in
[04:22] <holstein> then, i would consider just using that kernel
[04:22] <maxineb> well none do, kernel comes with brcmsmac which doesn't work with this particular piece of crap card, though broadcom-sta works on deb squeeze
[04:23] <holstein> maxineb: also, these days hardware is so cheap, getting supported hardware is an option
[04:23] <maxineb> kinda wish things such as wlan card manufacturer would be mentionned on the box and etc :P
[04:24] <holstein> maxineb: you tried the windows drivers with ndis?
[04:24] <maxineb> no
[04:24] <holstein> theres a GUI for it now... its quite easy
[04:25] <holstein> ndisgtk? something like that
[04:25] <maxineb> too tainted
[04:26] <holstein> maxineb: ?
[04:26] <holstein> ndis?
[04:27] <maxineb> also tried the wl in debian's repos, same thing. i suspect a kernel problem anyway
[04:32] <holstein> maxineb: you wont try the windows driver?
[04:42] <maxineb> same thing
[04:42] <maxineb> (also apparently only wl actually works for this thing)
[04:43] <maxineb> ill try with the stable 3.1.X kernel later
[05:46] <DaDaDosPrompt> Hello. Has anyone had troubles with any recent updates to lightdm or the unity-greeter?
[05:53] <DaDaDosPrompt> http://9.tc/~murb/images/bootchart111209.gif I ask because my system is behaving rather strangely at the point in boot where the greeter would usually appear. it blinks the monitors for a while before dumping me into what appears to be the last vestiges of plymouth
[05:59] <zus> hello
[06:02] <zus> i've set up a group for wireshark, to run it as a regular user, and i still cant get it to see my interfaces. is there something i missed that some one  else has dealt wit
[06:03] <DaDaDosPrompt> hmm
[06:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> how are you starting it?
[06:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> from the icon?
[06:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> or from the terminal?
[06:04] <zus> from menu
[06:04] <zus> terminal is the same thing, just tried it
[06:05] <DaDaDosPrompt> did you sudo it from the terminal?
[06:05] <DaDaDosPrompt> I believe you must do that, otherwise you don't have privileges for the device files for the interfaces
[06:06] <zus> let me try sudo, i know if i log in as root it works, but im trying to  avoid that
[06:07] <DaDaDosPrompt> there may be some kind of modification you can do to avoid the need for root privilege to get a successful shark
[06:08] <DaDaDosPrompt> but I've only set up something like that on an OS X machine, which was quite a strange process
[06:08] <zus> with sudo it works. then again as per the read me  runiing it as a regular user, and using root to analyze the packets ..
[06:08] <zus> is the recommended way, even though it installs by default that root is needed for both
[06:14] <zus> hmm i even dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common and changed it so no su can capture packets.
[06:43] <zus> has anyone got wireshark to run as a regular user?
[07:09] <zus> ill try later, GN all
[08:25] <bigbrovar|> .
[08:27] <baizon> ,
[09:18] <smk> dsa
[09:18] <smk> hello where
[11:19] <sebx> I have the strange problem that chromium gets started with xubuntu every boot. I've disable the "run in backround" setting in Chrome and I've checked the startup applications. What else could it be? Ty
[12:35] <xubuntu225> arriba españa
[12:35] <xubuntu225> viva franco
[13:37] <zus> what do i need on xubuntu to play dvd's? (encrypted ones as well)
[13:37] <zus> xubuntu restricted extras are already installed!
[13:39] <hobgoblin> zus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[13:39] <zus> checking  it out brb
[13:43] <zus> will this also work for the latest release on 64bit?
[13:44] <zus> bah its already the newest version....
[13:47] <hobgoblin> should be the right version - but I've not used it myself - don't play dvd's on pc's
[13:48] <zus> hmm. one day,.... things will just no longer  have to be an issue.
[13:51] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:05] <zus> any update on the weather applet? has it got fixed yet?
[14:19] <zus> sigh.... dkms.conf: Error! No 'BUILT_MODULE_NAME' directive specified for record #0 Error! Bad conf file  does not represent a valid dkms.conf file.   -- any one  else get this after an update?
[14:30] <zus> has anyone got encrypted dvd's working on 1.10 xubuntu?
[14:33] <JoshD> 11.10?
[14:34] <zus> yeah
[14:34] <babble> zus: I do, with libraries from medibuntu
[14:34] <babble> sec, I'm updating
[14:34] <JoshD> I don't think so.
[14:34] <babble> I'll get the exact packages for you
[14:35] <zus> libdvdcss2 or something? i have the restricted extras installed, even.
[14:35] <babble> libdvdcss2 from medibuntu works in 11.10
[14:35] <babble> repo instructions for medibuntu are here: http://medibuntu.org/repository.php
[14:36] <babble> restricted extras are just patent encumbered things like MP3 and MPEG-4 codecs (de-css is a different kettle of legal fish, I think)
[14:38] <zus> ok ill brb reading the  lnks
[14:38] <zus> link
[14:44] <zus> ok, ill wait for this current download to finish, thanks for the link babble
[14:44] <babble> zus: if you're still stuck, come back
[14:44] <babble> I may be missing an extra, but I don't think so
[14:45] <zus> so far all ive  played and watched  worked, except this dvd i bought...
[14:48] <zus> brb,
[15:16] <zus> babble,  sorry for the  delay, i had to finish a download, that was in progress,... the medibuntu bit worked out... its playing in VLC and in parole media player... thanks
[16:00] <Reklan> afternoon all
[16:01] <Reklan> a quick question if anyone can help, I have just installed xubuntu 11.10 and they software centre is only showing 2515 items available.. On 11.04 I'm sure I could access over 30,000
[16:02] <hobgoblin> chek which repos you have enabled in software sources - update/relaod and have another look
[16:04] <Reklan> ahh cheers, only showing Canonical and Independant  in the other software tab..
[16:05]  * hobgoblin has a quick look here
[16:06] <hobgoblin> same here other than I don't have partners but do have some ppa's -= what about the first tab - I got all except source code
[16:06] <Reklan> same here..
[16:06] <hobgoblin> might just need a reload and then look in software centre then
[16:07] <hobgoblin> but tbh - I never use usc - I prefer cli or synaptic
[16:07] <hobgoblin> sudo apt-get update in a terminal
[16:08] <Reklan> cheers its doing alot of updating now..
[16:11] <hobgoblin> Reklan: k - hope fully that should do it
[16:11] <Reklan> thx hobgoblin, that did the trick....
[16:12] <Reklan> got 36150 item again..
[16:12] <bigbrovar|> Reklan: same here  ucs tend to bring in more bloats than required
[16:13] <hobgoblin> bigbrovar|: it should have exactly the same things available as anything else afaik
[16:13] <hobgoblin> I just find it ridiculously slow
[16:15] <Reklan> i must admit I actually use it for my kids.. weening them on to Linux, and find thats better for them rather than synaptic
[16:15] <hobgoblin> good use of it I guess :)
[16:16] <bigbrovar|> It does just a tend to install lots of recommendations by default
[16:16] <hobgoblin> personally I think it sums up ubuntu of late - a triumph of form over function :p
[16:16] <hobgoblin> yea - I don't think you can stop it installing those
[16:16] <bigbrovar|> I once installed an app which pulled in nautilus without me knowing
[16:16] <Reklan> true... :-)
[16:16] <bigbrovar|> Till t
[16:17] <hobgoblin> bigbrovar|: that was nice then ...
[16:17] <bigbrovar|> Till date I don't know which app that was.. Not didn't even know it was installed I saw it by chance
[16:18] <bigbrovar|> So I always use -R with aptitude or use synaptic which shows me what is going to be installed allowing me to remove what I don't need
[16:18] <hobgoblin> I installed alacarte and forgot to mark no recommends ... glad I noticed the list before I hit go
[16:18] <hobgoblin> at least I think it was alacarte
[16:19] <bigbrovar|> Lol
[16:19] <bigbrovar|> Yeah
[16:19] <bigbrovar|> I think in my case what I installed didn't require nautilus
[16:20] <bigbrovar|> Though nautilus and gnome archive manager were both installed
[16:20] <Reklan> lol  believe it or not .. I'm actually installing Nautilus as we speak
[16:21] <babble> there are a slew of gnome dependencies that get installed with the oddest things (Alacarte (menu editor) is a typical culprit)
[16:21] <hobgoblin> :p
[16:21] <hobgoblin> babble: indeed - caught on quick did hobgoblin
[16:22] <babble> the thing is, I haven't a clue why Nautilus - for example - is a dependency for *Alacarte*
[16:22] <babble> it's always likely that there's stuff going on I'm missing, but I just don't get it
[16:22] <hobgoblin> it's probably a dependency of a dependency
[16:22] <Reklan> doe anyone know if Thunar will be getting network support in the future, so that it can access network shares easily?
[16:22] <babble> then why would it let me UNinstall Nautilus afterward?
[16:23] <babble> it's just odd. hehe.
[16:23] <hobgoblin> no idea
[16:24] <babble> Reklan: I've got a set of usual network mounts that I keep in a folder as URL shortcuts (those open in Thunar if Thunar is set as your default file manager)
[16:24] <hobgoblin> gnome-panel is the dependency of alacarte, the list of dependencies for gnome-panel is rather long :)
[16:24] <babble> eech. I'm gonna have to clean install my system.
[16:24] <babble> <- fond of cruft, apparently.
[16:24] <babble> heh
[16:25] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:25] <Reklan> cheers for the help guys.. time to pick the wife up.. have fun
[16:25] <hobgoblin> cya
[16:28] <babble> woot! the spotify linux preview updated?
[16:28] <babble> huzzah. one less reason to use Winders.
[16:28] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:32] <babble> sigh. I really shouldn't be using Spotify as little as they end up paying to artists, but...
[16:32] <babble> I do lurves me some spotify.
[16:33] <Sysi> only way to get money to artists is donating or going to gigs
[16:33] <babble> Sysi: oh, I know typical record deals are hideous.
[16:33] <babble> I just feel. hm. strange? strange, I guess, helping the situation along with things like Spotify
[16:34] <Sysi> building own music streaming service is kinda dumb when you can get it cheap from somebody, legally
[16:34] <babble> I know it's legal.
[16:34] <babble> it's just.
[16:34] <babble> in my better world, artists would be paid better
[16:34] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:38] <teknoduke> i have troubles with volume control
[16:39] <teknoduke> i cant get the max volume xubuntu block it and mute the output
[17:04] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Hello folks, I wanted to ask a question about dual monitors. I have arandr installed as a GUI, and I want to use the HDMI TV I have hooked up as an extended desktop, not a clone of the display on the laptop.
[17:05] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> What's the exact thing I need to place in either the laptop of HDMI script to make this happen?
[17:05] <knome> i'm not familiar with the arandr gui, but with xrandr, it's something like --left-of
[17:07] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> arandr just presents similar options as in the Display preferences and has a textbox for each active display, so it's somewhat user friendly.
[17:07] <Sysi> you can export scripts with arandr
[17:08] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> But I will look that up with what litttle confirmation I got.
[17:09] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Rather, excuse Me...
[17:09] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> arandr has a textarea field come up to edit the script for stuff like this.
[17:10] <Sysi> AFAIK it should just export scripts with settings you've done with GUI
[17:11] <jubo2> I loved how Xubuntu had the bootable USB stick maker pre-installed under "system tools" urr thereabouts
[17:12] <jubo2> and it autodetected the .iso file as well as the stick ..
[17:12] <jubo2> What was up with running upgrades disabled the thing that looks like the Scale-plugin for Compiz ( which I did not get to work properly on Xubuntu
[17:13] <jubo2> so I'm on Kubuntu ktnxbai
[17:14] <Sysi> glad you find something suitable for your needs
[17:16] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> I found My answer.
[17:16] <jubo2> Sysi: I cannot has suspend / hibernate immediatelly after hitting the power button once .. I want the best of Xubuntu and best of Kubuntu and best of GNOME put into one OS and a lot of anti-bug work put into it..
[17:17] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto --right-of LVDS1
[17:17] <jubo2> there are varying levels of copying Mapple Computer Products Corporation copying goin
[17:17] <jubo2> '... on in teh Linuxen
[17:18] <Myrtti> that makes limited amount of sense
[17:18] <jubo2> Sysi: I've run into bizarre bugs latestly ..
[17:18] <Sysi> jubo2: you could try debian, spend some time setting kde the way you want if xfce lacks something
[17:18] <Sysi> or just ubuntu LTS
[17:19] <jubo2> Sysi: I have serious problems like the OS ( the Xubuntu ) doesn't know how to put wlan shared secrets into a keyring properly
[17:19] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> jubo2: You're using Linux. Bizarre bugs is the name of the game brah!
[17:19] <jubo2> and it's stopped asking passwd for system modifications.. what's up with that ..?
[17:20] <jubo2> and ( this bug also on Kubuntu ) - No soundz in irczorz
[17:20] <Sysi> gksudo remembers authenticarion for fifteen minutes IIRC
[17:20] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Useability thing for people who log into their PC automatically, yet not know their password.
[17:20] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> I guess...
[17:20] <Sysi> *authentication
[17:20] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> the update manager nver asks me for a pass on Ubuntu anymore, but this behavior exists still in XFCE.
[17:21] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> never*
[17:21] <jubo2> Quassel - hit F7 ( preferences ) - The sounds and bubbles are supposed to be on but they're not .. pre-listening listen plays ok, no sound for !stalk match
[17:22] <Sysi> #kubuntu knows kde/qt apps better
[17:24] <jubo2> Why do the translators lie intentionally, why systems downgrade themselves ?
[17:24] <jubo2> Why couldn't you have just one linux flavour that was really bug free and free ?
[17:25] <Sysi> because people have different opinions
[17:25] <jubo2> I chose Xubuntu originally because I wanted to be out of the KDE / Gnome axel
[17:25] <Sysi> you really should try something outside ubuntu
[17:26] <Sysi> I was about a year with fedora when xubuntu had problems with nvidia
[17:26] <jubo2> Sysi: well [[Linux Mint]] has Compiz pre-installed and enabled
[17:26] <jubo2> so that would seem a savvy choice
[17:26] <jubo2> comes in debian and ubuntu flavours
[17:26] <Sysi> it's ugly ripoff of ubuntu with weird setup and licensing problem, but go ahead and try
[17:27] <jubo2> hey, they have Lxde, that's same WM as Xubuntu
[17:27] <Sysi> no, lxde uses openbox, not xfwm4
[17:27] <jubo2> Sysi: so basically go for debian and forget the other linuxen flavours..
[17:28] <jubo2> I'm not that techie
[17:28] <jubo2> I just want something that is easy to use, intuitive and has reawwy reawwy reawwy little bugs
[17:28] <Sysi> debian has problems too, but it's probably most bug free out there
[17:29] <Sysi> talking about stable release of course
[17:29] <jubo2> On Xubuntu I cannot raise all 4 shells with one action. that's a minus.
[17:30] <jubo2> I have to click quatrice
[17:30] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> arandr is awesome,. and I am stupid.
[17:30] <jubo2> "Bu hao" as they would say in China ..
[17:31] <pleia2> jubo2: this is a support channel for xubuntu, if another distro works better for you then you should use it
[17:31] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> All I had to do with arandr was drag the screen labelled HDMI1 to the right of LVDS1
[17:31] <Sysi> obvious things can be so troublesome
[17:40] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> jubo2: Let's get something straight right away.
[17:41] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> *buntu is not about stability. *buntu is about having the latest in "Innovative" Linux programming.
[17:41] <jubo2> I thought it was user comfort level
[17:41] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> If you want stability, then balls to *buntu, go with Debian and configure your own environment like a man. :P
[17:42] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Or, something else that uses RPM or YUM.
[17:43] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Or better yet, want stability? Give TinyCore a try. Then you only have a minimal GUI and have to configure most of everything by hand! P
[17:43] <jubo2> So Ubuntu is about user comfort candy ?
[17:43] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Hey, least it's 50MB after install. :P
[17:43] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Yeah, pretty much. Give the user an environment, make t pretty, balls to stability.
[17:44] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> it*
[17:44] <GridCube> !offtopic
[17:45] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Sorry there GridCube, He wanted an answer to a question regarding *buntu distros in general.
[17:45]  * ThereIsOnlyXUL smiles
[17:46] <GridCube> still not support question
[17:46] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Understood.
[17:46] <GridCube> :)
[17:47] <GridCube> invite him to offtopic and discuss all what you want :D
[19:23] <w30> How can I make Parole play .swf files (Shock Wave)?
[19:27] <well_laid_lawn> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:28] <lumio> hello everybody :D I got a liiiittle problem :D I only have a bluetooth mouse and there alreade popped a little box that asks me if I want to allow my mouse to be connected with my computer... "Always accept, Accept, ...." ... unfortunately... I can't click it :P
[19:28] <lumio> does anyone know how to navigate with my keyboard?
[19:28] <holstein> lumio: plug in another mouse? tab to the button and hit enter?
[19:29] <lumio> hm... then I have to search for another mouse :/
[19:29] <lumio> is there no way to be able to use my keyboard?
[19:29] <holstein> OR, try hitting the tab key, and hitting the enter key when you have the button you want to 'click' selected
[19:30] <lumio> is there a keyboard shortcut for opening the system menu?
[19:31] <holstein> these super key, then you can use the arrows, and the enter key, and the tab key
[19:31] <holstein> alt+F2 and run what you want
[19:31] <lumio> ok... how is the system-tools in xubuntu called?
[19:32] <holstein> i would just navigate where you want from the menu
[19:33] <w30> well_laid_lawn, I have restricted addons but not extras, maybe that's the trouble. I will get the extras. Thank you well_laid_lawn
[19:33] <well_laid_lawn> cheers w30
[19:36] <w30> well_laid_lawn, nope, that didn't work. Firefox works though. hmmm......
[19:36] <well_laid_lawn> I use mplayer 'cause it just works
[19:37] <w30> well_laid_lawn, Parole works for everything but .swf so I was hoping for a one shot player *sigh*
[19:40] <w30> well_laid_lawn, I am on a new box, I have always had to have mplayer and mencoder for other uses  so I might as well default to mplayer.
[19:40] <well_laid_lawn> w30: it'll save some work ;)
[19:42] <w30> well_laid_lawn, A good way to speed Linux up is to edit /proc/cpuinfo, line 4 to read "model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz"  *ha*
[19:48] <lumio> ok I don't have a mouse
[20:16] <ubuntu> i installed debian on another partition. till the grub portion. when i boot up it says grub rescue>  how can i get xubuntu and debian to show up on my original xubuntu grub? im on a live disc rright now
[20:17] <ubuntu> did my  text get chopped?
[20:17] <holstein> !grub2
[20:18] <holstein> hmmm... interesting...
[20:18] <holstein> anyways... i would read the part about recovering from a live CD
[20:18] <holstein> recovering grub using a live CD
[20:19] <ubuntu> thanks, i tried to put debian on a  partition.
[20:20] <holstein> ubuntu: right... just recover grub from the live CD... GRUB will find all the OS's and boot them... you can try something like plop or gag too
[20:21] <ubuntu> should i do a  /boot next time?
[20:37] <w30> well_laid_lawn, thanks again, gotta go..
[21:20] <lighta> heya, does someone using netbeans here ? having some trouble lauching it sometime, it's like it's closing with no reason
[21:21] <GridCube> nop
[21:27] <lighta> sad =(
[21:39] <Crash_O-D> what can i use to decompile swf and recompile?
[21:43] <thirdy> hi, I'm planning to try out devilspie, however, I thought I would ask for an advise here first
[21:44] <thirdy> are there any other popular desktop customization software?
[21:52] <GridCube> i like using screenlets
[21:55] <ubuntu> what was the grub site again, it managed to get a grub but when i boot into my xubuntu it gets stuck at the bluebackground with that bar sliding side to side.... then nothing
[21:58] <GridCube> then grub has nothing to do
[21:58] <GridCube> check xorg
[22:00] <thirdy> GridCube, thanks, probably the better way of getting what I want
[22:00] <GridCube> :)
[22:06] <thirdy> GridCube, is there an option to embed it on the desktop? meaning it wont get minimized
[22:13] <GridCube> thirdy, http://imagebin.org/187961 see that last check  box? it should say something about the program deamon, uncheck it like mine
[22:15] <thirdy> GridCube, great, let you know once I finish installing. cool deskop btw
[22:16] <GridCube> thanks :)
[22:17] <GridCube> i changed the system font to the ubuntu one, it looks better in my opinion :P
[22:21] <thirdy> another question. I changed my computer's name by editing a config file I forgot about. now I'm getting "unable to resolve host <newhost name>". Luckily I got to fix this quickly by fixing /etc/hosts. Now I wonder are there any other gotchas I need to fix. hmm
[22:22] <GridCube> no idea
[22:24] <DaDaDosPrompt> yeah, you may have to change it with the hostname command itself
[22:24] <DaDaDosPrompt> I did that once myself, with the same result, and I feel as though I had to either alter more than one file or else alter a file and run a command
[22:25] <Myrtti> or change it in both /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[22:26] <Unit193> !hostname | Should have the info
[22:28] <DaDaDosPrompt> Anyone been having any issues with the unity-greeter crashing as of a recent update? I seem to be having that problem, but I can't isolate a cause in the Xorg logs.
[22:28] <GridCube> why do you have the unity greeter?
[22:28] <thirdy> etc/hosts & etc/hostname are the same, thanks, that's one successful fix :)
[22:28] <DaDaDosPrompt> I'm not even precisely sure why unity-greeter would be running on xubuntu, since it uses lightdm, though it seems as if lightdm's greeter is also crashing on boot
[22:28] <GridCube> O_o
[22:28] <DaDaDosPrompt> man, you got me
[22:29] <DaDaDosPrompt> want to see my boot chart?
[22:29] <DaDaDosPrompt> the behavior is completely ridiculous
[22:29] <GridCube> xubuntu uses the lightdm
[22:29] <GridCube> but we use our own greeter
[22:29] <GridCube> its not very pretty yet, but it will be
[22:30] <DaDaDosPrompt> http://9.tc/~murb/images/bootchart111209.gif the image is pretty large, but if you look at the CPU waveform and then scroll down until you see Xorg going berserk, you'll see both lightdm-greeter and unity-greeter crashing pretty quickly
[22:30] <DaDaDosPrompt> in older charts they seemed to run for much longer
[22:32] <DaDaDosPrompt> that little Xorg spasm has a strange appearance
[22:32] <DaDaDosPrompt> the monitors blink on for fractions of a second in some unknowable sequence as the X server tries and fails to start
[22:33] <DaDaDosPrompt> seems like it does that about 55 times or so, then fails over to what I'd guess are leftover plymouth screens, at which point I can login to another tty and startx from there
[22:34] <GridCube> DaDaDosPrompt, edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and change the last line to > greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[22:34] <DaDaDosPrompt> ah, it's set to unity-greeter for some reason
[22:35] <DaDaDosPrompt> must have been something with a package
[22:35] <GridCube> yep
[22:35] <DaDaDosPrompt> guess I should reboot and see what happens
[22:35] <DaDaDosPrompt> cripes, hope this fixes it
[22:36] <GridCube> :)
[22:36] <GridCube> good luck reboot and come back to tell us
[22:36] <GridCube> :D
[22:36] <DaDaDosPrompt> alrighty, rebooting
[22:37] <DaDaDosPrompt> sure hope it works. rebuilding this machine is pretty tough for other inscrutable reasons
[22:37] <DaDaDosPrompt> Probably my punishment for running a GPU that requires proprietary Catalyst drivers
[22:38] <DaDaDosPrompt> Hooray!
[22:38] <DaDaDosPrompt> GridCube, you are my hero!
[22:38] <DaDaDosPrompt> let's see if I can log in
[22:39] <DaDaDosPrompt> lost the cool bootscreen with the black background and the white dots, but it's a small price to pay
[22:39] <GridCube> yes, pretty lightdm greeter will come with PP
[22:40] <DaDaDosPrompt> Ok, looks like it's most of the way back. Just gotta figure out what killed my terminal transparency and things should be back to normal. Guess I'll type up some notes.
[22:41] <Sawkus> quick question about dual monitors, is there a way I can drag programs across monitors?  I suppose this might just mean disabling dragging across workspaces, which is fine for me
[22:42] <DaDaDosPrompt> Depends on your GPU. Does your Xorg.conf contain a line concerning "Virtual" ?
[22:42] <DaDaDosPrompt> What sort of GPU are you using, and which drivers?
[22:42] <GridCube> Sawkus, depends on how you set up your dual monitors
[22:43] <GridCube> if you just extend your desktop just move your windows
[22:43] <Sawkus> I'm using nvidia's drivers on an nvidia 240
[22:43] <DaDaDosPrompt> did you write your own Xorg.conf, or did the Nvidia tool do it?
[22:43] <Sawkus> I used nvidia's
[22:44] <DaDaDosPrompt> ok, run this and tell me if you get any output
[22:44] <Sawkus> I set up this second monitor (actually a tv) just a few minutes ago, so I haven't tried a lot
[22:44] <DaDaDosPrompt> grep -i virtual /etc/X11/xorg.conf; echo $?;
[22:44] <Sawkus> 1
[22:45] <Sawkus> 1 was the output
[22:46] <DaDaDosPrompt> ok
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> what that means is that it didn't find a "Virtual" line in your config file
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> can you take a screencap of your nvidia setup interface?
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> I don't have one in front of me on a multi-monitor rig.
[22:47] <Sawkus> sure, which part of it?
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> one dealing with multiple monitors
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> actually, let me go boot my Revo. It probably uses the same basic interface
[22:48] <DaDaDosPrompt> But on this rig, multiple monitors required that a "Virutal" variable be defined in the xorg.conf, which sets up a "virtual desktop" and specifies its dimensions
[22:48] <DaDaDosPrompt> and the multiple monitors represent what I would describe as "slices" of this desktop
[22:49] <DaDaDosPrompt> I believe that's an XRandR feature
[22:49] <DaDaDosPrompt> though it may also be Xinerama. I haven't been able to determine which it is from the docs I've found on the subject, and the best book on X11 doesn't seem to know about this stuff either.
[22:50] <Sawkus> I don't have xinerama enabled, should I click that box?
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> err, hold off
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> here's what's bugging me, and I apologize I can't offer more info on the subject
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> Xinerama, from what I can tell, is vastly outdated
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> the Xinerama main site, or what I took to be the main site, hasn't been updated in eons
[22:51] <Sawkus> ah
[22:51] <DaDaDosPrompt> I'd look for some other option, but you can try enabling it if you see nothing else
[22:51] <DaDaDosPrompt> I don't have it enabled on my AMD, and I'm rolling three monitors
[22:51] <DaDaDosPrompt> so my xorg.conf has a line reading "Virtual 4480 1920"
[22:52] <Sawkus> I mean the first thing I should probably try is disabling dragging across workspaces, right?  I can't find the option to do that
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> but that said, I don't trust the Catalyst Control center any further than I can throw it, and I can't throw it very far
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> disable it?
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> sounds like you want to enable it
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> have I misunderstood?
[22:52] <Sawkus> I think so, umm
[22:53] <Sawkus> dragging across workspaces meaning that as I drag a window across the left of my screen, it moves to workspace two, and if I drag it down, it goes to workspace three (I have 2x2)
[22:53] <DaDaDosPrompt> ooh, hm
[22:53] <DaDaDosPrompt> yeah, you can try that
[22:54] <DaDaDosPrompt> is that an option in the GPU config application?
[22:54] <DaDaDosPrompt> or is that a desktop manager option?
[22:54] <DaDaDosPrompt> if it's the latter, I'd bet that it won't help
[22:54] <GridCube> Sawkus, what if you just have 2 desktops?
[22:54] <GridCube> or just one?
[22:55] <Sawkus> I have four workspaces if that's what you mean, but I can select to "send to workspace x" or ctrl-alt down/up/left/right to move across workspaces
[22:55] <GridCube> yes
[22:55] <GridCube> but get just one and see if you can drag the windows to the other monitor
[22:56] <Sawkus> maybe I should specify, I have no problem dragging my mouse to the other monitor
[22:56] <Sawkus> and oh, thanks I misunderstood
[22:56] <Sawkus> no I can not
[22:57] <GridCube> Sawkus, install arandr
[22:57] <GridCube> and control the duality from there
[22:57] <GridCube> XD
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> what package does arandr correspond to?
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> also, hehe, fixed my terminal transparency
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> think I'm back in business
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> most excellent
[23:02] <Sawkus> arandr is it's own package
[23:03] <GridCube> yes
[23:03] <DaDaDosPrompt> ah. but is it specific to any particular GPU driver stack?
[23:03] <GridCube> no
[23:04] <GridCube> its a front end for randr
[23:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> oooh
[23:05] <Sawkus> a guide for randr said to edit xorg, but as to which one, here's my xconf:
[23:05] <Sawkus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/766390/
[23:06] <GridCube> oh...
[23:06] <Sawkus> ** sorry I mean but I'm not sure as to which line to edit
[23:06] <GridCube> you have two x instances
[23:07] <GridCube> screen0 and screen1
[23:07] <GridCube> i don't understand much of xorg
[23:07] <GridCube> but i guess arandr will help you
[23:08] <Sawkus> this probably means nothing but from arandr output:
[23:08] <Sawkus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/766390/
[23:08] <Sawkus> 'woosp
[23:08] <Sawkus> *woops I mean
[23:08] <Sawkus> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/screenlayout/xrandr.py:42: UserWarning: XRandR wrote to stderr, but did not report an error (Message was: 'xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default\n')
[23:08] <Sawkus>   warnings.warn("XRandR wrote to stderr, but did not report an error (Message was: %r)"%err)
[23:08] <GridCube> no idea sorry
[23:08] <GridCube> :(
[23:08] <Sawkus> okay, probably no big deal then
[23:09] <GridCube> someone smarter might help you
[23:10] <Sawkus> I'm really not sure what I'm looking at for xrandr, the monitor it shows is "Default"
[23:13] <Sawkus> is this what it should show?
[23:14] <GridCube> i guess so
[23:14] <Sawkus> and when I run it with the -q switch, it only shows one monitor as well
[23:16] <GridCube> Sawkus, take a screenshot of arandr please
[23:16] <GridCube> and pass it here
[23:16] <GridCube> !imagebin
[23:17] <Sawkus> actually, I didn't have twinview enabled in nvidia display config
[23:18] <GridCube> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors
[23:20] <Sawkus> when I switch to twinview, Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'DFP-0: nvidia-auto-select @1920x1080 +0+0, DFP-1: 1920x1080 @1920x1080 +1920+0' (Mode 3840x1080, id: 50) on X screen 0.
[23:22] <Crash_O-D> http://paste.ubuntu.com/766400/ errors when trying to make a file to install
[23:29] <Xenicide> Does anyone know what the boot options are during install?
[23:31] <Sawkus> gridcube: http://imagebin.org/187975
[23:31] <Sawkus> as you had asked
[23:31] <GridCube> D:
[23:32] <Sawkus> what am I doing wrong?
[23:32] <GridCube> you just have one screen there
[23:32] <GridCube> i don't know
[23:32] <GridCube> doesnt the link i pased you help?
[23:32] <GridCube> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors