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| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| benonsoftware | Hi all | 04:21 |
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| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| AlanBell | andyrock: does the fix for 855532 need testing in orca or have you done that already? | 12:17 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, hi | 12:20 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, i'm don't know if I've to add manually the accessibility support to it... | 12:21 |
| andyrock | btw it's a WIP | 12:22 |
| andyrock | and i can talk with an accessibility expert... | 12:22 |
| === andyrock is now known as andyrock|brb | ||
| AlanBell | andyrock|brb: if it is keyboard navigable and you can put focus on all the text (presume it is text and translateable) then it might just work | 12:24 |
| AlanBell | it is a particularly useful feature for screen reader users as everything needs to be keyboard navigable so a list of shortcuts is great. A mouse is a bit useless without being able to see where the pointer is. | 12:26 |
| andyrock|brb | AlanBell, it's not keyboard navigable (why it should?) | 12:27 |
| andyrock|brb | yes it is text | 12:27 |
| andyrock|brb | and is translateable | 12:27 |
| === andyrock|brb is now known as andyrock | ||
| andyrock | i can talk with a designer about this btw, but make it keyboard navigable can break the other shortucts | 12:29 |
| AlanBell | It doesn't have to be keyboard navigable, that just makes it a bit more discoverable | 12:29 |
| andyrock | we're going to show it during the super key pressing | 12:30 |
| === andyrock is now known as andyrock|lunch | ||
| AlanBell | so long hold of the super key and it pops up and stays there? | 12:31 |
| AlanBell | even when you let go of the super key? | 12:31 |
| AlanBell | unity is a bit rubbish about being navigable using the numberpad | 12:34 |
| AlanBell | andyrock|lunch: if you can help me get it installed I will try and use it with orca and see if there is any way to navigate to the text and read it | 12:46 |
| === andyrock|lunch is now known as andyrock | ||
| andyrock | AlanBell, ok now i'm available... | 12:58 |
| andyrock | first of all it's a WIP, so I'm not sure it will work well on you PC | 12:59 |
| andyrock | it has been tested on few computers | 12:59 |
| andyrock | btw... | 12:59 |
| andyrock | first of all you need nux 2.0 from trunk... | 12:59 |
| andyrock | so | 12:59 |
| andyrock | bzr branch lp:nux | 12:59 |
| andyrock | cd nux | 12:59 |
| andyrock | ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr | 13:00 |
| andyrock | make -j4 | 13:00 |
| andyrock | sudo make install | 13:00 |
| andyrock | then... | 13:00 |
| andyrock | bzr branch lp:~andyrock/unity/shortcut-hint | 13:02 |
| andyrock | cd shortcut-hint | 13:02 |
| andyrock | mkdir build | 13:02 |
| andyrock | cd build | 13:02 |
| andyrock | cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=local -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr | 13:03 |
| andyrock | make -j4 | 13:03 |
| andyrock | sudo make install | 13:03 |
| andyrock | then restart unity | 13:03 |
| andyrock | you can do it running: | 13:03 |
| andyrock | unity | 13:03 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, keep in mind that nux has not a good accesibility support | 13:07 |
| andyrock | and keep in mind that you cannot endable input support for the overlay | 13:08 |
| AlanBell | nux was a pile of fail, but actually unity 3d and 2d are fairly navigable | 13:13 |
| andyrock | i'm working on nux key navigation too, i'm going to add automated test in nux src | 13:15 |
| andyrock | and then i'm going to work on unity key navigation | 13:15 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, but in my opinion make the shortcut overlay keyboard navigable is a bad idea | 13:16 |
| AlanBell | it doesn't have to be keyboard navigable | 13:17 |
| AlanBell | just designing it to exclude screen readers is not good | 13:17 |
| andyrock | and because at the moment is has not a associated x input window | 13:18 |
| andyrock | it cannot receive mouse events... | 13:19 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, yeah, but i'm not a designer | 13:19 |
| andyrock | ;) | 13:19 |
| AlanBell | indeed, I understand that | 13:19 |
| AlanBell | I have been trying for a while to get the design team to include accessibility in the design phase | 13:20 |
| andyrock | for the screen readers we can create a real application | 13:20 |
| AlanBell | it just makes it many times harder to add accessibility afterwards than it does to not break it in the first place | 13:21 |
| andyrock | indeed | 13:21 |
| andyrock | if you add a comment on launchpad bug | 13:21 |
| AlanBell | will do | 13:22 |
| andyrock | tomorrow i can talk with a designer | 13:22 |
| andyrock | about it... | 13:22 |
| AlanBell | just getting the nux build dependencies now | 13:22 |
| andyrock | ok, let me know how does it work too | 13:23 |
| andyrock | which is the resolution of your monitor? | 13:23 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, ^^^ | 13:25 |
| AlanBell | 1280x1024 (or 2048x1152 or 1366x768 for my other screens) | 13:28 |
| andyrock | ok it should fit in all your screen | 13:29 |
| andyrock | i've not added multi monitor support yet | 13:30 |
| andyrock | i mean: there is the support | 13:30 |
| AlanBell | interesting to see google-test and google-mock as build dependencies of nux now | 13:30 |
| andyrock | but i've to add few lines of code in unityshell.cèè | 13:30 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, for precise every branch need an automated test | 13:31 |
| andyrock | *needs | 13:31 |
| andyrock | there is a test for the shortcuts overlay too.. | 13:32 |
| AlanBell | yay, ./configure worked, making it now | 13:33 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, thx for the comment | 13:41 |
| AlanBell | http://paste.ubuntu.com/766862 that doesn't look so good, compiling nux | 13:54 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, never got it... | 13:58 |
| AlanBell | making it again, I think it has got past that bit now | 13:59 |
| AlanBell | yay, built it and it runs | 15:56 |
| AlanBell | and yeah, don't think I am going to be able to read it with orca | 15:57 |
| AlanBell | no, that is a total fail with orca andyrock | 15:59 |
| AlanBell | focus remains on orca and I can't go looking for the text as I have the super key pressed down | 15:59 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, i think that we should provide another app for the screen reader | 16:01 |
| andyrock | *readers | 16:01 |
| AlanBell | TheMuso: what do you think about that ^^ | 16:02 |
| AlanBell | personally I think the desktop should be accessible as it is | 16:02 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: ^^ | 16:03 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, yeah but we cannot create an input window for the overlay otherwise we can break all the other shortcuts | 16:04 |
| andyrock | this is because we show it during the super key pressing... | 16:05 |
| AlanBell | yeah, the design concept is broken for non-visual users | 16:07 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, what's your solution? | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | punt it back to design as broken. | 16:12 |
| andyrock | AlanBell, i've spent a week to make it working quite fast :( | 16:13 |
| andyrock | ahahha :) | 16:13 |
| AlanBell | I don't know if there can be some orca script invoked to read the text of the overlay directly | 16:14 |
| paissad | hello guys, i would like to know how to create a launch icon in Unity for a specific application ? | 17:03 |
| paissad | i'm packaging an application, and i would like to add a quicklink to Unity | 17:04 |
| paissad | thanks | 17:04 |
| paissad | is there a tutorial for that ? | 17:07 |
| paissad | quicklist* | 17:13 |
| andyrock | paissad, hi | 17:23 |
| paissad | hi | 17:23 |
| andyrock | python? | 17:23 |
| paissad | not python, java | 17:25 |
| paissad | here is my desktop file http://zlin.dk/p/?ZGE1MTk1 | 17:25 |
| paissad | but i don't know why, i have nothing in my KDE menu | 17:25 |
| andyrock | paissad, you can add a static quicklist... | 17:25 |
| paissad | andyrock, i don't want to do a static quicklist since i have to add it to the packaging process | 17:26 |
| paissad | i'm currently reading this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/how-to-add-quicklists-for-opera-in-unity/ | 17:26 |
| andyrock | paissad, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Static_Quicklist_entries | 17:26 |
| andyrock | yeah if you write properly your desktop file you can easily add it to the packaging process | 17:27 |
| paissad | andyrock, i configured my desktop file like this http://zlin.dk/p/?YWEzZjM5 ... but i see nothing in Unity :/ | 18:09 |
| andyrock | paissad, you can't your icon at all or you can't see the quicklist? | 18:10 |
| paissad | andyrock, currently, i'm in KDE, i even don't have any icon of 'pms-linux' in the KDE menu .. when i switched to Unity-2D, i also don't see the icon , nor the quicklist of Unity | 18:11 |
| paissad | actually, i do see the icon 'pms-linux' only in Gnome Classic | 18:11 |
| paissad | i did not try with XFCE, but i don't care yet | 18:12 |
| paissad | i have my priorities ;) | 18:12 |
| andyrock | i'm not a .desktop files expert ;) | 18:12 |
| andyrock | btw it's Sunday | 18:13 |
| paissad | indeed, but i can participate/develop in the opensource projects only on week-ends ;) | 18:13 |
| andyrock | try to ask help tomorros | 18:13 |
| andyrock | *tomorrow | 18:13 |
| andyrock | try to ask on a mailing-list | 18:13 |
| andyrock | ;) | 18:13 |
| andyrock | htorque, hi | 19:44 |
| htorque | andyrock: hi :) | 19:46 |
| andyrock | htorque, can you make a quick test on unity? | 19:46 |
| andyrock | please... :) | 19:46 |
| htorque | sure | 19:46 |
| andyrock | open the home dash | 19:47 |
| andyrock | and try to use key navigation | 19:47 |
| andyrock | inside the shortcut home dash | 19:47 |
| andyrock | do key left and key up works? | 19:48 |
| andyrock | *work? | 19:48 |
| htorque | inside the eight icon screen? | 19:48 |
| andyrock | yeah | 19:49 |
| htorque | works here, but i'm not on trunk right now | 19:49 |
| htorque | should i test with trunk? | 19:49 |
| andyrock | don't worry... don't waste your time :) | 19:50 |
| htorque | building trunk is fun (as long as you get to see some surprises ;-)) | 19:51 |
| andyrock | as you want... but it should be not a crash | 19:53 |
| andyrock | do don't worry ;) | 19:53 |
| htorque | ;-) | 19:53 |
| andyrock | *should not be | 19:53 |
| andyrock | i'm writing automated test for key navigation | 19:54 |
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| Andy80 | one simple question: the shortcut to show the desktop changed from SUPER+D to CTRL+ALT+D or is it just my immagination :P ? | 23:08 |
| andyrock | Andy80, it's not you immagination ;) | 23:12 |
| andyrock | *your | 23:12 |
| Andy80 | andyrock: ah ok ^_^ and why this change? I'm pretty sure that until 11.10 RC1 it was still SUPER+D | 23:13 |
| andyrock | Andy80, no idea.... | 23:15 |
| andyrock | ;) | 23:15 |
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