[20:05] <tbruff13> can someone help me
[20:06] <tbruff13> I am making an edubuntu iso for my high school can i package KDE in edubuntu 10.04 without running into to many issues
[20:07] <tbruff13> also is there anyway i could make it so that teacher could choose a desktop environment and then remove the one they don't like without removing all programs that depend on it. for example lets says someone does not want KDE how can they remove that without removing all KDE programs like Kmplot
[20:16] <tbruff13> is anyone in this channel
[20:18] <alkisg> 24 persons, yeap
[20:47] <tbruff13> alkisg: can you help
[20:47] <tbruff13> me
[20:47] <tbruff13> also is there anyway i could make it so that teacher could choose a desktop environment and then remove the one they don't like without removing all programs that depend on it. for example lets says someone does not want KDE how can they remove that without removing all KDE programs like Kmplot
[20:47] <tbruff13> how can i do that
[20:48] <tbruff13> i just copied and pasted so it does not look right but i need to know
[20:51] <tbruff13> hello can anyone help me please
[20:54] <alkisg> tbruff13: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[20:54] <alkisg> That's how you remove KDE completely. Keep the packages you want, or reinstall them later.
[20:55] <alkisg> But that's unrelated to #edubuntu, you can ask in #ubuntu instead.
[20:55] <tbruff13> alkisg: also i need help
[20:56] <tbruff13> how would i remove Gnome environment but key kubuntu
[20:56] <tbruff13> i need to be able to let teachers do it both ways
[20:56] <alkisg> For that too, ask in #ubuntu
[20:57] <alkisg> Or read the link I posted above
[20:57] <tbruff13> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[20:57] <tbruff13> will that work
[20:57] <tbruff13> let me try it
[20:57] <tbruff13> I am running edubuntu in vbox so i can create a screenshot and then go back to it if i screw up
[20:57] <alkisg> But remember that there's no need to install all that just in order to remove it later on
[20:57] <alkisg> Either keep the desktop environments you want, and select them from the login screen,
[20:58] <alkisg> or use live CDs to see which suits you better, before installing it
[20:58] <tbruff13> alkisg: you are not getting it though i am creating this disc for my whole school
[20:58] <tbruff13> I don't know what other people will like so i have to give them a way to remove the one they don't like
[20:58] <alkisg> You're not getting it though, that's not the correct way to do it
[20:59] <alkisg> Giving the ability to add stuff is preferrable than the ability to remove stuff
[21:00] <tbruff13> alkisg: yeah but how am i supposed to tell them to add kubuntu when they have never tried it
[21:00] <tbruff13> you see how i am stuck
[21:00] <alkisg> That's what live CDs are for
[21:02] <tbruff13> alkisg: i am creating a live cd
[21:02] <tbruff13> for my school
[21:02] <tbruff13> they do not want to use the default oner
[21:02] <alkisg> Yes, I understand, many people do that here too. And I'm telling you that it's not the right way to do it, to add everything and tell them to remove stuff with a huge command line.
[21:03] <alkisg> But whatever suits you...
[21:03] <tbruff13> alkisg: i am not telling to remove with command line i am telling to remove with synaptic or software center
[21:03] <tbruff13> i am doing the best i can
[21:04] <alkisg> sudo apt-get --purge remove alacarte checkbox-gtk dcraw eog evince file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdebi gdm gdm-2.20 gedit gnome-about gnome-applets gnome-control-center gnome-icon-theme gnome-media gnome-menus gnome-nettool gnome-panel gnome-power-manager gnome-session gnome-session-canberra gnome-system-monitor gnome-system-tools gnome-terminal gnome-themes-selected gnome-themes-ubuntu gnome-utils gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-a
[21:04] <alkisg> ...I'm sure that didn't fit here
[21:04] <alkisg> You're telling them to remove 50 packages from synaptic?
[21:05] <tbruff13> i thought removing kubuntu-desktop would remove only the desktop and no dependencies
[21:05] <alkisg> Try reading the link I pasted
[21:05] <tbruff13> alkisg: what i am trying to do is give them a choice
[21:05] <tbruff13> i did read it
[21:05] <alkisg> Didn't you see the big command line there?
[21:06] <tbruff13> yeah i did
[21:06] <alkisg> Also, how are you planning to create the live cd?
[21:06] <tbruff13> i just thought that if they just removed the package kubuntu-desktop
[21:06] <tbruff13> with a program called aptoncd
[21:07] <alkisg> I don't think aptoncd creates live cds
[21:07] <alkisg> It just puts packages in CDs
[21:07] <tbruff13> alkisg: i am still working on this
[21:07] <tbruff13> I need a program that creates live CDs i am going to try aptoncd
[21:09] <alkisg> Well... you didn't select a correct way to try all this, but you do sound ethousiastic about it. Good luck.
[21:09] <tbruff13> alkisg: well im sorry
[21:09] <tbruff13> im doing what i can
[21:10] <alkisg> Yup. Go for it.
[21:10] <tbruff13> alkisg: if it doesn't work i fail my senior year in high school
[21:10] <alkisg> Why, is it a project?
[21:11] <tbruff13> alkisg: it is my senior project
[21:11] <tbruff13> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Project
[21:12] <alkisg> Gotcha... you might want to search something else than aptoncd though, it doesn't do what you want.
[21:13] <tbruff13> alkisg: will http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html work
[21:14] <alkisg> Remastersys is more close to what you're looking for, yes, it might work for you
[21:15] <tbruff13> alkisg: what about including both kubuntu and Gnome
[21:15] <tbruff13> and then making them both removeable
[21:15] <tbruff13> the issue is teacher want to be able to remove KDE with out removing KDE based programs like kmplot from Gnome
[21:15] <alkisg> tbruff13: I think your first question to yourself should be, "what am I trying to offer my users, that they can't already get from the existing live CDs"?
[21:16] <stgraber> tbruff13, alkisg: remastersys may do what you want, though the now recommended way of doing it is with ubuntu-defaults-image which is an official tool introduced in 11.10 that's used to build some of the official "custom" images like the Chinese remix
[21:16] <stgraber> though don't ask me about it, I never used it other than being in the session where its specifications have been discussed :)
[21:16] <alkisg> Hehe... /me will have a look in it, for 12.04 :)
[21:16] <tbruff13> alkisg: I am trying to offer a customized system with less bloat that is made for high school level
[21:16] <stgraber> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/ubuntu-defaults-image.1.html seems to be the closest thing to documentation I could find about it
[21:16] <alkisg> Less bloat == many desktop environments?
[21:17] <alkisg> And, how do you define "bloat"? What would you remove?
[21:17] <tbruff13> alkisg: i know but when i say less bloat i mean removing useless preschool packages
[21:17] <tbruff13> and adding things to make the switch easier
[21:18] <tbruff13> like ubuntu restricted extras
[21:18] <tbruff13> by default
[21:18] <tbruff13> stgraber: can i get it to work on 10.04
[21:19] <stgraber> tbruff13: maybe, I know it doesn't exist in 10.04 but that doesn't mean you can't get it to run on it. As I said, I never used it myself ;)
[21:19] <alkisg> You don't have permission to distribute some of those -extras though, would your teacher agree in illegal distribution?
[21:19] <stgraber> tbruff13: also, be careful about the legality of what you're doing, there's a good reason why we don't include ubuntu-restricted-extras by defualt
[21:20] <stgraber> *default
[21:20] <tbruff13> alkisg: i have handled the legal issues
[21:20] <tbruff13> with the companies
[21:20] <tbruff13> through emails and phone calls
[21:21] <tbruff13> all things installed in the package ubuntu-restricted-extras I can use as long as a present a copy of the EULA with the disc and I will
[21:22] <alkisg> I would find it more useful to install a system with all available DEs somewhere in the school, to offer anyone the ability to login via e.g. x2go (even from windows PCs), and when they find the desktop environment they like, they can just get/use its normal live CD.
[21:23] <tbruff13> alkisg: i thing what i am going to do is not include KDE, but put it in the notes on my project
[21:23] <tbruff13> and give instructions on how to get it
[21:24] <tbruff13> alkisg: can you give me instructions on how to do things your way
[21:24] <alkisg> tbruff13: my way is not to create a live cd :)
[21:25] <alkisg> I'm using a global repository for my schools, and package my "solutions" there
[21:25] <alkisg> But I may try that ubuntu-defaults-image in 12.04...
[21:25] <tbruff13> alkisg: it is to late to not create a live cd
[21:25] <tbruff13> It is already in my project paper that i will do so
[21:26] <alkisg> Read that page: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/ubuntu-defaults-template.1.html
[21:26] <alkisg> Packages, default applications, bookmarks, it's a long list
[21:26] <alkisg> You can probably use that.
[21:26] <tbruff13> alkisg: if i can figure out how
[21:27] <tbruff13> my mentor can help me do this
[21:28] <alkisg> This might help too (about the same method): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools
[21:31] <tbruff13> thanks
[21:35] <tbruff13> alkisg: is there anyway i can have teachers try kde over the internet like they can with edubuntu like weblive
[21:37] <tbruff13> alkisg: are you there
[21:41] <alkisg> tbruff13: yes, that's what I said above with x2go and nx
[21:41] <tbruff13> alkisg: okay let me check it out
[21:45] <tbruff13> alkisg: i have no server to work with
[21:46] <alkisg> That would be a problem. Any ordinary pc would do, ask your teacher/mentor if he can provide you with one.
[21:46] <tbruff13> hey alkisg could i run this in an Ubuntu Advantage cloud server
[21:46] <alkisg> No idea. Anyway, time to go. Good luck.
[21:46] <tbruff13> my school is going to buy Ubuntu Advantage
[21:46] <tbruff13> bye