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| astraljava | Okay, who's with me today for the Ubuntu Studio meeting? | 17:03 |
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| shnatsel | me | 17:10 |
| shnatsel | sorry for the lag | 17:11 |
| astraljava | No worries. Scott said he'd be here as well, but a bit late. Let's wait for him to arrive before we begin. | 17:11 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, here | 17:14 |
| astraljava | #startmeeting Ubuntu Studio contributors | 17:14 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sun Dec 11 17:14:47 2011 UTC. The chair is astraljava. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 17:14 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 17:14 |
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| astraljava | Hi all. | 17:14 |
| astraljava | Agenda for today can be found @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011December11 | 17:15 |
| astraljava | Let's get right down to it. | 17:15 |
| astraljava | #topic Old Business | 17:15 |
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| astraljava | I'm going through the subtopics, being the previous action items. | 17:16 |
| astraljava | Oh, and please when you give your status, add #info in front of it. | 17:16 |
| astraljava | #subtopic Scott email list regarding work flows: INPROCESS | 17:16 |
| scott-upstairs | this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in | 17:16 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | so leaving as 'inprocess' is good | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | dman, forgot the #info | 17:17 |
| astraljava | Just hit up arrow and home, then #info. | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | #INFO this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in | 17:18 |
| scott-upstairs | #INFO i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters | 17:18 |
| scott-upstairs | #INFO so leaving as 'inprocess' is good | 17:18 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:18 |
| shnatsel | hmm, never got that message I think... or missed it :( | 17:18 |
| astraljava | #subtopic Jon email list for separate meeting for work flows discussion: INPROCESS | 17:18 |
| astraljava | Jon isn't here, is he? | 17:18 |
| astraljava | Anyone know of the status of this? | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | jon emailed me direfctly to say he is busy with final in school | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | argh | 17:19 |
| astraljava | Ok, that's good enough. | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | #info jon is busy with schoolwork | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | #info but there will be some further cleanup required in the wiki once more information has come in | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:19 |
| astraljava | #subtopic stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website: TODO | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | #info this should be marked as 'DONE' as he did email the list | 17:20 |
| scott-upstairs | #info his final direction is to suggest that we include closed source/proprietary social media to reach a broader audience | 17:20 |
| scott-upstairs | #info i second his suggestion | 17:20 |
| astraljava | #action astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. | 17:20 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:20 |
| meetingology | ACTION: astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. | 17:20 |
| astraljava | Thanks, Scott. | 17:20 |
| scott-upstairs | aye ;) | 17:20 |
| astraljava | #subtopic Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later: TODO | 17:21 |
| astraljava | This should be marked as done, right? | 17:21 |
| scott-upstairs | i think so, but we haven't really lived up to it, have we? | 17:21 |
| astraljava | #action astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE | 17:21 |
| meetingology | ACTION: astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE | 17:21 |
| astraljava | No, we missed a few here in between. | 17:21 |
| * scott-upstairs purposefully didn't put #.info in there | 17:21 | |
| astraljava | But we did have that one informal there. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Let's try to get back on track, though I acknowledge the holidays are looming. | 17:22 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, is this one 'formal' or 'informal', i don't remember the order at the moment? | 17:22 |
| astraljava | This one is formal, as we're on this channel. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | We're having the informals on our own. | 17:22 |
| scott-upstairs | oh, yeah :P | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Okay, any other Old Business? | 17:22 |
| scott-upstairs | "holidays are looming", yes, even the -release team has canceled the two upcoming meetings as well | 17:23 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, just a minute, let me think | 17:23 |
| scott-upstairs | no, not that i can think of that isn't going to be in the blueprint discussion | 17:23 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:23 |
| astraljava | #topic Blueprints situation | 17:23 |
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| astraljava | As in agenda, the master blueprint can be found @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio | 17:24 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: You wanna lead this one? | 17:24 |
| scott-upstairs | absolutely | 17:24 |
| scott-upstairs | #topic new doc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-doc-improvements | 17:24 |
| scott-upstairs | we have completed this one as it stands | 17:25 |
| scott-upstairs | there will be further documentation done this cycle and certainly more later (especially the help.ubuntu.com pages) | 17:25 |
| scott-upstairs | #topic lowlatency blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency | 17:25 |
| scott-upstairs | this one is a little more interesting | 17:25 |
| scott-upstairs | we have been working with steve (from the kernel team) on some preliminary testing for the lowlatency kernel vs generic | 17:26 |
| scott-upstairs | objectively the results seem to support that the lowlatency kernel should perform perhaps an order of magnitude better than generic | 17:26 |
| scott-upstairs | but this hasn't been quantified at this point | 17:26 |
| scott-upstairs | i contacted steve about progressing getting the lowlatency kernel into the repos | 17:26 |
| scott-upstairs | he responded that we didn't need to wait on him, he will continue to test however, but we can package and push to REVU | 17:27 |
| scott-upstairs | after i get through the latest seeds updateing for theming i will work on this | 17:27 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:27 |
| shnatsel | scott-upstairs: btw were my seed docs of any use? | 17:28 |
| shnatsel | any help on seeds needed? | 17:28 |
| shnatsel | oh, sorry to interrupt... | 17:28 |
| scott-upstairs | shnatsel, i need to reread your doc again and i might need some help later | 17:28 |
| scott-upstairs | and no problem :) | 17:28 |
| scott-upstairs | #topic misc updates : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-misc-improvements | 17:28 |
| scott-upstairs | we will be completing the multi-head testing and documentation (really it is basically done, just need some review in the wiki) | 17:29 |
| scott-upstairs | we will be completing the xfce applications review as well when the seeds are updated | 17:29 |
| scott-upstairs | but this will leave the default jack settings todo | 17:29 |
| scott-upstairs | unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory | 17:30 |
| astraljava | o/ | 17:30 |
| scott-upstairs | but i will have time to work through this after some other things are completed | 17:30 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, ? | 17:30 |
| astraljava | Maybe some postinst rules would help in that? | 17:30 |
| astraljava | In any way, people over at -motu should be able to guide as there. | 17:31 |
| astraljava | .. | 17:31 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, i thought i have been told that it was bad form to touch the user's directory | 17:31 |
| scott-upstairs | i agree some help from -motu might be helpful | 17:31 |
| scott-upstairs | #topic update website: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-website | 17:31 |
| scott-upstairs | this is ongoing | 17:31 |
| scott-upstairs | i've spent a fair amount of time getting content in there and trying to adjust the formatting to look nice | 17:32 |
| scott-upstairs | although i haven't done anything this week, but plan to get back on it tonight | 17:32 |
| scott-upstairs | i really hope that within one to two weeks i can put this behind me and we can make adjustments later | 17:32 |
| scott-upstairs | one last outstanding issue is the social media inclusion, which i noted that stochastic made suggestions to include facebook, twitter, etc type social media | 17:33 |
| scott-upstairs | i will confer with knome to see what is available | 17:33 |
| scott-upstairs | we are still waiting for the RT ticket to pick up the website and put it into a staging site | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | "unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory" | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | I know | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | I know the way | 17:34 |
| scott-upstairs | oh yes? | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | isn't it /etc/skel ? | 17:34 |
| astraljava | Yes, but for existing users? | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | I did that too | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | if you need that | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | and even debugged that | 17:34 |
| shnatsel | and tested in a huge number of cases | 17:35 |
| shnatsel | including no users (cd remaster), etc | 17:35 |
| scott-upstairs | we can follow up with you, shnatsel, then for some advice later on | 17:35 |
| astraljava | #action scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home | 17:35 |
| meetingology | ACTION: scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home | 17:35 |
| scott-upstairs | although we will need to figure out which package this will need to go into at some point | 17:35 |
| scott-upstairs | can i move on to the next topic? | 17:36 |
| astraljava | You can, or I can. Either way. | 17:36 |
| scott-upstairs | #topic new theme/ui/etc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-theme-ui | 17:36 |
| astraljava | Are you done with the blueprints? | 17:36 |
| astraljava | Ahh... sorry. | 17:36 |
| scott-upstairs | this is what i'm currently working on today | 17:36 |
| scott-upstairs | basically i will be moving to xubuntu's structure for -default-settings and -artwork | 17:37 |
| scott-upstairs | this means we will remove some packages from the seeds (e.g. ubuntustudio-icon-theme and ubuntustudio-look) as these will be rolled into the -default-settings package | 17:37 |
| scott-upstairs | i had considered parsing the xubuntu settings out into our current packages but decided against it | 17:37 |
| scott-upstairs | aligning wiht the xubuntu structure will allow a smaller delta and hopefully keep maintenance and updating easier | 17:38 |
| scott-upstairs | i've also email a few lists and individuals about new artwork per shnatsel's suggestion | 17:38 |
| scott-upstairs | this would include new images for plymouth, lightdm, and wallpaper | 17:38 |
| scott-upstairs | hopefully with a more unified and consistent "theme" | 17:39 |
| scott-upstairs | i intend to push changes tonight and then ask for support to push to the repos | 17:39 |
| scott-upstairs | but i do fully expect numerous updates to tweak things during the next weeks or months | 17:39 |
| scott-upstairs | my goal is to have this done and resolved before alpha2 | 17:40 |
| scott-upstairs | #topic live dvd blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd | 17:40 |
| scott-upstairs | no movement really on this at this point | 17:40 |
| scott-upstairs | part of this is really waiting for input from others on work flows | 17:40 |
| scott-upstairs | although we may make some decision about general blocking of work flows | 17:41 |
| scott-upstairs | for example, a video-home and video-pro work flow | 17:41 |
| scott-upstairs | this would allow us to complete the metas for testing but not have the final packages in the meta | 17:41 |
| scott-upstairs | i would like to target this after the theme/ui and website stuff is done and in time for alpha3 | 17:42 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:42 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, i'm done | 17:42 |
| astraljava | Okay, thanks. | 17:42 |
| astraljava | #topic Bugs | 17:42 |
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| scott-upstairs | i should point out something | 17:42 |
| scott-upstairs | sorry to interrupt after i said i was done | 17:42 |
| astraljava | No worries. | 17:42 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm carrying a lot of stuff right now and i worry that if i get busy with work again or family that this will greatly retard my schedule | 17:43 |
| scott-upstairs | if anyone wants to pick up a specific topic and help that would awesomely and other superlatives great | 17:43 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:43 |
| astraljava | I am willing to work on the docs, but have a little bit of trouble committing to any particular task at the moment due to personal issues. | 17:44 |
| astraljava | But, such is life. | 17:44 |
| shnatsel | I might take up something, but I'll be busy during the coming month for sure | 17:44 |
| astraljava | .. | 17:44 |
| shnatsel | university exams | 17:44 |
| shnatsel | I just can't fail them | 17:44 |
| astraljava | Okay, bugs. I went through an awful lot of them. There's a list of them on the agenda. | 17:44 |
| astraljava | I'm not going to list them here. | 17:44 |
| astraljava | Maybe only the ones regarding Precise? | 17:44 |
| astraljava | Otherwise, I'd suggest everyone to go through them periodically, to shorten the list, and to gain some new respect for the project. | 17:45 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, great job on cleaning up the bugs btw | 17:45 |
| astraljava | We've not been doing so great on them lately. | 17:45 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: What do you say, Precise bugs? Should we go through them now? | 17:46 |
| scott-upstairs | some i think will be "fixed" by some updates in the menu that have already happened and by some things that will still happen after the theme/ui update | 17:46 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, sure, there isn't many are there? | 17:46 |
| astraljava | No, there are not many. | 17:46 |
| scott-upstairs | let's do it just to keep it in peoples minds | 17:46 |
| astraljava | #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/840144 | 17:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 840144 in Ubuntu Studio "Use recommends instead of depends in seeds" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:46 |
| scott-upstairs | that will be fixed during the livedvd blueprint | 17:46 |
| scott-upstairs | we will need to do this for the live dvd and was added by shnatsel just for this | 17:47 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:47 |
| astraljava | Good. Is it linked in the blueprint? Blueprint seems to be in the bug. | 17:47 |
| astraljava | .. | 17:47 |
| scott-upstairs | how do you do the task? | 17:47 |
| astraljava | I dunno. Want me to look into it? | 17:47 |
| scott-upstairs | #task scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint | 17:48 |
| astraljava | I think you need #action for that. | 17:48 |
| scott-upstairs | #action scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint | 17:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint | 17:48 |
| astraljava | There you go. | 17:48 |
| scott-upstairs | hehe | 17:48 |
| astraljava | #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/815101 | 17:48 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 815101 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] slowmovideo" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:48 |
| shnatsel | they're linked | 17:48 |
| scott-upstairs | i think this may be on a list that i speak with quadrispro and the debian multimedia team about packaging to get into ubuntu | 17:49 |
| shnatsel | oh yeah, slowmovideo is great | 17:49 |
| astraljava | Ok, so in progress then. | 17:49 |
| astraljava | #action astraljava to update bug #815101 status | 17:49 |
| meetingology | ACTION: astraljava to update bug #815101 status | 17:49 |
| scott-upstairs | if it wasn't in shnatel's list, it is now (as i've written it down on my pad of paper) | 17:49 |
| astraljava | #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892 | 17:49 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 695892 in Ubuntu Studio "no live CD for ubuntustudio" [Wishlist,New] | 17:49 |
| astraljava | Well, this one is a no-brainer. | 17:50 |
| scott-upstairs | hehe, i should add that one as well to the live dvd blueprint | 17:50 |
| * scott-upstairs is doing it now and notes that bug #840144 is now attached as well | 17:50 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 840144 in Ubuntu Studio "Use recommends instead of depends in seeds" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840144 | 17:50 |
| astraljava | Need an action for that? | 17:50 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, it's done now | 17:51 |
| astraljava | No need, then. | 17:51 |
| astraljava | Any other discussion relating bugs? | 17:51 |
| scott-upstairs | :) | 17:51 |
| scott-upstairs | none from me | 17:51 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:51 |
| astraljava | .. | 17:51 |
| astraljava | #topic Any Other Business | 17:51 |
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| astraljava | None from me. | 17:52 |
| scott-upstairs | i have something i'll mention | 17:52 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm working on a long term plan for ubuntu studio | 17:52 |
| scott-upstairs | i should be publishing something to the -devel mailing list within a month for review and comments | 17:52 |
| scott-upstairs | i would GREATLY appreciate comments, even detractions and criticisms as well | 17:52 |
| astraljava | Anything worth #info-ing now? | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | not yet | 17:53 |
| astraljava | .. | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | but the main thrust is that the long plan is to make ubuntu studio really prevalent and not just with linux audio geeks ;) | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | .. | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | oh | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | ah, nevermind | 17:53 |
| astraljava | #topic Next Meeting Time/Location | 17:54 |
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| astraljava | Next formal meeting, I doubt it. | 17:54 |
| astraljava | That's Xmas Day. :) | 17:54 |
| scott-upstairs | yeah, that's bad | 17:54 |
| astraljava | #action Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. | 17:54 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. | 17:54 |
| astraljava | What about informal? | 17:54 |
| scott-upstairs | i'll probably be around for a limited time for the informal one | 17:55 |
| scott-upstairs | "probably" | 17:55 |
| astraljava | Okay. We'll see how it goes. | 17:55 |
| scott-upstairs | what about alternating times? | 17:55 |
| scott-upstairs | did we every clear that up | 17:55 |
| astraljava | #info Next informal meeting on #ubuntustudio-devel on 18th of Dec. at 1700 UTC. | 17:55 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm not euro time zone so i don't know what other's needs are | 17:55 |
| astraljava | Oh, I never got any feedback to my email on that. | 17:56 |
| scott-upstairs | my feeling is that unless anyone suggests something then we keep proceeding as we have been | 17:56 |
| astraljava | So we're sticking to what we have now, or decide later if need be. | 17:56 |
| shnatsel | I'm fine with 17:00 UTC in my UTC+4, but who cares? | 17:56 |
| scott-upstairs | but we can keep asking people about it though | 17:56 |
| astraljava | Absolutely. | 17:56 |
| astraljava | #topic Next Meeting Chair | 17:57 |
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| astraljava | Volunteers? | 17:57 |
| shnatsel | we hold the meetings in elementary on saturdays 18:00 UTC ,seems to be fine | 17:57 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, i'd be happy to chair next meeting | 17:57 |
| astraljava | #action scott-upstairs to chair next meeting | 17:57 |
| meetingology | ACTION: scott-upstairs to chair next meeting | 17:57 |
| astraljava | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| scott-upstairs | meeting is done? | 17:57 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Sun Dec 11 17:57:59 2011 UTC. | 17:57 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-11-17.14.moin.txt | 17:57 |
| astraljava | Thanks all! | 17:58 |
| scott-upstairs | haha, thanks astraljava and shnatsel! | 17:58 |
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